From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #113 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, March 23 2002 Volume 02 : Number 113 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Ice, ice, baby! [Roger Winston ] [loud-fans] RE: veggie-less burger ["Kunkel, Mark" ] Re: [loud-fans] why? (pt. 5,392) [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] Ice, ice, baby! ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] why? (pt. 5,392) ["me" ] [loud-fans] The Intro and the Outro [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] Ice, ice, baby! [jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu] [loud-fans] Burgers and monsters ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] Burgers and monsters [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] Amoebae [Elizabeth Brion ] Re: [loud-fans] veggie burgers [Elizabeth Brion ] [loud-fans] warning to flying cyborgs- [jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ice, ice, baby! At Friday 3/22/2002 02:02 AM -0500, John Sharples wrote: >But LIME -- oh, sweet lime, oh impossibly tangy LIME! -- is for me the >ultimate flavor, for all products, all fruit, and including all menu items, >food recipes, candy, soft drinks, underarm deodorant, aftershave, furniture >polish, floorwax stripping agent, depleted uranium, you name it. Says lime, I >buy it. Lime sucks. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:12:47 -0600 From: "Kunkel, Mark" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: veggie-less burger My 2 cents: The best burgers can be found at 5 Guys Burger and Fries in Arlington, VA. Or Dottie Dumpling's Dowry in Madison, WI, assuming they find a place at which to reopen. - -- Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:24:50 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ice, ice, baby! At 02:02 AM 3/22/2002 -0500, John Sharples wrote: >But LIME -- oh, sweet lime, oh impossibly tangy LIME! -- is for me the >ultimate flavor, for all products, all fruit, and including all menu items, >food recipes, candy, soft drinks, underarm deodorant, aftershave, furniture >polish, floorwax stripping agent, depleted uranium, you name it. There are strippers who'll wax your floors too? I must get in touch with this agent! later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:18:18 -0600 From: "Kunkel, Mark" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: veggie-less burgers, take 2 Oh my, I forgot to mention Crazy Jim's Blimpy Burgers in Ann Arbor! You want veggies? They got 'em! Battered and deep fried, that is! - -- Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:10:51 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] why? (pt. 5,392) So maybe I'm slightly desensitized today from having been exposed against my will yesterday to the emotion-porn of Jerry Springer and his ilk (I was getting my car's oil changed, and guess which channel the TV in the waiting area was tuned to?), but as I'm driving to work this morning I see a van in front of me with a bumper sticker reading SOMEONE I LOVE WAS MURDERED...and the first thing I think of is the inevitable follow-up line, to be placed directly below: AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS STUPID BUMPER STICKER. I mean, okay, I can't imagine what it's like to deal with that sort of pain...but I can imagine that the last thing I'd want to do with it is thrust it in the faces of all and sundry who happen to pass my van as I drive to the dry cleaners or whatever. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to respond to that - I guess I could write my congressmen and demand that murder be made illegal. Uh... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ np: Auto Interior _No Frill Halo Flight_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:14:08 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ice, ice, baby! On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > At 02:02 AM 3/22/2002 -0500, John Sharples wrote: > >But LIME -- oh, sweet lime, oh impossibly tangy LIME! -- is for me the > >ultimate flavor, for all products, all fruit, and including all menu items, > >food recipes, candy, soft drinks, underarm deodorant, aftershave, furniture > >polish, floorwax stripping agent, depleted uranium, you name it. > > There are strippers who'll wax your floors too? I must get in touch with > this agent! It's those cosmopolitan big city New Yorkers, Miles. We hicks in Nashville and Milwaukee have to make do with doing our own waxing. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, wondering if he should order Sharples a lime-flavored stripper J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::No man is an island. ::But if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, ::they make a pretty good raft. __Max Cannon__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:37:16 -0500 From: Betsy Lescosky Way Subject: [loud-fans] RE: veggie-less burgers, take 2 >Oh my, I forgot to mention Crazy Jim's Blimpy Burgers in Ann Arbor! You >want veggies? They got 'em! Battered and deep fried, that is! > >-- Mark Crazy Jim's is not for anyone afraid of clogged arteries. An optional topping for your burger is the fried egg. I haven't eaten there in years because, well, I'm afraid of clogged arteries. But they make the nicest