From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #99 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, March 12 2002 Volume 02 : Number 099 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Southern Partisan [=?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?= ] Re: [loud-fans] Ashcroft & Thomas make with the oil [jsharple@bls.brookla] Re: [loud-fans] Southern Partisan [Michael Bowen ] Re: [loud-fans] Ashcroft & Thomas make with the oil ["Joseph M. Mallon" <] Re: [loud-fans] Answers to many unasked questions ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Ashcroft & Thomas make with the oil [jsharple@bls.brookla] Re: [loud-fans] Ashcroft & Thomas make with the oil [Robert Toren ] Re: [loud-fans] Ashcroft & Thomas make with the oil [jsharple@bls.brookla] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Lauren Ambrose ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] [loud-fans] new topic! [Gil Ray ] [loud-fans] oops, new topic! [Gil Ray ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Lauren Ambrose ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] [loud-fans] Six Feet Way Under (was Re: Lauren Ambrose) [Bill Silvers ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Lauren Ambrose Re: [Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com] [loud-fans] warning: content is music, not politics or TV shows [jenny gr] RE: [loud-fans] oops, new topic! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] oops, new topic! [jenny grover ] RE: [loud-fans] oops, new topic! ["R. Kevin Doyle" ] Re: [loud-fans] oops, new topic! [Gil Ray ] Re: [loud-fans] oops, new topic! [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] oops, new topic! [jenny grover ] [loud-fans] The Fighting Whities [Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com] [loud-fans] Now It's Overhead (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:01:29 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?= Subject: [loud-fans] Southern Partisan "Newly arrived in New York City, I puzzled, 'Where are the Americans?' for I met only Italians, Jews, Puerto Ricans." - --Patrick Brophy, Second Quarter/1991 >> Wow, that must be one of the dumbest things I've read in a long while. And I do get to read and hear a lot of stupid things, what with an extreme-right wing party being the biggest political party here in Antwerp. Toodlepip, - -Stef Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 05:04:31 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ashcroft & Thomas make with the oil In a message dated 3/11/02 8:49:04 PM, jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu writes: << Well, I looked and looked, and nothing about hanging out for drinks. Aw, shit, you haven't been caught inventing quotes on the list *again* have you? >> One last note on this sad affair before I head out of town, and it might even explain Sharple's mangling of that Michael Moore quote. In one of his off-list e-mails (the scariest ones yet, by the way), Sharples boasts of how he intentionally misquoted John Ashcroft so that the focus would then shift to the content of Southern Partisan magazine. ("I still can't get over how blithely you walked into that SOUTHERN PARTISAN trap," he helpfully adds.) Considering his inability to back up his charges of Ashcroft being a racist, this almost sounds believable. To be honest, though, it still sounds more like self-delusion. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:06:29 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Alias, 24, and other new shows At Monday 3/11/2002 11:45 PM -0500, Richard Gagnon wrote of The Agency, a show I've never seen: >I guess it won't last much longer than American Gothic or EZ Streets, the >last shows I cared about on CBS... Actually, I was reading an article in the paper the other day comparing the new CIA shows, and apparently The Agency does better in the ratings than either Alias or 24. Though I'm not sure it pulls in the desirable demographics that the other two do. I've also heard that in some weird way that I'm too lazy to research, 24 makes money for Fox. So maybe it will show up for a 2nd season, Joe. Never turn down free drinks, Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:58:51 -0600 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Southern Partisan Stef highlights the following quote: "Newly arrived in New York City, I puzzled, 'Where are the Americans?' for I met only Italians, Jews, Puerto Ricans." - --Patrick Brophy, Second Quarter/1991 <><><><><><> Stupid indeed Stef. And what's worse, with a name like "Brophy", he's probably *Irish*. - --DCM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:27:43 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ashcroft in SOUTHERN PARTISAN At 09:35 PM 3/11/2002 -0500, jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu wrote: >Ashcroft in SOUTHERN PARTISAN: > >"Your magazine also helps set the record straight. You've got a heritage >of doing that, of defending Southern patriots like Lee, Jackson and Davis. >Traditionalists must do more. I've got to do more. We've all got to stand >up and speak in this respect, or else we'll be taught that these people >were giving their lives, subscribing their sacred fortunes and their honor >to some perverted agenda." > >I'm not up on my Civil War history, maybe Miles can help out here. How >did these patriots come by their "sacred fortunes?" I'm hesitant to wade into waters as contentious as those surrounding the Civil War (Jen, I really will get back to our discussion about Northern Alabama!). But off the top of my head, Lee was an old-money slaveowner, Jeff Davis was part of the new-money planter-ocracy that sprung up in Alabama, Mississippi, and East Texas during the westward expansion of the cotton economy in the 1830s and 1840s, and Jackson was a man of modest means, born in the hills of what is now West Virginia and eking out a living as a not-very-loved professor at VMI before the war propelled him to near-instant fame. