From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #92 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, March 8 2002 Volume 02 : Number 092 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] How much does Xanax cost? [Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com] Re: [loud-fans] Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: (jk, was: still more Scott analysis) [Dennis_McGreevy@praxa] Re: [loud-fans] When I Was a Baby (was a swap review) [Dennis_McGreevy@pr] [loud-fans] Photoshop help, please! ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] When I Was a Baby (was a swap review) [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] CD labels [=?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?= ] Re: [loud-fans] When I Was a Baby (was a swap review) [timv@triad.rr.com] Re: [loud-fans] two alarming URLs ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] When I Was a Baby (was a swap review) ["O Geier" ] Re: [loud-fans] flamebait r us! [Bill Silvers ] [loud-fans] completely irrelevant pet peeve (you've been warned) [Jeffrey] Re: [loud-fans] Re:Re:cigarette-induced appearances [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Je] Re: [loud-fans] two alarming URLs [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey God Damn It. > >Now it's stuck in my head too. Would somebody please pass the Xanax. Over the years, I've found that either TMBG's "Particle Man" or the Mr. Ed theme will get *any* song out of your head. <><><><><><><><><><> I recommend "Mexican Radio" for this. - --D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:01:47 -0600 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: (jk, was: still more Scott analysis) Jeff posits bus quanta thusly: Paradoxically, this is true for both Person A (waiting for Z) and Person B (waiting for, say, -Z) - even if they can see one another across the street. Suffice it to say this is provable in Bus Mathematics, though it defies common sense. <><><><><><><><> So persons A & B must therefore be experiencing different relative temporal continuua, right? Given this, one must acknowledge that it's at least *possible* that all the busses are actually on time, as time is occurring for them. The trick then, is convincing one's boss to invest the extra capital (which, as the Enron scenario has bizarrely failed to convince the popular consensus, is also relative) in that quantum time clock. - --Dennis, inclining in the abstract towards a preference for pills which *amplify* the melodies in my head, and put effects on them, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:36:45 -0600 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] When I Was a Baby (was a swap review) Steve H. sez: For what it's worth, the New Pornographers do a whole bunch of strange and inspired cover tunes. At the Great American Music Hall on Saturday, they also did "Throw Her Away and Get a New One" by Sparks and "Send Me A Postcard" by the Shocking Blue. At their last show, they also covered Nick Lowe's "Cruel To Be Kind". <><><><><><><><> When I saw them last fall, they closed by burning the place down with "Send Me A Postcard". One observation I will make regarding their live show, which I hope will not sound like a complaint, because I thoroughly enjoyed their set, is that, minus the faux Roy Thomas Baker production, Ms. Case's singing voice blows the male singer (whose name eludes me, sorry) clean away. She can sing, that one. - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:30:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Photoshop help, please! I need to take a square image and turn it into a circle. I want to take the front cover of a CD booklet and make it into a CD label by folding the edges into a circle without losing anything along the edges. Any advice, plug-ins, special tricks? Thanks, Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 12:28:14 -0500 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] When I Was a Baby (was a swap review) At 09:36 AM 3/7/2002 -0600, Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: (re: Neko Case) > She can sing, that one. While I may be getting all too comfortable being list-contrary, is there anyone else out there who finds her voice irritating? If I didn't know that someone with better pitch than me would have brought it up before, I'd swear that she sings sharp most of the time. A shame, because I like TNP's (both of them) songs. "When I Was A Baby" is an amazingly cool song to cover. The recent Donner Party reissue has given me more pleasure than damn near anything else released in the last couple of years. MB np: Louis Armstrong, "Gut Bucket Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:37:10 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?