From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #102 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, March 14 2002 Volume 02 : Number 102 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] language/spelling question - off-topic ["Roger Winston" <] [loud-fans] Sociology 101 Assignment Stretched To Incorporate '70s Punk Rock ["Kunkel, Mark" ] Re: [loud-fans] 24 [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] language/spelling question - off-topic [Jeffrey with 2 Fs] Re: [loud-fans] language/spelling question - off-topic [dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] language/spelling question - off-topic Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey on 3/13/2002 10:03:41 AM wrote: > And which > style manual claims you should put an extra space between a state abbrev. > and a zipcode? That would be the Style Manual To End All Style Manuals, Bob. I'm talking about the DMM. The United States Post Office Domestic Mail Manual. Check out section 224 of the Postal Addressing Standards: http://pe.usps.gov/text/pub28/pub28c2.html#508hdr15 I quote: "Format the Last Line with at least one space between the city name, two-character state abbreviation, and ZIP+4 code. Note: Two spaces are preferred between the state abbreviation and ZIP+4 code." It all goes back to automated scanning software, Bob. I used to work for a company that did shipping software. The USPS is very picking about mailing labels. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:28:24 -0600 From: "Kunkel, Mark" Subject: [loud-fans] Sociology 101 Assignment Stretched To Incorporate '70s Punk Rock In case you missed it: http://www.theonion.com/onion3809/sociology_101.html _____________________________________________________ Mark D. Kunkel Legislative Attorney Legislative Reference Bureau (608) 266-0131 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:14:33 -0500 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Where the entertainment dollars go >Andrew pointed out that I accidentally sent this to him only >instead of to the list. Sorry if it's out of date. >Andy helpfuly suggests: > >>Maybe you should cultivate an American friend who can make the purchases in >>American dollars and then ship them over the border to you, in exchange for >>reimbursement, of course. > >Nice idea, except for one flaw: since "Free Trade" applies only to >rich corporations, most anything of value to individual consumers >gets stopped by the Border folks, who then charge you an arm and a >leg to pay for them kidnapping it in the first place. Oh wait, >that's called ransom. > >What I've done is cultivate an American friend (but he's a friend, >not just my mail drop, I hasten to add; take a bow!) who receives >the stuff I buy online and then, when I visit, I pick up my >purchases and bring 'em home. It's like Christmas a couple more >times a year. I haven't needed to strap the purchases to my body or >hide them when crossing the border so far. > >Which brings to mind the question: does anyone know just how it's >legal for private companies to confiscate a parcel you've been sent, >hold it for several months, then send you an outrageous invoice >you're expected to pay to claim your property? I suppose they're >subcontractors, but what's up with that? A couple of years ago, for >instance, a friend from the US sent me an action figure (Steve >Ditko's the Creeper, if you're wondering) he'd paid a buck >for...then silence, for seven or so months. Then I got an invoice >from some company in Mississauga asking for around fifteen dollars >for some unnamed package, no description of contents (I assumed it >was the missing figure). I never replied, since I won't play ball >with these crooks. Maybe it's different in the US, I don't know. > >>Hm...up until last year I hadn't seen anything to seriously challenge REPO >>MAN, BLADE RUNNER, ERASERHEAD, DAZED AND CONFUSED, and TRUST. Last year's >>THE PRICE OF MILK, AMORES PERROS, YI YI, and maybe GHOST WORLD, >>though...they came close. > >For me, especially Yi Yi. But it's not so much recent films that >challenge the hierarchy, it's older films I hadn't had a chance to >see. > >>Cineplex Odeon was the spearhead, if memory serves. They eventually booted >>that CEO's moneygrubbing heinie. But it didn't bring ticket prices back >>down. > >A local competitor of Cineplex Odeon and Famous Players, Guzzo >Cinemas, lodged a complaint with the Canadian government who looked >into things and found that, indeed, there was a shared monopoly and >a price collusion between the two giants. Naturally, as Odeon was >under chapter 11 at the time, they couldn't prosecute them. It takes >great managerial skills to drive a company into the red when you're >operating a monopoly. Enron is, indeed, the tip of the accounting >Iceberg. > >Rick - -- ****** "Zodiac Killer needs that crack" ******* Scott Walker, "Man from Reno" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:14:10 -0500 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: Fwd: Re: [loud-fans] Where the entertainment dollars go >Andrew pointed out that I accidentally sent this to him only >instead of to the list. Sorry if it's out of date. >Andy helpfuly suggests: > >>Maybe you should cultivate an American friend who can make the purchases in >>American dollars and then ship them over the border to you, in exchange for >>reimbursement, of course. > >Nice idea, except for one flaw: since "Free Trade" applies only to >rich corporations, most anything of value to individual consumers >gets stopped by the Border folks, who then charge you an arm and a >leg to pay for them kidnapping it in the first place. Oh wait, >that's called ransom. > >What I've done is cultivate an American friend (but he's a friend, >not just my mail drop, I hasten to add; take a bow!) who receives >the stuff I buy online and then, when I visit, I pick up my >purchases and bring 'em home. It's like Christmas a couple more >times a year. I haven't needed to strap the purchases to my body or >hide them when crossing the border so far. > >Which brings to mind the question: does anyone know just how it's >legal for private companies to confiscate a parcel you've been sent, >hold it for several months, then send you an outrageous invoice >you're expected to pay to claim your property? I suppose they're >subcontractors, but what's up with that? A couple of years ago, for >instance, a friend from the US sent me an action figure (Steve >Ditko's the Creeper, if you're wondering) he'd paid a buck >for...then silence, for seven or so months. Then I got an invoice >from some company in Mississauga asking for around fifteen dollars >for some unnamed package, no description of contents (I assumed it >was the missing figure). I never replied, since I won't play ball >with these crooks. Maybe it's different in the US, I don't know. > >>Hm...up until last year I