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:25:16 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Gabriel Subject: [loud-fans] 9/11, 24, 666, etc. To catch up on several threads: 1] "24" is easily my favorite new show (not that there's a whole lot of competition). Sure it has its shares of action/adventure cliche, but it is still SO much better than 90% of the dreck on TV these days. Just the fact that I've been surprised by ANY plot twists in a major network program is reason enough to watch. Sure, several could be figgered out from miles away ("Alan York" was actually a bad guy), but many of them threw me for a loop (Mild-mannered Orange County businessman starts cursing Jack in fluent Serbian). I still don't know how they can do future seasons using this very limiting format. 2] John Ashcroft is freaky, and this is coming from a Republican and evangelical Christian. But then again, I've always been pro-breast in my statuary preference. The guy's creeped me out for a long time -- I warned my very liberal brother about him years ago. 3] My wife really enjoys "Southern Partisan" for its homey decorating tips and yummy cobbler recipes! Wait.... maybe I'm thinking of "Southern Living". Eh, same diff. I'm just glad she's stopped receiving sample issues of "Modern Klansman" and "S: The Strom Magazine". 4] NEW SUBJECT! I'm surprised no one is talking about the program "9/11" on CBS Sunday night. I thought it was amazing. Little to no schmaltz, cynical flag-waving, or hype -- just the matter-of-fact reality of an unbelievable day. There were images shown that I'll keep with me for quite a while: the circling dust and useless sheet of business paper blowing in front of a fallen camera, the unpredictable thuds of unknown bodies, the burly firefighter vomiting after his return to the station, the surreal image of a bloodied fat businessman walking alone through a duststorm in deserted Manhattan.... and so many more. It was a welcome reminder of how we have to prevent this from ever happening again. 5] Did anyone see the new "Colin Quinn Show" last night? I couldn't believe the amount of racial epithets flying around. And the manner seemed to be more "we're laughing at you" than "we're laughing with you." Strange. ===== 777777777777777777777777777777 JON GABRIEL mesa, arizona usa inkling communication + design 777777777777777777777777777777 Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:33:40 -0500 (EST) From: jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ashcroft & Thomas make with the oil Sorry, I'd decided to retire from this discussion but I'm forced just to make one last comment: On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 JRT456@aol.com wrote: > In one of his > off-list e-mails (the scariest ones yet, by the way), Sharples boasts of how > he intentionally misquoted John Ashcroft so that the focus would then shift > to the content of Southern Partisan magazine. ("I still can't get over how > blithely you walked into that SOUTHERN PARTISAN trap," he helpfully adds.) Never mind that JR's back to his familiar shitheel trick of putting private e-mail on-line (I expect it of him now); JR assumed he knew what I meant above, but he got it all wrong (surprising?). What I meant was I couldn't believe he set a trap for *himself* when *he* raised the whole Ashcroft-racism issue, opening the way for a full-blown discussion of Ashcroft's praise for SOUTHERN PARTISAN...and man! I had no idea how insanely racist that mag actually is until now. If you ask me, that was the "scariest" thing to come out of all this. Oh, and thanks for finally setting the record perfectly straight on the Michael Moore business, dude! I could not have done it better myself. Over and out, JS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:17:17 -0500 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Southern Partisan At 08:01 AM 3/12/2002 +0000, Stef Hurts wrote: >"Newly arrived in New York City, I puzzled, 'Where are the Americans?' for >I met only Italians, Jews, Puerto Ricans." >--Patrick Brophy, Second Quarter/1991 > >> > >Wow, that must be one of the dumbest things I've read in a long while. Actually, it's not quite as dumb as it sounds. Speaking as a southerner transplanted to the NYC area, I was amazed at the way the locals self-identified themselves as Irish, Italian, Polish, etc. I particularly remember when I started working at one office that one of my co-workers asked me "What are you?" After ascertaining that she was asking about my "heritage", I told her that I was an American. This answer was unsatisfactory, even though I explained to her that my father's family and their relations had been living in America for a century before the Revolution, and that anything before that is blurry and irrelevant. She still wanted to know "what I was". Finally, I mentioned that my mother was a refugee from East Germany and that was enough; my co-worker said, "Oh, you're German" and she was happy. She had a box to put me in. (Her family was originally from India, moved to become shopkeepers in Uganda, and ended up in Kenya after Idi Amin threw the Indians out. If you asked her where she was from, she'd say Kenya.) The southern part of the US (Virginia and below) has been, for most of its history, the home of two ethnic groups: a group