From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #119 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, March 29 2002 Volume 02 : Number 119 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Old Dude from Ratt Video ["O Geier" ] [loud-fans] Singer Lyle Lovett Trampled by Bull, Breaks Leg ["O Geier" ] Re: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've gotten in a while [Miles Goosens ] [loud-fans] Best of 2002 ["richblath" ] RE: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've got ten in a while ["Keegstra, Russell" ] Re: [loud-fans] Billy Wilder [jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu] [loud-fans] just had to share ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've gotten in a while [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Re: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've gotten in a while [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Re: Re: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've gotten in a while [] Re: Re: Re: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've gotten in a while [Roger Wi] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:51:01 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] Old Dude from Ratt Video Did you hear? Remember, he played an old guy, and, oh man, he wore a dress and played his wife as well! Too funny. What a great song from Ratt too! Wonder what happened to them.... I understand he was on TV back in the 30'sor 40's, but man, nobody's showing that Ratt video, his best work!!! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:53:55 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] Singer Lyle Lovett Trampled by Bull, Breaks Leg The title says it all.


Support anti-Spam legislation.
Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/

_________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:01:54 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] another swap review >8- It's Cold Outside- The Choir >One of those classics I've heard so much and never remember who it's >by. Del Shannon? Anyway, very nice cover. This is the original, though maybe you've heard the cover version by Stiv Bators! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:12:37 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] another swap review At 09:01 AM 3/28/02 -0500, Aaron Milenski wrote: >>8- It's Cold Outside- The Choir >>One of those classics I've heard so much and never remember who it's >>by. Del Shannon? Anyway, very nice cover. > >This is the original, though maybe you've heard the cover version by Stiv >Bators! There's also a pretty terrific version on the new Queers album, out in early May. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:51:46 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] another swap review At 11:55 PM 3/27/02 -0500, jenny grover wrote: >First, my thanks to Stewart for an interesting mix tape (no, I don't >hate it and am just reluctant to say so!) and a yummy looking recipe for >Texas Pecan Pie! Wasn't expecting that! He titled this mix "Wider than >a Mile," and that could be said of the styles of its contents. And, >Stewart- turn those levels down! I ended up with some rather nasty >overdrive distortion. Sorry about that! I'm also sorry to M.D. Robbins and Mike Curley, to whom I owe a tape each. What with the move and all, I'm running behind on this sort of thing. >side one >1- Fleas Don't Fly- Arnold >Soft, dreamy pop with some Pink Floyd-esque repeating undiminished vocal >echoes in the first verse. Pleasant. Is Arnold a band or one person >doing it all? It's a trio from rural southern England -- this is from their first album, HILLSIDE. >4- Looks Like Rain- The Bevis Frond >Jangle pop of a more intimate nature. I like the vocals. He has a nice >quality to his voice. Something about the song structure and vocal >metering reminds me of Mike Johnson. Aaron M. is after me to check out >more of this guy's stuff, and I think I shall. As I've always said, the best Bevis Frond album ever is 1991's NEW RIVER HEAD, although this is from 1999's VAVONA BURR. >7- The Boys Are Back In Town- The Cardigans >Ack! A band I particularly dislike gives a wimpy 70's, almost disco, >pop treatment to the rousing classic, effectively emasculating it. They >should be arrested. I think the emasculation was the point. I think some of it might be lost in translation, but I've always thought the Cardigans' lounge-pop period (circa LIFE -- this is an EP track from that era) was rather pointedly sarcastic. Few other ways to explain another track from this EP, an a cappella rendition of Ozzy's "Mr. Crowley." >13- Laughing Into A Teapot- Todd Dillingham >Hooky garage pop with cheesy organ. Right up my alley. Tell me more! Todd's a mate of my friend Terry Burrows, who plays the aforementioned cheesy organ on this track. He was a psych-pop DIY guy for several years in the late '80s and early '90s, self-releasing a number of albums, most of which have to do with fish in some way or another. (This one is from an album called ASTRAL WHELKS.) He lost interest in music around 1995 and hasn't done a thing since. >1- Elizabeth Montgomery's Face- The Embarrassment >I seem to remember hearing this on college radio. A