From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #163 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, May 6 2002 Volume 02 : Number 163 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] On topic [me@justanotherfuckin.com] Re: [loud-fans] On topic [me@justanotherfuckin.com] [loud-fans] Linda Smith [Carolyn Dorsey ] Re: [loud-fans] recent 'PUTER purchases, briefly [triggercut ] Re: [loud-fans] worthy site [Dave Walker ] [loud-fans] Belle & Sebastian Live [DOUDIE@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Badu vs. Bad [timv@triad.rr.com] [loud-fans] email doubles... ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] Badu vs. Bad [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] recent 'PUTER purchases, briefly [Brisk14300@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] recent 'PUTER purchases, briefly ["me" ] [loud-fans] The Best Bootlegs in the World Ever [Carolyn Dorsey PS--On Linda Smith's Web page she lists Lolita Nation as one her all time > favorites, along with many other fab records > > http://www.homestead.com/preferencerecordings/Alltimefavoritealbumslist.html that's an interesting mix - there's some neat stuff there. who is Linda Smith? (i should know this, shouldn't i?) brianna ------------------------------ Date: 6 May 2002 00:52:51 -0700 From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] On topic Carolyn: > PS--On Linda Smith's Web page she lists Lolita Nation as one her all time > favorites, along with many other fab records > > http://www.homestead.com/preferencerecordings/Alltimefavoritealbumslist.html that's an interesting mix - there's some neat stuff there. who is Linda Smith? (i should know this, shouldn't i?) brianna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 07:23:51 -0700 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] Linda Smith She's a songwriter and singer from Baltimore. She has a record called Preference that is really good, from around 1997. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 08:21:04 -0500 From: triggercut Subject: Re: [loud-fans] recent 'PUTER purchases, briefly Sounds like a hoss of a machine. One thing you'll want to do when you can swing the dough--add some memory posthaste. It was true in 1980, it was true in 1990, and it remains a truism today: there is no more cost-effective way to dramatically improve a computer's performance than upgrading the RAM. DDRAM is expensive, but I can't imagine finding bliss working with less than 512 mb... me@justanotherfuckin.com wrote: > > hp pavilion 751n > pentium 4 > 80gb drive > 1.8gHz processor > 256mb ddr sdram > cd-rw, dvd > 17" flat screen monitor - hp pavilion mx75 > color printer - hp deskjet 920c > desk (the only thing NOT included in the package) > > sigh of relief - i can now REASONABLY work from home. > > freelance pay and bonuses came through!!!! > > bragging? of course! > > looking for input as to whether or not i bought a decent machine? absolutely! i have 14 days to change my mind. ok, 12. > > brianna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 09:40:14 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] dead horse needs beating |> We've been trying to persuade him for a couple of years |now...I don't |> think it's going to work. | |Geez, it's only a couple of years, though. It seems like a |long time to us, because we want more, but in the grand |scale, a couple of years goes by pretty fast, and isn't too |long for someone to just take a breather. Some people |"retire" from the music business for longer than that and |still come back. So, I'm not giving up on a possible return |of some sort yet. Let him charge his batteries up. | |Jen Right Jen. Another sentimental favorite of mine, Chris Stamey, is back out playing gain after a 7 year hiatus and has an album out on Yep Roc Records later this Summer, so there's always hope. And I will also add that Bobby Sutliff has released some fine home recorded albums of late. The next one, PERFECT DREAM, is fabulous. - -LT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 09:55:32 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] recent purchases, briefly Elvis Costello _When I Was Cruel_: Not as loud and fast as I'd hoped The first time through I was really disappointed for this very reason but its been growing on me more and more with each listen as I've learned to seperate the hype from the actual album. At this point I think the first third is spectacular ("45," "Tear Off Your Own Head," the title track) and the last third is almost as great ("Daddy Can I Turn This," "My Little Blue Window," "Radio Silence"), with a slow midsection ("Alibi" being the only other song that I think is nearly as strong as the others mentioned). Then again, I also like BRUTAL YOUTH (and ALL THIS USELESS BEAUTY, for that matter) just fine. Jer Care2 make the world greener! http://www.care2.com - Get your Free e-mail account that helps save Wildlife! