From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #142 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, April 19 2002 Volume 02 : Number 142 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Strokes, Blood, and Hives [Michael Mitton ] [loud-fans] accepted strokes, left [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Strokes, Blood, and Hives [JRT456@aol.com] [loud-fans] Clash documentary ["Kunkel, Mark" ] Re: [loud-fans] Pathetic, Pedantic Turbochains ["jer fairall" Subject: [loud-fans] Strokes, Blood, and Hives The New Yorker has an article on saving rock and roll. After paying respect to The Strokes and The White Stripes, he (Ben Greenman, whoever that is) says the band to look at is The Hives, from Fagerstra Sweden. Here's the link: http://www.newyorker.com/critics/music/?020422crmu_music I've never heard of the Hives, although the article kind of makes me interested to check them out. But then, I've never used The New Yorker as a souce for finding new music. So has anyone on this list heard them and have opinions? FWIW, I've really liked the White Stripes album--probably my favorite of what I've heard from 2002 so far. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 07:04:18 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Strokes, Blood, and Hives In a message dated 4/18/02 12:18:18 AM, mlmitton@phoenix.Princeton.EDU writes: << I've never heard of the Hives, although the article kind of makes me interested to check them out. >> The Hives really are a great band, and their shows in Manhattan are full of people who can't stand the Strokes and can't figure out why the world is excited about the White Stripes' worst album....so maybe it is kind of strange to find that article in the New Yorker. The Strokes, incidentally, recently went on the record about their desperate need for money. Nobody's reported how they also turned down a $60,000 offer last week for one night's work. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:26:20 GMT From: mbowen@frontiernet.net Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Strokes, Blood, and Hives JRT456@aol.com writes: > The Strokes, incidentally, > recently went on the record about their desperate need for money. What? Daddy's check hasn't cleared yet? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 09:33:15 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Strokes, Blood, and Hives On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 JRT456@aol.com wrote: > The Hives really are a great band, and their shows in Manhattan are full of > people who can't stand the Strokes and can't figure out why the world is > excited about the White Stripes' worst album....so maybe it is kind of > strange to find that article in the New Yorker. The Strokes, incidentally, > recently went on the record about their desperate need for money. Nobody's > reported how they also turned down a $60,000 offer last week for one night's > work. this subjectline really puts me in mind of some recent history books: _guns, germs and steeel_, _rats, lice and history_ etc. ok, ok -- who woulda be fronting the sixty g's and what zactly would the band have had to do? if i were in their position, i probably wouldn't take on three mob contract hits. for example. in vaguely related rockhype/dollargrubbing mode, if anybody wants to see the latest couple chapters of the rosenbergs/dgm story i have evan (of the rosenbergs)'s apology/retraction and the joint response of fripp & his biz parter (david somebody? sorry, slipped my mind) to the original smear. everybody is too polite to say it but me: the rosenbergs' record may just have failed to sell because the band, though competent and blessed with a couple fine singing voices, is blander than dirt. blander than the strokes, even. (v. slight disclaimer: didn't hear the record, but i did make it through most of a live set.) - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:51:34 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] accepted strokes, left Actually that would have been better if I had gone to the Strokes' Nashville show last... late summer? fall? But I still like it. Anyways... At 01:26 PM 4/18/2002 +0000, mbowen@frontiernet.net wrote: >JRT456@aol.com writes: > >> The Strokes, incidentally, >> recently went on the record about their desperate need for money. > >What? Daddy's check hasn't cleared yet? Cue Pulp's "Common People".... Anyway, my lack of comment on the Strokes thing, whatever that is, has had mostly to do with me not owning the record. However, I picked it up several weeks ago (I made a rare visit to Borders because I hadn't yet gotten Sam Phillips' FAN DANCE, because I wanted the Borders bonus track version but I hate going to Borders, and while I was picking up FAN DANCE, there sat the Strokes at quite an agreeable price), and now have an opinion. I was expecting good, clean, wholly derivative fun, like Elastica -- or even wholly derivative occasional fun, like Green Day. Instead, IS THIS IT? seems... well, *boring.