of Anglo-Scotch-Irish immigrants, mostly from lowland Scotland, northwestern England, and Ulster (they came in two waves IIRC - one between 1650 and 1675 and another about 70 years later - Miles may remember better) and their descendants, and West African slaves and their descendants. Later waves of migration mostly by-passed the south; Germans and Scandinavians largely moved to the midwest, the Irish, Italians, and Jews largely stayed in the Northeast, and Eastern Europeans moved from the Northeast into the industrial Great Lakes region. Because there weren't that many newcomers, the "natural" southern mental map pretty much divided in two: there were blacks and whites and that was it. That didn't hold true up north, as each successive wave of immigrants had to define and defend themselves against the people who were already there. This, combined with typical human clannishness, tended to pull people into self-defined enclaves. Because of that, you still find large numbers of people in the New York area who define themselves as Irish even though their forebears emigrated during the potato famine of the 1840s, or as Italian, even though the closest they've ever been to Rome is the local Catholic church. MB np: Leonard Cohen, "Democracy" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:29:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ashcroft & Thomas make with the oil Perhaps John & JR could settle their dispute off-list, since it's degenerated into the usual morass of name-calling and fact-skewing, and, for me, it's pretty dull watching you two go at each other's throats time and time again. Okay - you have wildly differing politcal views - WE GET IT! Who besides me thinks Lauren Ambrose is really cute? J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:31:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Answers to many unasked questions On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > > > Carl Newman, re: the bras & panties thrown on stage during their show: > > "Wow! Five pieces of underwear! That beats our old record...by 5!" > > So, what...does he look like Tom Jones? They were draped on mic stands and amps. > or were folks hoping, uh, mebbe Neko'd model 'em? She did. Yes, it was very... J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:40:51 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Lauren Ambrose > Who besides me thinks Lauren Ambrose is really cute? I am *so* with you. She's like a cross between Claire Danes and Tori Amos; you could hardly computer-generate a character more likely to appeal to me. And looking her up in IMDB I discover that I am now old enough for a movie actress to be both a) way too young for me and b) married already. Ugh. glenn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:42:28 -0500 (EST) From: jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ashcroft & Thomas make with the oil This is an open-topic list and I think calls for self-censorship are inappropriate. Plenty of threads here don't interest me, so I just delete them. JS Quoting "Joseph M. Mallon" : > Perhaps John & JR could settle their dispute off-list, since it's > degenerated into the usual morass of name-calling and fact-skewing, > and, > for me, it's pretty dull watching you two go at each other's throats > time > and time again. Okay - you have wildly differing politcal views - WE > GET > IT! > > Who besides me thinks Lauren Ambrose is really cute? > > J. Mallon > - ------------------------------------------------- BROOKLYN LAW SCHOOL WEBMAIL: info.brooklaw.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:59:32 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ashcroft & Thomas make with the oil - --- jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu wrote: > This is an open-topic list and I think calls for > self-censorship are > inappropriate. Plenty of threads here don't > interest me, so I just delete them. > > JS maybe joe's referring to the heated, obscenity-laced shouting matches? tho i feel by saying anything i risk being targeted for more of the same. maybe that's the problem rt > Quoting "Joseph M. Mallon" : > > > Perhaps John & JR could settle their dispute > off-list, since it's > > degenerated into the usual morass of name-calling > and fact-skewing, ===== "Monotheistic religion has always brought out the best in us humans; thank you so much for the idea of a vengeful supernatural entity who rewards people in the afterlife! That shit makes a lot of sense!"http://www.mnftiu.cc/ Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:59:39 EST From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Lauren Ambrose In a message dated 3/12/02 10:44:14 AM, glenn@furia.com writes: << > Who besides me thinks Lauren Ambrose is really cute? <> I'd agree. She's cute, and does a great job. Have to say though, that her character's continuing attachment to "Gabe" is starting to wear a bit thin -- to the point of becoming kinda unbeliveable. In fact, I'd say it's one of the weaknesses of the show. I mean, OK, I understand that the Fishers are somewhat dysfunctional, and maybe she's not getting enough love at home. But, MAN....Gabe is a disASter -- AND he treats her like absolute shit. From the coming attractions the other night, looks like she wasn't able to follow through on being done with this idiot. Left ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:06:07 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Lauren Ambrose Check out the re-caps at Television without mercy http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show.cgi?show=68 This guy is hilarious, and his obsession with Lauren is almost unhealthy. Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "glenn mcdonald" To: "Joseph M. Mallon" CC: "Sharing...caring..." Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Lauren Ambrose Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:40:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [66.89.201.78] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE5797620077400431DF4259C94EFE3D0; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:43:49 - -0800 Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1])by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2CIhfDH008820for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:43:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g2CIhfk5008815for loud-fans-outgoing; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:43:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from outpost.smoe.org (outpost.smoe.org [64.254.172.50]) by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2CIhdDH008789 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:43:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from everlast.instinctive.com (everlast.eroom.com [12.30.62.14]) by outpost.smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2CIhcIK024280 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from glenn (inferno.eroom.com [12.25.42.226]) by everlast.instinctive.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id G4Z36GZ3; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:32:55 -0500 From owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:45:48 - -0800 Message-ID: <014401c1c9f5$6facca50$2f28a8c0@glenn> References: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Precedence: bulk > Who besides me thinks Lauren Ambrose is really cute? I am *so* with you. She's like a cross between Claire Danes and Tori Amos; you could hardly computer-generate a character more likely to appeal to me. And looking her up in IMDB I discover that I am now old enough for a movie actress to be both a) way too young for me and b) married already. Ugh. glenn - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:13:53 -0500 (EST) From: jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ashcroft & Thomas make with the oil Quoting Robert Toren : > maybe joe's referring to the heated, obscenity-laced > shouting matches? First of all, Rob, when the fuck did internet obscenity suddenly begin to bother you, secondly, if you followed my advice and deleted posts that didn't interest you you would be unaware of their content, and thirdly, how exactly does one 'shout' on the internet? I know the answer, with caps lock, but there was none of that, and I believe the obscenity in that thread amounted to me saying "shit" once. Personally, I really enjoyed the thread and learned some interesting things. Several listers wrote me privately and expressed their interest and enjoyment. But YOU would suggest that we do without because you and Joe won't hit the delete button, and/or can't bring yourself to ignore the discussion? Look, *I* know threads like that are thoroughly obnoxious to some people, but they interest others, and since the nature of e-mail doesn't force this content on you I think the lesser of two evils is for you to hit delete. JS - ------------------------------------------------- BROOKLYN LAW SCHOOL WEBMAIL: info.brooklaw.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:16:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Lauren Ambrose On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 LeftyZ@aol.com wrote: > Have to say though, that her character's continuing attachment to "Gabe" is > starting to wear a bit thin -- to the point of becoming kinda unbeliveable. > In fact, I'd say it's one of the weaknesses of the show. I mean, OK, I > understand that the Fishers are somewhat dysfunctional, and maybe she's not > getting enough love at home. But, MAN....Gabe is a disASter -- AND he > treats her like absolute shit. From the coming attractions the other night, > looks like she wasn't able to follow through on being done with this idiot. Since SIX FEET UNDER's episodes are written by different writers, there's been some wild inconsistency re: relationships. Why did Keith take David to visit his sister shortly after telling him that David needed to find new people to see? What's happened to Brenda this year? She's like a ghost. I am also pretty disappointed with Ruth's falling into a cult. Doesn't mean I'll stop watching, though. J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:16:08 -0600 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ashcroft & Thomas make with the oil >Who besides me thinks Lauren Ambrose is really cute? > >J. Mallon I figured I wasn't alone in my admiration, but good for you Joe, stepping out front with yours. I can't say I've been able to stick through a complete viewing of "Psycho Beach Party," but I've half-tried, anyway. b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:24:08 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Lauren Ambrose > Have to say though, that her character's continuing attachment to "Gabe" > is starting to wear a bit thin From the preview of next week's episode, I have a strong feeling it will be my last. Claire and Nate are the only two characters I care anything about, and I don't care about them enough to put up with the other crap. Gabe is a loser, the younger brother is odious, the mother is wearying, the dead father is depthless, Brenda is painful, the dream sequences are overbearing, and I'm tired of the setting. The mother joining a drippy self-empowerment cult may well be the last straw. I wish Sports Night were still on. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:38:43 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] new topic! __________________________________________________ Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:40:19 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] oops, new topic! Let's talk about how cute I used to be! Gil (who is every bit as crazy as Scott) :-) Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:51:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Lauren Ambrose On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, glenn mcdonald wrote: > >From the preview of next week's episode, I have a strong feeling it will be my > last. Claire and Nate are the only two characters I care anything about, and I > don't care about them enough to put up with the other crap. Gabe is a loser, > the younger brother is odious, the mother is wearying, the dead father is > depthless, Brenda is painful, the dream sequences are overbearing, and I'm > tired of the setting. The mother joining a drippy self-empowerment cult may > well be the last straw. Therein lies my main problem with the show - its preciousness. It thinks it's so much more daring camerawork- and writing-wise than it is. Still, better perhaps to overreach than settle. > I wish Sports Night were still on. I hear ya! What ever happened to Josh Charles? Hey, anyone else think Sabrina Lloyd is also hella cute? How about Maura Tierney ca. NEWSRADIO? How aboout Gil? What a cutie! Tiget Beat on line 3, J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:49:48 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] oops, new topic! I think the Geneva Convention expressly forbids referring to drummers as "cute" except in cases where they don't actually play the drums. This is part of the reason, I believe, that Dave Grohl switched to guitar. The officially approved terms, at least as far as I know, for attractive drummers are "hot," "slamming," "pounding," "easy on the eyes" and "sexy in a Lenny Kravitz's drummer kind of way." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:52:41 -0600 From: Bill Silvers Subject: [loud-fans] Six Feet Way Under (was Re: Lauren Ambrose) Glenn McDonald wrote: > From the preview of next week's episode, I have a strong feeling it will > be my >last. Claire and Nate are the only two characters I care anything about, and I >don't care about them enough to put up with the other crap. Gabe is a loser, >the younger brother is odious, the mother is wearying, the dead father is >depthless, Brenda is painful, the dream sequences are overbearing, and I'm >tired of the setting. The mother joining a drippy self-empowerment cult may >well be the last straw. Whoa, hold on there. Gabe is certainly a loser, but they've at least done a reasonable job of setting up his running off the rails (He never had far to go, no). If anything, David is the most compelling character on the show for me, and his struggle with himself as brought out by Michael C. Hall is one of the show's biggest strengths. Hall deserves an Emmy nomination, IMO, every bit as much as Peter Krause and Rachel Griffiths (a far more obvious, but nonetheless persistent source of whoa! attraction than anybody on teevee. Painful? Well, we do see this differently.) did for their Golden Globe nominations. I'm not as interested in where they're taking Ruth's character so far, but I'm on board for the ride. But hey... > I wish Sports Night were still on. Me too. Big time. "The West Wing," generally good though heavy-handed as it is, isn't a patch on my favorite teevee half-hour of the 90s. FWIW, though The Comedy Channel has exiled it to just three showings a week (and that at 3:30AM Eastern, WThF), their schedule shows them finishing the last three episodes of the series this week, then going back to the beginning again next week. VCR alert. And in the spirit of Joe's original question, did anybody else think that the (frightening) picture of Jennifer Garner on the March 8 cover of Entertainment Weekly resembled Mick Jagger in drag? b.s. b.s ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:07:21 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] oops, new topic! <> If you remember, on TTETC, Scott informed us Gil had switched to guitar, saying he had been 'injured' in an 'accident'. Hmmmm.. Great quotes from drummers: 'Hey, take the chord out and hook it up to the fucking pole' Drummer from 'Cold Gin' a Kiss tribute band, when the power went out during 'Firehouse' 'These boots are heavy and they rock' Carmine Appice-at a drum clinic in LA, which is all he seems to have done for the past 20 years. Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Reply-To: To: "Loud list" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] oops, new topic! Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:49:48 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [66.89.201.78] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE57A7880070400437104259C94E8B200; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:52:42 - -0800 Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1])by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2CJqVDH017978for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g2CJqUkY017958for loud-fans-outgoing; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from midpac.edu (cyclops.cyber-hawaii.com [216.235.34.11]) by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2CJqQDH017835 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:52:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from guest [204.128.204.55] by midpac.