hadn't seen anything to seriously challenge REPO >>MAN, BLADE RUNNER, ERASERHEAD, DAZED AND CONFUSED, and TRUST. Last year's >>THE PRICE OF MILK, AMORES PERROS, YI YI, and maybe GHOST WORLD, >>though...they came close. > >For me, especially Yi Yi. But it's not so much recent films that >challenge the hierarchy, it's older films I hadn't had a chance to >see. > >>Cineplex Odeon was the spearhead, if memory serves. They eventually booted >>that CEO's moneygrubbing heinie. But it didn't bring ticket prices back >>down. > >A local competitor of Cineplex Odeon and Famous Players, Guzzo >Cinemas, lodged a complaint with the Canadian government who looked >into things and found that, indeed, there was a shared monopoly and >a price collusion between the two giants. Naturally, as Odeon was >under chapter 11 at the time, they couldn't prosecute them. It takes >great managerial skills to drive a company into the red when you're >operating a monopoly. Enron is, indeed, the tip of the accounting >Iceberg. > >Rick - -- ****** "Zodiac Killer needs that crack" ******* Scott Walker, "Man from Reno" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:22:34 -0500 From: "amy b. lewis" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] language/spelling question - off-topic another county heard from dept.: (with regrets for commenting so belatedly -- i can't post to loud-fans from work, and it's been a long day.) as the style pooh-bah at a company that publishes technology research, i enforce a house style based on AP (with modifications). thus, we render Web site as two words, with "Web" initial-capped (as we do with fellow proper noun "Internet") and email as one, no hyphen. we vaporized the hyphen in email (and online) after a style offsite in 1998; it was a controversial move, actually. for those interested in style issues, i recommend *lapsing into a comma,* an entertaining book by bill walsh. his lively and opinionated "sharp points," "carets and sticks," and other features are worth browsing at http://www.theslot.com/. another useful, readable book for philogists is *woe is i,* by patricia t. o'conner. amy editrix and global punishing manager __ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:34:05 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Where the entertainment dollars go On Wednesday, March 13, 2002, at 10:17 AM, Richard Gagnon wrote: > I've loathed those multiplexes from the minute they showed up. Do you still have the first generation multiplexes? We may be spoiled in the Dallas area, but about 5 years ago AMC and Cinemark started building much nicer theaters. Cinemark is all stadium seating and AMC uses a mix. Our usual choice for general releases has 17 screens, including two that are 75 feet wide. Dallas even has two new multi-screen art houses, the Angelika Dallas and the Magnolia. http://www.angelikafilmcenter.com/Dallas/homepage.asp http://www.magpictures.com/main.php - - Steve __________ We've Got A Fuzzy Box, And We're Gonna Use it. Hopefully the entire Fuzzy Warbles set of demo discs (about eight?) will be mastered shortly for gradual release. Then you wont be content with your tenth generation bootleg cassettes anymore, sorry. - Idea Records, 01/16/02 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:34:54 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] 24 Just occurred to me: what planet does the show take place on where a presidential candidate, at 2 in the afternoon on the day of the California primary, can go an entire hour w/o once checking how the election's going? At the very least, *someone* on his staff surely would have checked, and let him know... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"Shut up, you truculent lout, and let the cute little pixie sing!":: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 00:59:47 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 24 Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > Just occurred to me: what planet does the show take place on where a > presidential candidate, at 2 in the afternoon on the day of the California > primary, can go an entire hour w/o once checking how the election's going? > At the very least, *someone* on his staff surely would have checked, and > let him know... > > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey He did ask someone (don't remember who) to find out how the incident at the factory had affected their ratings. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 00:10:14 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] language/spelling question - off-topic On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Roger Winston wrote: > Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey on 3/13/2002 10:03:41 AM wrote: > > > And which > > style manual claims you should put an extra space between a state abbrev. > > and a zipcode? > That would be the Style Manual To End All Style Manuals, Bob. I'm > talking about the DMM. The United States Post Office Domestic Mail > Manual. Check out section 224 of the Postal Addressing Standards: > http://pe.usps.gov/text/pub28/pub28c2.html#508hdr15 > > I quote: > "Format the Last Line with at least one space between the city name, > two-character state abbreviation, and ZIP+4 code. > Note: Two spaces are preferred between the state abbreviation and ZIP+4 code." Uh-yeh..."ZIP+4 code"! Doesn't say anything about plain ol' five-digit zipcode. (And if you think I'm going to write "zip" in all-caps, just because it's an acronym for Zone Improvement...uh, Pointillism...well, I'm not.) Incidentally, some gubmint agencies have started using the absurd ZIP+7 code. You've probably figured out that, with ZIP+4, most of the address is redundant: you could send a letter to me addressed only to "53207-3965" and the carrier would have only six houses or so to choose from. So of course, the USPS decided, in some cases (the only place I've seen it is on mail from the IRS) to add another three digits...which, if you live in a house (as opposed to an apt., etc.) is actually one more digit than you need... "53207-396520x" (I don't know our last digit) means "y20" (where "y" is the block, if your address is on a grid system...in my case, the 300 E. block).... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::does "anal retentive" have a hyphen?:: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 01:21:52 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] language/spelling question - off-topic On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > (or, weirder, writing "FAX" in all-caps...what's *that* about? And which > style manual claims you should put an extra space between a state abbrev. > and a zipcode? And who put the bomp?) somebody set us up the bomp! take off every ZIP+4. - -- d., clearly in bad need of sleep ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #102 *******************************