fun bass and surf >guitar romp with that Western feel and punctuated vocals. I like >everything I've heard by this band. I should buy something. The two-disc comp HEYDAY is pretty much all you need, I think. >2- Savoir Faire- Family Fodder >Girl vocal synth pop with tons of kick drum and shifty, perky rhythms. >Where are they from? London by way of Paris, where the two main folks (the singer and the songwriter) were from, which partially explains why the bridge of this song is in French for no good reason. Family Fodder were sort of like a proto-Elephant 6 from the early '80s: every song had a different lineup and a different musical style. >7- Moonlight Feels Right- Starbuck >Alright, this is the most jarring segue on the tape! I kinda liked this >when it came out, probably due to over-immersion and boredom, barely >enough to buy the 45. After a while I decided it was a cheesy piece of >crap and sold it. You know what? I'm holding with my latter opinion. As I've said many times, I strongly believe that this song was actually recorded by space aliens: every detail is just a little bit off, from the weird chuckle before every chorus, the solo (a *marimba* solo???), and the way the production makes it sound like no humans were involved at all in its construction. >8- Nomads- The High Llamas >A plucky rhythm banjo, string section, some horns, and a song that >sounds like a TV sitcom theme song. Is this typical of this band? If >so, it's a pretty strange path for a band to take. Pretty much, yeah! >9- All You Need Is A Fertile Mind- Gene Marshall >A strange, old-style pop song praising sexual fantasy as a means of >improving on the partner you have. When did this come out (the song, I >mean, not the idea)? Sometime in the '60s. This is from one of Phil Milstein's collections of song-poems, the results of those "send us your lyrics" ads in the back of magazines. This may well be my all-time favorite song poem, though the immortal "I'm Just the Other Woman" comes close. Thanks for the review! S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:03:41 -0800 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've gotten in a while At 10:29 PM -0500 3/27/02, jenny grover wrote: > > If it makes you feel any better, I often have the same experience >> with East Coast bands that I like (and Canadian, and Midwestern... ). > >Well, no, it doesn't make me feel better, it just makes me feel bad for >you too. Well, that's very egalitarian of you. :-) >I think what upsets me more than a band just admitting they >can't afford a full-scale tour, or just saying that they don't really >want to tour the whole country, is a band that year after year says, >"Yes, we are going to play a real US tour, and do the East Coast and >South and Midwest," and then they go tour all over Europe, come home and >do a bunch more West Coast shows, and then never do any more. Then we >get it again, "We'll be coming out East to play, for real, soon," and >then we wait, and wait.... If they can afford multiple tours of Europe >and Australia, they can afford to tour East. OK, I can see where that would be annoying. I don't think I've ever had that particular experience - or if I have, I blocked it out. So speaking of music, has anyone heard any truly great 2002 releases yet? I've gotten a bunch of things I like a lot - Cornelius, Eels, Nerissa & Katryna Nields, Ed Harcourt, the Eban & Charley soundtrack - - but I haven't really fallen in love with anything yet. Which is late in the year for me. I've got high hopes for Stew's new one, which comes out April 2nd. And I've heard really good things about Caitlin Cary's new one (ex-Whiskeytown, and always my favorite part of Whiskeytown at that). What am I missing out on? - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:51:33 -0600 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] another swap review >>7- Moonlight Feels Right- Starbuck >>...cheesy piece of crap... >...recorded by space aliens... ...and which I still cannot help but confuse with "Afternoon Delight" by Starland Vocal Band. Too many musical, nominal, and temporal similarities. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:09:53 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've gotten in a while At 11:23 PM 3/27/2002 -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, jenny grover wrote: > >> you too. I think what upsets me more than a band just admitting they > >> then we wait, and wait.... If they can afford multiple tours of Europe >> and Australia, they can afford to tour East. > >But what a band can "afford" is dependent upon where their audience is. If >they're "big in Japan" or in Europe, they can afford to tour there - >whereas if no one's heard of them on the east coast, they can't. You go >where your fans are. As Jen's already said, the bands I have in mind are ones that have followings all over the country, and when they do deign to play outside the standard West Coast -> Chicago -> NYC "Tour of America," they draw very well. To take my prior Robyn Hitchcock and Richard Thompson examples, they've played seven total Nashville dates in the 13 1/2 years I've lived here, and they've packed the venues every single time. So the "we don't have fans in Nashville" excuse