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 14:02:38 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] Hollywood Ending (no spoilers that I'm aware of) Rather good, certainly better than 'Small Time Crooks'. You have to continue to buy the 'Woody as Leading Man capable of wooing attractive women young enough to be his daughter' thing (although he did do it real life). Tea Leoni should be on the big screen more often, you can't take your eyes off of her. The dialogue written for the Chinese interpreter was hilarious, although the 'Chinese' cameraman looked decidedly Japanese. Thanks to Woody for seeing value in so called 'washed up' actors. He again proves that good material can make anybody good (remember Alan Alda in 'Crimes and Misdemeanors'). In this one, George Hamilton. Only (slight) downside was Debra Messing, but considering the number of annoying actresses out there that could have been cast, and that her screen time is minimal, it doesn't spoil the overall effect. Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 10:06:30 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] dead horse needs beating |-----Original Message----- |From: Larry Tucker |Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:40 AM |To: sleeveless@citynet.net |Cc: Bucky...Firewoman...and John Cameron Swayze.... |Subject: RE: [loud-fans] dead horse needs beating | | ||> We've been trying to persuade him for a couple of years ||now...I don't ||> think it's going to work. || ||Geez, it's only a couple of years, though. It seems like a ||long time to us, because we want more, but in the grand ||scale, a couple of years goes by pretty fast, and isn't too ||long for someone to just take a breather. Some people ||"retire" from the music business for longer than that and ||still come back. So, I'm not giving up on a possible return ||of some sort yet. Let him charge his batteries up. || ||Jen | |Right Jen. Another sentimental favorite of mine, Chris Stamey, |is back out playing gain after a 7 year hiatus and has an |album out on Yep Roc Records later this Summer, so there's |always hope. And I will also add that Bobby Sutliff has |released some fine home recorded albums of late. The next one, |PERFECT DREAM, is fabulous. And I forgot to add that Mitch Easter has a new band called The Crackpots who debute this week in Raliegh opening for Ken Stringfellow. YEAH!! - -LT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 09:16:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] worthy site (apologies for crossposting, but...) www.saveinternetradio.org The URL's self-explanatory, i suppose - the gist is that Congress is poised to saddle internet radio with a downright confiscatory copyright scheme (note: on-air radio is exempt from such a requirement, the reasoning being that it's a promotional venue) that is all but certain to bankrupt 99% of existing internet radio outlets. The only ones that would be able to survive would be (surprise) those run by the very record companies to whom those fees would be paid... (Of course, non-US internet radio wouldn't have a problem here - yet another instance of shortsighted this bill is. Hey - maybe US internet radio can bring suit under NAFTA? (which I normally hate, but hey...) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Being young, carefree, having your whole life ahead of you, ::dancing the night away to celebrate... ::oh, and the untimely death of Jackson Pollock. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 11:15:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Walker Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worthy site To clarify a bit, this isn't a new law, it's in fact yet another piece of collateral damage from the utterly evil Digital Millennium Copyright Act, one of the worst laws Congress (as dictated by RIAA & MPAA lobbyists) has enacted in memory. The record industry lobbyists managed to get internet radio labeled as a form of digital distribution of perfect copies (utter hogwash), rather than what it really is: a pretty much 1:1 analogue of traditional terrrestrial broadcasting. The ruinous royalty rates spring from this central distortion of fact. We (meaning hobbyist internet broadcasters) have managed to get a few members of Congress on our side, most notably Rep. Rick Boucher, of Virginia. The best thing you can do as an individual is to contact your representative and ask them to support the letter (linked from http://www.house.gov/boucher/internet.htm) that has been sent to the Librarian of Congress. Apologies to those outside the US and to those who really do like Clear Channel... -d.w. proprietor, Freeform Goodness, genre-free internet radio http://www.live365.com/stations/20005 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 11:54:29 EDT From: DOUDIE@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Belle & Sebastian Live Wow. I had the priveledge of catching a rare Belle and Sebastian live show last night at Hammerstein Ballroom. I had seen them in a small church on the Lower East Side back in 1998, and they seemed like a bunch of kids who could barely play their instruments. That is no longer true. They cemented themselves as one of my favorite bands last night with a stunning performance. In addition