From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #146 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, April 23 2002 Volume 02 : Number 146 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Pathetic, Pedantic Turbochains [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey] [loud-fans] RE: parodies ["Brett Milano" ] Re: [loud-fans] RE: parodies [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] RE: parodies ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] Swap Review: Jeff B.'s "Superfan" [Jon Gabriel ] [loud-fans] Costello & Nieve ["jer fairall" ] Re: [loud-fans] O Oracle, Where Art Thou? [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] the anton show... ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] [loud-fans] Just for kicks, something on-topic [Elizabeth Brion ] Re: [loud-fans] Just for kicks, something on-topic [jenny grover ] Re: (no longer on-topic) Re: [loud-fans] Just for kicks, somethingon-topic [jenny grover ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 07:51:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Pathetic, Pedantic Turbochains On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > Is there any special permission needed to do Weird Al-type song > parodies? There was another infamous bit in the seventies where Led > Zeppelin manager Peter Grant used his industry muscle to stop the > release of "Stairway to Gilligan's Isle" by Roger and the Goosebumps. > That should've been perfectly legal, as long as Little Roger & Co. paid > their song royalties! Dunno - but some rights regarding parody were upheld in the decision concerning 2 Live Crew's adaptation of "Oh! Pretty Woman" (if I'm remembering the details correctly). I'm not sure, but I think the decision followed along the lines of "public figure" doctrine: the song is, essentially, a public figure and is able to parodied w/o interference, so long as credit is given for the original song. (Someone who actually knows something about this one should correct my vague memories...) Something's trying to eat me in the dark... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:32:07 -0400 From: "Brett Milano" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: parodies ....Is there any special permission needed to do Weird Al-type song parodies? I believe there is...That's why Weird Al's finest moment, "It's Still Billy Joel to Me," was never released. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:53:32 -0400 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: parodies At 10:32 AM 4/22/2002 -0400, Brett Milano wrote: >....Is there any special permission needed to do Weird Al-type song >parodies? > > >I believe there is...That's why Weird Al's finest moment, "It's Still Billy >Joel to Me," was never released. I seem to recall seeing an interview with Al where he said in relation to another of his parodies, "Amish Paradise," that his personal rule is that if the artist objects to being parodied, he doesn't do it. {It turned out that there had been a miscommunication between Coolio and Al's record company, and it turned out that Coolio *did* in fact object to the parody, which Al didn't find out until after the record had already been released. He seemed genuinely contrite about it.) The implication was that there was nothing legally to stop him from doing the parody, which the 2 Live Crew case bears out. I'm sure there's loopholes galore, though. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:04:19 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: parodies >....Is there any special permission needed to do Weird Al-type song >parodies? > >I believe there is...That's why Weird Al's finest moment, "It's Still Billy >Joel to Me," was never released. Yes, I don't understand the mechanics, but apparently Al needs permission, from someone, to officially release a parody. He occasionally visits Dr. Demento to play the ones he's concocted, but can't get permission to release. I'd never heard of "It's Still Billy Joel To Me," but Al did describe one non-cooperative "collaborator" as "this little short guy...likes the color purple..." I finally learned to like sauerkraut, Andy I interviewed Andrew W.K. (biog, ridiculous over-the-top hard rock guy, for those who don't know) on Monday. I asked what his I idea of a perfect pop song was, and after a few moments, this is how he answered: "I think Total Eclipse of the Heart is absolutely flawless," W.K., who turns 23 in May, says as he snacks on oranges from the East of Eighth bistro down the block from the Hotel Chelsea in Manhattan, where he is wrapping up a three-day whirlwind promotional trip. He refers, of course, to the intensely feminine 1983 Bonnie Tyler ballad written, coincidentally, by the guy who shaped all those tender Meatloaf marathons. Inform him that this was your favorite song as an 8-year-old and the wheels in his hyperactive head really begin to turn. "Why do people like Total Eclipse of the Heart?" W.K. asks. "Because they're absolutely, absolutely unafraid. Because they