From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #162 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, May 6 2002 Volume 02 : Number 162 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] "But why Peter Pan?" you ask... [jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu] Re: [loud-fans] Swap Review: Jeff B.'s "Superfan" ["Jeff Brenneman" ] [loud-fans] Spider-Man (Ebert's wrong) [jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu] [loud-fans] Badu vs. Bad [Miles Goosens ] [loud-fans] dead horse needs beating [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Badu vs. Bad [jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu] Re: [loud-fans] Badu vs. Bad [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Badu vs. Bad [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] Badu vs. Bad ["jer fairall" ] [loud-fans] recent purchases, briefly [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap Review: Jeff B.'s "Superfan" OK, Let me see if I can provide a little more info that you requested (although I was hoping someone more qualified would take the ball...) >Gruppo Sportivo - "Girls Never Know" & "I Shot My >Manager" > I *really* like these two selections. Toy keyboards >and a fun, poppy feel. Sounds like ? and the >Mysterions releasing an album for the Kindercore >label. The latter track is an appropriate >reinterpretation of the Bob Marley classic. More >information, please? Hailed The Netherlands premier new wave band of the 80's, they were primarily the work of songwriter Han Vandenburg. They released 7 or 8 albums. The cuts I included were from 10 Mistakes, which is the only record I'm familiar with. If you loved the 2 songs, you're sure to love all of 10 Mistakes. Sorry but I can't comment on their other works. I had a rough time tracking this CD, finally winning a bid for this import on EBAY. It looks like they have a webpage now at: http://www.grupposportivo.com/index.htm. >Mystery Machine - "Doubter" & "Fool" > As with the last band, I love the name. Very "up" >pop -- fun, light & youthful -- qualities the music >world can use much more of. You just can't be in a >crappy mood with these tunes on. Let me know more >about this band too, por favor. Yeah, I think you nailed it on the head with "you can't be in a crappy mood with these tunes on!" These two are from "Headfirst Into Everything." The entire CD is quality power pop IMO. They have 2 other CD's, that I know of, "Glazed" and "10 Speed." I own "Glazed" and although it's just alright, I rarely listen to it. I've never heard "10 Speed." I've seen all 3 in used quite often. Oh, I originally bought "Headfirst.." when I heard of their connection to fellow Canadians Grapes Of Wrath. >Remy Zero - "Hollow" & "Problem" > I recently saw a video by Remy Zero and was very >impressed. These two songs impress me further. Modern >sound with non-cliched touches of Pulp, Radiohead and >Revolver-era Beatles. Is all their stuff this good? I've only heard this CD "Villa Elaine," and yeah, the entire CD is great! >Grant Lee Phillips - "We All Get a Taste" & "Spring >Released" >The first song features my new favorite lyric, >"journalism broke that man" -- probably because I've >known so many who fit that description. Nice >electronic instrumentation and vocal style. I'm really >impressed with both of these tracks -- more info >please. The former lead singer of Grant Lee Buffalo. I can't be objective with anything he's done. I love it all!! He's released 2 solo CD's and 4 or 5 with Grant Lee Buffalo. His live performances are extremely entertaining. Back in the 80's Grant played with Shiva Burlesque who were label mates with the band I was in (White Glove Test.) We played a couple shows together and he was also great to watch. Catch him live if you can. Check out his page at: www.grantleephillips.com. >I'd love to get more info on the artists I mentioned! Jon, I hope the info I provided is helpful. I'm always afraid when I make mixes that there won't be anything new or intersting for the recipient. I'm certainly glad this wasn't the case this go-around. Take care! Jeff _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 19:38:53 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap Review: Jeff B.'s "Superfan" In a message dated 5/4/02 10:45:29 AM, wikiwiki27@hotmail.com writes: << >Gruppo Sportivo - "Girls Never Know" & "I Shot My >Manager... >> ....and then we discuss how little we know of these heroes of the Netherlands. There's a lot of Gruppo Sportivo to work through, but the band made it easier by releasing the "Married With Singles" comp a couple of years ago. The 24 tracks sum up the best of a spotty (and long) career. Add in 1997's "Second Life" live album (released in the U.S. on the fine Amsterdamned label), and you've pretty much got all the Gruppo you need...including those two aforementioned songs on the live album. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 20:14:05 -0700 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] On topic I just read this month's Ask Scott. I know a few people have discussed this before, maybe it was Dana-who gave the examples of artists like R Stevie Moore, Linda Smith, who have home produced such wonderful records. And I'm a fan of demo recordings of famous songs, I think many times the demos sound just as good if not more interesting than the final produced version. Although I'm not sure if demos are often recorded in an expensive studio-I'm sure they are produced in many ways. From a few things I've read, he just doesn't feel he could home produce anything to his liking. I beg to differ! I'm glad some of his live performances are being recorded. I know I've really enjoyed lots of the LF MP3s that Sue has been posting. I love hearing alot of the live covers he's done. And I'm not a musician and I know next to nothing about what it takes to make a song sound right-but I think there are other ways to continue to be a practicing artist and have a demanding full time job. (Or maybe he is continuing to be a practicing musician-just not a recording artist.) I do appreciate the time it would take though and there can come a point when there just isn't enough time. While I respect Scott's decision to do what he thinks is right for himself it appears to me that his burnout is from dealing with the management/business aspects of the music industry. His examples of things in the industry that seem to cause him horrible anxiety--dealing with egomaniacal managers, labels that dismiss his work, the pressure of reaching certain sales quotas, expensive studio time, complicated logistical scheduling, could be eliminated from his life if he dealt with management less and focused on a simpler approach to making music. I just can't believe that management, sales and market share have been such a huge motivation for him all these years. It just seems to me that he over complicates things. He certainly has a loyal audience. Carolyn PS--On Linda Smith's Web page she lists Lolita Nation as one her all time favorites, along with many other fab records http://www.homestead.com/preferencerecordings/Alltimefavoritealbumslist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 11:02:47 -0400 (EDT) From: jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu Subject: [loud-fans] Spider-Man (Ebert's wrong) Saw SPIDER-MAN last night. Loved it! Highly recommended. Like a really terrific indie movie with cool big-budget action sequences thrown in occasionally. . . . . SPIDEYSPOILER BELOW . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DON'T PEEK, CHEATERS! . . . . I usually agree with Roger Ebert but I think he's totally off base in his partial pan of SPIDEY. Proof that he (or his staff writer) was having a bad day and just not paying attention is the last paragraph of the review: "I have one question about the Peter Parker character: Does the movie go too far with his extreme social paralysis? Peter tells Mary Jane he just wants to be friends. "Only a friend?" she repeats. "That's all I have to give," he says. How so? Impotent? Spidey-sense has skewed his sexual instincts? Afraid his hands will get stuck?" Right before this scene, which I thought was achingly moving, Peter is seen at his uncle's grave, and he says in voice-over something like 'From this point on I know everyone I love in life is going to be dragged into all this danger.' THAT'S why he can't be with Kirsten Dunst, you dunce! It's the emotional masterstroke of the movie and, as if it had to, singlehandedly justifies the sequel(s). I hope they do a couple of sequels. Maguire and Dunst have amazing old-Hollywood energy and charisma going on here, and like I said, they have just begun to explore the complexities and conflicts of their relationship. Whew! Great stuff! Two thumbs up (my butt) - ------------------------------------------------- BROOKLYN LAW SCHOOL WEBMAIL: info.brooklaw.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 00:37:18 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Badu vs. Bad Just back in the door from tonight's Nashville River Stages shows.... excellent performances from No Doubt, Erykah Badu (!!! super! had no idea she was that great live!), and Garbage, but I have to get this off my chest: John Mayer is the most boring thing I've ever seen. He'd also be the worst thing if I hadn't had the extreme displeasure of seeing Freud's Mom and Bonepony. He is the James Taylor for the Dave Matthews generation. His marketing slogan should be "Want to like Dave Matthews but think that he rocks too hard? Have we got a guy for you!" He did a song about 1983 where at one point he tried to sing every song from 1983. The song was *longer* than 1983. Run, don't walk -- away from any performance of his, as fast as your legs will carry you. Somehow he ended up further up the bill than Garbage. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 23:32:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] dead horse needs beating On Sat, 4 May 2002, Carolyn Dorsey wrote: > While I respect Scott's decision to do what he thinks is right for > himself it appears to me that his burnout is from dealing with the > management/business aspects of the music industry. His examples of > things in the industry that seem to cause him horrible anxiety--dealing > with egomaniacal managers, labels that dismiss his work, the pressure of > reaching certain sales quotas, expensive studio time, complicated > logistical scheduling, could be eliminated from his life if he dealt > with management less and focused on a simpler approach to making music. > I just can't believe that management, sales and market share have been > such a huge motivation for him all these years. It just seems to me > that he over complicates things. I don't think it's so much that those things were motivations for him as their necessity became impediments for him. What Scott's position seems to boil down to, as far as I can tell, is: he does not want to be in the position of pushing his music in the faces of people who aren't interested in it. But in order to make the kind of music he makes (or at least has made), economies of scale require that such "pushing" occur. In other words, he's moved from "all I want is one" ("Throwing the Election") to "I won't go knocking doors to find out/How many tickets to me I can