From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #96 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, March 11 2002 Volume 02 : Number 096 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Ashcroft & Thomas make with the oil [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Je] [loud-fans] Shameful promo ["Vallor" ] [loud-fans] more Shameful promo ["Vallor" ] [loud-fans] Fusion stuff [Carolyn Dorsey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 23:33:10 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ashcroft & Thomas make with the oil On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Roger Winston wrote: > At Sunday 3/10/2002 10:31 PM -0700, Roger Winston wrote: > > >John, I think you should lay off John Ashcroft. Anyone who can go from > >bass player in the Psychedelic Furs to Surgeon General of these Great > >United States is alright in my book. > > Whoops! I meant "guitarist" in the Psychedelic Furs. Sorry for the confusion. Well, he played bass on a couple of the early demos - back when they were good, before they sold out, ma-a-a-an. Plus, he fathered Richard Ashcroft of the Verve, back in his hippie days hanging out with Janis Joplin and furiously scrubbing his member with abrasive soaps. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 21:40:51 -0500 From: "Vallor" Subject: [loud-fans] Shameful promo Hey Loud people- I'm going to take down my sale list on Tuesday and won't be selling stuff for a while. So if you'd like to take a look here: http://home.attbi.com/~cassetto/salepage.html Just be aware that payments received after Tuesday will not be mailed for about a week and a 1/2. There's things like... Game Theory- Dead Center LP Game Theory- songbook (likely the last copies available for a while) Badfinger UK double No Dice Alex Chilton's Bachs Bottom & Like Flies LP's Continental Drifters first CD (P Holsapple with some mates from Bangles & Dream Syndicate) Lot's of Flying Nun stuff Some Robyn Hitchcock rarities Donner Party's first LP Some Sarah stuff the first mix of Chris Stamey's It's A Wonderful Life also the Instant Excitement and the It's Alright LP some Wombles LPs Best to ya- Dan Vallor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 21:42:33 -0500 From: "Vallor" Subject: [loud-fans] more Shameful promo Oh, and I marked almost all of it down too. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vallor" To: Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 9:40 PM Subject: Shameful promo > Hey Loud people- I'm going to take down my sale list on Tuesday and won't be > selling stuff for a while. So if you'd like to take a look here: > > http://home.attbi.com/~cassetto/salepage.html > > Just be aware that payments received after Tuesday will not be mailed for > about a week and a 1/2. > > There's things like... > > Game Theory- Dead Center LP > > Game Theory- songbook (likely the last copies available for a while) > > Badfinger UK double No Dice > > Alex Chilton's Bachs Bottom & Like Flies LP's > > Continental Drifters first CD (P Holsapple with some mates from Bangles & > Dream Syndicate) > > Lot's of Flying Nun stuff > > Some Robyn Hitchcock rarities > > Donner Party's first LP > > Some Sarah stuff > > the first mix of Chris Stamey's It's A Wonderful Life also the Instant > Excitement and the It's Alright LP > > some Wombles LPs > > Best to ya- Dan Vallor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 00:45:16 -0800 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] Fusion stuff Kind of a ramble here-- I know it's not fair to judge a genre or an artist by their audience but I did that for the longest time. I associated the word fusion with what spoiled suburban guys who smoked alot of dope in their dorm rooms listened to. That is how I experienced it when it was popular in the mid to late 70s. I didn't think there was generally alot of feeling in much of the music. I thought you needed to be high to appreciate it. I thought it was wanky, there were lot of long unmelodious solos and it seemed to me to be more about technical ability than a search for an expression but I think that was just a prejudice I had in alot of ways. I think what we were hearing that was popular at the time was the commercial tail end of what had started as something much more interesting. My knowledge of fusion bands in the late seventies were the well known names of the people playing then-- Return to Forever, Al Dimeola, David Sanborn, - -the usual. I always thought the word fusion was more of a jazz term--that it described how a jazz oriented player would synthesize electronic, rock and funk and other sounds, rather than a musician more skilled in playing rock or blues would try to integrate jazz. Or maybe that was just my expectation of what would sound better. I think of Todd Rundgrens attempt at fusion with his band Utopia from the late 70s and in my opinion it was really bad and I think that was pretty fusion-y. (What a jump he made from writing catchy soul hits to that.) But both rock and jazz artists drew from each other to create a fusion sound. For awhile in 78--80 I hardly bought any pop music, only jazz. And since I was such a serious student I only bought what I thought of as serious jazz! No pop jazz or fusion! Just the historic jazz legends. There were a few fusion records I liked- Bitches Brew by Miles Davis, some John McLaughlin. Then my interest in pursuing jazz sort of ended and I still had that idea that fusion wasn't something I liked at all. But it is something I'd like to know more about now. Some college radio station around here was playing a bunch of early jazz funk fusion music from the late sixties and early seventies and it was some of the most subtle and interesting stuff I'd heard in a while. It was very spacy and beautiful. And I had to get out of the car and didn't get any artist's names. if anyone can make any suggestions I would be very appreciative! There still are some bands, some music that I have a prejudice against. I think the reason I turned away from popluar music in the late seventies was because I disliked the punk kids so much. I still don't like punk! So maybe in a couple years I'll get over that, too. Carolyn ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #96 ******************************