= Subject: [loud-fans] CD labels I have a boring question, so I thought I'd ask it on this list*: I've read somewhere that you shouldn't stick labels on (audio) CD-Rs because the glue may eat up your CD-R. Is this true? Is this also the case with labels that are specifically designed for CD-Rs? If so, why do they make them in the first place? Toodlepip, - -Stef * ;) Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:43:38 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] When I Was a Baby (was a swap review) On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Michael Bowen wrote: > > She can sing, that one. > > While I may be getting all too comfortable being list-contrary, is there > anyone else out there who finds her voice irritating? If I didn't know that > someone with better pitch than me would have brought it up before, I'd > swear that she sings sharp most of the time. A shame, because I like TNP's > (both of them) songs. I don't hear that (not that my pitch sense is anywhere near rock-solid or anything) but even if I did, the richness and gutsiness of her tone would probably make me overlook it. Listening to the MAOW disc, it's like, the other singer is ok, but when Case takes over for a tune, "whoah, why'd you let the other woman near the mic?" I think she's gaining on Sally Timms as my current favorite female vocalist. - -- d. np rasputina _cabin fever!_ (i guess everyone in the listening audience is supposed to be far too hip to notice how close one of these songs is to joel's "piano man" - and what on earth does creager have against polly harvey?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:49:53 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD labels On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, [iso-8859-1] Stef Hurts wrote: > I have a boring question, so I thought I'd ask it on this list*: > > I've read somewhere that you shouldn't stick labels on (audio) CD-Rs > because the glue may eat up your CD-R. Is this true? Is this also the case > with labels that are specifically designed for CD-Rs? If so, why do they > make them in the first place? a. there's no difference between audio and data cd-rs as far as this goes. b. cdr's are almost certainly not a lifetime storage medium -- they are more volatile than pressed cds, although there's a lot of debate about what the mean lifetime is likely to be, and what is most likely to shorten/extend it. any extra chemicals on the label side (closest to the data, counter-intuitively) could theoretically accelerate the decay of the medium. alcohol-based markers (like sharpies) are definitely suspect, and glues could be too. repeated heating/cooling cycles with no chemicals are probably worse than climate-controlled storage with chemicals. c. if you've put a label on already, don't try ripping it off to undo the damage, that's likely to make things worse. d. somebody (joe?) should shortly post the url of a great resource for a ll this stuff that i keep forgetting to bookmark. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:55:26 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?= Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD labels > b. cdr's are almost certainly not a lifetime storage medium Thanks for the info, Doug. Maybe I should buy me that small vinyl records pressing unit I saw advertised in a music mag sometime ago... ;) Toodlepip, - -Stef Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:19:26 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: (jk, was: still more Scott analysis) >So persons A & B must therefore be experiencing different relative temporal >continuua, right? Given this, one must acknowledge that it's at least >*possible* that all the busses are actually on time, as time is occurring >for them. The trick then, is convincing one's boss to invest the extra >capital (which, as the Enron scenario has bizarrely failed to convince the >popular consensus, is also relative) in that quantum time clock. Why has no one mentioned Cigarette Function? If you wish your bus to appear, light up a cigarette. If you do not carry cigarettes with you, bum one from someone else at the bus stop. Within one minute of your first drag, your bus will appear. It's a common-known natural fact. Just like this subject header is an excerpt from Aretha Franklin's "Respect," Andy "Can an addiction to paradise, artificial as it may be, be considered more ignoble than an addiction to television, movies, or the other lower artificialities of a world so vacant as to be aware of and conversant in the pseudoscience of serotonin but not of the wisdom of Thomas, a world so vacant as to be enamored of the false connoisseurship of rancid grape juice but not the true connoisseurship of something such as opium, let alone of life?" - --Nick Tosches, from THE LAST OPIUM DEN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:23:21 -0800 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re:Re:cigarette-induced appearances > Why has no one mentioned Cigarette Function? > > If you wish your bus to appear, light up a cigarette. If you do not carry > cigarettes with you, bum one from someone else at the bus stop. Within one > minute of your first drag, your bus will appear. for anyone who's curious, this trick works with pizza deliveries, lack of customers, overdue phone calls, etc. it works especially well if the person you are waiting for is particularly opposed to or allergic to cigarette smoke. i quit about 6 weeks ago, and i swear i've had to wait longer for everything since then. - -- monkeys are funny. look at one and you will laugh, the hilarity http://students.washington.edu/dglasser/monkeys.html - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:35:04 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] Der Ohrwurm (nein Xanax) >>Now it's stuck in my head too. Would somebody please pass the Xanax. > >Over the years, I've found that either TMBG's "Particle Man" or the Mr. Ed >theme will get *any* song out of your head. Dude. "I'm On The Rag," by the Steriles. Works EVERY time. Andy "If you're still listening to pop music after you hit 30 (I'm 10 years past that, and