to their eight member core, they had a four piece string section and a flute player. The songs were mostly re-arranged to suit this ensemble and many of them were more moving and inspiring than they are in recorded version, particularly the singles from their EP's. It was one of those shows where every song is magical. The audience was one of those audiences that makes you proud to be in New York. Five thousand people hanging on every word, loving every song and screaming their hearts out respectfully between songs. It was definitely surreal to see Belle and Sebastian playing in front of an audience that huge. The two new songs off their STORYTELLING soundtrack make me very excited for its impending release. Also, they did a pretty kicking version of Staying Alive, yeah I bet that is hard to picture, but Stuart Damon's falsetto was remarkably competent. I am not sure if this is part of a tour or not, but any NYC loudfans might want to consider going tonight to scalp (it is sold out). Steve Matrick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 13:03:39 -0400 From: timv@triad.rr.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Badu vs. Bad On 5 May 2002, at 16:14, Miles Goosens wrote: > >Miles, it seems that we disagree about just about everything. :-) > > Really? And I'm doing it without even being aware of what you like! Where > else have I been scoring high on the Vs. TimV scale lately? :-) Well overstated a bit for effect, and I haven't been posting that much here the last coupla years. But lately we've been on opposite sides of James Taylor, and That Conversation That Keeps Returning about what they call soft drinks in the south. I think you also recently ranked V-Roys/Commonweath Scott Miller ahead of Buddy & Julie. I don't dislike him in the least, but I definitely live in a Julie > Buddy > Scott kinda world. For that matter, while I don't have any Dave Matthews posters on my walls or own any of his associated product, he isn't the pariah for me that he seems to be to you. He strikes me as a modestly- able Peter Gabriel imitator with decent taste in producers--which I would happily do myself if only I had the talent to pull it off. Takes all kinds, Tim Victor timv@triad.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 10:59:08 -0700 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] email doubles... gah. sorry folks. when i hit reply all and dropped the sender's email, somehow i ended up with the loud fans addy in the cc field twice. duh. sorry. - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: Cc: ; Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] On topic > Carolyn: > > PS--On Linda Smith's Web page she lists Lolita Nation as one her all time > > favorites, along with many other fab records > > > > http://www.homestead.com/preferencerecordings/Alltimefavoritealbumslist.html > > that's an interesting mix - there's some neat stuff there. who is Linda Smith? (i should know this, shouldn't i?) > > brianna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 13:47:15 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Badu vs. Bad At 01:03 PM 5/6/2002 -0400, timv@triad.rr.com wrote: >On 5 May 2002, at 16:14, Miles Goosens wrote: >> >Miles, it seems that we disagree about just about everything. :-) >> >> Really? And I'm doing it without even being aware of what you like! Where >> else have I been scoring high on the Vs. TimV scale lately? :-) > >Well overstated a bit for effect, and I haven't been posting that much >here the last coupla years. But lately we've been on opposite sides >of James Taylor, We'll have to stay on the different sides of that. :-) >and That Conversation That Keeps Returning >about what they call soft drinks in the south. I think that all future recurrences of that discussion can safely be pointed to the amazing http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~almccon/pop_soda/ courtesy Michael Mitton, who sent the link to the list. I think we were both right on that one. Before the last go-round (just over a year ago), I had no idea that neither "pop" nor "Coke" were the champions of North Carolina before you and Larry Tucker mentioned it and the "Pop vs. Soda" map confirmed it -- looks like central N.C. is the southernmost bastion of "Soda"-dom, but "drink" may have a plurality overall, and definitely is in the majority the further east in the state you go. But most of the South is "Coke" country, and I think that the "Pop vs. Soda" map bears that out. >I think you also recently ranked V-Roys/Commonweath Scott Miller >ahead of Buddy & Julie. I don't dislike him in the least, but I >definitely live in a Julie > Buddy > Scott kinda world. Buddy and Julie I like quite a lot, but I find Scott far more compelling. Melissa, who likes Scott even more than I do (and you didn't think such a thing was possible!) and Buddy and Julie a bit less, says that her problem with B&J is that they still carry some of the Nashville studio musician smoothness and predictability, both musically and lyrically -- that when she hears one of their original songs, she can predict exactly