snow sculptures of bears out front in the wintertime. And for that, I forgive Crazy Jim for deep frying the veggie burger. - --betsy - -- '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' betsy lescosky way betsiel@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~betsiel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:08:39 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: veggie-less burgers, take 2 At 10:37 AM 3/22/02 -0500, Betsy Lescosky Way wrote: >Crazy Jim's is not for anyone afraid of clogged arteries. An optional >topping for your burger is the fried egg. I haven't eaten there in >years because, well, I'm afraid of clogged arteries. I can beat the fried egg. Last week during my grand trek/tiresome slog (Arkansas was pretty much entirely under construction and Tennessee was pretty much entirely under water -- ever try to pull a Ryder truck out of 10 inches of squelchy mud?) to New England, Charity and I stopped for lunch at a diner in Henryetta, Oklahoma. The special was something called the Henryetta Burger: a 1/3-pound burger topped with bacon, cheese, lettuce, tomato, onion, pickle, ham and a split and grilled hot dog. To quote Drew Carey's comment on the Denny's bacon-and-cheese hot dog with chili, "This is food for people who just don't fucking care anymore." Wisely, I limited myself to a simple cheeseburger, which was actually quite good. However: the best fast-food burgers are from Whataburger. This is the ONLY fast-food burger that tastes like a proper diner burger does. I don't know where the best burger ever is anymore, because the place that used to have them, the Navajo Inn in Menard, Texas, is out of business. Fried eggs are really good on a plate of cheese enchiladas with green chile stew. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:22:28 -0500 From: Michael Bowen Subject: [loud-fans] Attn: all zine writers! 35 Things A Rock Critic Should Know http://www.austin360.com/aas/sxsw/music2002/14rockcritics.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:32:16 EST From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: veggie-less burgers, take 2 In a message dated 3/22/02 9:08:33 AM, flamingo@theworld.com writes: << Henryetta Burger: a 1/3-pound burger topped with bacon, cheese, lettuce, tomato, onion, pickle, ham and a split and grilled hot dog. >> We have something like that here in L.A. at a place called "The Shack" in Playa del Rey," though I don't think ham was included.....the "hot dog" is actually some kind of Polish sausage or something.... I tried it once.....great cure for a hangover. As for the best cheeseburger I've found in L.A. .....Try "Jack's" on Coldwater and the 101 Freeway in Studio City. The place is a total dump.....the size of a very small camping trailer....with a couple outside tables, but the guy knows what he's doing. Grilled to perfection. Lettuce, tomato, onion, pickles...and bad attitude. Tremedous flavor. Just the right amount of grease. Perfect fries....same size as McDonald's, but Jack actually cooks them so they aren't limp......and, sliced FRESH jalapenos for your pleasure. Pure cheeseburger heaven. Left ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:36:14 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: veggie-less burgers, take 2 Betsy Lescosky Way on 3/22/2002 8:37:16 AM wrote: > Crazy Jim's is not for anyone afraid of clogged arteries. An optional > topping for your burger is the fried egg. I haven't eaten there in > years because, well, I'm afraid of clogged arteries. One of my co-workers is afraid of whiteboard erasers. She will run screaming from the room if someone is erasing a whiteboard using a certain type of eraser. I'm a little unclear of what constitutes a "bad eraser" vs. a "good eraser" - can't really tell the difference myself. But there ya go. I'm afraid of buttons. Hey, an entire post where I'm not picking on Sharples or Miles! Hmmmm.... Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:55:18 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ice, ice, baby! My favorite story about Gatorade comes from one of those "blooper" books popular thirty years ago. Gatorade brought some of their product to the sidelines of a major league football game and interviewed players as they came off the field and had a drink on live TV. The first one said "This stuff tastes like piss!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:24:21 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] why? (pt. 5,392) Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > So maybe I'm slightly desensitized today from having been exposed against > my will yesterday to the emotion-porn of Jerry Springer and his ilk Oh boy, does this mean we can coin a new genre name- emo-porn? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:22:44 -0800 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ice, ice, baby! i'm not sure where you're located, but in CA we've got not one, not two, but THREE flavors of clear Ice Gatorade! the other two are orange and strawberry. yummmm.... straaaaawberry...... i got some while i was on vacation down here in january and couldn't find it in WA when i got back. i live in CA now. coincidence? you decide..... as for regular gatorade, when it first came out, my parents tried to give it to us kids when we were sick - it took threats and bribes to get me to drink it. the athletes were right - it DID taste like piss. - -- monkeys are funny. look at one and you will laugh, the hilarity http://students.washington.edu/dglasser/monkeys.html - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Sharples" To: "Sharing...caring..." Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 11:02 PM Subject: [loud-fans] Ice, ice, baby! > Today I am *so happy*! > > I am addicted to Gatorade. Have been for years. You fellow addicts may > recall that a few years ago the good people at Gatorade rolled out a new > flavor, the clear-colored "Lemon Ice." It was, simply, God's Own Beverage. I > remember reading an editorial in the Columbia University daily paper at the > time (during an especially scorching summer), wherein the author claimed that > Gatorade Lemon Ice was in fact the greatest beverage ever to grace this > Earth. > > I could hardly disagree. > > Imagine my despair, my dismay! when last summer, Lemon Ice disappeared -- > completely! -- from stores' shelves. The original Lemon-Lime was suitable, > the rest of the flavors, irrelevant. Since then, I led a life of just barely > making do. > > Yea, tonight I stopped by my local Pakistani-run convenience mart, needing a > resupply of Gatorade. Imagine my astonishment to discover a *new flavor*. > > Not just any new flavor. A *clear-colored* new flavor! My heartbeat > quickened. > > I read the label. "New, Lime Ice!" > > Holy fucking shit on a biscuit. > > Just so you know, in general terms, lemon is just okay--despite this mere > imperfection, Gatorade Lemon Ice was still the product to end all products! > But LIME -- oh, sweet lime, oh impossibly tangy LIME! -- is for me the > ultimate flavor, for all products, all fruit, and including all menu items, > food recipes, candy, soft drinks, underarm deodorant, aftershave, furniture > polish, floorwax stripping agent, depleted uranium, you name it. Says lime, I > buy it. > > But: > > *Lime* Ice!?? It was like not only being delivered from hell, but skipping > both purgatory and limbo, and getting an EZ-Pass straight to heaven. Oh, > Lord, oh Lordy, let me be *delivered*!! > > Gatorade Lime Ice is here. I've already polished two 20-oz bottles. I > couldn't even tell you how it compares to its predecessors. I'm too dazed, > entranced, excited to trust my tastebuds. We'll have to look into it > further. > > JS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:28:55 -0800 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] why? (pt. 5,392) emo-porn, huh? in case you're wondering "What the heck *is* emo, anyway?", here's a site about it: http://www.fourfa.com/ - -- brianna - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "jenny grover" Cc: "I've never had salt flats for breakfast before..." Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] why? (pt. 5,392) > Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > > > So maybe I'm slightly desensitized today from having been exposed against > > my will yesterday to the emotion-porn of Jerry Springer and his ilk > > Oh boy, does this mean we can coin a new genre name- emo-porn? > > Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:43:55 -0800 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: [loud-fans] The Intro and the Outro >To all who might soon visit California but don't know about In-N-Out >Burgers: oh my father of He Who Hogs Thy Ball: the absolute best hamburger I >have ever had. Surprisingly edible for fast food, but the best? Really? To each his own. They just opened one of these in Daly City (where I work), and sure enough, there are cars lined up around the block every day for the drive-through, despite the fact that there are at least three places nearby where you can get real hamburgers reasonably quickly, and an arguably better fast-food chain to boot (Nation's Giant Burger). It might be that the people who like In-N-Out are those who like their burgers more cooked than I do. To me, anything over medium rare is a waste of cow. My favorite burger in the Bay Area is Kirk's in Palo Alto. Some hold out for Clarke's, but while I adore their peanut butter shakes, their burgers don't quite match up. Gatorade Lemon Ice is/was pretty cool. For salt water. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:01:23 -0500 (EST) From: jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ice, ice, baby! Quoting me : the athletes were right - it DID taste like piss. How do you know? JS - ------------------------------------------------- BROOKLYN LAW SCHOOL WEBMAIL: info.brooklaw.