isn't valid, and I think people would still turn out if Nashville gigs became more frequent than summer Olympic years. Or to take a more galling example, Yo La Tengo: despite recording their last three albums here, they've played Nashville three times ever. One of them was sometime in the early '90s at Elliston Square, predating their vault to indie prominence with PAINFUL. Another was a surprise gig at Lucy's Record Shop after they wrapped up recording I CAN HEAR THE HEART BEATING AS ONE, which out-of-the-loop folks like me found out about a week after the fact. So they finally played a Nashville show that everyone knew about in advance and could buy tickets for in advance on *March 27th, 2000,* at the Belcourt Theater. Of course it sold out, the performance was rapturously received, etc. When Yo La Tengo took the stage, Ira muttered something like "Um, we're here a lot, but for some reason, ummm, we don't seem to play here a lot." "For some reason?" Name one. And bite me, Ira Kaplan. So to get back to the point, these bands are avoiding places where they'd draw well, which makes no kind of sense to me. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:18:24 -0600 From: Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've gotten in a while Yeah, it must be rough living around Nashville... I mean, you guys hardly get ANY music there! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:20:43 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've gotten in a while At 11:09 AM 3/28/02 -0600, Miles Goosens wrote: >So to get back to the point, these bands are avoiding places where they'd >draw well, which makes no kind of sense to me. It does to me, in a way. Touring is not just about being able to draw in certain cities, it's about being able to score gigs on your way from Draw City A to Draw City B. The only reason anyone ever plays Albuquerque is because it's an approximate midpoint between Austin and Los Angeles and they can schedule a weekday gig there and at least be able to put some gas and food money in the kitty. (For this reason, Yo La Tengo has played Albuquerque about four times in the last six or seven years.) Nashville's a fine city and all, but it's only on the way if you're going from, say, Chicago to Atlanta, and tours tend to be either north-south or (more commonly) east-west. I can't think of any other potential draw cities for an indie-type band on that stretch of I-40, anyway. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:40:25 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've gotten in a while At 11:18 AM 3/28/2002 -0600, Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com wrote: >Yeah, it must be rough living around Nashville... I mean, you guys hardly >get ANY music there! Heh. Yeah, my sob stories don't compare to those of folks who live in areas where just about all that comes around are arena bands (i.e., where I was the 21 years before moving here). No question about that. We've also been the beneficiaries of a thriving local rock/alt-country scene -- the late '90s surpassed even the mid-to-late-'80s for Nashville rock. One of the best things about living here is getting to see Jason & the Scorchers, the Shazam, the Features, Tommy Womack, Owsley, and lots of other local worthies on a regular basis, not to mention the Knoxville artists (Scott Miller, Superdrag, R.B. Morris) who play here a lot too. But most shows in town are still industry-diven Music-Row-singer/songwriter-in-the-round insular ass-kissingfests. So unless you think seeing Fred Knoblauch, Jonelle Mosser, and Don Schlitz trade off verses while you're being shushed by Lucinda's drunken society-girl entourage in the Bluebird Cafe sounds like great entertainment, it can still be a pretty barren entertainment calendar. And being passed over on a band's national tour still stings -- I mean, I understood why Husker Du wasn't playing Roanoke, VA, so I didn't even bother to get worked up about the lack of shows. And when we got a good one in the region (R.E.M. at Radford VA or Charleston WV, Squeeze/dB's at Radford), it was a bonus and a total delight. But there's no good reason for Echo and the Bunnymen to skip Nashville. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:07:58 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've gotten in a while At 12:20 PM 3/28/2002 -0500, Stewart Mason wrote: >At 11:09 AM 3/28/02 -0600, Miles Goosens wrote: >>So to get back to the point, these bands are avoiding places where they'd >>draw well, which makes no kind of sense to me. > >It does to me, in a way. Touring is not just about being able to draw in >certain cities, it's about being able to score gigs on your way from Draw >City A to Draw City B. The only reason anyone ever plays Albuquerque is >because it's an approximate midpoint between Austin and Los Angeles and >they can schedule a weekday gig there and at least be able to put some gas >and food money in the kitty. (For this reason, Yo La Tengo has played >Albuquerque about four times in the last six or seven years.) Nashville's >a fine city and all, but it's only on the way if you're going from, say, >Chicago to Atlanta, and tours tend to be either north-south or (more >commonly) east-west. I