still listening), you accept that you go through periods where your attention seems to tune out. Maybe there's too much going in your life to pay close attention, maybe the sheer amount of product is overwhelming, maybe the music -- for whatever reason -- just doesn't speak to you at that moment. Even allowing for all that, this seems to me a weird time for pop." - --Charles Taylor, from http://www.salon.com/ent/music/feature/2002/03/07/kylie/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:54:30 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] When I Was a Baby (was a swap review) Michael Bowen wrote: > > While I may be getting all too comfortable being list-contrary, is there > anyone else out there who finds her voice irritating? Yes! I have kept silent because she seems to be such a list favorite, but she does those awful twangy, yodely, country singer things that I don't know the proper terms for, but that irritate the snot out of me. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:55:58 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD labels Stef Hurts wrote: > > I have a boring question, so I thought I'd ask it on this list*: > > I've read somewhere that you shouldn't stick labels on (audio) CD-Rs > because the glue may eat up your CD-R. Is this true? Is this also the case > with labels that are specifically designed for CD-Rs? If so, why do they > make them in the first place? > > Toodlepip, > -Stef I've heard this, too, though I don't know how true it is, and also that paper fibers can rub off of the labels inside your CD player and make extra dust in there. I suspect they just plunged in and made them without knowing what, if any, the consequences long-term would be. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:03:38 -0500 From: timv@triad.rr.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] When I Was a Baby (was a swap review) On 7 Mar 2002, at 12:28, Michael Bowen wrote: > At 09:36 AM 3/7/2002 -0600, Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: (re: Neko Case) > > > > She can sing, that one. > > While I may be getting all too comfortable being list-contrary, is there > anyone else out there who finds her voice irritating? If I didn't know that > someone with better pitch than me would have brought it up before, I'd > swear that she sings sharp most of the time. A shame, because I like TNP's > (both of them) songs. I had the pleasure of joining Larry Tucker in Carrboro, NC, a coupla weeks ago to see TNP (Their Lead Singer Isn't Black). A power glitch ate my last attempt to comment on the show and I never got back to trying to post to the list again... But yeah, I thought the same thing about her vocals. I admired her energy and the power with which she sang, but she frequently sounded out of tune to me too. In general, I wasn't as totally captivated by the band as so many others seem to be. But I'd go see The Frames again in a heartbeat- any time, anywhere. Tim Victor timv@triad.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:51:37 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] two alarming URLs >One, a story of major-label incompetence; Carly Hennessy's record cost $2 >million to make and promote, but it's sold under 400 copies: > >http://blog.mattgoyer.com/stories/2002/02/21/ > popSingerFallsToStrikeAChordDespiteTheMillionsSpentByMCA.html This is unfortunate. ULTIMATE HIGH almost made my Top Ten 2001: it's playful, catchy, sexy, and exudes at least a modicum of personality. The folks who not-so-secretly like Britney and/or Christina (to say nothing of the Vengaboys) could do a lot worse than picking it up. You will note, also, that the article accepts Soundscan sales figures as the final word, which as I've mentioned before, is not always called for. In fairness though, Ms. Hennessey's album is not of a type which would find a substantial audience though the indie record stores, which often don't truck with Soundscan. >Two, a Harper's article by a slightly too-precious writer who nevertheless >has intriguing ideas about Dan Rather's famous 1986 "Kenneth" beating: > >http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m1111/1819_303/80680397/print.jhtml We've done this one before, haven't we? The most alarming URL I've seen this week, however, is this: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/03/06/libraries/index_np.html Even if I can't get past the first three paragraphs. Houston, Houston, do you read (Barthelme), Andy "Deft and constantly surprising, Happenstance is a warm, devilishly original film made a year before Amilie but doomed to play under its shadow since it, too, has Audrey Tautou at the heart of its ensemble cast. That's OK; just consider Happenstance the thinking person's Amilie, 23 minutes shorter and without a single moment of tooth-rot... ...While we're considering the universe's great What Ifs, think what might have happened to this gem of a film if the mighty machinery of Miramax had been thrown behind it, instead of the quintuple-Oscar-nominated Amilie. As it is, we get the pure satisfaction of unhyped discovery and perhaps a bit of [Laurent]Firode's own passionate conviction that there's a reason things work out the way they do. With a debut this special, there certainly should be." - --Shelia Benson, from http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0210/film-benson.