absolutely, purely respond to what they hear. They're not thinking, Somebody thinks Im not cool because I like that song. They're thinking, Wow, look at how huge this is. Look at how exciting this is. Listen to this melody." - --Christopher O'Connor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:04:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Gabriel Subject: [loud-fans] Swap Review: Jeff B.'s "Superfan" Back in December, Jeff Brenneman mailed me the Swap CD "SUPERFAN." A short four months later, I'm reviewing it. Cracker - "Superfan" & "Miss Santa Cruz County" The story of my life: throngs of obsessive females constantly challenging my marital vows. No more late-night calls, Winona! Quit forwarding me tasteless jokes, Salma! Stop mailing me undergarments, Condoleezza!! ENOUGH!!! I've never been considered one of the nation's foremost Cracker fans (that sounded racist -- let me assure you that some of my best friends are crackers), so these didn't totally bowl me over. The tracks are still pretty good though. The Connells - "Gladiator Heart" & "Put Down" A fine pun establishes the first number, as in "Glad He Ate Her Heart" -- A-ha! Get it?! Reminds me of a certain relative; Anytime someone mentions the movie "Gladiator," he cleverly replies, "Yeah he was!" Get it?! A-HA-HA!!! A comic treasure, that one. Back to the music, it's good straightforward rock. The second track struck me more than the first. Gruppo Sportivo - "Girls Never Know" & "I Shot My Manager" I *really* like these two selections. Toy keyboards and a fun, poppy feel. Sounds like ? and the Mysterions releasing an album for the Kindercore label. The latter track is an appropriate reinterpretation of the Bob Marley classic. More information, please? Mystery Machine - "Doubter" & "Fool" As with the last band, I love the name. Very "up" pop -- fun, light & youthful -- qualities the music world can use much more of. You just can't be in a crappy mood with these tunes on. Let me know more about this band too, por favor. Tom Hooper - "Cardboard Man" This guy reminds me a bit of Elliot Smith. Very nice singer/songwriter track. Grapes of Wrath - "Hitchhiker" I've heard of this band, but this is the first time I've heard their music. Excellent pairing with the last number. Remy Zero - "Hollow" & "Problem" I recently saw a video by Remy Zero and was very impressed. These two songs impress me further. Modern sound with non-cliched touches of Pulp, Radiohead and Revolver-era Beatles. Is all their stuff this good? Grant Lee Phillips - "We All Get a Taste" & "Spring Released" The first song features my new favorite lyric, "journalism broke that man" -- probably because I've known so many who fit that description. Nice electronic instrumentation and vocal style. I'm really impressed with both of these tracks -- more info please. KC Bowman - "Blithering Heights" Reminds me a lot of XTC or Owlsley. Judging from the title, I thought the lyrics would be a little too precious, but I really enjoyed them. Daryll-Ann - "Surely Justice" & "Everybody's Cool" I'm wondering why I haven't heard a lot of these bands before. Not precious, not pretentious, just excellent pop. This artist/band/whatever reminds me of Eric Matthews fronting for The Apples (in Stereo). LP - "Perfect" & "Superman" The vocals sound like a higher-pitched Janice Joplin - -- kind of reminds me of Nikki Costa, but it isn't really my thing. It was a nice touch though to begin with "Superfan" and end with "Superman." Thanks Jeff for providing several bands I've never heard before and a few additions to my CD wish list. I'd love to get more info on the artists I mentioned! Best, Jon ===== 777777777777777777777777777777 JON GABRIEL mesa, arizona usa inkling communication + design 777777777777777777777777777777 Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:22:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Gabriel Subject: [loud-fans] O Oracle, Where Art Thou? At MP3.com, I recently downloaded a song titled "Girocheques Have No Respect," by a British band named Summerbee. I've heard the term before, but what is a "Girocheque?" Also, If anyone has more info on this band, I'd love to learn more about them. The link to their Web site doesn't seem to be working. Best, Jon ===== 777777777777777777777777777777 JON GABRIEL mesa, arizona usa inkling communication + design 777777777777777777777777777777 Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:04:15 -0400 From: "jer fairall" Subject: [loud-fans] Costello & Nieve > The EC/Steve Nieve 5-CD live set. I hadn't listened to this in a while so I dragged it out this morning and while I'm not usually a big fan of live albums, I think this one is wonderful. In fact, it and Ani DiFranco's LIVING IN CLIP are probably the only two live albums I own that I'd consider essential (although I'm hoping that FROM RITUAL TO ROMANCE might make that three). As far as I know it was a limited edition release (in 1996) and is now long out of print, but if anyone manages to find a copy at a used shop or on eBay, grab it. Jer http://www.care2.com - Get your Free e-mail account that helps save Wildlife! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:19:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] O Oracle, Where Art Thou? > At MP3.com, I recently downloaded a song titled > "Girocheques Have No Respect," by a British band named > Summerbee. I've heard the term before, but what is a > "Girocheque?" Well, "Giro" in Italian means "tour", as in, let's take a tour around Italy. So my guess is they're talking about travellers' checks. But I didn't know they have no respect. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:23:17 -0400 (EDT) From: marmoset@freeke.org Subject: Re: [loud-fans] O Oracle, Where Art Thou? On Monday, April 22, 2002, at 12:22 PM, Jon Gabriel wrote: > At MP3.com, I recently downloaded a song titled > "Girocheques Have No Respect," by a British band named > Summerbee. I've heard the term before, but what is a > "Girocheque?" cf. _Trainspotting_, it's a welfare check, basically. -d.w. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:22:30 -0700 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] the anton show... ...was wonderful. no, i don't have a set list - i was a bit distracted, and cracking up too frequently to write stuff down. he is one funny guy, that anton barbeau. the venue is really something special; i'm only sorry i haven't made it up there 'til now. it's a funky, cozy coffeshop-style place, offering yummy cheese and fruit platters (as well as 'real-er' food like lasagna), beer and wine, other standard consumable liquids, and of course coffee. what impressed me the most was how wonderful the employees are! there was nowhere for us to sit when we got our food, so the sound guy let us share his table. one of the women working there (i think she's one of the owners) sang with anton at one point - even did a funky little dance. lots o' fun, worth the drive. by the way, i just got spam with the Subj: "2 White Teeth Make the Perfect Smile." huh. i thought i had a few more than two, but, ok.... - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:28:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the anton show... On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, me wrote: > one of the women working there (i think she's one of the owners) sang > with anton at one point - even did a funky little dance. Probably Allyson Seconds, wife of Kevin Seconds (of 7 Seconds fame). They own the True Love. More info from Steve H., whom we ran into at the Stew in-store in Berkeley. Stew's a surly one... J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:44:55 -0400 (EDT) From: jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Pathetic, Pedantic Turbochains >On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > >> Is there any special permission needed to do Weird Al-type song >> parodies? There was another infamous bit in the seventies where Led >> Zeppelin manager Peter Grant used his industry muscle to stop the >> release of "Stairway to Gilligan's Isle" by Roger and the Goosebumps. >> That should've been perfectly legal, as long as Little Roger & Co. paid >> their song royalties! Jeff: >Dunno - but some rights regarding parody were upheld in the decision >concerning 2 Live Crew's adaptation of "Oh! Pretty Woman" (if I'm >remembering the details correctly). Yeah, in copyright law those kinds of parodies are called "derivative works," i.e. a new copyright-eligible work is created and the original author(s) must grant permission, unless the parodist wants to try to claim "fair use." Jeff is correct, once again, the 2 Live Crew "Pretty Woman" case is leading, but it's a fuzzy enough doctrine that it's hard to tell how a court or jury will decide--and who wants to litigate anyway? So someone like Weird Al might feel emboldened by 2 Live Crew's victory, but to avoid hassles may just want to stick with getting the orignal author's permission. JS - ------------------------------------------------- BROOKLYN LAW SCHOOL WEBMAIL: info.brooklaw.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:09:02 -0500 From: zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Pathetic, Pedantic Turbochains > Jeff: > >>Dunno - but some rights regarding parody were upheld in the decision > >concerning 2 Live Crew's adaptation of "Oh! Pretty Woman" (if I'm > >remembering the details correctly). > Yeah, in copyright law those kinds of parodies are called "derivative works," > i.e. a new copyright-eligible work is created and the original author(s) > must > grant permission, unless the parodist wants to try to claim "fair use." Do songs covered by Reel Big Fish also fall under this "derivative works" law? Curiously, Andrew W(ea)K Also, since I haven't seen it mentioned here yet, the lead singer for Alice in Chains was found dead of a probable heroin overdose. RIP. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:25:57 -0700 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] for dog owners [OT as usual] only posting this cuz i've been laughing about it for the last 1/2 hour - k - imagine yourself at one end of the leash with your growling, snarling, angry dog at the other end everytime another mutt passes by. petco has this advice for you, oh humble owner: Whenever your friend's dog is approaching yours, say, "Look, here comes the cookie dog!" - http://www.petco.com/pet_care_article.asp?webt=0&tab=&categoryID=12&pettype=1 &articleID=1983 it may not help anything, but your friend will be laughing too hard to notice whether or not your dog is being agressive. brianna - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:38:56 -0700 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: [loud-fans] Just for kicks, something on-topic I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that some of you make the occasional mix for someone who is not already a Loud Family disciple. Edging further out, I'm going to assume that you sometimes put Loud Family songs on said tapes. Which ones do you use? (If you do not do one or both of those things yet can picture a situation in which you might, you can answer theoretically too.) I've been on a big mix kick lately, and it occurs to me that many of the LF songs I worship now confused and frightened me on the first few listens - but I can't remember which ones they were, necessarily. "Inverness" seems safe for the pop folk, but I can't quite decide on an equally accessible song for the rock camp. Back off-topic: Anybody wanna see photos from my wedding reception? http://www.fringehead.com/wedding/reception Let's see if I can exceed my allotted bandwidth... - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:05:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Gabriel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Just for kicks, something on-topic 1. To initiate the unwashed masses, I use the LF songs with immediately perceptible hooks, even if they are a little daunting. I always want them to stand out from the crowd a bit. Favorites include, "Don't Respond, She Can Tell," "Give In World," "Crypto-Sicko" and "Sodium Laureth Sulfate." If I toss in a weird one, the CD recipient will at least say, "What the $%#^@&?! was that?" giving me a perfect opening to tell them how they too can have a personal relationship with Our Scott. 2. Congratulations on getting married! Now prepare to hear the following question at least six times a day for the next year: "Soooooo, how's married life treatin' ya'?" The scary thing is that it's always said *exactly* like that -- the long "so," dropped "g" on "treating," etc. Additionally, about three times per day you'll hear, "Soooooo, you guys thinkin' about kids?" This will continue until you are about eight months pregnant. [I was married about three years ago; we're still asked about kids, even though my wife has been pregnant since December.] Mazel tov, Jon - --- Elizabeth Brion wrote: > I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that > some of you make > the occasional mix for someone who is not already a > Loud Family > disciple. Edging further out, I'm going to assume > that you sometimes > put Loud Family songs on said tapes. Which ones do > you use? > > (If you do not do one or both of those things yet > can picture a > situation in which you might, you can answer > theoretically too.) > > I've been on a big mix kick lately, and it occurs to > me that many of > the LF songs I worship now confused and frightened > me on the first > few listens - but I can't remember which ones they > were, necessarily. > "Inverness" seems safe for the pop folk, but I can't > quite decide on > an equally accessible song for the rock camp. > > Back off-topic: Anybody wanna see photos from my > wedding reception? > http://www.fringehead.com/wedding/reception > > Let's see if I can exceed my allotted bandwidth... > -- > Elizabeth ===== 777777777777777777777777777777 JON GABRIEL mesa, arizona usa inkling communication + design 777777777777777777777777777777 Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:12:26 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Just for kicks, something on-topic i usually use _Inverness_, _Take Me Down_, _Blackness, Blackness_, and _Aeordeleria_. some of the Game Theory songs are more accessible, i think, so i sometimes include _Regenisraen_. but then again, it totally depends on who it is. i've had a few friends that heard _Ballad of How You Can All Shut Up_ and were hooked. b - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Brion" To: Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: [loud-fans] Just for kicks, something on-topic > I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that some of you make > the occasional mix for someone who is not already a Loud Family > disciple. Edging further out, I'm going to assume that you sometimes > put Loud Family songs on said tapes. Which ones do you use? > > (If you do not do one or both of those things yet can picture a > situation in which you might, you can answer theoretically too.) > > I've been on a big mix kick lately, and it occurs to me that many