can't think of any other potential draw cities for >an indie-type band on that stretch of I-40, anyway. I don't doubt that this comes into play in the minds of tour promoters, but I think it's a largely bogus notion. Let's see, to take Stewart's I-40 observation, there's Memphis, which is another 1,000,000+ urban area (though former resident Mr. McGreevey might have some insight there on indie prospects or lack thereof), and Knoxville, which has an enormous public university and its own good local club scene. To look at the larger regional picture, there's no reason an L.A. -> Albuquerque -> Austin -> New Orleans tour couldn't veer somewhat north from there and have Memphis -> Nashville -> Chapel Hill as the leg to DC. Or if you still want to include Atlanta, it's an easy four-hour drive veering only slightly southeast, and bouncing back up to Chapel Hill and then on to DC is no problem. Birmingham is another 1,000,000+ urban area just three hours south of Nashville, and a good option if Memphis isn't a viable gig. Plus plenty of tours make their *only* southern stop in Atlanta, which often requires the tour to pass *through* Nashville going from the previous midwest stop to Atlanta, or from Atlanta to the midwest. Why not sit down for a while and play, and pick up an extra paycheck before hitting Hotlanta or Indy or St. Louis? It's worth noting that the Loud Family usually had a southern leg to their tours (though no Scott Nashville shows since When Gil Met Stacey), so I'm not carping about them at all. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:19:53 -0800 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] NYC band in SF on saturday saturday night, 8pm (or 8:30, depending on where you look) Bitch & Animal - http://www.bitchandanimal.com/index.html - NYC with Bonfire Madigan - http://www.butterflydreams.com/bonfiremadigan/index.html - Seattle? Brava Theatre (415) 641-7657 2789 24th Street, San Francisco $12, all ages the unfortunate truth is that the whole thing sounds a bit sketchy, but i'll be there if it happens. i picked up B&A's _eternally_hard_ as one of my i've-never-heard-of-this albums on a used cd store run, and loved it immediately. very funky, folky, punky pop. if that makes any sense. you'd have to hear it. B&A - toured/will tour with ani defranco, two albums (_what's_that_smell?_ and _eternally_hard_) Reviews: "Indeed, after one listen to the duo's sophomore disc, Eternally Hard, with its torrid brew of sexually and politically charged spoken-sung lyrics, stripped-down instrumentation, and assorted tribal-edged percussion, you'll understand what she means. Not that the two aren't more than adept on their instruments-Animal's percussive use of djembes, steel drums, gongs, and even body parts is inspiring, while Bitch is equally skilled on electric bass and violin (and both even play ukulele). ... Cuts like "Best Cock on the Block" and "Boy Girl Wonder" are gender-bending rap-punk jaunts that serve to better describe how Animal self-identifies than the term she offers: "mo-sexual queep" (queep being short for "queer people"). Tracks like "Ganja" are perhaps more frivolous, while folkish songs like "Miss Me My Dear" are more earnest and musically sparse."- The Avocate "The frank 'n' funny pair blended rap, funk, pop, folk and spoken word in a giddy 45-minute performance that celebrated the female body, lesbian sex and pot smoking. Most of this personal-is-political material came from their second album, "Eternally Hard," co-produced by feminist singer-songwriter Ani DiFranco. As colorful and animated as two sex-positive Muppets, the musically adept young women were strikingly complementary. Bitch was the tall, wildly ponytailed, classically trained violinist and bassist. Animal, playing djembe and ukulele, was short, Mohawked and bursting with human-beat-box noises. Though they're not a novelty act, their goofiness was both charming to the like-minded and nonthreatening enough to intrigue skeptics. " - LA Times i can't find anything much on Madigan, and i've never heard htem, and i've got no speakers here, so i guess you pays your money and you takes your chances. best PP on B&A: "One freewheeling manifesto is aimed at freeing the popular slang word for vagina from its association with the pejorative and make it a positive term. Some numbers were purely fun romps, while others struck more somber emotional notes. Animal's rap on the travails of a well-equipped lesbian playa was not only decidedly gender-bent but also a brilliant sendup of hip-hop's sexual braggadocio." - LA Times heh? - -- brianna - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:45:24 -0000 From: "richblath" Subject: [loud-fans] Best of 2002 > So speaking of music, has anyone heard any truly great 2002 releases > yet? I've gotten a bunch of things I like a lot - Cornelius, Eels, > Nerissa & Katryna Nields, Ed Harcourt, the Eban & Charley soundtrack > - but I haven't really fallen in love with anything yet. Which is > late in the year for me. I've got high hopes for Stew's new one, > which comes out April 2nd. And I've heard really good things about > Caitlin Cary's new one (ex-Whiskeytown, and always my favorite part > of Whiskeytown at that). What am I missing out