sell" ("I'm Not Really a Spring"). So either he reconciles himself to this inevitable pushing (somewhat metaphysical, from his perspective: he's not going to be the one knocking on doors), he changes his notion of what kind of music he wants to make (lower-scale, lower-tech, less band involvement) - or he stays "retired." We've been trying to persuade him for a couple of years now...I don't think it's going to work. Although perhaps a signed petition from 100,000 people might work... I could imagine his career proceeding in small steps from here, more or less by acclamation, at lower scale: if a club owner *asks* him to play a small acoustic gig, and the crowd is large enough to justify everyone's time, perhaps that would happen again. (It has, though, hasn't it?) But I can understand not wanting to attempt the band thing again: I am imagining it's a logistical nightmare enough when you're 24 - but when you're 42, and band members have careers, spouses, children? I do wonder, though, whether he's not still sitting around his living room with a guitar, or scribbling up lyrical ideas...it *would* seem strange if he'd just stopped writing. (Although with no particular prospect of such work leading to anything, I suppose not that strange.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"am I being self-referential?":: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 13:06:02 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dead horse needs beating Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > I don't think it's so much that those things were motivations for him as > their necessity became impediments for him. That's what I think, too. > We've been trying to persuade him for a couple of years now...I don't > think it's going to work. Geez, it's only a couple of years, though. It seems like a long time to us, because we want more, but in the grand scale, a couple of years goes by pretty fast, and isn't too long for someone to just take a breather. Some people "retire" from the music business for longer than that and still come back. So, I'm not giving up on a possible return of some sort yet. Let him charge his batteries up. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 15:02:52 -0400 From: timv@triad.rr.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Badu vs. Bad On 5 May 2002, at 0:37, Miles Goosens wrote: > John Mayer is the most boring thing I've ever seen. He'd also be the worst > thing if I hadn't had the extreme displeasure of seeing Freud's Mom and > Bonepony. He is the James Taylor for the Dave Matthews generation. His > marketing slogan should be "Want to like Dave Matthews but think that he > rocks too hard? Have we got a guy for you!" Miles, it seems that we disagree about just about everything. :-) Actually I haven't seen him play so I can't comment on his live show but I like the album and think he shows a lot of promise for a young guy. Maybe true though that if you don't like James Taylor then you won't like what Mayer's offering either. I freely concede that he isn't gonna do a bunch of rock 'n' roll ass-kicking. As I'm sure he would too. But he's a fine melody writer to my ears, working some ground that hasn't gotten much work lately. Please tell me that you despise Norah Jones too! Tim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 15:02:52 -0400 From: timv@triad.rr.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] dead horse needs beating On 4 May 2002, at 23:32, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I do wonder, though, whether he's not still sitting around his living room > with a guitar, or scribbling up lyrical ideas...it *would* seem strange if > he'd just stopped writing. (Although with no particular prospect of such > work leading to anything, I suppose not that strange.) That sounds a little like the whimsical test suggested for anyone thinking about making a career as a poet, painter, writer, or any other sort of creative artist: if you find that you actually can live without doing it, then you're probably not cut out for the work. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 15:07:21 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Badu vs. Bad At 12:37 AM 5/5/2002 -0500, Miles Goosens wrote: >John Mayer is the most boring thing I've ever seen...He is the James >Taylor for the Dave Matthews generation...Run, don't walk -- away from any >performance of his, as fast as your legs will carry you. Geez, you sound like me now. Haven't seen him live, but that song about "There's no such thing as the real world" is amazingly annoying. MB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 15:17:10 -0400 (EDT) From: jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Badu vs. Bad Quoting Michael Bowen : > Geez, you sound like me now. > Haven't seen him live, but that song about "There's no such thing as the > real world" is amazingly annoying. "Welcome to the real world", she said to me Condescendingly Take a seat Take your life Plot it out in black and white Well I never lived the dreams of the prom kings And the drama queens I'd like to think the best of me Is still hiding Up my sleeve They love to tell you Stay inside the lines But something's better On the other side I wanna run through the halls of my high school I wanna scream at the Top of my lungs I just found out there's no such thing as the real world Just a lie you've got to rise above So the good boys and girls take the so called right track Faded white hats Grabbing credits Maybe transfers They read all the books but they can't find the answers And all of our parents They're getting older I wonder if they've wished for anything better While in their memories Tiny tragedies They love to tell you Stay inside the lines But something's better On the other side I wanna run through the halls of my high school I wanna scream at the Top of my lungs I just found out there's no such thing as the real world Just a lie you got to rise above I am invincible As long as I'm alive I wanna run through the halls of my high school I wanna scream at the Top of my lungs I just found out there's no such thing as the real world Just a lie you've got to rise above I just can't wait til my 10 year reunion I'm gonna bust down the double doors And when I stand on these tables before you You will know what all this time was for ~John Mayer - ------------------------------------------------- BROOKLYN LAW SCHOOL WEBMAIL: info.brooklaw.