of > the LF songs I worship now confused and frightened me on the first > few listens - but I can't remember which ones they were, necessarily. > "Inverness" seems safe for the pop folk, but I can't quite decide on > an equally accessible song for the rock camp. > > Back off-topic: Anybody wanna see photos from my wedding reception? > http://www.fringehead.com/wedding/reception > > Let's see if I can exceed my allotted bandwidth... > -- > Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:09:16 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] for dog owners [OT as usual] At Monday 4/22/2002 03:25 PM -0700, me wrote: >Whenever your friend's dog is approaching yours, say, "Look, here comes the >cookie dog!" Actually, you should say this in Esperanto. Janet? Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:40:19 -0400 (EDT) From: jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Just for kicks, something on-topic Quoting Elizabeth Brion : >Back off-topic: Anybody wanna see photos from my wedding reception? >http://www.fringehead.com/wedding/reception Hey kids! Worth checking out. Mrs. Brion is way cute and her brother-in-law Jon is a total geek. That's an awful suit. Bet he got a free bowl of soup when he bought it. Congrats, JS - ------------------------------------------------- BROOKLYN LAW SCHOOL WEBMAIL: info.brooklaw.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:47:06 -0700 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Just for kicks, something on-topic elizabeth, you look beautiful!!! likea little porcelain doll! pretty dress, too.... brianna - -- "Drag me, drop me, treat me like an object." - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Brion" To: Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: [loud-fans] Just for kicks, something on-topic > I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that some of you make > the occasional mix for someone who is not already a Loud Family > disciple. Edging further out, I'm going to assume that you sometimes > put Loud Family songs on said tapes. Which ones do you use? > > (If you do not do one or both of those things yet can picture a > situation in which you might, you can answer theoretically too.) > > I've been on a big mix kick lately, and it occurs to me that many of > the LF songs I worship now confused and frightened me on the first > few listens - but I can't remember which ones they were, necessarily. > "Inverness" seems safe for the pop folk, but I can't quite decide on > an equally accessible song for the rock camp. > > Back off-topic: Anybody wanna see photos from my wedding reception? > http://www.fringehead.com/wedding/reception > > Let's see if I can exceed my allotted bandwidth... > -- > Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:58:06 -0700 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: (no longer on-topic) Re: [loud-fans] Just for kicks, something on-topic At 4:05 PM -0700 4/22/02, Jon Gabriel wrote: > Now prepare to >hear the following question at least six times a day >for the next year: "Soooooo, how's married life >treatin' ya'?" The scary thing is that it's always >said *exactly* like that -- the long "so," dropped "g" >on "treating," etc. Additionally, about three times >per day you'll hear, "Soooooo, you guys thinkin' about >kids?" This will continue until you are about eight >months pregnant. Having been shacked up for four and a half years, we're already very familiar with the Overly Personal Baby Questions. (And I'm more than happy to trade the old "Soooo, when are you guys getting married?" for the newer model!) I usually find the best way to deal with it is to work up a few tears and answer in a tremulous, falsely bright voice, "Well, I don't know... I guess we'll see how things turn out!" Leave the rest to their imaginations. Sure, it's mean, but how else will people learn that that's not a casual small-talk subject for everyone? Mr. Sharples said: >>That's an awful suit. Bet he got a free bowl of soup when he bought it.<< Now is that nice? And here he probably bought it special and everything. And Brianna said: >>elizabeth, you look beautiful!!! likea little porcelain doll! pretty dress, too....<< Why, thank you! By the way, anybody wanna buy it? The dress, I mean. I'll throw in some free soup. Thanks for all the nice words, everyone! - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:27:10 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the anton show... "Joseph M. Mallon" wrote: > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, me wrote: > > one of the women working there (i think she's one of the owners) sang > > with anton at one point - even did a funky little dance. > > Probably Allyson Seconds, wife of Kevin Seconds (of 7 Seconds fame). They > own the True Love. If it was a blonde woman who looked a little like Scott Miller's wife, it was Allyson Seconds. She normally sings with Anton when he plays the True Love, has done backing vocals on a few of his songs, and was even the subject of one. (take a wild