From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #140 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, April 17 2002 Volume 02 : Number 140 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] new Elvis [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] new Elvis ["O Geier" ] Re: [loud-fans] new Elvis [jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu] [loud-fans] Link O' The Day ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] [loud-fans] Wynn on Scott (content) ["Larry Tucker" ] RE: [loud-fans] Love Spit Furs ["Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] new Elvis No, I'm not proclaiming that so-and-so is the "new Elvis" (next thing you know, someone'll be cursed with the dreaded "new Dylan" label), but I heard a track from the forthcoming (next Tuesday) Elvis Costello album on the radio, and those of us who are happiest with Elvis when he appears to be trying the least should be happy. (I'm talkin' to you, Sharples...) The song was pretty much straightforward rock, riff-based, electric, and loud. Catchy too - something about a "doll revolution." Anyone else heard anything? - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ np: Robyn Hitchcock "Kung Fu Fighting" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:49:21 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] new Elvis Got the new album in it's entirety. It's good, Elvis, Steve, Pete and uh....... I can't remember the bass player's name. All the talent of Bruce without all that baggage. Alternates between up tempo and somber. One long ballad, Alibi, a la I Want You. A guitar solo from EC! Distorted, Dischordant. All the talent of Marc Ribot, without all that baggage, but I repeat myself. Elvis and Steve really do work well together, and the songs fit together nicely. It's a bit better than All This Useless Beauty, about on par with Brutal Youth. It bears no comparison to the late 70's- mid 80's Elvis, as nothing may ever again. I only wish I could stop reminding myself that he's turning 48 this year. Looking forward to the new Warren Zevon record. Lots of info at his site...you can probably guess the URL (it's not www.wethoneys.com). Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey To: such a stem Subject: [loud-fans] new Elvis Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:25:42 - -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [66.89.201.78] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE8571B500114136E8484259C94E8D680; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 06:27:21 - -0700 Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1])by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3GDPjVU005522for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3GDPjil005474for loud-fans-outgoing; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from batch3.csd.uwm.edu (batch3.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.7.226]) by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3GDPhVU005433 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha3.csd.uwm.edu (jenor@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.7.203]) by batch3.csd.uwm.edu (8.8.4/8.6.8) with ESMTP id IAA13587 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:25:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (jenor@localhost) by alpha3.csd.uwm.edu (8.8.4/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA19810 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:25:42 -0500 (CDT) From owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Tue, 16 Apr 2002 06:28:22 -0700 Message-ID: Sender: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Precedence: bulk No, I'm not proclaiming that so-and-so is the "new Elvis" (next thing you know, someone'll be cursed with the dreaded "new Dylan" label), but I heard a track from the forthcoming (next Tuesday) Elvis Costello album on the radio, and those of us who are happiest with Elvis when he appears to be trying the least should be happy. (I'm talkin' to you, Sharples...) The song was pretty much straightforward rock, riff-based, electric, and loud. Catchy too - something about a "doll revolution." Anyone else heard anything? --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ np: Robyn Hitchcock "Kung Fu Fighting" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:12:37 -0400 (EDT) From: jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] new Elvis Quoting Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey : I > heard a track from the forthcoming (next Tuesday) Elvis Costello album > on > the radio, and those of us who are happiest with Elvis when he appears > to > be trying the least should be happy. (I'm talkin' to you, Sharples...) But that's not me: the last thing Costello did that I can stand listening to is SPIKE (I think it's a masterpiece), an example of trying way too hard if there ever was one. I'll certainly check this one out and hope that it's not BRUTAL YOUTH all over again or that will be bad news for me. I almost wish he wouldn't tantalize and then disappoint that way, better he just keep making records with Christopher Cross so we know to stay away. And y'know, *I* never asked him to go back to THIS YEAR'S MODEL, I'd be very happy with another "mature"-sounding album like SPIKE or IMPERIAL BEDROOM, but one that was good like they are, and not bad like everything since 1989. JS - ------------------------------------------------- BROOKLYN LAW SCHOOL WEBMAIL: info.brooklaw.