on? > -- > Elizabeth Not too much so far. The best of my bunch being Trailer Tales by Daryll-Ann, a fine Dutch guitar band that I've proclaimed on-list before. This album is much more pared down in the main and contains by far the most beautiful song in a long while (Swords and Words). I'm currently playing Holes in theWall by the Electric Soft Parade, a British pop/rock act consisting of 2 brothers from the south of the country. The album is almost power-pop at times but with rockier bits tht sometimes verge on the prog. The new albums from Cracker and The Church have also each spent quite a lot of time on the deck this year, the latter being far more consistent than then former, imho. I've also spent a fair amount of time catching up on some fine stuff that I missed from last year including the Grip Weeds Summer of a Thousand Years and The Shins Oh Inverted World. Some thing we get earlier over here, some much, much later! Richard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:03:17 -0600 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've got ten in a while Miles: >Yeah, my sob stories don't compare to those of folks who >live in areas where just about all that comes around are >arena bands I have to drive two hours to see arena bands. Theoretically, I could do shows in LA. But it had better be a good show. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:18:24 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] another swap review Aaron Milenski wrote: > > >8- It's Cold Outside- The Choir > >One of those classics I've heard so much and never remember who it's > >by. Del Shannon? Anyway, very nice cover. > > This is the original, Woops! Maybe it's just because I haven't heard it in a long time and it sounds different on my stereo. It seemed like the vocals were a little different, though. Maybe someone else covered it and that got played a lot too. > though maybe you've heard the cover version by Stiv > Bators! Don't think I've heard that one! Should be interesting, though. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:47:13 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've gotten in a while Waitaminute... bands *tour*?!? You mean like they go on the road and play shows in cities other than the one they are based in? Is this a common occurrence? I don't think I've ever experienced that phenomenon here in Denver. Well, occasionally some band will stop and play a show on the way to Salt Lake City. Is that the kind of thing you're talking about? Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:03:09 EST From: GlenSarvad@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Touring Woes The recent exchange on touring slights piqued my interest. As an Atlanta resident, I’m convinced we only get as many shows as we do through the grace of Chapel Hill. I’m often embarrassed by the size of crowds for club-level bands I think of as reasonably well-known. If there wasn’t another well-developed stopping point south of DC, I suspect many van-driving bands would U-turn right there. Athens also provides a pull, and a next day’s show within a painless drive. There’s a developing trend of bands bypassing Atlanta and playing only Athens- and I’ve done the 75 miles (one way) a few times as a result. I sympathize with towns like Nashville, particularly if shows that *were* booked drew fairly well. But I think another factor is that most bands have a finite limit to the time they can/want to spend on the road, regardless of the opportunity. And you know they’re never going to skip NY, Boston, DC, et al, so the number of dates for the other cities to compete for is limited. As for touring Europe, I think there are a few more factors to consider: 1) Most bands view it as much more of an adventure/vacation than schlepping around the tired ol’ US; 2) It’s a compact place- there’s a remarkable number of viable stops within the driving distance of, say, Boston to Atlanta; 3) There’s simply a more hospitable pub culture in Europe that seems to result in more clubgoing and (apparently) a lower financial threshold of what constitutes a successful evening. Amazing how this goes hand-in-hand with fewer age restrictions and earlier start times too, huh? Having said all that, I’m still pissed that I’ve never seen Tom Waits other than performing in Frank’s Wild Years. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:19:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Downing Subject: [loud-fans] Billy Wilder Variety is reporting that Billy Wilder passed away last night. Billy Wilder dies at 95 3/28/02 11:25am Viennese-born Billy Wilder, one of Hollywood's greatest writer-directors, died Wednesday night of pneumonia at his home in Beverly Hills. He was 95. Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:32:29 -0500 (EST) From: jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Billy Wilder Quoting Jeff Downing : > Variety is reporting that Billy Wilder passed away last night. If you're ever stuck for a choice at the video store, and they have a decent selection of older films, you almost can't go wrong by choosing something directed or written by Wilder. One that especially interests me is FORTUNE COOKIE, which I think of as his REAR WINDOW (as in, contemplates the nature of the film medium). It's the first screen pairing of Walter Matthau and Jack Lemmon, by the way (THE ODD COUPLE was their second, two years later), and they had that chemistry right from the get-go. Billy Wilder never disappointed me until he said FORREST GUMP was a good film. But obviously he was senile by then. Nobody's perfect! JS - ------------------------------------------------- BROOKLYN LAW SCHOOL WEBMAIL: info.brooklaw.