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:14:49 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: [loud-fans] Burgers and monsters I'm a big In-and-Out fan, as well, but I would stop at the claim that they make the best *fast-food* hamburgers I've ever had. My favorite "real" burgers around here are at O'Sullivan's on Beacon Ave. in Somerville, although for "charm" you can't beat Mr. and Mrs. Bartley's College of Burger Knowledge (not quite it's actual name) in Harvard Square. (And for the feeling that you are probably going to be sick after finishing, I recommend the double cheeseburgers at Charlie's Kitchen (also in Harvard Square, but the other side).) Growing up in Dallas we frequented the almighty Chip's, which remains the only burger place I've ever been where they're so confident that they slice the completed burger right down the middle so you can verify at a glance that they've cooked it like you wanted. In unrelated news, last night Aaron and Cyndy and I got to see Hal Hartley himself introduce (and answer questions after) a Harvard Film Archive screening of his new Icelandic monster film, _No Such Thing_, which comes out in "limited release" next weekend. I'm quite certain it will provoke mixed reactions, but I'm firmly in the "it's brilliant" camp. Very highly recommended if you liked _Henry Fool_. glenn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:49:47 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Burgers and monsters > I'm a big In-and-Out fan, as well, but I would stop at the claim that they > make the best *fast-food* hamburgers I've ever had. I wholeheartedly second this. It's disappointing that they haven't moved into Oregon yet, but it is always on my list of things to do when I'm in California. Also, I recently read FAST FOOD NATION by Eric Schlosser and he holds up In-N-Out as an example of how fast food ought to be. He writes, "the chain pays the highest wages in the fast food industry...full time workers get a benefits package that includes medical, dental, vision and life insurance. The typical salary of an In-N-Out restaurant manager is more than $80,000 per year....The high wages at In-N-Out have not led to higher prices or lower quality food...there are no microwaves, heatlamps, or freezers in the kitchens...The ground beef is fresh, potatoes are peeled every day to make the fries, and the milk shakes are made from ice cream, not syrup." My last comment--Someone (Tim?) commented that any burger over medium rare was a waste of meat. It's my understanding that, with the fears of e.coli and other such things, regulations pretty much require that all fast food burgers be cooked to hell. - --Michael, who went to Burgerville for lunch. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:26:53 -0800 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Burgers and monsters >My last comment--Someone (Tim?) commented that any burger over medium rare >was a waste of meat. It's my understanding that, with the fears of e.coli >and other such things, regulations pretty much require that all fast food >burgers be cooked to hell. In California, it's illegal to cook meat less than medium unless the customer specifically requests it. I've been to places that misunderstood and thought that cooking meat rare was illegal. I don't know if fast-food places will cook your burger rare if you ask--the whole point is that everyone's in a hurry, so I don't like to get persnickety. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:43:37 -0500 (EST) From: jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Burgers and monsters Quoting glenn mcdonald : > I'm a big In-and-Out fan, as well, but I would stop at the claim that > they > make the best *fast-food* hamburgers I've ever had. My favorite "real" > burgers... That's actually what I meant, but was posting from the hip, as usual. There's no comparison between fast-food burgers and real burgers, if only because the fast food burgers, because they're thin and due to health concerns, are always well-done and, if you ask me, red meat tastes much much better when cooked rare/medium-rare. The best hamburger in New York City is reputedly at Smith & Wollensky Grill, but I haven't checked it out yet. But you can get outstanding burgers at virtually any of the ubiquitous Greek diners here. Someone explained to me the reason they are so good is turnover: they sell so many damn hamburgers at these joints the raw meat is always extremely fresh. And they'll cook'em rare/medium-rare for you if they want, they don't care if they kill you. No Coke, Pepsi. JS - ------------------------------------------------- BROOKLYN LAW SCHOOL WEBMAIL: info.brooklaw.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:25:59 -0600 From: triggercut Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Burgers Oooh! Oooh! I know this one, call on me! The burger cooking thing is pretty much up to the local communities to legislate, and up to the local health departments to regulate and enforce--but yeah, most communities do have an "unless otherwise specified, the center temperature of red meat must be 160 degrees" law (145 degrees is the minimum temperature to kill all bacteria--about medium-rare to medium; most such legislation tries to go a little over that minimum though. 