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:56:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Link O' The Day http://skop.com/brucelee/index.htm J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:07:43 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] Wynn on Scott (content) Sunday night was a weird night for me. I had planned on catching Concrete Blonde here at the Cat's Cradle especially because Steve Wynn was opening solo but unusual for me I hadn't bought my ticket in advance. Well because of this and the fact that I didn't check the schedule I didn't realize the show had an hour earlier start rather than the usual time at 10:00-10:30. So I waltz on in around 10:00 noticing there sure were a lot of people there already and then I spot Steve near the merch table and we start chatting, remembering me from the Black Cat show in DC last spring. Well after a few minutes I asked him about recording his show and he looked at me rather puzzled and said "uh Larry, I just played"....SHIT! of course was my response. Anyway, we laughed about it and he said he would still be doing a couple of songs with CB for their encores. Later that night we resumed our conversation and we got to talking about Scott Miller. I told him I knew they went to UC-Davis together and that I thought they were roommates. Steve's response was that "they didn't share a room, just a girlfriend". He asked if I had any of the Alternate Learning 'cause he really liked Scott's early stuff esp. "Green Card". Going back and listening to it last night I can see why with it's heavier sort of funky, smoky sound. He also shared a story that he was the one that turned Scott onto Alex Chilton and probably provided a turn in his music career (the later statement is my surmise). He recalled Scott was listening to a lot of Beatles and Pink Floyd at the time and that when he heard Scott play and sing he commented on how much he sounded like Chilton and told Scott he needed to hear some Big Star. I was pleasantly surprised at how good Concrete Blonde was and bought their new album based on what I heard. The band did their cover of George Harrison's 'Beware of Darkness" which was nice. The encores with Steve were the Dream Syndicate's "When You Smile" and Nick Cave's "The Ship Song" though Johnette said it was by Jagger/Richards (????) And with barely enough time for the ringing in my ears to subside - GbV tonight! - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:50:15 -0300 From: "jer fairall" Subject: [loud-fans] Tape review (Cyndy Patrick's GIN-SOAKED BOY, Side A) I'm still way behind on all of the tapes and CDs I have to review and since Cyndy's GIN-SOAKED BOY has rarely left my walkman during the last few months, it's due for a write-up. Side A The Divine Comedy, "Gin-Soaked Boy" Just discussed onlist and no, they don't sound at all like Radiohead to me, either. Clever, amusing lyrics and musically somewhere between Britpop and showtune. Not sure if I'd like the rest of their stuff, but I really like this. The Left Banke, "Walk Away Renee" Who *doesn't* like this song? Classic pop. Love Spit Love, "Fall On Tears" Despite being a pretty big Richard Butler fan, I never picked up the second LSL album for some reason. I quickly corrected that after hearing this song, though. My very favorite on the tape. Star Ghost Dog, "Underdrive" Reminds me of Plumtree, The Weekend and other bands like that. I really like the style and could always use more of it. How's the rest of their stuff? Would-be-Goods, "Emmanuelle Beart" Human Sexual Response, "Jackie Onasis" Two odes to celebrities, of which I prefer the latter. I was already familiar with both HSR and this song thanks to Rhino's DiY series. Do they have anything still in print? Holden, "La Machine" Retro-kitsch French lounge pop. Blech. Uilab, "St. Elmo's Fire" For some reason I was expecting a remake of David Foster's movie theme but this is instead a cover of the Brian Eno song which I'm not familiar with. Nice, though. Jim O'Rourke, "Therefore I Am" I've heard the name mentioned a lot, so I'm guessing he's a well respected figure, but this is the first thing by him that I've actually heard. Not at all bad, but I found it rather unexceptional. Family Fodder, "Savoir Faire" I've listened to this tape countless times by now and was just listening to it again a few hours ago and yet as I write this I can't recall a thing about this song. Not a good sign, I guess. Sparks, "Here Comes Bob" A very confusing band to me as I've heard a handful of their songs, none of which sound at all alike. This one sounds kinda classical and thus not at all like "Cool Places" or "The Number One Song In Heaven." John Cale, "Paris 1919" Flows perfectly from the last track as this is another classical sounding piece. I tend to get him and John *Cage* confused a lot--Cale is the one from Velvet Underground, right? Ken Stringfellow, "Uniforms" I never really loved the Posies like I think I was supposed to but after giving them up as a lost cause I discovered the two Orange Humble Band records and thought they were wonderful. This is a really nice song but it never stays with me after it's finished and I've come to the conclusion that I only like Ken when he's singing songs that Darryl Mather wrote. Barbara Morgenstern, "Dr. Mr." A mostly electronic instrumental that closes the side nicely. Gotta go now. Stay tuned for Side B. Jer http://www.care2.com - Get your Free e-mail account that helps save Wildlife! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:52:55 EDT From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tape review (Cyndy Patrick's GIN-SOAKED BOY, Side A) In a message dated 4/16/02 12:50:18 PM, cryptosicko@care2.com writes: << Love Spit Love, "Fall On Tears" Despite being a pretty big Richard Butler fan, I never picked up the second LSL album for some reason. I quickly corrected that after hearing this song, though. My very favorite on the tape. >> Nice to see that there's someone else on the List that likes Love Spit Love. Saw them a couple times about five years ago. They were superb....probably almost as good as the Psych Furs way back when. Then, I saw the Furs last year. LSL was WAY better than the latest touring version of the Furs. Though the the personnel is similar to the old version, something was missing....and the tapes of the horns and keys was distracting at best... PLUS, Richard Fortus came over to the new touring Furs and was completely underused. He was spectacular with LSL. Left ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:09:19 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Love Spit Furs I think my cat Aubrey wrote the subject line. Anyway... At 04:52 PM 4/16/2002 -0400, LeftyZ@aol.com wrote: >Saw them a couple times about five years ago. They were superb....probably >almost as good as the Psych Furs way back when. Then, I saw the Furs last >year. LSL was WAY better than the latest touring version of the Furs. >Though the the personnel is similar to the old version, something was >missing....and the tapes of the horns and keys was distracting at best... Melissa and I saw the Furs last fall, and we thought they were superb! There weren't any tapes at our show -- Gordon Raphael was playing keys, and he did the horn parts via one of his synths. The show also included a cover of Roxy Music's "Virginia Plain," which almost made up for Roxy Music not playing it when we saw them in Atlanta earlier that year. >PLUS, Richard Fortus came over to the new touring Furs and was completely >underused. He was spectacular with LSL. Fortus was originally booked for the entire tour, but then decided not to do it at the last minute, and he definitely wasn't at our show. I understand that he came back onboard midway through... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:12:41 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Love Spit Furs I couldn't make any of the tours stops, but the DVD from the tour is truly awesome. They sounded good as ever. - -Larry |-----Original Message----- |From: Miles Goosens [mailto:outdoorminer@mindspring.com] |Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 5:09 PM |To: quercian rosicrucian psychobabble |Subject: [loud-fans] Love Spit Furs | | |I think my cat Aubrey wrote the subject line. Anyway... | |At 04:52 PM 4/16/2002 -0400, LeftyZ@aol.com wrote: | >Saw them a couple times about five years ago. They were |superb....probably >almost as good as the Psych Furs way back |when. Then, I saw the Furs last >year. LSL was WAY better |than the latest touring version of the Furs. >Though the the |personnel is similar to the old version, something was |>missing....and the tapes of the horns and keys was |distracting at best... | |Melissa and I saw the Furs last fall, and we thought they were |superb! There weren't any tapes at our show -- Gordon Raphael |was playing |keys, and he did the horn parts via one of his synths. | |The show also included a cover of Roxy Music's "Virginia Plain," which |almost made up for Roxy Music not playing it when we saw them |in Atlanta |earlier that year. | | >PLUS, Richard Fortus came over to the new touring Furs and |was completely >underused. He was spectacular with LSL. | |Fortus was originally booked for the entire tour, but then |decided not to |do it at the last minute, and he definitely wasn't at our show. I |understand that he came back onboard midway through... | |later, | |Miles | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 22:59:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tape review (Cyndy Patrick's GIN-SOAKED BOY, Side A) On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, jer fairall wrote: > Sparks, "Here Comes Bob" > A very confusing band to me as I've heard a > handful of their songs, none of which sound at > all alike. This one sounds kinda classical and > thus not at all like "Cool Places" or "The Number > One Song In Heaven." Sparks is a very confusing band to anyone. Stylistically, they've been all over the map. Their earliest work is sort of warped pop, and they've gone through phases glammish, discoid, and other... This one's from either the first