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:18:37 -0800 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] just had to share in the interest of not murdering my "superiors".... so we're working on this project, and they sent us these terrible graphics, which i cleaned up us much as i could, and now they're complaining that the pop-up pages look blurry. well, the "pages" are full page screen shots of html pages that they shrunk to fit some size requirement, then optimized, and saved as .jpg files - which means they'll look blurry forever. but they keep forgetting that those are not html pages - they're images. so i keep getting these emails saying "the pages are blurry - i can't read them". no shit. really? i told my supervisor i was going to have to do a search-and-replace and remove all the tags. if that's not enough, this afternoon they sent an email to 19 rather high-up people saying, "Please review this ASAP. This product launches tomorrow but we will not be driving traffic to it until Sunday night." oh! well, then! they won't drive traffic to it til sunday? that's PLENTY of time... the conflicting requests for changes are rolling in... 'abbreviate the name', 'don't abbreviate anything', blah blah blah... and they all start with the irritating phrase, "Can you just..." just. if i hear the word 'just' one more time... i suppose i'm working this weekend? - -- b - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:44:38 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've gotten in a while On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > Or to take a more galling example, Yo La Tengo: despite recording their > last three albums here, they've played Nashville three times ever. One of > them was sometime in the early '90s at Elliston Square, predating their > vault to indie prominence with PAINFUL. Another was a surprise gig at > Lucy's Record Shop after they wrapped up recording I CAN HEAR THE HEART > BEATING AS ONE, which out-of-the-loop folks like me found out about a week > after the fact. So they finally played a Nashville show that everyone knew > about in advance and could buy tickets for in advance on *March 27th, > 2000,* at the Belcourt Theater. Of course it sold out, the performance was > rapturously received, etc. When Yo La Tengo took the stage, Ira muttered > something like "Um, we're here a lot, but for some reason, ummm, we don't > seem to play here a lot." "For some reason?" Name one. And bite me, Ira > Kaplan. So, what - Ira Kaplan's just got some bug up his butt about playing Nashville? I'm guessing that it's more complex than that...a combination of the factors people have mentioned, and maybe another one: who knows that for some reason, the booking person at the club most suitable for a YLT gig maybe doesn't like YLT, or Ira, or got snubbed by Georgia, or made an anti-cat joke within hearing of James McNew, who then yelled at him and pissed him off... I can't help but think that in cases where there's no compelling business reason to/not to play, there must be some personal or taste-oriented factor involved. I suspect if you asked around (including Ira Kaplan), you might find out. The alternative is just, "for some reason" YLT just wants to piss you off, Miles. Tone is notoriously hard to read in e-mail...but in your recounting of that story, it sounded to me like Kaplan was implying something like what I describe above: there *is* a reason, but he didn't want to talk about, or people in the know would know, or something like that. Anybody who actually books bands, or is/was in a touring band, care to speak to the weirdnesses and quirks of where a band plays? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Being young, carefree, having your whole life ahead of you, ::dancing the night away to celebrate... ::oh, and the untimely death of Jackson Pollock. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:13:34 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've gotten in a while >Anybody who actually books bands, or is/was in a touring band, care to >speak to the weirdnesses and quirks of where a band plays? As none of the above, I can think of one--though it's apocryphal. From what I've heard, U2 played Seattle circa 1981, and Bono's lyric notebook got stolen. He had to concoct lyrics for OCTOBER on short notice, one big reason that album sounds disappointing next to BOY. And, again from what I've heard, the band's never played Seattle (Seatac and Tacoma don't count), since. Though anybody who knows more, I'd be happy to read. Is "gigology" a word? Andy Aussie actress Rachel Griffiths was embarrassed the first time she met Rob Lowe, because he was the subject of her first "wet dream" - at 13. Rachel recently bumped into the actor at a Hollywood party