From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #104 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, March 16 2002 Volume 02 : Number 104 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [loud-fans] six degrees of stereo separation ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? ["The Imperial Butt Wizards" ] [loud-fans] Now It's Overhead [GlenSarvad@aol.com] [loud-fans] Posies box set reprint [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? [John Cooper ] Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? [Brisk14300@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? ["Andrew Hamlin" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] six degrees of stereo separation And I forgot: Probably the best British psychedeilc album is the self-titled album by Tomorrow, which was Steve Howe's first band. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:11:38 -0500 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] Re: six degrees of stereo separation >Jeff wrote: >I never knew there was a correct answer to the question "Who >has played with (not necessarily recorded with) Roxy Music, Jethro Tull, >and the Nice?" > >Dennis hazards a guess: >Eddie Jobson? Only if the last band is Curved Air, instead of the Nice. Rick - -- ****** "Zodiac Killer needs that crack" ******* Scott Walker, "Man from Reno" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:15:03 -0800 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: six degrees of stereo separation >Only if the last band is Curved Air, instead of the Nice. Or U.K.! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:27:20 -0600 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Re: six degrees of stereo separation Tim Walters on Eddie Jobson: >>Only if the last band is Curved Air, instead of the Nice. > >Or U.K.! ...or Yes. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:39:06 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Re: six degrees of stereo separation On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Keegstra, Russell wrote: > Tim Walters on Eddie Jobson: > >>Only if the last band is Curved Air, instead of the Nice. > > > >Or U.K.! > > ...or Yes. I'm unfamiliar with Yes after, oh, _Drama_ or _90210_ or whatever...did Jobson play with them after that? Cuz I don't think he did before. Was it Curved Air that Andy Summers (Police) was in, or am I misremembering? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, looking for the valuable Henry Padovani connection J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::The more you drive, the less intelligent you are:: __Miller, in REPO MAN__ np: Aphex Twin _Drukqs_ disc 2 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:41:05 -0800 From: Matthew Weber Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Re: six degrees of stereo separation At 12:39 PM 3/15/02 -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Keegstra, Russell wrote: > > > Tim Walters on Eddie Jobson: > > >>Only if the last band is Curved Air, instead of the Nice. > > > > > >Or U.K.! > > > > ...or Yes. > >I'm unfamiliar with Yes after, oh, _Drama_ or _90210_ or whatever...did >Jobson play with them after that? Cuz I don't think he did before. > >Was it Curved Air that Andy Summers (Police) was in, or am I >misremembering? Nope, Stewart Copeland. Matthew Weber Progrock Geek Music Library University of California, Berkeley Let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. _The Holy Bible: The Old Testament_, The Third Book of Moses, Called Leviticus, chapter 16, verse 10 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:47:22 -0600 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Re: six degrees of stereo separation Jeffrey: >I'm unfamiliar with Yes after, oh, _Drama_ or _90210_ >or whatever...did Jobson play with them after that? Cuz >I don't think he did before. I think the story goes like this - he was the keyboard player when they recorded 90125, but didn't want to tour; so they dumped him and brought in Tony Kaye (again). Jobson's name didn't make it anywhere in the 90125 credits. >Was it Curved Air that Andy Summers (Police) was in, or >am I misremembering? Stewart Copeland. Russ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:48:32 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Re: six degrees of stereo separation On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Matthew Weber wrote: > >Was it Curved Air that Andy Summers (Police) was in, or am I > >misremembering? > > Nope, Stewart Copeland. Ah - but I still get the Henry Padovani thing. So Summers was an old fart when he joined Police - he was in some old band, no? I remember him being mentioned somewhere in the _Nuggets 2_ notes...anyone? Bueller? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, waiting for a reunion of The Syn J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"Shut up, you truculent lout, and let the cute little pixie sing!":: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:52:22 -0600 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Re: six degrees of stereo separation I wrote: >I think the story goes like this - he was the keyboard player >when they recorded 90125, but didn't want to tour; so they >dumped him and brought in Tony Kaye (again). Jobson's name >didn't make it anywhere in the 90125 credits. I got it backwards, Eddie Jobson was brought in to replace Tony Kaye when Kaye didn't want to tour - Tony later changed his mind and was re-switched. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:08:20 -0600 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Re: six degrees of stereo separation Jeff / Matt / Jeff: > >Was it Curved Air that Andy Summers (Police) was in, or am I > >misremembering? > > Nope, Stewart Copeland. So Summers was an old fart when he joined Police - he was in some old band, no? I remember him being mentioned somewhere in the _Nuggets 2_ notes...anyone? Bueller? <><><><><><><><><><><> Dantalion's Chariot? still guessing, - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:08:00 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: six degrees of stereo separation >So Summers was an old fart when he joined Police - he was in some old >band, no? I remember him being mentioned somewhere in the _Nuggets 2_ >notes...anyone? Bueller? Assuming the biographical information at allmusic.com is accurate, Mr. Summers (ne Somers) will turn sixty on the last day of this year. After a 60's stint in a band masterminded by one Zoot Money, called Money's Big Roll Band, which eventually morphed into Dantalian's Chariot, Summers joined Soft Machine for a short spell, re-joined Mr. Money in a reunion of the Animals(!), hung out in LA a few years teaching guitar and giving acting a go, then bopped back to England in 1973, where he performed and/or recorded with David Essex, Kevin Ayers, Kevin Coyne, Neil Sedaka, and others. He joined the Police, replacing/usurping the unlucky Henry Padovani, in late 1977 or early 1978. Any questions? Oh, and apropos of nothing here, an interesting link: http://msn.com.com/2100-1106-859089.html Oh, I left out the part where he strummed seaside with some guy named Bobby Fripp, Andy 86. A Finnish textiles conference, intending to invite a representative of the World Trade Organization to speak, instead accidentally invites Andy Bichlbaum, an American antiglobalization activist-prankster. He delivers a speech in which he expresses sympathy for the South in the Civil War, describes Mohandas Gandhi as a "rabble-rouser," and disrobes to reveal that he is wearing a golden spandex unitard featuring a 3-foot-long inflatable phallus. [--from an article on the "101 Dumbest Moments In Business," at http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,38604|9,00.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:25:03 -0800 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: six degrees of stereo separation Summers also turns up on TRANCE-FORMATION by Eberhard Schoener, one of those cool German electronic records from the mid-Seventies. "In and around Greg Lake, Mountain come out on the Stage and they stand there." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:49:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Knowledge overload http://www.zompist.com/numbers.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:17:48 -0000 From: "Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Re: six degrees of stereo separation > Summers also turns up on TRANCE-FORMATION by Eberhard > Schoener, one of those cool German electronic records from > the mid-Seventies. He also made an excellent acoustic album with John Etheridge called Invisible Threads. Didn't know he was nearing 60 though... Ian Np Cracker - Forever live bonus disc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:44:05 -0500 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? And the winner is - - Houston, TX http://experts.uli.org/DK/ResFell/ex_ResFell_RD_C09_fst.html Interesting statistics for us automobile commuters. Surprising to me to see how far down the list Los Angeles is, but the article explains why. I have a 12 mile car commute to work that takes about 20 minutes and it happens to be my prime music listening time. I know my numbers do not take into account the various errands and things I do, so just figuring work commutes who has the longest, shortest commutes, and how do you travel? - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:49:38 -0500 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:44:05 -0500, Larry Tucker wrote: >so just figuring >work commutes who has the longest, shortest commutes, and how do you >travel? I'm probably in the group with the shortest commute. Just down the hall from the bedroom. Or if you count telecommuting miles, about 400 or however far it is to Columbus. I travel by foot, usually in slippers. Although I do miss all of the books on tape that I used to "read", I'd have a hard time commuting any other way. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:01:18 -0800 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? >so just figuring >work commutes who has the longest, shortest commutes, and how do you >travel? What with my office relocation and new house, I'm just 1.75 miles away from work. Usually I walk, unless I know I have a lunchtime errand that requires driving, or it's pouring down rain. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:05:12 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? > work commutes who has the longest, shortest > commutes, and how do you > travel? > > -Larry I take BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit)_ 45 min from home-to-office (includes ~1 mile walk) used to read SF Chronicle and NYT on the train, but recently gave up on newspapers and instead am reading Snow Crash_ robert ===== "Monotheistic religion has always brought out the best in us humans; thank you so much for the idea of a vengeful supernatural entity who rewards people in the afterlife! That shit makes a lot of sense!"http://www.mnftiu.cc/ Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:13:40 -0600 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? Larry Tucker and John Swartzentruber: >>so just figuring work commutes who has the longest, >>shortest commutes, and how do you travel? > >I'm probably in the group with the shortest commute. Just >down the hall from the bedroom. Or if you count telecommuting >miles, about 400 or however far it is to Columbus. I think I can beat John, I only have to go *across* the hall. When we lived in Houston our combined commute (my wife and myself) was actually quite reasonable, about 30 miles a day total. My worst commute was Phoenix, 40 miles but an hour and a half, and that was at 6:00am and 3:30pm. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:14:56 -0800 From: "The Imperial Butt Wizards" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? my commute's getting really short, too. but that's because i'm nearly living at the office.... otherwise, i have one of the shortest commutes i've had in a long time - about 15 minutes. i've had 8 minutes before, tho... IN MY SUV... hee hee.... couldn't resist.... brianna - -- 'wanna take on an outside project?' 'sure... it's been a while since i've had to sleep under my desk.' - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keegstra, Russell" To: Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? > Larry Tucker and John Swartzentruber: > >>so just figuring work commutes who has the longest, > >>shortest commutes, and how do you travel? > > > >I'm probably in the group with the shortest commute. Just > >down the hall from the bedroom. Or if you count telecommuting > >miles, about 400 or however far it is to Columbus. > > I think I can beat John, I only have to go *across* the hall. > When we lived in Houston our combined commute (my wife and > myself) was actually quite reasonable, about 30 miles a day > total. My worst commute was Phoenix, 40 miles but an hour > and a half, and that was at 6:00am and 3:30pm. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:39:42 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? Larry Tucker on 3/15/2002 2:44:05 PM wrote: > I know my numbers do not > take into account the various errands and things I do, so just figuring > work commutes who has the longest, shortest commutes, and how do you > travel? I've had a great commute for like 7 years now. Even though I've worked for three different companies in that period, they've all had offices within about a mile radius. The area is about 5-6 miles or so from my house and the commute usually takes around 10 minutes, 15 if there is traffic or snow. I take pretty much all backroads and don't have to fight the major thoroughfares. It's great. I can't imagine having to work downtown or at the Tech Center, especially with the lack of decent mass transit in the area. Is this where we talk about our cars? Where's Staples when you need him? I drive to the office in my new 2002 Acura RSX. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:53:58 EST From: GlenSarvad@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Now It's Overhead I've yet to hear the NIO album, but I caught them live for the first time (an oversight on my part since they're quasi-local, up the road in Athens) playing with Conor Bright Eyes' new band Desaparecidos. I was really impressed, but live they had this jittery tension that reminded me of Pylon or Gang of Four- which was odd, since I've not heard them described as anything like this. It's also worth noting that NIO includes the two women from Azure Ray, who are pretty cool in their own right. As for Desaparecidos, I can't recall the last time I was so consistently sprayed by a vocalist's spittle (thanks to intense emoting- intentional spitting was confined to the stage floor). ___________________________ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:15:25 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Now It's Overhead (ns) On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Dana L Paoli wrote: > appears to be by a band called "Now It's Overhead," and it appears to > have come out in '01 on the Saddle Creek label, which I've never heard > of. Cuz you don't read my posts! Saddle Creek is the home of Bright Eyes and The Faint, as well as a number of other post-emo bands. Their releases are good with shocking consistency, particularly considering the relative variety of styles (The Faint are poppy electro new wave; Now It's Overhead and Son Ambulance are sort of elaborate E6-y stuff; Bright Eyes and Cursive howl and vent in conventionally emo ways). Anyway, I agree that the NIO album is very good. A few songs reminded me of REM circa Fables Of The Reconstruction, so it's interesting that Dana heard specifically REM but a diffferent era. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:59:57 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Posies box set reprint Was over at the NotLame site and noticed that they're planning a reprint of the Posies' box set, AT LEAST AT LAST. I got one of the last ones in the previous run, and its four discs are 100% unreleased stuff (it doesn't even have b-sides!) which are well worth the time and money for any fan of any period of the band. They need 200 people to pre-order to do the run, and the site says they're at 79 right now. If you've got the $50 and the inclination, hie thee over to http://www.notlame.com and order yerself one, or 121. later, Miles, who is increasingly thinking about rescheduling his L.A. vacation since Garbage, No Doubt, Josh Rouse, and Jay Bennett are all going to be here during that week in late April/early May ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:59:01 -0800 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? At 04:44 PM 3/15/02 -0500, Larry Tucker wrote: >I have a 12 mile car commute to work that takes about 20 minutes and it >happens to be my prime music listening time. I know my numbers do not >take into account the various errands and things I do, so just figuring >work commutes who has the longest, shortest commutes, and how do you >travel? I live about 2.5 miles from campus, and I walk to & from work. It takes about 35 minutes. Thank God for my Walkman. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley Let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. _The Holy Bible: The Old Testament_, The Third Book of Moses, Called Leviticus, chapter 16, verse 10 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:06:14 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? Having just moved from the Park Slope part of Brooklyn (near Manhattan) to the hinterlands not far from Coney (my neighborhood has an el-train and sea gulls!) I now rely on my car more than ever, but not for weekday commuting - in Manhattan and downtown Brooklyn (where I go for work and school respectively) parking would run $10 - $25 a day! But I use the car to go into the city at night and for neighborhood errands, because suddenly things are no longer walking distance. I thought the move would make my subway commute unbearably long, but I've been pleasantly surprised: it only added 15 minutes, and I'm delighted by the above-ground train ride! Boarding the train that far out I always get a seat, have more time to read the paper, enjoy the sunshine, and can even make some phone calls, none of which I could do before. JS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:14:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? At 04:44 PM 3/15/02 -0500, Larry Tucker wrote: >I have a 12 mile car commute to work that takes about 20 minutes and it >happens to be my prime music listening time. I know my numbers do not >take into account the various errands and things I do, so just figuring >work commutes who has the longest, shortest commutes, and how do you >travel? Most times to work: BART for 25 min., wait for 5 min., bus for 20 min. Some times to work: Sue, driving me - 20-25 min. Home: Bus for 15 min., BART for 25 min. or Carpool - 30-60 min. Distance: about 12 mi. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:33:29 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? >Larry Tucker on 3/15/2002 2:44:05 PM wrote: >>so just figuring >> work commutes who has the longest, shortest commutes, and how do you >> travel? Alllll right! Mr. Schmidt might swipe the Most Sessile Loudfan award out from under my nostril, but I got this one sewn up: Distance from bed to computer, ah, let's say four feet. Erring on the side of length, if anything. Total commute: three seconds, let's say. 