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 16:14:26 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Badu vs. Bad At 03:02 PM 5/5/2002 -0400, timv@triad.rr.com wrote: >On 5 May 2002, at 0:37, Miles Goosens wrote: > >> John Mayer is the most boring thing I've ever seen. He'd also be the worst >> thing if I hadn't had the extreme displeasure of seeing Freud's Mom and >> Bonepony. He is the James Taylor for the Dave Matthews generation. His >> marketing slogan should be "Want to like Dave Matthews but think that he >> rocks too hard? Have we got a guy for you!" > >Miles, it seems that we disagree about just about everything. :-) Really? And I'm doing it without even being aware of what you like! Where else have I been scoring high on the Vs. TimV scale lately? :-) >Maybe true though that if you don't like James Taylor then you >won't like what Mayer's offering either. I freely concede that he >isn't gonna do a bunch of rock 'n' roll ass-kicking. As I'm sure >he would too. But he's a fine melody writer to my ears, working >some ground that hasn't gotten much work lately. I don't require rock 'n' roll ass-kicking, though I'm generally in favor of it, or at least the capability of it. But anyway, Mayer has an uncanny vocal similarity to Dave Matthews, though I don't sense that he's deliberately aping DM -- I think that's just how Mayer's voice comes out when he sings. And to my ears, he sounds exactly how James Taylor might sound were he coming of age in today's popular music milieu -- the songs have that same sort of internally-focused personal revelation narratives and acoustic contemplativeness that characterize a lot of Taylor's music, but filtered through a Matthews/Phish sensibility where stretching each song into a six to ten minute jam is a natural thing. Unfortunately, it's a marriage of two things that get on my last nerve. :-) >Please tell me that you despise Norah Jones too! I've not heard anything by her. With those looks, I could forgive a lot, even though I suspect I'll never be buying her records. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 18:28:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Badu vs. Bad > Miles and Tim fight about John Mayer I guess I stand somewhere in between Miles and Tim here. I don't think there's anything wrong with "Room for Squares" except the fact that it's very generic. In The Oregonians review, which was fairly positive, they said something like "Must Hear Tracks: It doesn't matter, because they're all pretty much indistinguishable from each other." And that's the criticism I would make--there's nothing distinctive from track to track, and there's nothing distinctive about the album. While listening to the album with the friend who introduced me to him, she said, "How can you not like this?!!!" Although I never said I didn't like it, it's the perfect question to explain why I wasn't excited about it. That said, there are still some nice songs on there, and yeah, some good melodies. If I don't get excited about it, I also don't get annoyed. It's a pretty good bowl of chicken soup. I also think he has potential once he stops trying so hard to be so pleasing. He did go to Berklee school of music, so he's not a chump. But he is still immature. I think, though, that the similarities between Mayer and Matthews are more than coincidence since they do use the same producer. - --Michael http://www.filmatters.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 17:56:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] convening the technical advisory committee once more Question re xferring noise from tape or LP to CD-R: I've got the hookup, and it works...but frequently I have a problem where my computer's recording software doesn't seem to "track" the song: time gets distorted, little milliseconds get dropped out, etc., leaving a glitchy mess as the final .wav file. How can I correct this? I've tried recording immediately after defragging, so that shouldn't be it. (FWIW: Win982E, w/approx. 3500MB space to record in according to Exact Audio Copy, one of two applications I have that record .wav files. The other is the editing function that comes w/Nero Burning Rom - doesn't seem to make any particular difference which one I use.) Offlist, unless you think there's general interest. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 21:25:19 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] chat, anyone? After much effort to get connected, I am now sitting all by my lonesome in IRC dal.net #loudfans. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 22:26:13 -0300 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Badu vs. Bad Miles says: John Mayer is the most boring thing I've ever seen...His marketing slogan should be "Want to like Dave Matthews but think that he rocks too hard? Have we got a guy for you!" At which point you will then have to further clarify between him and Five For Fighting. Jer ps - where are all the chatters? Jen and I are still hanging around, if anyone's interested. Care2 make the world greener! http://www.care2.com - Get your Free e-mail account that helps save Wildlife! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 22:54:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] recent purchases, briefly Elvis Costello _When I Was Cruel_: Not as loud and fast as I'd hoped - on first listen the title track seemed eight minutes too long (it's about six minutes long total), and following it wiht another slowish, languid number seemed a mistake. However: several other tracks immediately leapt into my memory rather like cute puppies but with sharp teeth and a threatening gleam in their eyes ("45," "Tear Off Your Own Head," "My Blue Window" - titles from memory, so if they're slightly inaccurate, don't kill me), and the less *instantly* memorable songs have become interesting...and now the title track seems just the right length. In other words, I like it a lot, and while the "Elvis returns to snarly punk rock!" angle is oversold, it's a fine album. Sharples will probably think it's too much like _Brutal Youth_ and not enough like _Spike_, though (I'd love to be wrong, hwoever). Harvey Danger _King James Version_: Found this - along with Eliza Carthy's _Angels and Cigarettes_ (or is the other way 'round?) and _Sweet Relief II_ (the Vic Chesnutt album) for $4 each at the university's bookstore, which is eliminating CDs from its stock. The other two are pretty good (vagueness intended) - but this is a find. Y'know, I rather liked "Flagpole Sitta" from the band's first album - but it seemed the kind of catchy, smarmy, smart-ass song that makes a great single but suggests that an entire album would be wearying and devaluing of the single's worth (sort of like how I feel about David Lowery and Cracker), so I never picked up the full-length. I vaguely recall reading some fairly laudatory reviews of a recent Harvey Danger album - but at the time I picked this up, I didn't know whether it was this album (with a 2000 release date) or another, more recnet one. (IT wasn't - there is no more recent one, at least not according to Stephen Thomas "Rectal Plug" Erlewine's All Music Guide.) I'll be getting it now: this one simultaneously kicks butt, sinks hooks deep, and is clever without being smarmy...as well as having a cou0ple of quieter tracks, one of which manages to be simultaneously snarky, lovelorn, and endearing with the line "maybe we could start a repertory movie house" (paraphrased). Pedro the Lion _Control_: glenn raved about this one briefly the other day, and he'll probably have a full-dress review of it in a week or so - but meanwhile, I'll second that rave. David Bazan (who basically is PtL...and is a Christian, which makes me just now wonder if those initials are a coincidence) has a kind of sad-sack voice that makes even a song about sexual ecstasy sound gloomy (of course, it is: it's really about infidelity) and as a lyricist falls into a category very rare for me: the kind who makes me put down my book, or stop doing whatever else I'm doing, and actually pay attention to what he's saying. The aforementioned infidelity song ("Rapture") is one of the few on the album that mentions Jesus' name...but the context in which it does so gains quite a bit of depth and emotional resonance from both the situation of its utterance and our awareness of the singer's beliefs. Oh, and then there's the track about acclimating children to the taste of "corporate cum." (Very minor complaint: a little more rhythmic variety in his guitar playing would be nice - too much steady eighth notes. But I'll forgive that - everything else is compelling.) Brendan Benson _Lapalco_: I like...but on two listens so far, I'm not wholly persuaded by this. For some reason, it seems like _One Mississippi_ had more personality; this seems a little less distinctive. I suspect, though, it will grow on me. Pere Ubu _St Arkansas_: Preliminary report: the better David Thomas learns to sing (his voice could almost not clear a room these days), the less compelling their music. I'm willing to be almost completely wrong on this, after only two listens...but it didn't grab me in any particular way so far. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ ------------------------------ Date: 5 May 2002 23:29:33 -0700 From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: [loud-fans] recent 'PUTER purchases, briefly hp pavilion 751n pentium 4 80gb drive 1.8gHz processor 256mb ddr sdram cd-rw, dvd 17" flat screen monitor - hp pavilion mx75 color printer - hp deskjet 920c desk (the only thing NOT included in the package) sigh of relief - i can now REASONABLY work from home. freelance pay and bonuses came through!!!! bragging? of course! looking for input as to whether or not i bought a decent machine? absolutely! i have 14 days to change my mind. ok, 12. brianna ------------------------------ Date: 5 May 2002 23:29:33 -0700 From: me@justanotherfuckin.com Subject: [loud-fans] recent 'PUTER purchases, briefly hp pavilion 751n pentium 4 80gb drive 1.8gHz processor 256mb ddr sdram cd-rw, dvd 17" flat screen monitor - hp pavilion mx75 color printer - hp deskjet 920c desk (the only thing NOT included in the package) sigh of relief - i can now REASONABLY work from home. freelance pay and bonuses came through!!!! bragging? of course! looking for input as to whether or not i bought a decent machine? absolutely! i have 14 days to change my mind. ok, 12. brianna ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #162 *******************************