* The hooks aren't hooky, the vocals aren't arresting, and the entire enterprise seems wholly unmemorable. I think I can hum one tune from IS THIS IT? after seven or eight spins. I've heard that they're quite good live, so maybe that's what I need to bring me around, but right now, I don't see what the fuss is about. later, Miles np: RuPaul, RuPAUL IS STAR BOOTY "The kids, man, they go crazy for the Strokes." - Mickey, the Grimey's clerk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:04:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] "rosenbergs/dgm" Apparently I am not just too polite to say that the Rosenbergs suck, but in fact too polite to have any idea what controversy Doug is talking about. Someone fill me in? a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:56:47 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Strokes, Blood, and Hives In a message dated 4/18/02 6:33:52 AM, dmw@radix.net writes of The Strokes: << ok, ok -- who woulda be fronting the sixty g's and what zactly would the band have had to do? >> It wasn't an invitation to endorse Zima or play Siberia (and this week, any New Yorker would consider the latter to be a fine opportunity). The money was offered for playing one night at an American festival where the sound and lighting was already covered. And the Rosenbergs are certainly forgettable, although I've never heard any real debate over that opinion. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:53:22 -0500 From: "Kunkel, Mark" Subject: [loud-fans] Clash documentary Has anybody seen "Westway to the World", a 1999 documentary about the Clash? It's coming to town soon and I'm wondering if it's worthwhile. On a related point, is the 1978 reggae flick "Rockers" any good? I luv the soundtrack. Thanks, _____________________________________________________ Mark D. Kunkel Legislative Attorney Legislative Reference Bureau (608) 266-0131 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:18:12 +0100 From: "richblath" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Strokes, Blood, and Hives The Hives remind me most of Rocket from the Crypt, or at least most of what I've heard of the latter. Good time garage rock with a sense of humour. The Hives compilation CD Your New Favourite Band is rather up and down and, imho, doesn't have the depth or complexity to stand up to multiple consecutive listens, but fits the bill perfectly if you've had a crap day/night/life and need a pick-me-up. When I saw them play on Later... in the UK I was laughing before the got as far as the first chorus! Richard - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: mlmitton@phoenix.Princeton.EDU writes: > > << I've never heard of the Hives, although the article kind of makes me > interested to check them out. >> > > The Hives really are a great band, and their shows in Manhattan are full of > people who can't stand the Strokes and can't figure out why the world is > excited about the White Stripes' worst album....so maybe it is kind of > strange to find that article in the New Yorker. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:26:31 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Clash documentary At 11:53 AM 4/18/2002 -0500, Kunkel, Mark wrote: >Has anybody seen "Westway to the World", a 1999 documentary about the Clash? >It's coming to town soon and I'm wondering if it's worthwhile. I saw it on a Virgin Atlantic flight from Chicago to London in Feb. 2000! It was quite good, IMO. I don't think it's *essential* in the way that THE FILTH AND THE FURY is, but if you're interested in the Clash, it's well worth your while. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:45:00 +0100 From: "Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Clash documentary, Hives etc Mark asks: > Has anybody seen "Westway to the World", a 1999 documentary > about the Clash? It's coming to town soon and I'm wondering > if it's worthwhile. On a related point, is the 1978 reggae > flick "Rockers" any good? I luv the soundtrack. Haven't seen Westway but Rockers is terrific fun - better then Harder They Come I think. The lead, from memory one Leroy "Horsemouth" Wallace, is a pretty engaging character and the cameos by anybody who was anybody in reggae in the 70s (when reggae was, like, well crucial) are all entertaining. And yes that's a boss soundtrack album. The Hives sound like mid 60s Stones to me with maybe a dash of Dr Feelgood - they're meant to be amazing live and I've seen them on Top of the Pops a couple of times and they put on a good show but musically it's pretty primitive repetitive riffy stuff. Not my cup of oolong anyway. A high energy power pop album I'm currently listening to a lot is the NotLame reissue of the first album by The Shazam. The band have ventured over to the UK a few times along with Andy Bopp's Myracle Brah - Phil Gerrard and I saw their shows which were terrific. BTW, Phil's heavily involved in his