guess) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:54:23 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Just for kicks, something on-topic Elizabeth Brion wrote: > > I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that some of you make > the occasional mix for someone who is not already a Loud Family > disciple. Edging further out, I'm going to assume that you sometimes > put Loud Family songs on said tapes. Which ones do you use? *snip* > "Inverness" seems safe for the pop folk, but I can't quite decide on > an equally accessible song for the rock camp. It really depends on the person I'm making the tape for. Usually, I hit them with a whole tape, or side of a tape, of LF songs. As far as things for the "rock camp", I would say that IBC has a slue of acceptible choices. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:14:19 -0400 From: Janet Ingraham Dwyer Subject: Re: [loud-fans] for dog owners [OT as usual] At 06:09 PM 04/22/2002 -0600, Roger Winston wrote: >At Monday 4/22/2002 03:25 PM -0700, me wrote: >>Whenever your friend's dog is approaching yours, say, "Look, here comes the >>cookie dog!" > >Actually, you should say this in Esperanto. > >Janet? Comes when called, just like a cookie dog. Anyway: "Rigardu, tivenu kuketohundo!" I'm beginning to feel oddly fluent. Elizabeth, congratulations! You look so lovely, and happy. Keep the dress. Someday you'll have someone to pass it along to (sooo, thinkin' about kids?). You know, nieces and such. Thank you for sharing the photo album around. Remember to put "Rosy Overdrive" on that tape. cheers, janet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:09:51 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Just for kicks, something on-topic > I've been on a big mix kick lately, and it occurs to me that many of > the LF songs I worship now confused and frightened me on the first > few listens - but I can't remember which ones they were, necessarily. > "Inverness" seems safe for the pop folk, but I can't quite decide on > an equally accessible song for the rock camp. I wonder if there's a safe LF/GT song. You never know who is going to be bothered by Scott's voice, or who will find the songs too busy. Anyway, "Give In World," which I think of as a rocker, has worked pretty well for me, especially if I also use the preceding "Ballad of How You Can All Shut Up" - the combination of noise play and melodic rock seems to get good reviews from beginners. "Deee-Pression" is a pretty popular LF rocker too. Are you counting Game Theory songs too? Lots of the best ones rock out majorly. Among a host of candidates, I'd pick "I've Tried Subtlety" as the purest and most perfect rocker. On the more eccentric side, "The Waist and the Knees" always scores high on loud-fans best-song polls. > Back off-topic: Anybody wanna see photos from my wedding reception? > http://www.fringehead.com/wedding/reception Looks like a fun wedding! And you look great. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:37:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] Wilco question I've never been a huge Wilco fan in the past. They're all right. My curiousity was piqued by all the talk about how weird the new album is, though. I listened to the first five or six sound clips at Amazon, though, and while it didn't sound quite like the Wilco I remember, there was nothing about any of the clips that I would call weird, or even uncommercial. So, am I missing out, or was the "it's so weird" buzz just based on a very narrow idea of how Wilco should sound, or what? a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:38:34 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: (no longer on-topic) Re: [loud-fans] Just for kicks, somethingon-topic Elizabeth Brion wrote: > > Having been shacked up for four and a half years, we're already very > familiar with the Overly Personal Baby Questions. Having been married 19 years, with no kids, with no intentions of having kids, I can tell you that the baby question goes on for a while, and once people you know and people in your family give up (after many years), then people you meet ask! Or they ask if you have any, and if you say no, they want to know why not, like that's any of their business. I have been tempted on more than one occasion to lie in some tragic fashion just to make them feel bad, but I never have. It is annoying when someone gets high and mighty and demanding about something that's none of their goldurn business, though, especially when they've only known you for a few minutes! Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:44:02 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Just for kicks, something on-topic Elizabeth Brion wrote: > > Back off-topic: Anybody wanna see photos from my wedding reception? > http://www.fringehead.com/wedding/reception Elizabeth, you look radiant! Here's wishing the both of you happiness and success, by your own definitions of those words! Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:07:45 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] for dog owners [OT as usual] At Monday 4/22/2002 11:14 PM -0400, Janet Ingraham Dwyer wrote: >"Rigardu, tivenu kuketohundo!" Oh c'mon! You made that up - I know you did. "Kuketohundo", indeed! >I'm beginning to feel oddly fluent. Drink a lot of coffee and alcohol and run around the block - that'll dry you up right quick. Works for me. >Elizabeth, congratulations! You look so lovely, and happy. Yes, Elizabeth, you do look great, even with cake being shoved in your mouth. You know, I've heard that Sandra Bullock turned down the lead in the Wonder Woman movie, and I think you'd make a great replacement. Wouldn't she, folks? Where's Scott Miller? Doesn't he usually play at LoudFans weddings? Let's check out the entertainment... Hey... waitaminute... you're the sister-in-law of THAT Jon Brion?!? It's all starting to make sense now... But why was Sharples making fun of his suit? And where are the bathub pictures? Anyhoo... congrats! Many Happy Reeeeeeeeeeeeturnzzzz, as Howard Devoto says. Latre. --Rog (so many stupid questions, so little time) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:19:37 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] for dog owners [OT as usual] >Where's Scott Miller? Doesn't he usually play at LoudFans weddings? He phoned ahead and had Brion cover "Good There Are No Lions in the Street" and a Carpenters tune. > But why was Sharples making fun of his suit? That's the worst suit I've ever seen. Oh, but it looks good on HIM.... (wink), JS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:28:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Pathetic, Pedantic Turbochains On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu wrote: > Also, since I haven't seen it mentioned here yet, the > lead singer for Alice in Chains was found dead of a > probable heroin overdose. Thus proving his stupidity extended beyond the band's music. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::does "anal retentive" have a hyphen?:: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:33:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Gabriel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Pathetic, Pedantic Turbochains - --- Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > > Also, since I haven't seen it mentioned here yet, > the > > lead singer for Alice in Chains was found dead of > a > > probable heroin overdose. > > Thus proving his stupidity extended beyond the > band's music. When I heard the news Saturday, my first reaction was, "you mean he was still alive?!" I had assumed he O.D.-ed years ago. Heroin is so passe, Jon ===== 777777777777777777777777777777 JON GABRIEL mesa, arizona usa inkling communication + design 777777777777777777777777777777 Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:44:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Just for kicks, something on-topic On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu wrote: > Quoting Elizabeth Brion : > > >Back off-topic: Anybody wanna see photos from my wedding reception? > >http://www.fringehead.com/wedding/reception > > Worth checking out. Mrs. Brion is way cute and her brother-in-law Jon is a > total geek. That's an awful suit. Bet he got a free bowl of soup when he > bought it. Now John - play nice. Bro-in-law Jon can't help it if he had to rush to the wedding straight from his guest appearance on _That '70s Show_. Congratulations, Elizabeth! Are you tired of hearing how wonderful you look? And husband Randy just couldn't get that smile off his face - congratulations to him as well. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:48:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: (no longer on-topic) Re: [loud-fans] Just for kicks, somethingon-topic On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, jenny grover wrote: > Having been married 19 years, with no kids, with no intentions of having > kids, I can tell you that the baby question goes on for a while, and > once people you know and people in your family give up (after many > years), then people you meet ask! Or they ask if you have any, and if > you say no, they want to know why not, like that's any of their > business. I've found "I just don't think I'd be able to resist the delicious flavor" to be a good inquiry-killer. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:52:14 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: (no longer on-topic) Re: [loud-fans] Just for kicks, somethingon-topic Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > I've found "I just don't think I'd be able to resist the delicious flavor" > to be a good inquiry-killer. Somewhere in there is a joke about the George Foreman Baby Grill. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:54:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Just for kicks, something on-topic On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Elizabeth Brion wrote: > I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that some of you make > the occasional mix for someone who is not already a Loud Family > disciple. Edging further out, I'm going to assume that you sometimes > put Loud Family songs on said tapes. Which ones do you use? Hmmm.... I'd have to say it depends largely on the taste of the recipient: try to find whichever tracks match that taste most closely, and then move s-l-o-w-l-y away from that style toward some (hypothetically) more typical Scott track. I *would* avoid anything with a super-high vocal at first - particularly if it's (a) from earlier in the career, when he sometimes hadn't mastered how to use that part of his range except in probably violation of various then-extant international treaties; or (b) intentionally grating, as in "Such Little Nonbelievers" (even though I love that song). On the other hand, anyone who's a sucker for a well-done slow and pretty one should fall for "Way Too Helpful" on first listen. (But there's a perfect example of how Scott *did* learn to use that upper register beautifully.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Watson! Something's afoot...and it's on the end of my leg:: __Hemlock Stones__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:59:09 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] for dog owners [OT as usual] Thanks for these lovely photos. The dress is so pretty , I would keep it. Much happiness and success for both of you. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:04:13 -0700 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Just for kicks, something on-topic On 4/22/02 9:54 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On the other hand, anyone who's a sucker for a well-done slow and pretty > one should fall for "Way Too Helpful" on first listen. (But there's a > perfect example of how Scott *did* learn to use that upper register > beautifully.) Likewise, "Blackness Blackness" has made it onto some of my more recent mix tapes. l.p. Patty Griffin, 1000 Kisses, which I am not blown away by, yet, but not actively repelled by either, which is a good sign. Michael - -- "All I ate was spearmint candy, Trying to change the flavor of the day." Game Theory ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:41:07 -0500 From: triggercut Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Wilco question Eh? First off, are you sure it was YHF clips at Amazon.com? They still don't have them up (12:30 am CDT) from what I can tell, and usually don't as a matter of policy until the actual release day (a few hours, I guess). They do have full liquid audio downloads of two of the most "conventional" songs on the record--the Pavement-sounding "Heavy Metal Drummer" and the Wilco-sounding "Pot Kettle Black". CDNow.com does have all the clips up already. If you haven't already, I encourage you to try those. It does seem as if they've at times chosen the most accessible "snapshots" of some of the songs to put in the clips...but even the first clip, for "I Am Trying To Break Your Heart" sure as hell doesn't sound "commercial" in any way, shape or form. Is it "weird"? If your frame of reference doesn't include Slint, Ken Vandermark, Can, etc. etc., possibly. I'd imagine most Loudfans would probably substitute the phrase "interesting" for "weird" though. The first time I heard "Ashes Of American Flags" (kinda strange that an album with that song title was going to originally be released on Sept 11, 2001, huh?) I immediately thought that it sounded quite a bit like the song "Whore Of God". If a song that echoes a track from the first Ultra Vivid Scene album isn't "uncommercial", then I guess we're working from different definitions of the term. The closing two songs, "Poor Places" into "Reservations" form one of the most stunning rock music moments I've ever heard. I've listened to this record nonstop for seven months now, and I still get goosebumps when the tempo and key changes in the middle of "Places", and Jay Bennett's weird (okay, here it fits) descending piano sample (which you need a four-speaker set up to completely appreciate, since it bounces from channel to channel) comes up... It may cause the typical Loudfan to break into hives to shop there, but BestBuy has YANKEE HOTEL FOXTROT on sale tomorrow for $11.99. I've never really loved any Wilco album from start to finish, and didn't get all the hubbub over SUMMERTEETH at all--it just left me cold. That said, I think YHF is the best rock and roll album to come out in the last five to ten years. Aaron Mandel wrote: > > I've never been a huge Wilco fan in the past. They're all right. My > curiousity was piqued by all the talk about how weird the new album is, > though. I listened to the first five or six sound clips at Amazon, though, > and while it didn't sound quite like the Wilco I remember, there was > nothing about any of the clips that I would call weird, or even > uncommercial. > > So, am I missing out, or was the "it's so weird" buzz just based on a very > narrow idea of how Wilco should sound, or what? > > a ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #146 *******************************