From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #111 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, March 21 2002 Volume 02 : Number 111 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Great lost bands...any help? [triggercut ] [loud-fans] Attention loud Robyn fans ["Larry Tucker" ] RE: [loud-fans] veggie burgers [Sue Trowbridge ] RE: [loud-fans] veggie burgers ["Larry Tucker" ] RE: [loud-fans] veggie burgers [Elizabeth Brion ] [loud-fans] Amoebae [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] Amoebae [Aaron Mandel ] [loud-fans] Eels - oh! ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: Re[loud-fans] Fusion stuff [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Eels - oh! [Miles Goosens ] [loud-fans] attention: Someone who knows Pearl Jam and Led Zeppelin [Mich] [loud-fans] Dog Trial Verdict (no scott) [Robert Toren ] Re: [loud-fans] Amoebae ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Amoebae [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] veggie burgers [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] veggie burgers ["John Sharples" ] [loud-fans] The Adventures of Matt Weber's Tape (review) [Jeffrey with 2 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 03:33:22 -0600 From: triggercut Subject: [loud-fans] Great lost bands...any help? Just wondering if anyone on-list has heard of and has any recordings of... Painted Birds. I think these guys were based in Philly during the mid-1980's. Leader Brad Morrison had his own label called "Absolute A GoGo" which had as it's claim to fame springing Phish on an unsuspecting world. The Birds were a terrifically catchy, Game Theory-esque sounding band. One record that I know of, I used to play the song "Natasha On A Rainy Day" about once a month on my radio show back in the day. That I can still hum the hook from the chorus of this song is testament to it's catchiness. The Cowpokes. Everything I've heard from these guys has been merely OK, but one song, "Drinking Song" is just incredibly good. It's from an album called ZAMFIR AIN'T NO GURU, dates from about 1988, and it's just fantastic. Deep 6. Another one song wonder, but what a song. I think it was called "Stay Right Here" and a version of it appeared on a compilation called LUXURY CONDOS COMING TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD SOON. I'm pretty sure they were a Coyote Records band, and that they were (of course) from Hoboken. Soda. The most frustrating of all. One night in 1995 while fighting with my then-girlfriend, I stumbled drunkenly across Delmar Avenue into the familiar comforts of Cicero's Basement Bar. The opening act went on, performing in front of like 30 people. They were maybe one of the coolest-sounding bands I've ever heard live. Gritty but poppy, hooky but raw, the lead singer had the most incredible voice I've ever experienced live, sort of a scratchy Rod Stewart meets Steve Marriott kind of deal. They did some great originals, and I remember them covering "Band Of Gold" in their encore and thanks to the soulful vocals completely outdoing the original. I know they were from Milwaukee, and that they were managed by one of ex-Brewer Owner, current Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig's brothers. But that's all I got. Any help, especially in the form of recorded musics that I'd be willing to pay half a kidney for, would be much appreciated! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:19:09 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: RE: [loud-fans] veggie burgers On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, glenn mcdonald wrote: > > But really, buying my own CDs is just self-defense. I run a hopelessly > > obscure web site with no advertising and no links and no industry > > influence, and even so I get a steady parade of emails like this: "Dear glenn's site is actually discussed regularly on a list of industry heavy-hitters and i've heard it not only mentioned but eff you arr eye ayy'd at a conference so everyone could dutifully jot it down. what's more, it is the *only* sole proprietorship review site i've seen get such high profile mentions. > Of course, whether any of that resulted in increased sales for Record X as > a result of assmonkeyreviews.com's efforts is another question - and the > one that Sue and Joe would want to know the answer to. no, or not directly. but good press definitely makes it easier to book shows, target local radio to support shows (or even just get some radio adds). and radio and shows sell records, at least when the stars are in the proper configuration. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:41:52 -0500 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] Attention loud Robyn fans This from www.robynhitchcock.com - -Larry ================================== NEW CD: ROBYN SINGS Robyn Sings is a 2-disc set on Editions PAF, released April, 2002 of Robyn performing all Bob Dylan songs. Electric and acoustic, it incorporates (on one of the discs) the very rare Beautiful Queen CD. It has a full color , 6-panel booklet and liner notes by Robyn. Track listing: Disc stripes 1. Visions Of Johanna 2. Tangled Up In Blue 3. Not Dark Yet 4. 4th Time Around 5. Desolation Row 6. It's All Over Now, Baby Blue 7. Dignity 8. Visions Of Johanna Disc dots 1. Tell Me Mama 2. I Don't Believe You 3. Baby Let Me Follow You Down 4. Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues 5. Leopard-Skin Pillbox Hat 6. One Too Many Mornings 7. Ballad Of A Thin Man 8. Like A Rolling Stone all songs by Bob Dylan Orders being accepted now and the CDs will be shipped upon arrival from the factory, the first week of April. The price for shipment to addresses in the US and Canada is $22, postpaid; for the rest of the world it is $27 postpaid (in US funds only - we suggest using either an international money order in US dollars or PayPal (www.paypal.com ). Currently this is only available through the US office, but at a later date (soon) they'll also be sold through the UK office. Checks or money orders should be payable to The Museum of Robyn Hitchcock and sent to: The Museum of Robyn Hitchcock, POBOX 133, Greenwich, NY 12834 We also accept PayPal: Go to www.paypal.com and make payment to the ID: duplanet@global2000.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:23:39 -0500 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] eels on tour For any loudfans considering catching one of the shows this tour, be forewarned this is in no way like the tour after DAISIES. That's not bad, just a warning - it's different. There's no horns and none of the prettiness from working with Lisa Germano. And though I haven't had the opportunity to see the band but 3 times, this was by far the most dissonant performance I'd ever seen from e and company. A stripped down 4-piece band making heavy use of guitars and feedback made there way into Carrboro, NC for this, the 4th stop on their tour. There was no opening band, instead a 20 minute mime performance, so don't show up fashionably late, you may miss some of the show. The mime was OK, but it was just a bit strange before a rock show. The band played a few songs from the back catalog of course, but concentrated on the new material. Even the old songs had a much different arrangement with free use of guitar feedback, even "I Like Birds" was played up with a punky pile-driver delivery. They did about a 100 minute set including 2 groups of encores. E joked at the start of the first encore about the 'cat and mouse game" of doing encores, pretending they're not going to come back out which they know is not true. After the end of the 2nd encore the house lights and music came up and as people began drifting to the exit the lightman, who I sat next to, told me "don't leave yet, this is just a fake-out". Sure enough, after about 5 minutes and half the crowd gone, they hit the stage again for 2 more songs, one being a 2nd version of "Dog Face Boy" done in a more jazzy after-hours manner and then closing with a long raucous number which I can't recall just now. All in all a great show. DC area fans may want to catch that 9:30 Club show tonight. I got the impression from the lightman that the setlist wouldn't vary much, with the exception of the surprise encore. - -Larry The setlist: Elizabeth Beautiful Freak On Dog Face Boy That's Not Really Funny Going To A Funeral Motherfucker Agony Bus Stop Boxer Souljacker Pt.I My Reversed Monster Daisies Of The Galaxy Woman Driving, Man Sleeping Not Ready Yet Souljacker Pt. II What Is This Note? I Like Birds ====== World Of Shit Fresh Feeling Rotten World Blues Mr. E's Beautiful Blues ====== Sad Clown (Butch singing) 3 Speed I Write The B-Sides ====== ====== Dog Face Boy (another version) ?? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:46:56 -0500 (EST) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: RE: [loud-fans] veggie burgers On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > That said, while it's certainly likely that many folks writing in to every > record company they can find *are* freeloaders, it's also true that, in > any given local scene, assmonkeyreviews.com might just be that scene's > main link. Let me be a little clearer. If you are running an e-zine and wish to receive promotional material, let me -- as someone who has dealt with hundreds of these e-mails -- gently suggest how to go about it. WRONG: "Dear Label, I run a music review e-zine, iloveporkrinds.com/music. Please send me all of your CDs so I can review them. Here is my address. Thanks." RIGHT: "Dear 125, I am the editor of I Love Pork Rinds, an up-and-coming new music review web site. Currently, we receive over 1,500 hits a week, and also publish a print 'zine with a circulation of 2,000 that is distributed to nightclubs and colleges all over the greater Tempe, Az. metropolitan area. We are particularly interested in reviewing new power pop releases, which is why your music seems like a perfect fit for our publication. I downloaded the Anton Barbeau MP3s, and they sound terrific. I look forward to hearing from you. Here is my address." If I got more e-mails like the second one, I wouldn't be bitchin', but the vast majority are like the first, and strike me almost as a form of spam (and scam) -- I feel like I'm being mass-mailed along with every other record company in the Google directory. > Of course, whether any of that resulted in increased sales for Record X as > a result of assmonkeyreviews.com's efforts is another question - and the > one that Sue and Joe would want to know the answer to. I know the answer to that -- it's no. Lots of e-zines who have reviewed our releases have linked to us, and my referrer logs indicate that no one clicks through. Oh well; I'm not going to stop servicing the good ones, like High Bias and Popmatters. I have found what DOES work, and it's picking a good name for your band! Belle Da Gama has turned into a surprisingly steady seller at Amoeba Records in Berkeley, and I've wondered if it's 'cause they're filed right next to the heavily trafficked Belle and Sebastian bin. (The in-store play doesn't hurt