where the chords are going and what the next rhyme is going to be. I hear what she's hearing, but I guess it bothers me less. For what it's worth, she readily acknowledges that Buddy is a mofo of a guitar player, and that Julie's voice is exquisite. But yeah, I like Scott a lot better. I don't know if it's the wild-eyed look in his eyes when he's performing, the exquisitely observed ballads ("Goodnight Loser," "Lie I Believe") juxtaposed with raucous blaring rockers that threaten to careen out of control ("Absolution," "Goddamn the Sun"), or the Appalachian homeboy factor -- how the intonation of his vocals and his word choices and the chords resonate with me in a very basic, almost instinctual way. Basically, Scott connects with me on levels that Buddy and Julie can't touch. >For that matter, while I don't have any Dave Matthews posters on >my walls or own any of his associated product, he isn't the pariah >for me that he seems to be to you. He strikes me as a modestly- >able Peter Gabriel imitator with decent taste in producers I never heard the PG influence until, um, whichever album has "Don't Drink the Water," which also makes able use of Alanis Morrissette -- and I don't know that anyone would have taken a bet on me liking a song that paired DM and Alanis! But yes, aside from a couple of songs on that album and the song "Crash," I have no use for Dave Matthews. >Takes all kinds, Vari-A-Tease is the Allspice of life. Or something like that. Klaw hammer of the Gods, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:57:29 EDT From: Brisk14300@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] recent 'PUTER purchases, briefly In a message dated 05/05/2002 11:30:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, me@justanotherfuckin.com writes: > looking for input as to whether or not i bought a decent machine? > absolutely! i have 14 days to change my mind. ok, 12. > > > > How much did you pay? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 12:14:01 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] recent 'PUTER purchases, briefly From: > > How much did you pay? > i got the whole package, incl. 17" flat screen and color printer, for $1149 after rebates. not too bad. but i just hit the HP.com site, and the same exact model, the 751n, has stuff mine doesn't, like 512 ram. what's up with that?!?!? - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 16:28:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: [loud-fans] Did you photograph the Loud Family in 1996? Hey, shutterbugs. Did anyone here take photographs of the LF at their Hotel Utah show in 1996, and then pass them along to Scott? If you were there, did you notice who was taking photos? - --Sue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:39:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Gabriel Subject: [loud-fans] Review: Larry Tucker's March Swap CD As most on the swap list know, a CD from Larry Tucker is always a special privilege. This is the second compilation I've received from his Chapel Hill manse and it is wonderful as always. Larry included all the album titles along with the song titles, so I won't have to repeatedly ask the ubiquitous, "This was sweeet! What album's it from?!" Tendor Idols "One More Life" This song's cadence and tone remind me of a rootsier version of Oasis. But I like this song and don't like Oasis. Very radio-friendly. Gem "I Today" Great math rock breakbeats add a unique flavor to the simple pop format. This spurred me on to find an MP3 sample on the Internet of the equally excellent "Many Fanged Breezes." Are these tracks representative of this band's sound? (If so, I'm buying the album!) Neidermeyer "Facing the Facts" Vocals are whiny and sneering which I usually view as positives. The album title is great too -- "For Those About to Pop". Fletcher Pratt "Spin Label" Brilliant, excellent, wonderful. Everything I hear from this band is outstanding. Do they have more than the "Nine by Nine" album? His chants of "two tries, two tries, two tries" reminds me a lot of GT's "The World's Easiest Job." The Soundtrack of Our Lives "Broken Imaginary Dream" I can't quite put my finger on how to describe this. Good, depressing lyrics (i.e., "you're such a lightweight after all"). A funereal organ and an orch pop feel. Vocalist reminds me of .... hmmmm, Andy Partidge a little. Maybe. The song intentionally falls apart at the end with a flurry of TV/radio recordings. Quite nice. Jump Little Children "Cathedrals" An absolutely gorgeous number. I discovered another wonderful MP3 sample on the Net, although I can't remember the name offhand. I'll be buying this CD the second I can find a copy out here in the Sonoran desert. Connells "Airlift" Along with Jimmy Eat World, I think the Connells have the record for appearing on the most Loud-Fans Swap CDs. This song is wonderful, as usual. The Church "Chromium" These guys really sound different. Of course, I haven't heard much of their music since "Under the Milky Way." Pretty good song. Monochrome Set "Karma Suture" An odd little number with echoey lead vox and cheesy