or second album (I have a single-CD reish of both) and, curiously, just made one of *my* swap tapes... Oh - I'd say it's only classical-sounding because there's a string quartet on it - stylistically, it's sorta "Eleanor Rigby" at double speed. > John Cale, "Paris 1919" > Flows perfectly from the last track as this > is another classical sounding piece. I tend to > get him and John *Cage* confused a lot--Cale is > the one from Velvet Underground, right? Right. - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 23:38:23 -0500 From: Jack Lippold Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Sparks; was Tape review (Cyndy Patrick's GIN-SOAKED BOY, Side A) >Sparks is a very confusing band to anyone. Stylistically, they've been all >over the map. Their earliest work is sort of warped pop, and they've gone >through phases glammish, discoid, and other... This one's from either the >first or second album (I have a single-CD reish of both) and, curiously, >just made one of *my* swap tapes... "...Bob" is from the 2nd album - "A Woofer in Tweeter's Clothing". Although many Sparks fans might disagree, the first 2 albums are my favorite: "Woofer/Tweeter" and the Rundgren-produced 1st album. The sound is more organic and the Mankey brothers backup to the Maels add an interesting element to the overall effect. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 02:31:18 -0400 From: timv@triad.rr.com Subject: [loud-fans] Why they put that paper stuff inside CD cases I was listening to wncw.org a little earlier this evening and heard a stunning new Pepper-esque pop song. Luckily the title of the song was easy to identify as "Building Atlantis." And it was distinctive, as opposed to something like "Time" or "I Love You", so it only took one Google search to find out that it's the lead track off Spirit Touches Ground, the posthumously-released Josh Clayton-Felt CD that came out a couple of months ago. A few minutes later the dj back-announced the set of songs and named that one, then added, "Great song... You're going to be hearing a lot more from that guy." Uhh, no. The point of "posthumously-released" is that sadly we won't be hearing a lot more from him. Of all the lines of throw-away dj patter he could have used at that particular moment... It's really a wonderful song though... Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 02:36:12 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why they put that paper stuff inside CD cases timv@triad.rr.com wrote: > the posthumously-released Josh Clayton-Felt CD that came > out a couple of months ago. Did he die, or is he just not doing music anymore? I hope it's just the latter, but I really don't know, so please enlighten me. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 02:41:59 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why they put that paper stuff inside CD cases In a message dated 4/17/02 2:36:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sleeveless@citynet.net writes: > Did he die, or is he just not doing music anymore? I hope it's just the > latter, but I really don't know, so please enlighten me. > > He died from a rare form of brain cancer, and what makes this doubly tragic is that he'd been having a lot of record biz troubles, dropped from his label and and things like that. He had finally got everything straightened out when he died. So his family finished all the things on the business end and got the album released. Does anyone remember his one hit with his old band School Of Fish, 3 Strange Days. I used to have both SOF albums and lost them, and then never found replacements. Great albums, both of them. And Building Atlantis is a great song. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 02:52:12 -0400 From: timv@triad.rr.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why they put that paper stuff inside CD cases On 17 Apr 2002, at 2:36, jenny grover wrote: > timv@triad.rr.com wrote: > > > the posthumously-released Josh Clayton-Felt CD that came > > out a couple of months ago. > > Did he die, or is he just not doing music anymore? I hope it's just the > latter, but I really don't know, so please enlighten me. The former. He died of cancer at the age of 32 as he was just completing this album. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 02:54:57 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why they put that paper stuff inside CD cases > He died from a rare form of brain cancer, and what makes this doubly tragic is that he'd been having a lot of record biz troubles, > dropped from his label and and things like that. He had finally got everything straightened out when he died. So his family finished all > the things on the business end and got the album released. > Does anyone remember his one hit with his old band School Of Fish, 3 Strange Days. I used to have both SOF albums and lost > them, and then never found replacements. Great albums, both of them. And Building Atlantis is a great song. > Andrea Yes, I remember that song. I even have the video off TV. I have "Inarticulate Nature Boy" and will certainly look into the new one. Jen ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #140 *******************************