either.) Wasn't there a band that picked their name because they wanted to be filed right next to the Beatles? By the way, I found a review of the veggie burgers in yesterday's SF Chronicle: FAST FOOD FIRST Meatless Whoppers? Now vegetarians can have it their way. On Monday, Burger King launched the first vegetarian burger to be offered by a major American fast-food company. The patties, constructed mostly from mushrooms, water chestnuts, brown rice and oats, have 10 grams of fat and no soy. The sandwich comes with that same Burger King "flame-broiled" taste with additional flavor from spices and previously frozen onion and bell peppers. It's topped with lettuce, tomatoes and reduced-fat mayonnaise and served on a sesame seed bun. Chronicle Food staffers thought meat eaters would fling the BK Veggie Burger across the room, but the vegetarian in the bunch was relieved to finally have an option for those rare occasions she finds herself at a fast food restaurant. BK Veggie Burgers sell for $1.99 in the Bay Area. - -- Kim Severson - --Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:44:33 -0500 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] veggie burgers |-----Original Message----- |From: Sue Trowbridge [mailto:trow@interbridge.com] |Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:47 PM |To: I've never had salt flats for breakfast before... |Subject: RE: [loud-fans] veggie burgers |I know the answer to that -- it's no. Lots of e-zines who have |reviewed our releases have linked to us, and my referrer logs |indicate that no one clicks through. Oh well; I'm not going to |stop servicing the good ones, like High Bias and Popmatters. I |have found what DOES work, and it's picking a good name for |your band! Belle Da Gama has turned into a surprisingly steady |seller at Amoeba Records in Berkeley, and I've wondered if |it's 'cause they're filed right next to the heavily trafficked |Belle and Sebastian bin. (The in-store play doesn't hurt |either.) Wasn't there a band that picked their name because |they wanted to be filed right next to the Beatles? The Beau Brummels I believe. - -LT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:53:11 -0800 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: RE: [loud-fans] veggie burgers At 12:46 PM -0500 3/21/02, Sue Trowbridge wrote: > >I know the answer to that -- it's no. Lots of e-zines who have reviewed >our releases have linked to us, and my referrer logs indicate that no one >clicks through. Oh well; I'm not going to stop servicing the good ones, >like High Bias and Popmatters. It might be less direct than that, though. Back when I had a review site (and no, I never asked anyone for free copies of anything!), I used to get two or three emails a month from people thanking me because my review had introduced them to their new favorite band. Considering how incredibly low-profile my site was, I thought that was a pretty good sell-through rate. And since some of the artists in question probably never even broke into four-figure sales, if I could sell ten copies for them - leading to a few copies of their other albums - I thought that was a good thing. I'd be surprised if people were investigating things based on my half-assed reviews and not doing so based on a site like Popmatters. If they shop like I do, they might bounce around and read a few different reviews, then put the band on a "to buy someday when I have twelve dollars" list, rather than clicking straight through. Just a thought. > >On Monday, Burger King launched the first vegetarian burger to be offered >by a major American fast-food company. The patties, constructed mostly >from mushrooms, water chestnuts, brown rice and oats, have 10 grams of fat >and no soy. I wonder if these are actually vegan? It kinda sounds like it. That could make my road trips a much happier event - right now it's Taco Bell bean burritos hold-the-cheese or nothin'. - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:01:08 -0500 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: [loud-fans] NYC loud-fans - Roy Wood NYC loud-fans - Rick Gagnon is in town and has a ticket to see Roy Wood at the Village Underground on Friday (though he's thinking of trying to switch to the Thursday show, tonight). He's wondering if any other loud-fans are going to the show, as he'd like some company. If so, respond privately to sallitt @ post.harvard.edu. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:06:13 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Tveite Subject: RE: [loud-fans] veggie burgers On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Elizabeth Brion wrote: > I wonder if these are actually vegan? It kinda sounds like it. That > could make my road trips a much happier event - right now it's Taco > Bell bean burritos hold-the-cheese or nothin'. Yeah, the fast food scene for vegans is unbelievably bleak. I'm just vegetarian and that's hard enough. Consumer capitalism is for the lowest common denominator and f*ck you if you don't like it. Would you consider a veggie burger "vegan" if it is cooked on the same grill as the other burgers? I seriously doubt they will go out of their way to separate the prep space. I'm not that squeamish, so I will probably give it a try sometime in a pinch. I'm torn between wanting to encourage this kind of option expansion and hating to give a dime to the fast food industry. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:38:31 -0800 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: RE: [loud-fans] veggie burgers At 12:06 PM -0600 3/21/02, Jon Tveite wrote: >Would you consider a veggie burger "vegan" if it is cooked on the same >grill as the other burgers? I seriously doubt they will go out of their >way to separate the prep space. I used to be picky about that kind of thing, but I finally figured that there's really no way to know what exactly goes on in any given kitchen, so I should just either not think about it or eat at home at all times (excellent advice for anyone, really). It might be an issue for me if it were cooked on the same grill as something dairy-ish, because I'm insanely allergic, but I can't see any reason that'd happen on a grill at BK. > >I'm not that squeamish, so I will probably give it a try sometime in a >pinch. I'm torn between wanting to encourage this kind of option >expansion and hating to give a dime to the fast food industry. > I know the feeling. The only time I ever set foot in a fast-food place is when I'm on a long car trip through the middle of nowhere and there are absolutely no other options (and even in those situations, sometimes I can make do with a package of sunflower seeds), so I'm pretty sure I'm not keeping the industry afloat or anything. :-) On most trips, a little advance internet research into vegetarian-friendly restaurants can usually find you enough little towns to detour into that you can eat quite well - but between here and, say, Nevada, it's rather bleak. - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:45:35 -0500 (EST) From: jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] NYC loud-fans - Roy Wood Quoting Dan Sallitt : > NYC loud-fans - Rick Gagnon is in town and has a ticket to see Roy > Wood > at the Village Underground on Friday (though he's thinking of trying > to > switch to the Thursday show, tonight). I was at the Village Underground last Saturday night for Hamell on Trial, and they played nothing but The Move over the P.A. before, between and after acts. All the hits: Do Ya, Chinatown, California Man, Tonight, Down on the Bay, Message from the Country...I can't remember the last time I was so incredibly excited by club P.A. music. I was ecstatic, absolutely transported - The Move has held up so well over the years. I wasn't planning on attending this show but now I think I might have to. JS - ------------------------------------------------- BROOKLYN LAW SCHOOL WEBMAIL: info.brooklaw.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:50:31 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] Re: veggie burgers Sue Trowbridge wrote: > I have found what DOES work, and it's picking a good name for > your band! Belle Da Gama has turned into a surprisingly steady > seller at Amoeba Records in Berkeley, and I've wondered if it's > 'cause they're filed right next to the heavily trafficked > Belle and Sebastian bin. (The in-store play doesn't hurt either.) > Wasn't there a band that picked their name because they wanted > to be filed right next to the Beatles? The Beau Brummels. The Belle da Gama CD is filed under "Misc. Ba-Be" at the Berkeley Amoeba, so its steady sales probably aren't due to the Belle & Sebastian proximity, unless they've just recently added a BDG divider card. I visited the new L.A. Amoeba last weekend, which is intimidatingly huge even by Amoeba's standards, but might be the most organized record store I've ever seen! As you enter, the new CDs are on the right and used CDs are on the left, so if you're looking for a certain album (like the eels' SOULJACKER) and don't spot it in the used bin, the corresponding new bin is just across the main aisle. The same used-new check at the SF or Berkeley Amoeba (or Aron's in L.A. which everyone down there thinks is God's gift) requires a huge hike across the store. At Amoeba L.A., I managed to find a handful of CDs and check for dozens more, and was in and out of the store before my 30-minute parking meter expired. Elizabeth Brion wrote: > I wonder if these are actually vegan? It kinda sounds like it. That > could make my road trips a much happier event - right now it's Taco > Bell bean burritos hold-the-cheese or nothin'. Speaking of "in and out", does everyone know that In-N-Out Burgers which are becoming fairly ubiquitous on the west coast, also does veggie burgers, even though they don't advertise it anywhere? Yesterday at the In-N-Out in Kettleman City CA (midway between L.A. and S.F. on the I5), the woman in front of me ordered a "double double with no meat", which I thought would be two patties of nothing, but turned out to be two meatless patties with two slabs of cheese. There's also a "double double, no meat, no cheese" for vegans. I guess you really do learn something new every day. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:10:24 -0800 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: [loud-fans] Amoebae >As you enter, the new CDs are on the right and >used CDs are on the left, so if you're looking for a certain album (like >the eels' SOULJACKER) and don't spot it in the used bin, the >corresponding new bin is just across the main aisle. That sounds like an improvement, but I wish they'd do the right thing and commingle new and used, Powell's-style. I guess they'd lose some money by people buying used who currently don't bother to check the used bins, but it's hard to believe that it would be enough to justify the current arrangement. And speaking of one-celled animals, Barry Manilow is on Fresh Air today. But seriously folks, I'm interested to hear what he has to say. Maybe he'll complain about Kate Bush copping the chorus of "Wuthering Heights" from "Mandy"... nah. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:30:17 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Amoebae On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: > That sounds like an improvement, but I wish they'd do the right thing > and commingle new and used, Powell's-style. Whether this is a good idea depends on whether the used stock is actually similar to the new stock. At my local store, the population of people who sell things back is (apparently) different enough from the store's overall clientele that there's no point in checking twice for some sorts of records, but having the used bins separate means it's easy to crawl through all the cheaper CDs when I'm in a cheap mood. Of course, it would be really nice to be able to do both. Using nanotechnology. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:32:59 -0500 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] Eels - oh! The eels dissonance now makes sense as I just now put one and one together and came up with that being John Parish (PJ Harvey) doing all that feedback laden guitar work. - -LT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:51:54 -0500 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: Re[loud-fans] Fusion stuff At 09:41 PM 3/11/02 GMT, dana-boy@juno.com wrote: >Nice to be able to add a jazz person to my very short list of "jazz >people who's albums I'd actually go out of my way to buy" which is so >short that I'll reproduce it here: Annette Peacock, my new friend Larry, >Karen Mantler, and that's it. Yikes. I guess it's good to leave areas >to be explored down the road. If you like Karen Mantler, you're likely to enjoy stuff by her parents, Michael Mantler and Carla Bley. She sings like her mom and writes like her dad, which suggests that you'd probably like her dad's stuff better. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:04:20 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Eels - oh! Larry Tucker wrote: >The eels dissonance now makes sense as I just now put one and one >together and came up with that being John Parish (PJ Harvey) doing all >that feedback laden guitar work. It's John Parish on the record, but Joe Gore was filling in earlier on the tour when Parish's wife was having a baby. Since the kiddo arrived 2/25, maybe it's Parish plying the stage again. wondering why there wasn't a Nashville eels show on the 18th (btw New Orleans and Atlanta), Miles np: fresh-burnt two-disc Momus sampler (you folks who are getting it know who you are) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:06:04 -0800 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: [loud-fans] attention: Someone who knows Pearl Jam and Led Zeppelin Tell me I'm not crazy. I was just listening to RadioParadise.com and they had on a Pearl Jam song (whose title I didn't know, but it was "Given to Fly.") For some reason the Zeppelin line "Took a chance on a big jetplane" went through my head. When I came back, RadioParadise.com was playing "Going to California," with that refrain. Are the songs just really similar, or was I just being temporarily prescient? Michael - -- "During my most recent controlled near-death experience, I got to interview William Shakespeare. We did not hit it off. He said the dialect I spoke was the ugliest English he had ever heard, "fit to split the ears of groundlings." He asked if it had a name, and I said, "Indianapolis" Kurt Vonnegut ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:15:23 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: [loud-fans] Dog Trial Verdict (no scott) LOS ANGELES  A woman whose two huge dogs mauled a neighbor to death in a San Francisco apartment building was convicted of murder and manslaughter Thursday. Her husband was found guilty of manslaughter. Marjorie Knoller, 46, could get 15 years to life in prison for the second-degree murder conviction in the death of 33-year-old Diane Whipple. She looked stricken upon hearing the verdict, taking several deep breaths. Her 60-year-old husband, Robert Noel, showed no reaction. Both were also convicted of involuntary manslaughter and having a mischievous dog that killed someone. The sentencing date was not immediately announced. ===== "Monotheistic religion has always brought out the best in us humans; thank you so much for the idea of a vengeful supernatural entity who rewards people in the afterlife! That shit makes a lot of sense!"http://www.mnftiu.cc/ Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:25:44 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] attention: Someone who knows Pearl Jam and Led Zeppelin Michael Zwirn wrote: > > Tell me I'm not crazy. I was just listening to RadioParadise.com and they > had on a Pearl Jam song (whose title I didn't know, but it was "Given to > Fly.") For some reason the Zeppelin line "Took a chance on a big jetplane" > went through my head. When I came back, RadioParadise.com was playing "Going > to California," with that refrain. > > Are the songs just really similar, or was I just being temporarily > prescient? > > Michael They are very similar and back when the single and album came out there was much debate about it, and radio stations were doing the comparison thing by playing them back to back frequently. Seems like ancient history now, though. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:09:46 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Dog Trial Verdict (no scott) In a message dated 3/21/02 5:16:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, xgamesters2000@yahoo.com writes: > LOS ANGELES  A woman whose two huge dogs mauled a > neighbor to death in a San Francisco apartment > building was convicted of murder and manslaughter > Thursday. Her husband was found guilty of > manslaughter. > > Marjorie Knoller, 46, could get 15 years to life in > prison for the second-degree murder conviction in the > death of 33-year-old Diane Whipple. She looked > stricken upon hearing the verdict, taking several deep > breaths. > > Her 60-year-old husband, Robert Noel, showed no > reaction. Both were also convicted of involuntary > manslaughter and having a mischievous dog that killed > someone. > > The sentencing date was not immediately announced. > > > > From what I heard on the news, the sentencing day is May 10. And in the end, justice was done. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:11:39 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Amoebae Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: > That sounds like an improvement, but I wish they'd do the right thing and > commingle new and used, Powell's-style. I guess they'd lose some money by people > buying used who currently don't bother to check the used bins, but it's hard to > believe that it would be enough to justify the current arrangement. There's one record store in the Bay Area (Aquarius? Streetlight?) that commingles the new and used (ala Powell's Books), except they classify their pop/rock section into a bunch of sub-genres (indie, prog, punk, metal, etc) in different parts of the store, making it even more difficult to look for things. Luckily it's a small store. The worst of all possible worlds is Rasputin Music, which classifies by sub-genre and divides new and used on opposite sides of the store, so if you're looking for albums by a vaguely psychedelic indie band like Beulah, you'll need to look in five or six different sections, each in their own little turf. One of the few hundred things wrong with Rasputin. > And speaking of one-celled animals, Barry Manilow is on Fresh Air today. But > seriously folks, I'm interested to hear what he has to say. Maybe he'll complain > about Kate Bush copping the chorus of "Wuthering Heights" from > "Mandy"... nah. I never noticed the similarity before, but now I've got an unholy amalgm of those two songs stuck in my head, and can't send Mandy or Cathy away. Un homme, une femme, et un canard Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:48:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Amoebae On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > Un homme, une femme, et un canard Thanks, Steve! Now I've got *that* running through my head!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:03:23 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Amoebae Steve Holtebeck wrote: > > The worst of all possible worlds is Rasputin Music, which classifies by > sub-genre and divides new and used on opposite sides of the store No, the worst of all possible worlds is House of Guitars in Rochester, which just piles up records and CD's willy-nilly all over the huge building, so you can't find anything without a massive treasure hunt, and last time I was there, there was a whole section I couldn't even get into because of piles of vinyl blocking the aisles. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:19:18 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] veggie burgers At Thursday 3/21/2002 01:55 AM -0500, Sue Trowbridge wrote: >So has anyone tried Burger King's vegetarian burger yet? Verdict? A prominent local vegetarian was interviewed in this morning's paper about the BK veggie burgers. He tried one and gave it a rousing thumbs down. (Okay, I can understand not wanting to eat meat. At least you still have cheese left. What I don't understand is why vegans don't just cap themselves. Heck, if you're going to give up meat AND cheese, you might as well take ALL the fun out of life and give up sex and alcohol as well. But that's just my opinion. No offense intended to all the fine non-dairy consumers on this List. Or to the Christians or Libertarians.) >"Hi! I write CD reviews for assmonkeyrecordreviews.com. Sharples has a webzine?!? Latre. --Rog (wondering how you get to be a prominent local vegetarian) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:50:43 -0500 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] veggie burgers Rog: >>"Hi! I write CD reviews for assmonkeyrecordreviews.com. > >Sharples has a webzine?!? Ooookaaay, Winston. I'll remember that. Some day....I don't know when.......or where................OK, I know where, it'll be here.........when you're least expecting it.......you'll get yours, my pretty.........! JS, prominent local sexeterian/alcoholeterian. PS Just for that, you're getting two of these. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:58:04 EST From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] veggie burgers In a message dated 3/21/02 8:51:32 PM, jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu writes: > > >JS, prominent local sexeterian/alcoholeterian. You forgot "BeatlesGeekOuteterian" ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:02:56 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Great lost bands...any help? On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, triggercut wrote: > Soda. The most frustrating of all. One night in 1995 while fighting > with my then-girlfriend, I stumbled drunkenly across Delmar Avenue into > the familiar comforts of Cicero's Basement Bar. The opening act went > on, performing in front of like 30 people. They were maybe one of the > coolest-sounding bands I've ever heard live. Gritty but poppy, hooky > but raw, the lead singer had the most incredible voice I've ever > experienced live, sort of a scratchy Rod Stewart meets Steve Marriott > kind of deal. They did some great originals, and I remember them > covering "Band Of Gold" in their encore and thanks to the soulful vocals > completely outdoing the original. I know they were from Milwaukee, and > that they were managed by one of ex-Brewer Owner, current Baseball > Commissioner Bud Selig's brothers. But that's all I got. You are correct, sir: they were from milwaukee. This band broke up way before its time - I think the main thing was lead singer Mike got married, and (my chronology may be a bit off) he and his wife had a child. When the band didn't start hitting bigger sooner, he decided to call it a day. He occasionally plays in town in a country-rock band called Pinto. As far as I know, they released only one cassette, plus a cover of "I Know What Boys Like" on a Milwaukee label's compilation of early '80s covers (one of the early entries in that game). Your request is as good an excuse as any for me to dig up the tape and burn a CD of it. Besides Mike DeVogel, the band also featured Alan Weatherhead, who moved to Virginia and engineers and plays on a few tracks on the latest Sparklehorse CD. If you like the rawer moments of Soda, you'd probably enjoy the band Mike was in before that, Wobble Test - which was one of the bands that spun off into the Blow Pops. I really should try to get back in touch with Mike and Crystal (his wife) and see if I can bug them to burn me some CDs of the Wobble Test stuff... I think I've included some of their songs on a handful of mix tapes over the years - so a few people here have probably heard of them. And I'll bet Mark Kunkel knew them - maybe he'll put in one of his rare appearances here. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:11:50 -0500 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] veggie burgers Card (oh, Card! You're back! Thank rollerblading Jesus, you're back!!): >You forgot "BeatlesGeekOuteterian" ... Please let the record reflect that this is hereby stipulated. JS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:48:20 -0800 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] Some Haiku All this talk about commuting inspired me to write some Haiku. silent commute-not I grab your little phone now toss from moving bus Polite passengers are suffering in silence Blaring cell phone voice Hey, loud cell phone mouth your fellow riders have heard too much about you I only live 7 miles from New York City and it takes me 45 minutes to get to work by bus. Usually the bus is pretty quiet. ************ Cambodian Rocks-a very cool record. *********** Recent Jazz thread Still one of my favorite records that I would recommend to everyone is Ethiopiques Volume 4. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:12:03 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] The Adventures of Matt Weber's Tape (review) Matt sent me a tape, which either has no title or is called "I Could Have Done it with My Eyes Closed." I asked him for a broad range of music, and that's pretty much what I got. Smell & Quim "Oral pt. 4": With a name like that, I was sort of expecting yuppie-breakfast wind-octet music...but no, instead this is for all intents and purposes a cover of _Metal Machine Music_, with someone setting up old analog synths, effects boxes, and sundry noisemakers, pressing record, and then setting the whole lot on fire. Somewhere, a drum machine ticks away in the background. John Abercrombie "After Thoughts": multiple semi-acoustic guitars, played with a sense of delicacy and space. There's a hint of jazz in some lines and voicings here (actually, it sort of reminds me of Allan Holdsworth's acoustic guitar intro to UK's "Nevermore"), but it's large a genre-free exercise. Quite nice. MZ.412 "N.B.S. Act I: Begravnung": Snarly synth drone, while a German intones a phrase repeatedly...a doomy drum pounds a funereally slow tempo. Eventually a low string synth adds ominous harmonies, and clattery industrial percussion establishes the sort of beat you might expect from a heroin-addicted robot. Aerosmith "Head First": You know, in the context of this tape, *this* is the weirdest song here. I'm by no means a huge Aerosmith fan - but they do remember that hard rock works best if, amidst the leering and thrusting, someone brings the hooks and puts together an actual song. Not bad, really. (Where's this from? AMG doesn't seem to list it...) Air Liquide "Nephology": Until I heard this track, I knew absolutely nothing about nephs. Now, I know this: you get someone muttering away in the background, with the voice run through a bevy of effects and filters. (I blame Graeme Edge, by the way, for all this talking on records. You know: "Breathe deep the gathering gloom..."). There's a synth drone, vague electronic rustlings and burblings, and some sort of threatening swoopy sound (way more threatening than the sound of the word "swoopy," which sounds like Elmer Fudd talking to Charlie Brown's dog). Very soundtracky. Gregorio Allegri "Miserere": I've always been fond of pre-baroque vocal music - something about the static sense of time (pre-teleological chord development) and unexpected, clearly voiced harmonic transitions affects me. Hate to get all new-agey - but there's a calming quality here for me. There's also some interesting premodern attempt at utilizing space for musical effect: at a couple of points, it