From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #103 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, March 15 2002 Volume 02 : Number 103 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] language/spelling question - off-topic [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] Nostalgia ["O Geier" ] [loud-fans] One good deed a year (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] RE: [loud-fans] six degrees of stereo separation [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffr] RE: [loud-fans] six degrees of stereo separation ["Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] language/spelling question - off-topic another useful, readable book for philogists is *woe is i,* by patricia t. o'conner. >>>>>>>>>>>> Is a philogist different than a philologist? - --dana, being ignorant, not sarcastic ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:42:11 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] language/spelling question - off-topic On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Dana L Paoli wrote: > another useful, readable book for philogists is *woe is i,* by patricia > t. > o'conner. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Is a philogist different than a philologist? I believe a "philogist" is someone who believes in Philogiston, the (in fact) mythical animating substance underlying the universe. Or maybe that's Walt Disney. Either that, or a "philogist" is a philologist victimized by a hurried typist. I'd go with this theory. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, both ignorant *and* sarcastic J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:57:24 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] six degrees of stereo separation So, I've been digging around the older, mustier corners of my music collection, and supplementing that activity with similar explorations in the older, dustier corners of allmusic.com (except they're very good at cleaning up dust - not necessarily errors though) - and it's really interesting to notice the past intertanglings of various old-fart British musicians. For example, I never knew there was a correct answer to the question "Who has played with (not necessarily recorded with) Roxy Music, Jethro Tull, and the Nice?" In other news: was anyone else as shocked, stunned, amazed, surprised, and just plain head-walloped by the astonishing revelation that Rosie O'Donnell, of all people, was a lesbian? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"Shut up, you truculent lout, and let the cute little pixie sing!":: np: Tarwater _Animals, Suns & Atoms_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:10:02 -0600 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] language/spelling question - off-topic dana, then Jeff: > Is a philogist different than a philologist? Either that, or a "philogist" is a philologist victimized by a hurried typist. I'd go with this theory. <><><><><><><><><><> Jennifer Lopez borrowed the extra "lo" when she realized she'd unintentionally thrown away her entire last name. She's promised to return it. - --D.Iddy O.T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:11:58 -0600 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] six degrees of stereo separation Jeff: I never knew there was a correct answer to the question "Who has played with (not necessarily recorded with) Roxy Music, Jethro Tull, and the Nice?" <><><><><><> Eddie Jobson? guessing, - --D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:07:29 -0600 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] six degrees of stereo separation JeFFrey: >For example, I never knew there was a correct answer to the >question "Who has played with (not necessarily recorded with) >Roxy Music, Jethro Tull, and the Nice?" I assume (without looking) that the answer to that question is Davey O'List, but I must object, because I'm pretty sure he only auditioned for Tull and never really played with them. Now if that last band had been Yes, that would be different. Russ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:45:53 -0800 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] six degrees of stereo separation At 09:57 AM 3/14/02 -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >So, I've been digging around the older, mustier corners of my music >collection, and supplementing that activity with similar explorations in >the older, dustier corners of allmusic.com (except they're very good at >cleaning up dust - not necessarily errors though) - and it's really >interesting to notice the past intertanglings of various old-fart British >musicians. > >For example, I never knew there was a correct answer to the question "Who >has played with (not necessarily recorded with) Roxy Music, Jethro Tull, >and the Nice?" Would that be Davey O'List? >In other news: was anyone else as shocked, stunned, amazed, surprised, and >just plain head-walloped by the astonishing revelation that Rosie >O'Donnell, of all people, was a lesbian? I am utterly gobsmacked and am still recovering. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley And the swine . . . is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat. _The Holy Bible: The Old Testament_, The Third Book of Moses, Called Leviticus, chapter 11, verses 7-8 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:00:54 -0500 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] six degrees of stereo separation At 09:57 AM 3/14/2002 -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > and it's really >interesting to notice the past intertanglings of various old-fart British >musicians. How about an album with (artists listed with bands they were in at time of recording): vocals: Pete Hammill (Van de Graaf Generator) Phil Collins (Genesis) Peter Gabriel (Genesis) Jane Relf (Renaissance) John (sic) Anderson (Yes) Alan Hull (Lindisfarne) guitars: Robert Fripp (King Crimson) Brinsley Schwartz (sic) (Brinsley Schwarz) bass: Nik Potter (Hawkwind) drums: Billy Rankin (Brinsley Schwarz) keyboards: Bob Andrews (Brinsley Schwarz) Rick Wakeman (Yes) Thus supplying the all-important Graham Parker/King Crimson connection. Waiting to see how long it takes Stewart to come up with an ID, MB np: Felt, "The Ballad Of The Band" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:01:18 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] Nostalgia I'm 36 and just came across the TV Party site (www.tvparty.com). God Almighty! The memories. They had a picture of 'Electra Woman and Dyna Girl' from the Sid and Marty Krofft Hour. I was so totally hot for Dyna Girl (and the blonde from Land of the Lost). Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:12:36 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Nostalgia Actually, now that I think about it, it was the blonde from 'Hello Larry', who later appeared in 'Tough Turf' with a youthful James Spader, who starred 'Sex Lies and Videotape', which featured Laura SanGiacomo, who is on 'Just Shoot Me' with David Spade, who appeared on 'Sat. Night Live' with John Belushi, who starred in 'Animal House' with Kevin Bacon that I was thinking about. Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "O Geier" To: loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: [loud-fans] Nostalgia Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:01:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [128.172.91.67] Received: from [66.89.201.78] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE5A2265006A400438CC4259C94E8DF90; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:01:32 - -0800 Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1])by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2EH1MDH006881for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g2EH1M1Q006879for loud-fans-outgoing; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (f76.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.76]) by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2EH1KDH006835 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:01:19 -0800 Received: from 128.172.91.67 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:01:18 GMT From owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:03:25 -0800 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2002 17:01:19.0203 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC62D330:01C1CB79] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from text/html by demime 0.97c Sender: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Precedence: bulk I'm 36 and just came across the TV Party site (www.tvparty.com). God Almighty! The memories. They had a picture of 'Electra Woman and Dyna Girl' from the Sid and Marty Krofft Hour. I was so totally hot for Dyna Girl (and the blonde from Land of the Lost). Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:30:40 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] One good deed a year (ns) My life is full of work: making babies cry, insulting the handicapped, mocking fans of prog-rock, supporting JR Taylor in his quest for evil, and other tasks so awful that I won't even mention them here for fear of making some poor lurker feel insecure about posting. But, I do take a break once a year to donate money to WFMU, and thought I'd put in a plug. Now that they're on the internet, they're not really regional anymore, and I can't think of any music-related organization more deserving of you're hard earned cash (or your easily earned cash, as the case may be). If you're wondering "what is WFMU," their website at wfmu.org should provide all the answers you need. Essentially, they're the best radio station in the country (no, they're better than that one you're thinking of posting about) and basically represent the shining beacon of free-form radio. They provide exposure for huge numbers of people who probably wouldn't get played *anywhere* else, and members of their staff are active in doing all sorts of good work. Their begathon is going on right now, and I've already sent them my $100, which represents a disturbingly large chunk of my annual income. Anyone interested in helping out a great cause, or in acquiring some good karma to make up for all those mp3's that you downloaded "just to see if the CD was worth buying, and it is, but I haven't had a chance to get to the record store yet" then here's your chance. In addition, on Saturday, Yo La Tengo fans will want to tune in via radio waves or the internet, as Yo La Tengo will be appearing from 5:00-7:00. Make a pledge and, if you're lucky, you can try to stump the band, who will be playing cover versions of listener-requests. Hey, maybe someone can ask them to play a song by old what's-his-name Miller. - --dana np: Unrest/"A Factory Record" ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:04:57 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans] six degrees of stereo separation On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Keegstra, Russell wrote: > JeFFrey: > >For example, I never knew there was a correct answer to the > >question "Who has played with (not necessarily recorded with) > >Roxy Music, Jethro Tull, and the Nice?" > > I assume (without looking) that the answer to that question is > Davey O'List, but I must object, because I'm pretty sure he only > auditioned for Tull and never really played with them. Well, I sorta warned you that I was relying on AMG - they claim O'List (you're right, in other words) passed briefly through Tull's ranks, albeit never recording or even, I don't think, appearing live with them. Of course, by that standard, I was in a band with Robert Fripp - I *thought* of asking him to start a band with me back when I saw him on the Frippertronics tour... > Now if that last band had been Yes, that would be different. So yr sayin...Roxy, Tull, Yes? Hmmm...of course, the Roxy/Tull combo leads you to Zappa, UK... Actually the specific period of music I've been curious about is the transition from British psychedelia to prog...so many players' apprenticeships (or more) led them through obscure (or not) psych bands en route to prog - an evolution that makes a lot of sense, and in some ways offers a better way of listening to prog than the sort of received common wisdom on it. Note also the huge folk influx on a lot of prog acts - w/o Fairport Convention, a lot of prog would sound massively different (even though they sound nothing like Fairport). This is probably an Aaron Milenski cue...at least the sixties psych portion thereof... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Solipsism is its own reward:: __Crow T. Robot__ np: The Capitol Years _Meet Yr Acres_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:09:17 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] six degrees of stereo separation >Actually the specific period of music I've been curious about is the >transition from British psychedelia to prog...so many players' >apprenticeships (or more) led them through obscure (or not) psych bands en >route to prog - an evolution that makes a lot of sense, and in some ways >offers a better way of listening to prog than the sort of received common >wisdom on it. Note also the huge folk influx on a lot of prog acts - w/o >Fairport Convention, a lot of prog would sound massively different (even >though they sound nothing like Fairport). > >This is probably an Aaron Milenski cue...at least the sixties psych >portion thereof... I guess it is, since I'm also a huge fan of British folk-rock. One I would mention would be July, who included Tom Newman and a few members of Jade Warrior. Their one psych album is quite wonderful (and I do like Tom Newman and Jade Warrior a lot too). Arzachel, who included Steve Hillage and future members of Hatfield and the North, put out what I think is the ultimate British psych album, at least in terms of being the most freaked-out, not necessarily the best. And I agree about the folk-prog connection. The Strawbs are considered a prog band by many, and some of the very best folk-rock bands had some very long prog-influenced songs. My two favorite folk-rock bands, other than Fairport Convention, are Trees and Mellow Candle, both of whom are always listed as "psych" by dealers, not as folk. You might also want to note how many British musicians went from psych and/or prog bands into the new wave. For example, Andy Ellison from John's Children in the 60s to Jet in the 70s to Radio Stars; Stewart Copeland from some godawful Americna psych band whose name I forget to Curved Air to the Police, Jackie Leven from "John St. Field" to Doll By Doll, Clive Gregson from folk band Tickawinda to Any Trouble. There are zillions more. I England, more than America, good musicians went with the trends and did so in relatively successful ways. Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #103 *******************************