'Course, sometimes I go down the hallway to shower, while the computer boots up. >Is this where we talk about our cars? Where's Staples when you need him? I drive to the office in my new 2002 Acura RSX. Where he could be, no telling. Looking at the (impressive) Loudfan photos collected at Doug's site, though, I do find myself wondering: what would Mark think to find most everything he wanted for/on this list, coming true, behind his back? What indeed. And the Langley Schools Music Project held sway over all, Andy HOWL.com by Thomas Scoville (with apologies to Allen Ginsberg) I saw the best minds of my occupation destroyed by venture capital, burned-out, paranoid, postal, dragging themselves through the Capuccino streets of Palo Alto at Dawn looking for an equity-sharing, stock option fix, HTML-headed Web-sters coding for the infinite broadband connection to that undiscovered e-commerce mother lode in the airy reaches of IP namespace, who poverty and ripped Yahoo tee shirts, cubicle-eyed and wired on Starbucks sat up surfing in the virtual ether of one-million-dollar, one-bathroom condos next to the railroad tracks, skipping across the links of killer Web sites contemplating ... Java, who rammed their brains into compilers and saw Intel angels staggering on microchips under the insane weight of investor expectation, who blew off the search for Truth for as-yet-undreamed New Economy scams, business models hallucinating infocapitalist messiahs on clouds of market cap, who abandoned lucid dreams of a Better Way for Shockwave fluff and RealAudio baubles dangling from the buggy venality of digital commerce, who, while haunted by the scowling ghosts of hackers past -- Stallman, Nelson, Engelbart -- auctioned their immortal souls on eBay, with documentation and a full year of support included, of course, who got busted in their spotless Nike cross-trainers traveling through cyberspace with a file of illegal crypto for Open Source, who ate sushi in Austin or drank microbrews in Silicon Alley, jousting with bad mojo funk of layoffs, Chapter 11, or diluted company stock night after night, who chained themselves to start-ups for the endless ride from San Jose to Wall Street on adrenaline and Evian, laptop batteries flaming out over Oklahoma, no more vegetarian entrees, sir, would you like the latex omelet instead? endless nights of keyboard grinding and corporate microwave popcorn and Jolt Cola until the noise of their own deadlines brought them down, gawping, convulsing, mute, crushed beneath their own project plans, who talked continuously about convergence and distributed control and cluetrains and Y2K and extropians and Libertarians and Microsoft and Linux and slashdot and wouldn't fucking shut up, who pointed their browsers at Red Herring and Slate and Salon.com hoping against hope that somebody might be able to make sense of the infinitely perverse, ball-busting, soul-scorching, silicon-supernova black hole that kept them awake all night every night and wouldn't let them alone long enough to find dates in this lifetime, who tattoo'd and pierced and dyed and branded themselves in a desperate act of self-mutilating cyber-hepster cool, all the while wearing a suit and tie on the inside they could never, ever take off, and praying nobody would find out about the MBA, who renounced the smokestack relics, the old guard and their father's Oldsmobile only to find that they had been replaced by artifacts even less substantial, who chanted the free market mantras of laissez-faire and techno-darwinism and Adam Smith's invisible hand-job except when Big Bad Bill the Bully Gates-of-hell came to take away their lunch.com -- and became Socialists of Convenience.org, who stalked investment bankers through Bistros and wine bars and martini lounges, begging pleading groveling for one more hit of funding from the luminous check-book oh please oh please oh please ah, Bill, you are not safe, I am not safe, and now we languish in the dot com pressure cooker hoping for one last buzz of the old hallucinations. The wrecked avenues, the sullied conduits, the pinched pipes of a quadrillion dropped and ruined packets. The world-wide waits, the denials of service, the infinite hosts of hardcore farm-animal boredom, ghoulish domain-name squatters jumping out from behind every virtual tree. These failed revolutions, these paradigms lost, the end of Web Time, and P/E ratios good to last the next thousand years. Dot com! Dot com! Dot com! forever, and ever, ka-Ching. [--courtesy Katie Johnson] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:00:46 -0500 From: Betsy Lescosky Way Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? Me. (Which is why I haven't finished your swap CD yet, Larry.) Well, maybe someone else drives more than me. My commute is 55 miles each way, and it takes just under an hour. I drive because I live in metro Detroit, and people here are too wrapped up in the auto industry to admit mass transit might be cool. I come into work about an hour later than most people, so traffic isn't too bad. Unless there's an accident. Or a mattress on the freeway. Or 6 inches of snow. - --betsy >And the winner is - - Houston, TX > http://experts.uli.org/DK/ResFell/ex_ResFell_RD_C09_fst.html > >Interesting statistics for us automobile commuters. Surprising to me to >see how far down the list Los Angeles is, but the article explains why. > >I have a 12 mile car commute to work that takes about 20 minutes and it >happens to be my prime music listening time. I know my numbers do not >take into account the various errands and things I do, so just figuring >work