and admits she didn't know where to look. She says of the dream, "We were in some ruined cathedral and this marvellous grass carpet was covering the ruins. I honestly think it was my first orgasm. I gave it to Rob." And, on meeting him at the party, she recalls, "The crowds parted and there was Rob, giving me this big dazzling smile. I wanted to call out, 'If only you knew what we'd done together.'" [--from the Internet Movie Database's "Celebrity News" for March 27, 2002] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:24:13 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've gotten in a while On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:44:38 -0600 (CST) Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >taste-oriented factor involved. I suspect if you >asked around (including Ira Kaplan), you might >find out. I tried 1-800-IRA-RATE, but the message said to call back during normal business hours. And something about variable annuities. Who knew that they offered 15-minute feedback jams *and* valuable financial planning advice? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:35:09 -0800 (PST) From: Jer Fairall Subject: Re: [loud-fans] another swap review > 3- Confusion is Nothing New- Beechwood Sparks Any connection with Cyndi Lauper's "Time After Time?" > 7- The Boys Are Back In Town- The Cardigans > Ack! A band I particularly dislike And for years I thought I was the only one... Jer PS - 2002 has been off to a really slow start, album-wise, for me but I still have new albums by Tullycraft, Wilco, Patty Griffin, K's Choice, The Reputation and (what's left of) the Nields to look forward to within the next month or so. np: Tears for Fears, THE HURTING ===== Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:44:13 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Re: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've gotten in a while On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 outdoorminer@mindspring.com wrote: > On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:44:38 -0600 (CST) Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > >taste-oriented factor involved. I suspect if you > >asked around (including Ira Kaplan), you might > >find out. > > I tried 1-800-IRA-RATE, but the message said to call back during normal > business hours. And something about variable annuities. Who knew that > they offered 15-minute feedback jams *and* valuable financial planning > advice? I think there's a website - www.drjoelkaplan.com (Ira's bro, perhaps?) - which does suggest that Kaplan's got a swollen head. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::No man is an island. ::But if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, ::they make a pretty good raft. __Max Cannon__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:05:31 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: Re: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've gotten in a while On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:44:13 -0600 (CST) Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >I think there's a website - www.drjoelkaplan.com > (Ira's bro, perhaps?) - which does suggest > that Kaplan's got a swollen head. Jeff, how many times I have I told you to filter all messages where the "from:" field includes "Hamlin" or "Winston" directly to the Trash folder? Sheesh. later, Miles O'Keefe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:26:03 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've gotten in a while I can certainly understand a band having an aversion to a particular place because of unpleasant memories, but it's hard to use that as an excuse for cities they have never played before. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:14:16 -0500 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Billy Wilder I said: >One that especially interests me is FORTUNE COOKIE, which I think of as his >REAR WINDOW (as in, contemplates the nature of the film medium). There's a word missing there. I meant to say "the *voyeuristic* nature" of film. Nobody's blah blah blah, JS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:15:54 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: Re: Re: [loud-fans] the best we're-playing-come-see-us email i've gotten in a while At Thursday 3/28/2002 11:05 PM -0500, outdoorminer@mindspring.com wrote: >On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:44:13 -0600 (CST) Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > wrote: > >I think there's a website - www.drjoelkaplan.com > > (Ira's bro, perhaps?) - which does suggest > > that Kaplan's got a swollen head. > >Jeff, how many times I have I told you to filter all messages where the >"from:" field includes "Hamlin" or "Winston" directly to the Trash >folder? Sheesh. Those filters never work. As soon as you set them up, the spammers figure out some way around them. Is $299 too much to pay for a penis enlargement system? Gawd, that thing looks scary. Looks powerful enough to suck the toupee right off William Shatner's head. Are these things licensed or regulated? Just a guy from Lakewood trying to make ends meet, Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #119 *******************************