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:05:10 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] When I Was a Baby (was a swap review) It's somewhat disturbing to me that I only just found out that my brother sang backing vocals on Neko's latest record. We talk often, and I'm surprised that he didn't mention it to me. Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ----Original Message Follows---- From: timv@triad.rr.com To: loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: Re: [loud-fans] When I Was a Baby (was a swap review) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:03:38 -0500 Received: from [66.89.201.78] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE511134006D4004321D4259C94EBE6F0; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:57:56 - -0800 Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1])by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g27JvYDH019487for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:57:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g27JvXZL019485for loud-fans-outgoing; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail8.triad.rr.com (fe8.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.55]) by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g27JvVDH019404 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from harlequin ([66.26.145.142]) by mail8.triad.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:57:30 -0500 From owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:58:44 -0800 Message-ID: <3C87814A.5923.1F58A7E@localhost> In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020307122032.00a07c00@pop3.frontiernet.net> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Precedence: bulk On 7 Mar 2002, at 12:28, Michael Bowen wrote: > At 09:36 AM 3/7/2002 -0600, Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: (re: Neko Case) > > > > She can sing, that one. > > While I may be getting all too comfortable being list-contrary, is there > anyone else out there who finds her voice irritating? If I didn't know that > someone with better pitch than me would have brought it up before, I'd > swear that she sings sharp most of the time. A shame, because I like TNP's > (both of them) songs. I had the pleasure of joining Larry Tucker in Carrboro, NC, a coupla weeks ago to see TNP (Their Lead Singer Isn't Black). A power glitch ate my last attempt to comment on the show and I never got back to trying to post to the list again... But yeah, I thought the same thing about her vocals. I admired her energy and the power with which she sang, but she frequently sounded out of tune to me too. In general, I wasn't as totally captivated by the band as so many others seem to be. But I'd go see The Frames again in a heartbeat- any time, anywhere. Tim Victor timv@triad.rr.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:48:08 -0500 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] flamebait r us! doug: >On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu was probably just funning >when he said: > >> Scott has had tons more success in the music business than thousands of >> musicians who are equally deserving. I have no idea what he's complaining >> about. > >...but i kinda agree. I was completely serious! And for all the reasons you provide. JS, now worried that everybody assumes he's always being facetious he's gotten to release records on a couple labels >with national distribution, most of which were respectably successful for >the circumstances that prevailed at the time. he's got a long list of >critical accolades, which you can't take to the bank or nothing, but, >still. and he's got a core audience that virtually guarantees that, >without too many compromises, he could make some level of self-release at >least a break-even proposition. > >you could argue the 'equally deserving' bit til the cows come home to >roost, but i've known some brilliant musicians/songwriters who didn't get >a tenth the breaks. > >-- d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:05:56 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] flamebait r us! On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, John Sharples complained: > >On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu was probably just funning > >when he said: [...]> > I was completely serious! And for all the reasons you provide. > > JS, now worried that everybody assumes he's always being facetious nah, it was the "thousands of equally deserving" line that made me think you were just playing agent provacateur a little bit. received wisdom round here sometimes seems to hold that soctt is the greatest living songwriter or summat like that; in which case i would think his deservingness would be unparalleled. i'm not going to play the 'who's the greatest living songwriter' game, though. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:29:19 -0600 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] flamebait r us! dmw wrote: >i'm not going to play the 'who's the greatest living songwriter' game, >though. Aw heck, why not? The field's opened way up after Harlan Howard's death. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/06/obituaries/06HOWA.html b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:55:30 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] completely irrelevant pet peeve (you've been warned) Grrr...web-based e-mailers (like hotmail - btw, how come hotmail is *so* much worse than other such at stopping porn spam? Or is just more popular than, say, yahoo?) whose default is set to formatted text. Is it really that important that people see your message in Garamond 14-pt - knowing that those who are reading text-based mailers have to wade through all kinds of junk coding just to find your words? Grrrrrr.... - --Jeff, having just plowed through a bunch of hotmail'd students' e-mails... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::SCENE 2: ::Aunt Fritzi applies lipstick in the mirror. In the next room, Sluggo ::removes his ever-present cap and blows his nose in a red handkerchief. ::Nancy enters the room and accuses Sluggo of stealing the donuts that ::Aunt Fritzi made for her. Sluggo looks at the clock, which reads 8:54, ::and says he'd better hurry or he'll be late for his trombone lesson. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:59:49 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re:Re:cigarette-induced appearances On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, me wrote: > > Why has no one mentioned Cigarette Function? > > > > If you wish your bus to appear, light up a cigarette. If you do not carry > > cigarettes with you, bum one from someone else at the bus stop. Within > one > > minute of your first drag, your bus will appear. Probably because I've never smoked. But I'm sure this is true - and I can prove it, mathematically. > for anyone who's curious, this trick works with pizza deliveries No, no, no - what works with pizza deliveries is to strip to a satin teddy. The driver will arrive instantly. (Or maybe I *wished* this was true, back in my college pizza-delivery days...) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I can bellow like a clown school drill instructor:: __Brian Block__ ps: before you ask, no Andy H., do *not* send me the picture of you wearing same ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:03:49 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] two alarming URLs On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > The most alarming URL I've seen this week, however, is this: > > http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/03/06/libraries/index_np.html Okay, everyone: to the nearest library right now, and check out as many "offensive" and "unpatriotic" books as you can. Speaking of "alarming," I've always been fond of this one: near the classroom where I teach this semester is a door, with a hand-lettered notice taped to it reading WARNING: THIS DOOR IS ALARMED AT ALL TIMES...beneath which someone has thoughtfully written, "You know, there's medication for that." Was it Dana? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Watson! Something's afoot...and it's on the end of my leg:: __Hemlock Stones__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 23:09:41 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?= Subject: Re: [loud-fans] completely irrelevant pet peeve (you've been warned) Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > --Jeff, having just plowed through a bunch of hotmail'd students' I understand your irritation with mails sent in HTML-format, Jeffrey, but what was wrong with the hot male students that you had to plough through them? :) Toodlepip, - -Stef Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:36:03 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] completely irrelevant pet peeve (you've been warned) On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Grrr...web-based e-mailers (like hotmail - btw, how come hotmail is *so* > much worse than other such at stopping porn spam? Wait. You *want* them to stop you porn spam? This reminds me of something that happened at a party at Seth Tiven's house in Boston about a zillion years ago. These two girls in the middle of the room were talking about faking orgasms. Sean, then Dumptruck's drummer, was walking past them, overheard part of this conversation, and without missing a beat stopped and confronted them: "You fake *having* orgasms!?? I gotta fake NOT having them!!" They didn't call him King for nothing, JS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 19:42:32 -0500 From: Janet Ingraham Dwyer Subject: Re: [loud-fans] two alarming URLs At 05:03 PM 03/07/2002 -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > >> The most alarming URL I've seen this week, however, is this: >> http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/03/06/libraries/index_np.html > >Okay, everyone: to the nearest library right now, and check out as many >"offensive" and "unpatriotic" books as you can. Now wait one minute, JeFF - some folks do that sort of thing and call it citizen's arrest. You can't so much as swing a roll of microfilm in a library without hitting a controversy. If anyone's interested, here's the American Library Association's response and toolkit on the Patriot Act: http://www.ala.org/washoff/patriot.html your friendly beleaguered librarian, janet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:20:50 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] completely irrelevant pet peeve (you've been warned) On Thu, 7 Mar 2002 jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu wrote: > > "You fake *having* orgasms!?? I gotta fake NOT having them!!" Proof that there is no God. Oops - didn't mean to start up the religion thing again... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism:: ps to Stef: not a thing wrong w/'em - made the plowing all the better ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #92 ******************************