keys. Entertaining. eels "Dog Faced Boy" Cool, aggressive number from this loud-fan favorite. One-stop shopping for the self-loathing auteur. Bandola "Defenceless" Pleasant little, new-wavey sound. Is this from the '80s or does it just sound like it? I really liked the weird breakdown into errant crystal radio signals. Chewy Marble "Down" This song also has a very '80s sound. I really like the chorused guitars at the start. Spike Priggen "Yesterday" Straight-forward American roots pop. Paul Chastain "Every Other Time" Ditto. This one sounds like it came off of vinyl. Rittenhouse Square "Gone Again" Very old-sounding recording. The extremely unpolished performance possesses its own charm. Steve Wynn "Draggin' the Line" I don't know much about Senor Wynn, putting me in a distinct minority of Loud Fans. I like this bluesy number, especially the goofy, faux -baritone call-and-response. The Flame "Make It Easy" Is this track off a Nuggets compilation or something - -- it sounds oooooo-old. Of course it still beats the pants off of 99.2% of today's radio playlists. White Stripes "I Can't Wait" This band is one of my favorite finds of the past year. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to miss them in concert later this month (grrrrr!). The Move "Lightning Never Strikes Twice" Another track from the pop archives. Of course when the sitar kicked in, my mind was filled with images of a dancing Austin Powers. David Kilgour "Today Is Gonna Be Mine" A charming piece of breezy, paisley pop with hopeful lyrics. "The day is gonna be mine.... I wrote my name across your sky" The Saints "Something Somewhere Sometime" Excellent pairing with the previous track. Thanks again Larry! Jon PS: I'm caught up with all my Swap Reviews!!! ===== 777777777777777777777777777777 JON GABRIEL mesa, arizona usa inkling communication + design 777777777777777777777777777777 Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 16:59:44 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Review: Larry Tucker's March Swap CD At 02:39 PM 5/6/2002 -0700, Jon Gabriel wrote: >Jump Little Children "Cathedrals" >An absolutely gorgeous number. I discovered another >wonderful MP3 sample on the Net, although I can't >remember the name offhand. I'll be buying this CD the >second I can find a copy out here in the Sonoran >desert. I absolutely loved "Cathedrals" too -- it's so gorgeous, I thought it might be a David Mead track the first couple of times I heard it on the radio. When I bought the CD, I was also glad to see Nashville's Brad Jones listed as the producer, as you can't get closer to a Seal of Pop Quality than having Brad's name on an album. And a few songs in, lo and behold, another song I'd heard and liked before, "Come Out Clean" (MAGAZINE's de facto title track), was on here. Unfortunately, I thought the other nine songs on the CD were highly derivative and rather boring. If I still have it and you can't find one under a longhorn's skull (or the buzzard beat you to it), I'll sell mine to you... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:15:57 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Review: Larry Tucker's March Swap CD Jon with no h's Jon: >Connells "Airlift" >Along with Jimmy Eat World, I think the Connells have >the record for appearing on the most Loud-Fans Swap >CDs. How about Sloan? Cotton Mather? >Spike Priggen "Yesterday" Hey I know that dude! No, really, he tends bar at my local dive, O'Connors. No, REALLY, really. Spike is a fine fellow: in addition to singlehandedly (unwittingly) launching the craze for cool divey bars on 5th Avenue in Park Slope, Spike is a former Dumptruck bassist (though who isn't?), roommate to Mark Spencer, personal friend of Bun E. Carlos, and fine musician as well. This is from THE VERY THING YOU TREASURE, produced by the slightly famous Adam "Red" Lasus. JS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 15:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] CD & Tape giveaway There's still some stuff left! In order to free up some space around the house, I'm offering to you fine folks on this list many bootleg cassette tapes and CDs. All you pay is postage (see chart below). Offer open to US residents & Canadians w/ US stamps or US currency only. The lists of available items: http://www.joescafe.com/giveaway-cds-update.htm http://www.joescafe.com/giveaway-tapes-update.htm Here's how it works: Email me off-list a list of what you want and where you live. Include title and format (tape or CD) for each item requested. If I have to ask questions about what you want and someone else asks for the same thing clearly, I'll give it to him/her. If two or more people want the same thing, the first person whose mail I get wins. When I get your list, I'll confirm it and tell you how much the postage will be. Send me the postage in stamps, your approved want list (best to print out a copy of the response from me), and your address, preferably on an adhesive label. I'll package your tapes &/or CDs and ship 'em to you. If you send me a list and I confirm it, I'll expect the stamps from you at most 7-10 days later. Please don't ask for tapes/CDs if you don't want them or don't want to pay for the postage. I'll try to contact you if I don't get your letter within 7-10 days. After that, the tapes you claimed go back on the market. If you have any questions, please email me. Enjoy, J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:45:54 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Steve's mix Steve H was cool enough to send me this delightful mix, called 24 Songs About 24 Women. The first thing I want to say about this is that it has great segues and great sequencing, always a plus for me with mix CD's. Some songs I'm going to review two at a time for various reasons. 