commutes who has the longest, shortest commutes, and how do you >travel? > >-Larry - -- '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' betsy lescosky way betsiel@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~betsiel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:23:25 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? On Friday, March 15, 2002, at 04:39 PM, Roger Winston wrote: > Is this where we talk about our cars? Where's Staples when you need > him? I drive to the office in my new 2002 Acura RSX. 160 or 200 hp? - - Steve __________ "The logic of missile defense is to make the stakes of power projection compatible with the risks of power projection," says Keith B. Payne, a deterrence theory expert and an ardent supporter of missile defense. - Bill Keler, NYT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:12:20 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? About a 1 and 1/2 mile commute, via Trek 720 (which is too heavy but otherwise very nice). I miss my Trek 1100, which was much lighter, but my back thanks me for buying a hybrid. Greatest regret is that I no longer commute to Manhattan across the Brooklyn Bridge, which made me so happy back when I worked at the Strand Bookstore. I submit that there is no better way to start the workday than by bicycling across a large bridge, screaming "Get out of the bike lane" at clueless Norwegian tourists. BTW, we just bought coffee right after Steve Buscemi, unless Shari is mistaken in her ID, and she's usually pretty good at that sort of thing. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:55:59 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? I would imagine it would be pretty hard to mistake someone else for Steve Buscemi. But I don't know; maybe New York City is full of people who look just like him--immigrants from some land-locked country I'd never dreamed existed. As a person who sometimes considers buying and riding a bike (the way people sometimes consider buying and flying a helicopter), I'd like to know: why would a heavier bike be easier on the back? TIA, JDC On 3/15/02, Dana L Paoli wrote: >About a 1 and 1/2 mile commute, via Trek 720 (which is too heavy but >otherwise very nice). I miss my Trek 1100, which was much lighter, but >my back thanks me for buying a hybrid. > >Greatest regret is that I no longer commute to Manhattan across the >Brooklyn Bridge, which made me so happy back when I worked at the Strand >Bookstore. I submit that there is no better way to start the workday >than by bicycling across a large bridge, screaming "Get out of the bike >lane" at clueless Norwegian tourists. > >BTW, we just bought coffee right after Steve Buscemi, unless Shari is >mistaken in her ID, and she's usually pretty good at that sort of thing. > >--dana > > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:40:16 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? I wrote, somewhat ambiguously: About a 1 and 1/2 mile commute, via Trek 720 (which is too heavy but otherwise very nice). I miss my Trek 1100, which was much lighter, but my back thanks me for buying a hybrid. and someone asked: >As a person who sometimes considers buying and riding a bike (the way > >people sometimes consider buying and flying a helicopter), I'd like >to know: why would a heavier bike be easier on the back? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It probably wouldn't be: the Trek 1100 in addition to being light, was a road bike (curvy handlebars, skinny tires, bent over riding position), while the 720, in addition to being heavy, has me sitting upright. "Hybrid" in this case means a mix of a road bike and a mountain bike. The frame isn't really strong enough to ride off-road, but the weels are thick and there's some shock absorbing going on. Not good for racing, or for riding down the side of Mount Kilimanjaro, it's a great bike for commuting to work on. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:01:44 EST From: Brisk14300@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? In a message dated 03/15/2002 1:44:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, ltucker@townofchapelhill.org writes: > I have a 12 mile car commute to work that takes about 20 minutes and it > happens to be my prime music listening time. I know my numbers do not > take into account the various errands and things I do, so just figuring > work commutes who has the longest, shortest commutes, and how do you > travel? > > -Larry > 34 miles round trip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:41:51 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who drives the most? >Well, I'm afraid it's a tie. Two years ago, I built an office at my house -- >separate building right next to the house. I sleep in there. Can't win, can I? Although, this does bring up (not beg) the question, why do you sleep in your office and not in your house... Andy "God sends meat and the devil sends cooks." - --Thomas Felony ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #104 *******************************