160 degrees is just on the cusp of medium to medium-well). I'd suppose you *could* technically get a burger at the local fast food joint done rare or med rare...but that seems kind of dangerous. My restaurant is fine dining. I know we serve CAB steaks and beef. Our ground beef is USDA choice--that's why I can charge 8 bucks for a burger. My customers can order rare ground beef pretty safely--the grade of the meat is very high, and I trust my well-paid cooks to *not* put beef on the grill if it's warm, grey, glassy, or smells funny. I know they won't--they're encouraged to throw stuff away if there's even a slight question, and they happily follow through with that all the time. At a fast food joint, though, you're eating beef of questionable origin. It's usually going to be a frozen patty, but lord knows what grade of beef it is, or where it's from (probably South America, if memory serves) or how it was stored before it was frozen, or after it was frozen and went on the grill. It's going to be stored and prepared by workers who are laboring at wages that barely hit subsistence level--the odds of someone at that wage factor acting as a dependable quality control agent is pretty long. Finally, if you do order a fast food burger medium rare, you're going to stand there and wait 5-10 minutes anyway, which sort of defeats the "fast" part of the experience. If having a burger cooked in that fashion is the hook, find a decent restaurant near you that does to go food and use them. > >My last comment--Someone (Tim?) commented that any burger over medium rare > >was a waste of meat. It's my understanding that, with the fears of e.coli > >and other such things, regulations pretty much require that all fast food > >burgers be cooked to hell. > > In California, it's illegal to cook meat less than medium unless the customer > specifically requests it. I've been to places that misunderstood and thought > that cooking meat rare was illegal. I don't know if fast-food places will cook > your burger rare if you ask--the whole point is that everyone's in a hurry, so I > don't like to get persnickety. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:52:11 -0800 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Amoebae At 12:10 PM -0800 3/21/02, Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: > >That sounds like an improvement, but I wish they'd do the right thing and >commingle new and used, Powell's-style. Wow... I had no idea that some people actually liked this arrangement. It's the fastest way to make sure I never go back to a store again (although it doesn't bother me *quite* as much in bookstores, perhaps because bookstores are arranged so that everything is visible and music stores aren't). Seriously, never - to the point that we only have two CD stores in the county I live in, and I haven't gone into one of them since the first visit over a year ago. When I'm shopping for new CDs, I tend to know exactly what I want. In used bins, I'm usually looking for stuff I wouldn't have thought of buying that catches my eye. When everything's combined, that means I have to look through pretty much every CD in the store. If they had dividers for every single artist, I could work with that - - but nobody does. Truth is, I'm a slave to my carpal tunnel syndrome, shopping-wise. - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:08:10 -0800 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: [loud-fans] veggie burgers At 6:19 PM -0700 3/21/02, Roger Winston wrote: > >(Okay, I can understand not wanting to eat meat. At least you still >have cheese left. What I don't understand is why vegans don't just >cap themselves. Heck, if you're going to give up meat AND cheese, >you might as well take ALL the fun out of life and give up sex and >alcohol as well. But that's just my opinion. No offense intended >to all the fine non-dairy consumers on this List. Or to the >Christians or Libertarians.) I'm probably the wrong person to speak for all vegans, since I find a large percentage of them deeply annoying people who need to stop worrying about other people's eating habits, which are none of their damn business. But speaking for myself, meat and cheese were easy to quit. I never much liked either. The only meat-ish things I ever missed were bacon and the outside part of KFC Extra-Crispy. And I really only ever ate cheese on pizza, unless someone put a wheel of Brie in front of me. (I still think people are trying to trick you when they tell you the outside is edible!) Ice cream, now - ice cream was a scary bad monkey. Seeing as my motivation was that I had severe food allergies I hadn't been aware of, and had eaten so much of said foods that my body had completely given out on me at age 22, it was easier: Let's see, Ben & Jerry's Heath Bar Crunch or the ability to bathe myself without help? :-) (OK, actually, it wasn't quite as easy as you'd like to think it would be.) But after you've been away from the real thing for a while, some of the non-dairy substitutes are perfectly excellent. Some of them are still nasty after 14 years, though! It also helps that I'm a pretty kickass cook. And that my sister, who is an even more kickass cook, had gone vegan two years earlier and had already learned how to substitute everything. We still haven't quite figured out meringue or ranch dressing, but that's about it. The only problem, really, is the occasional road trip, and if I could remember to buy an ice chest like I've been meaning to for the last five years, that'd be solved too. - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:09:08 -0500 From: Michael Bowen Subject: [loud-fans] Something In The Air Speedy Keen 1945  2002 http://www.eelpie.com/downloads-view.cfm?id=65&zone=download ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:52:13 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] warning to flying cyborgs- http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/24550.html Jen ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #113 *******************************