1 The Nails, 88 lines about 44 women (great way to start here): I haven't heard this in years, and it still sounds pretty good. Nice early techno-pop, all spoken word, more politically incorrect than I remembered it to be, but I don't mind that. Are their albums still in print? 2 Tommy Keene Andrea: Again, I have to ask what is in print from him. I never thought of the name as a song, much less something as great as this. Cool pop, and no this doesn't describe me:-). 3 Beth Kiss: Havn't heard this in ages, and it's better than I remembered it to be. I'd never really been a Kiss fan until recently, and this makes me more of one. 4 Cara Lee, Chris Stamey: Loved it when I first heard it 10 years ago, and still do. Another gem from one of the masters of pop. 5 Christine Siouxie and the Banshees Another forgotten fave, and still scary. And good. 6 Windy The Association, Desiree The Left Bank: I only know the hits from these bands, and while I like TLB song a lot, I give the nod to Windy as this rocks. Any good comps from either where i could start with them. 7 Elizabeth Einstein Adam Schmitt: Sounds like a good lost Fleetwood Mac/Lindsey Buckingham song. Anything around from him, I wouldn't mind hearing more. 8 Giselle Stew, This is from his latest, and i do plan to buy it. Typicall from him, and that's one reason it's so good. Gloria Shadows Of Knight, was this band any good byond their hit? I like this song. My mom had a good laugh over this, she thought it was cool a song was written with her name as the title. 10 Jackie TNP, I like TNP a lot, but when it comes down to tracks, I'll play Mystery Hours or the title track, and kind of skip this one. It's not bad, which is to say it's a good song on a great album. 11 Judy Over The Rainbow The Orgone Box, who are these guys, and what do they have out. This is a real find. Very retro in all the right ways, mid 60s Beatles style, including a singer who sounds *a lot* like John lennon. Trippy as anything. 12 Karen The Go-Betweens, Tara Pursuit Of Happiness, I only know the *hits* as is the songs that made it here as airplay hits like I'm An adult Now. I was a little dissapointed by the TGB, which is why I give POH the nod, popier, and more fun. 13 Lola The Raincoats: at first I was put off by them deliberately sounding out of tune, but it grew on me. The last time I heard something this gender twisted (or gender fucked as it were) was Dar Williams When I was A Boy, not to mention the original verson of this song. I like this better than the Kinks version just because it's sung by women, which it's why it more gender twisted. 14 Julie Anne The Movie Stars, Bill Lloyd Lisa Anne, Sylvia Girls Say Yes, 3 songs that sound a lot alike to me, and I give Sylvia the nod becuase it's the most distinctive. These are good songs. 15 Mary Anne Marshall Crenshaw Another I haven't heard in a long time, and still great. Now I have to pick up the album this is on, this reminds me how good he was/is. 16 Rachel Duffy: Is this Steven 'Tin-Tin' Duffy? I know he'd put out a real pop album awhile back. Another find, cool pop. 18 Sarah Prince: Early Prince, and i like this better than what he's doing now. What album is this from? 19 Susan Aimee Mann: Hmmm can this really be the woman who sang Voices Carry back in the day:-)? Seriously this is one of the best songs from Bachelor #2 and just one of her best period. I love it live too, as she has done this on in concert. 20 Valleri Mitch Easter: I love Mitch, but this isn't the greatist cover I've heard from him. That's not to say it's bad, and Mitch being Mitch, he sounds fine, but I still kind of like the Monkees better. 24 Yasmine Circus Guy, another one I like, John is this available anywhere, I'd like to hear more of the band. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 21:06:02 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Steve's mix Andrea: >24 Yasmine Circus Guy, another one I like, John is this available anywhere, >I'd like to hear more of the band. Ooooh, I'm pretty sure you can find more if ya go here: http://www.circusguy.com/ There are definitely not enough pictures of me on the CD, but otherwise I guess I can recommend it... JS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 21:49:10 -0700 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] The Best Bootlegs in the World Ever By Freelance Hellraiser Smells Like Booty Destiny's Child Bootylicious with Nirvana Teen Spirit Go to this playlist and click on the blue number on the fourth one down. By Soulwax And listen to The Stooges with SaltnPepa-the 14th song down. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 21:51:13 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Review: Larry Tucker's March Swap CD Gem "I Today" Great math rock breakbeats add a unique flavor to the simple pop format. This spurred me on to find an MP3 sample on the Internet of the equally excellent "Many Fanged Breezes." Are these tracks representative of this band's sound? (If so, I'm buying the album!) *************** I think about anyone who's a GbV fan is gonna like this one. Doug Gillards songs tend to be in that GbV groove with that guitar sound and Tim Tobias' songs tend to be a little popppier. The one I included is Gillard's, the one you found is Tobias'. Who else but ana turned me on to this album. **************** Neidermeyer "Facing the Facts" Vocals are whiny and sneering which I usually view as positives. The album title is great too -- "For Those About to Pop". **************** This is from a friend of mine in Winston-Salems, Micahel Slawter's first album with this band. Essentially these are demos cut in a few days with the aid of W-S music store legend Sam Moss, who not only supplies guitars to Mr. Easter but alledgedly sold Peter Buck his first Rickenbacker. In Michael's favorite dream he'll be recording at the Fidelitorium next time around. **************** The Soundtrack of Our Lives "Broken Imaginary Dream" I can't quite put my finger on how to describe this. Good, depressing lyrics (i.e., "you're such a lightweight after all"). A funereal organ and an orch pop feel. Vocalist reminds me of .... hmmmm, Andy Partidge a little. Maybe. The song intentionally falls apart at the end with a flurry of TV/radio recordings. Quite nice. *************** I love this album. I also hear a little Barrett era Pink Floyd in this one. **************** Jump Little Children "Cathedrals" An absolutely gorgeous number. I discovered another wonderful MP3 sample on the Net, although I can't remember the name offhand. I'll be buying this CD the second I can find a copy out here in the Sonoran desert. *************** You really don't need the rest of the album. The rest of the songs don't come near to matching the beauty of this....which is a shame. *************** Bandola "Defenceless" Pleasant little, new-wavey sound. Is this from the '80s or does it just sound like it? I really liked the weird breakdown into errant crystal radio signals. ************** This is 80's. From an ep by Mark Bandola and one other member of the Lucy Show. Mitch Easter played on and recorded this ep. ************** Paul Chastain "Every Other Time" Ditto. This one sounds like it came off of vinyl. *************** Right again. Another vinyl only recording from his pre-Velvet Crush days ************** Rittenhouse Square "Gone Again" Very old-sounding recording. The extremely unpolished performance possesses its own charm. ************** Old yes, but the dated scratchy sound is due primarily to the poor quality of this extreme rarity. First recording I know of of Mitch Easter singing one of his own songs. This would have been recorded in the mid 70's as an early incarnation of Sneakers. I believe Chris Stamey and Peter Holsapple were also in the band. ************** The Flame "Make It Easy" Is this track off a Nuggets compilation or something - -- it sounds oooooo-old. Of course it still beats the pants off of 99.2% of today's radio playlists. ************* This dates back to 1970. Actually this song is from an date unknown to me rerelease. This was an added track from that album. The band included Ricky Fataar (pre-Rutles), Blondie Chaplain, and Jimmy Crespo (pre-Aerosmith) ************* Thanks again Larry! Jon PS: I'm caught up with all my Swap Reviews!!! **************** My pleasure Jon, though you're making me feel *real* guilty over how far behind in my reviews I am. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 21:56:03 -0700 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] Best Bootlegs sorry i forgot the link http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/3087 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 22:03:30 -0700 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] more freelance hellraiser The Strokes +Christine Aguilera Genie in a Bottle http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/2017 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 22:09:17 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Best Bootlegs sorry i forgot the link At 09:56 PM 5/6/2002 -0700, Carolyn Dorsey wrote: >http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/3087 This CD was mentioned in EW a couple weeks ago -- "Smells like Booty" and "No Fun/Push it" are even more brilliant thatn they sound like they would be. Anyone know an online source for the CD? I'm off to look at Forced Exposure's website. S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 21:40:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Review: Larry Tucker's March Swap CD On Mon, 6 May 2002, John Sharples wrote: > >Connells "Airlift" > >Along with Jimmy Eat World, I think the Connells have > >the record for appearing on the most Loud-Fans Swap > >CDs. > > How about Sloan? Cotton Mather? Too bad no one's troubled to keep track! (Unless Aaron Mandel did...) Hey John! Did you graduate yet? Or is that not for a few weeks yet? Does this mean yr gonna get a non.edu e-mail addy? - -j ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 16:47:42 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] more freelance hellraiser Carolyn Dorsey contributes: >http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/2017 Oh, that is pure bliss. Who the heck is Freelance Hellraiser? Did I delete e-mails too quickly today? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:50:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Review: Larry Tucker's March Swap CD On Mon, 6 May 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > >Along with Jimmy Eat World, I think the Connells have > > >the record for appearing on the most Loud-Fans Swap > > >CDs. > > > > How about Sloan? Cotton Mather? > > Too bad no one's troubled to keep track! (Unless Aaron Mandel did...) I haven't ( :p ) but Cotton Mather have a few years' lead on Jimmy Eat World, and I think Aimee Mann has even more of a lead than that. If I had to guess I'd assume she's the winner. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:52:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Best Bootlegs sorry i forgot the link On Mon, 6 May 2002, Stewart Mason wrote: > This CD was mentioned in EW a couple weeks ago -- "Smells like Booty" > and "No Fun/Push it" are even more brilliant thatn they sound like they > would be. Anyone know an online source for the CD? The disc was reportedly made by someone not associated with the bootleg-creators OR the original artists, and from the sound of it was mastered from mp3s pulled off the net. In other words, if you have a CD burner, there's no good reason to buy this thing; just go to www.base58.com and make your own. Soulwax (of "No Fun/Push It") are good with the rock/r&b mixes; see also their Cee-Lo vs. Survivor mix. And everyone loves the Freelance Hellraiser. loudfans may also be more likely than average to appreciate Girls On Top, whose four (I think) extant mixes use Kraftwerk, Tubeway Army, The Normal and first-album Human League as the backgrounds (versus Whitney Houston, Adina Howard, Missy Elliott and TLC, respectively). But my favorite bootleg so far may be the "Shadexy" mix by MKY, combining Eminem's new single with "Come On Eileen". Particularly of interest for those who like to think his homophobia is a reaction-formation thing; it brings out all kinds of nuances in his vocals. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:05:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Best Bootlegs sorry i forgot the link On Mon, 6 May 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > The disc was reportedly made by someone not associated with the > bootleg-creators OR the original artists, and from the sound of it was > mastered from mp3s pulled off the net. And by the way, a lot of these mixers are working on releasing "real" CDs, either with samples cleared, or with a much larger number of songs collaged in each track to reduce the Puff Daddy-ness of the appropriation. Rich X, the guy behind Girls On Top, has signed something Universal, IIRC. This is all based on reading boomselection.n3.net (includes links to files, but also includes lots of dross and chattiness; hard to catch up if you only check it occasionally). In case it's not obvious, I love this stuff. There seem to be three big aspects to it: - - Insurrection. Expression of frustration against the music industry and its products, scrawling mustaches on posters in the subway, that sort of thing. - - Perfection. Many of these mixes work better than the originals; Depeche Mode's "Just Can't Get Enough" is an unearthly good match for D12's "Purple Pills", but the latter crew could never *write* something like that for fear of tarnishing their image. The idea of being able to move a song around slightly on the music-map is very appealling to a tinkerer. - - Analysis. I'd call it analysis instead of commentary because the mixes have to speak for themselves; aspects of the source songs are brought to light in the mix, but it's hard for the mixer to focus your attention on something unless it's there to be focussed on. Thus, Eminem sounds fruity with Dexy's Midnight Runners behind him; Craig David sounds emotionless on top of Fischerspooner; Skee-Lo (who I called "Cee-Lo" in the last message - -- oops) sounds greedy fronting a hard rock band; change the backing tracks around and you might get amusing juxtapositions but I don't think the moods would sync up. So it's subjective to some degree whether a given track "works", but listening to a particularly appropriate mix is often like finding the right color swatch. Some things are too perfect. a ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #163 *******************************