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AD89ED00F4; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:56:57 -1000 From owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:52:58 -0800 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020312194019.78315.qmail@web11403.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Precedence: bulk The officially approved terms, at least as far as I know, for attractive drummers are "hot," "slamming," "pounding," "easy on the eyes" and "sexy in a Lenny Kravitz's drummer kind of way." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:20:27 -0600 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Lauren Ambrose Re: Wow, you know who I think is really cute on TV? The Pillsbury Dough Boy. Couldn't ya just eat him up? Va va voom! Although the new thing in this season's ad campaign where instead of being poked and giggling, he does all those extreme sports, seems really implausible, if you really think about the character. - --DM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:21:58 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] warning: content is music, not politics or TV shows Clint Conley's band, Consonant, will perform this Saturday, March 16 at TT the Bear's on Brookline Street in Central Square, Cambridge. Advance tickets are available at the club. Consonant's debut album will be released April 9 on the Fenway Recordings label . Consonant features: Clint Conley (Mission of Burma), guitar/vocals Winston Braman (Fuzzy, the Count-Me-Outs), bass Chris Brokaw (Come, The New Year, Pullman, Codeine), guitar Matt Kadane (The New Year, Bedhead, Silkworm), drums http://www.fenwayrecordings.com/Artists/consonant.html The bill also includes the Binary System, featuring Burma's Roger Miller, with the rumor of a guest appearance by Peter Prescott. http://rogermiller.home.mindspring.com/binary.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:29:03 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans] oops, new topic! On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, R. Kevin Doyle wrote: > The officially approved terms, at least as far as I know, for attractive > drummers are "hot," "slamming," "pounding," "easy on the eyes" and "sexy in > a Lenny Kravitz's drummer kind of way." Don't know if you know it, but that drummer's hair was Scott's hair's arch-nemesis in a cosmic battle for tonsorial goodness and justice. (Or at least that was the premise of a comic strip I never produced - because I can't draw nearly as well as a spastic left-handed chimp in bondage gear.) But R. Kevin...you're forgetting the ass-sweat fetishists... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::pushing the pencil not the envelope:: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:33:36 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] Joe Mallon contact me offlist please!!! Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey To: "someone please...make it stop!!!!" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] oops, new topic! Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:29:03 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [66.89.201.78] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE57B05F00594004321D4259C94E951A0; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:30:33 - -0800 Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1])by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2CKTBDH013385for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:29:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g2CKTBX3013378for loud-fans-outgoing; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from batch3.csd.uwm.edu (batch3.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.7.226]) by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2CKT5DH013259 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha3.csd.uwm.edu (jenor@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.169.203]) by batch3.csd.uwm.edu (8.8.4/8.6.8) with ESMTP id OAA04055 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:29:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (jenor@localhost) by alpha3.csd.uwm.edu (8.8.4/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA32172 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:29:03 -0600 (CST) From owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:32:27 -0800 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sender: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, R. Kevin Doyle wrote: > The officially approved terms, at least as far as I know, for attractive > drummers are "hot," "slamming," "pounding," "easy on the eyes" and "sexy in > a Lenny Kravitz's drummer kind of way." Don't know if you know it, but that drummer's hair was Scott's hair's arch-nemesis in a cosmic battle for tonsorial goodness and justice. (Or at least that was the premise of a comic strip I never produced - because I can't draw nearly as well as a spastic left-handed chimp in bondage gear.) But R. Kevin...you're forgetting the ass-sweat fetishists... --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::pushing the pencil not the envelope:: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:44:59 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] oops, new topic! Gil Ray wrote: > > Let's talk about how cute I used to be! > Gil (who is every bit as crazy as Scott) > :-) You're still cute, honey. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:49:11 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] oops, new topic! "R. Kevin Doyle" wrote: > > I think the Geneva Convention expressly forbids referring to drummers as > "cute" except in cases where they don't actually play the drums. This is > part of the reason, I believe, that Dave Grohl switched to guitar. > > The officially approved terms, at least as far as I know, for attractive > drummers are "hot," "slamming," "pounding," "easy on the eyes" and "sexy in > a Lenny Kravitz's drummer kind of way." Oh, come on. Hang around the Soundgarden/post-Soundgarden scene and you'll hear many references to Matt Cameron that include the word "cute." And he manages to be the frontman, literally, in Wellwater Conspiracy- not only the primary vocalist as well as drummer, but his drums are set up front and center. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:56:51 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] oops, new topic! Jenny Grover writes: >Oh, come on. Hang around the Soundgarden/post-Soundgarden scene and >you'll hear many references to Matt Cameron that include the word >"cute." And he manages to be the frontman, literally, in Wellwater >Conspiracy- not only the primary vocalist as well as drummer, but his >drums are set up front and center. Yeah, well, if he is the frontman, he is allowed to be referred to as "cute." Note Phil Collin's transformation from "hairy short guy" to "cute in a Keebler's elf sort of way" once he took over the vocals for Genesis. Thus, a drummer who is also a frontman is no longer a pure drummer and can be referred to as "cute." - ---- I had forgotten that Gil moved to guitar for a time. Ergo, Gil can be referred to as cute without offending any of the laws of the universe. R. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:08:41 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] oops, new topic! See! This is a GREAT topic! (thanks Jen! I'll send the cash right away!) Gil (the elfin) - --- jenny grover wrote: > Gil Ray wrote: > > > > Let's talk about how cute I used to be! > > Gil (who is every bit as crazy as Scott) > > :-) > > You're still cute, honey. > > Jen Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:48:54 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] oops, new topic! "R. Kevin Doyle" wrote: > > Yeah, well, if he is the frontman, he is allowed to be referred to as > "cute." He was referred to as cute long before he was a frontman or did any more than a smattering of minimal background vocals. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:53:52 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] oops, new topic! Gil Ray wrote: > > See! This is a GREAT topic! (thanks Jen! I'll send the > cash right away!) > Gil (the elfin) I can always use cash. (Amazing the things I'll do for money). Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:13:33 -0600 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: [loud-fans] The Fighting Whities This item from today's Chicago Sun Times is too damn funny. I had to share. - --D Indian team dubs itself 'Whities' GREELY, Colo. - Unable to persuade a school to change a name it considers offensive, a group of American Indian students at the University of Northern Colorado named its intramural basketball team "The Fighting Whities." The team chose a white man as its mascot to raise awareness of stereotypes. "The message is, let's do something that will let people see the other side of what it's like to be a mascot, said Solomon Little Owl, a member of the team and director of Native American Student Services at the university. The team, made up of American Indians and others, wears jerseys that say "Every thang's going to be all white." The students are upset with Eaton High School for using an American Indian caricature on the team logo. The team is called the Reds. "It's not meant to be vicious, it is meant to be humorous," said Ray White, a Mohawk on the team "It puts people in our shoes." Eaton School District superintendent John Nuspl said the school's logo is not derogatory and called the criticism insulting. AP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:19:55 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Now It's Overhead (ns) This lack of internet access can be annoying sometimes. I was on my way home and stopped off at Holy Cow to order yet another Larry Coryell CD (BTW, "Lady Coryell"'s track of the same name is stunner #2 from this guy, and at times is a dead ringer for "European Son." Highly recommended) and they were playing something in the store that was intriguing. "I don't like the guy's voice" said I, "but I love everything else." The CD in question appears to have no title, and appears to be by a band called "Now It's Overhead," and it appears to have come out in '01 on the Saddle Creek label, which I've never heard of. How to describe it. The vocals themselves betray the band's apparent Georgia origins. I can hear some Michael Stipe in there and maybe a smidge of the guy from Mercury Rev, but not so high-pitched. It bugs me a bit, but I suspect that lots of people round here would like it. The music is really interesting: melodic with lots of "ah ah ah" backing vocals, patterned drums, keyboard washes, atmospheric sounds, touches of piano, etc. It sounds like what I imagine REM have been aiming for recently, but seems to hit where they missed. There's plenty of guitar as well, lest I scare people off, but the overall effect is sort of like what might happen if Brian Eno produced a recent REM album. Let's be honest: I really dislike REM and anyone who sounds remotely like Michael Stipe, but I think this is pretty good. Not sure if it's been discussed here, but I think that folks who've kept buying REM albums might want to investigate. The website is saddle-creek.com. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! 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