acting classes and recently had his first major role in a Brecht play - things are going well by all accounts. Ian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:55:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Gabriel Subject: [loud-fans] Pathetic, Pedantic Turbochains If everyone had this much dedication to creating the perfect mix tape, it would be a very, very unproductive world: "Welcome to The Covers Project. We're building a database of cover songs (songs performed by an artist other than the original performer) with the intention of creating cover 'chains.' A cover chain is a set of songs in which each song is a cover of a song by the band who covered the preceding song." More info at http://covers.wiw.org ===== 777777777777777777777777777777 JON GABRIEL mesa, arizona usa inkling communication + design 777777777777777777777777777777 Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:55:12 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Pathetic, Pedantic Turbochains Jon Gabriel wrote: > > If everyone had this much dedication to creating the > perfect mix tape, it would be a very, very > unproductive world: > > "Welcome to The Covers Project. We're building a > database of cover songs (songs performed by an artist > other than the original performer) with the intention > of creating cover 'chains.' A cover chain is a set of > songs in which each song is a cover of a song by the > band who covered the preceding song." > > More info at http://covers.wiw.org I've tried to do a "cover chain" mix before, but keep hitting dead ends after 8-10 songs. It's impressive that their current longest chain (at http://covers.wiw.org/longest.php) is 40 songs long, but I'd be more interested in seeing the "longest chain of covers that doesn't contain Jimmy Buffett covering Phish". Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:36:36 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Pathetic, Pedantic Turbochains Steve: >I've tried to do a "cover chain" mix before, but keep hitting dead ends >after 8-10 songs. It's impressive that their current longest chain >(at http://covers.wiw.org/longest.php) is 40 songs long, but I'd be more >interested in seeing the "longest chain of covers that doesn't contain >Jimmy Buffett covering Phish". Yeah, that raised eyebrows, but after that it hit a pretty good run until it suddenly went seriously south with that Deftone/Linkin Park couplet. Costello, The Dirt Band, and for that matter Harry Nilsson (and the Fabs and Stones, of course) are valuable players in these chains, as they both covered well and were well-covered in their days. JS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:27:48 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: [loud-fans] Stew alert Any Bay Area loud-fans who enjoy Stew's music might be interested to know that he'll be doing an instore at the Berkeley Tower Records (on Durant Ave.) on Saturday (4/20) from 2 to 3 p.m. Matt Let us all remember that he does not really believe his own opinions, who dares not give free scope to his opponent. Wendell Phillips, Speeches (1863) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:45:12 -0300 From: "jer fairall" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Pathetic, Pedantic Turbochains From http://covers.wiw.org/longest.php: "Pop Life" was covered by Elvis Costello I thought this didn't actually exist, at least in any complete form that was available. Jer np: Elvis Costello, THIS YEAR'S MODEL (coincidentally) Care2 make the world greener! http://www.care2.com - Get your Free e-mail account that helps save Wildlife! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:45:22 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Pathetic, Pedantic Turbochains If "Pop Life" doesn't exist in a recorded form, I will state, for the record, that when I saw EC on his 'Spectacular Spinning Songbook' tour at Brown College in Providence that he played 'Sign o' the Times.' I don't think he played the whole song, but he played enough that I think it can count as a cover. I swear I knew somebody who claimed that they illegally taped the show, but I never heard it. At any rate, there is a chance that this is floating around out there somewhere and might count as a cover to fill that spot... R. Kevin - -----Original Message----- From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org]On Behalf Of jer fairall Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:45 PM To: loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Pathetic, Pedantic Turbochains >From http://covers.wiw.org/longest.php: "Pop Life" was covered by Elvis Costello I thought this didn't actually exist, at least in any complete form that was available. Jer np: Elvis Costello, THIS YEAR'S MODEL (coincidentally) Care2 make the world greener! http://www.care2.com - Get your Free e-mail account that helps save Wildlife! ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #142 *******************************