sounds as if there's a separate choir singing from another room. (Gustav Holst nicked that bit in, what was it...the Neptune(?) movement of _The Planets_? Only he had some stage person actually close the door to the room slowly, thereby effecting a real-time, live fadeout before the advent of recording...) God "Black Jesus": Haven't heard anything from God in...what, a couple thousand years or so? Anyway, here He re-emerges as a recording artist. In a bit of cheeky, self-referential postmodernity, the track begins with a welter of church bells (they continue throughout, in fact: Matt, imp of the perverse that he is, disrupts my sixteenth-century induced calm with their glorious cacophony). As this strangely beautiful body of noise progresses, it gradually grows thick, wirelike hair over its entire body - a process that is evidently painful, as it screams with increasing intensity. Meanwhile, a hundred or so cats are let loose on a piano keyboard. Wait - they've turned into Cecil Taylor...nope, now they're cats again. Five minutes or so in, something in the background almost sounds like a chorale of trombones or possibly French horns - it's probably just emergent resonance from the rest of the cacophony, but hey - it'd be a really cool idea to put a horn trio way low in the mix on a track like this. One of my favorites on this tape. Amon Duul (add umlauts and season to taste) "Bitterlings Verwandlung": Two drummers (I think) and an odd sort of _Freak Out!_-type set of vocal noises open this one. The drums turn into a sort of military tattoo - suddenly, everything sinks into a deep reverb, as if the recording engineer lowered the mics into a couple of metal garbage cans. A brief silence, a brief lack of silence, then out. Amps for Christ & The Two Ambiguous Figures "Thatcher Hall Blues": Yep, it's a blues - somehow it reads like a parody. Someone with a $35 K-Mart cassette player recorded a piano player, and a guitarist plays stereotypically bluesy licks. Then they stop. (Incidentally, there seem to be neither amps nor more than two people involved with this track. Stop it - - oh yr killing me with yr humorous little onomastic japes.) Trevor Jones "I got this thing about chickens": Presumably in revenge for the tape I sent Matt a couple years back, which - because I just couldn't come up with a good title - ended up saddled with a name something like _Luther, Hand Me That Chicken_. Anyway, this is more soundtracky stuff - in this case, someone playing faux jazz (a la Angelo Badalamenti) on one of those annoying synth pianos - if ya wanna sound like a piano, there's a million pianos; just use one - while a sax player plays in a manner best described as "oily" - provided that said oil comes from an early '70s Plymouth last serviced in, oh, the first Clinton administration. Wait - there's applause at the end. So I guess the synth piano is cuz it was the mic'ing the piano was the problem. Apocalypse Hoboken "One Last Tasty Morsel": This one begins like a fairly typical indie-punk number, and then slips into a sort of pounding drone (trust me, it does too make sense) over a rising infinite loop of a chord progression. Then the rockbandness falls away into a haze of murky guitarage, and suddenly we're at Thurston and Kim's house in the late eighties. After lulling me into a trance with five minutes of thick, drifting plumes of guitar noise, the full band returns...only to be subjected to some of the most audacious sound fuckery on record. Digital time alteration, weird echoes, pitch shifting - basically, everything that could be done to the sound is. Finally, things settle down, we get a bit of drums and organ and, uh, the last minute of "Echoes"? And then - what the...? what sounds like a thirty-second punk-rock cover of some early sixties track (is it?) that could be called "Are You Ready for the Summer?" Yeesh - what *is* in the water in Jersey? Nah, don't tell me. Another favorite. PGR "Aqua Rad": Tom Verlaine, in I forget which song, sang a line about "walking around in the ring of a bell." That would sound about like this track, whose peculiarly resonant, oddly pitched drone really does sound like that. Ash Ra Tempel "Amboss": Spacy waves of volume pedal guitar, cymbal washes, and then yet another drone builds gradually into a furious beat (two drummers, sounds like - those nutty Chermans). Then we get a guitar solo - kind of a distant, liquid, distorted sound - which, while beginning in a pretty abstract space, too soon veers off into fairly straightforward semi-bluesy soloing. (Hey, it *was* the early '70s, no? - as if the channel-switching on the guitar doesn't remind you.) The solo returns to more abstract areas, though - the drummers fall into a rhythm sort of like the fade to "Strawberry Fields"*, and the guitar starts being pummeled with various pedals and effects to create quite the spacy ambiance. (* Okay, if you don't have the Beatles Anthology set with the early takes of this song on it, you're missing a great moment: near the end, Ringo sets up that beat - and Great Steaming Jesus, does he kick whole squadrons of butt in doing so.) Nice work Matt - you prevented me from having to write "this completely sucks, and you have the worst taste ever, and your mother one year gave up the hockey team for Lent." - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n matches? The Architectural Dance Society candles? www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html matches? candles? buns? ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #111 *******************************