From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #91 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, March 7 2002 Volume 02 : Number 091 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] RE: hurtfeelingathon ["Brett Milano" ] [loud-fans] How much does Xanax cost? ["Douglas Stanley" ] [loud-fans] The Continuing Story of Bungalow Scott (now with lyrics) [Jef] Re: Re: [loud-fans] still more Scott analysis [] Re: [loud-fans] When I Was a Baby (was a swap review) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs ] Re: [loud-fans] flamebait r us! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] RE: hurtfeelingathon **I think I've thanked him on this forum before, but I'll thank him again (Thanks Brett). You are certainly welcome. For someone whose self-esteem level is currently right up there with Scott's, the shout-outs are certaihnly nice to hear. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:05:06 -0800 From: "Douglas Stanley" Subject: [loud-fans] How much does Xanax cost? God Damn It. Now it's stuck in my head too. Would somebody please pass the Xanax. Doug S. > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:20:27 -0800 > From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com > Subject: [loud-fans] How much does it cost? > > This talk of internal radio reminds me that the song in heavy > rotation on WTIM > at the moment is the one that goes > > How much does it cost? I'll buy it > Blah blah blah blah blah? I'll try it > You can't even run your own life, be damned if you'll run mine > > It's making me anxious, and not having any idea what song this is > or who it's by > makes it harder to kill. If someone could contribute to my mental > health by > identifying it, I'd surely appreciate it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:14:09 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] How much does Xanax cost? At 04:05 PM 3/6/02 -0800, Douglas Stanley wrote: >God Damn It. > >Now it's stuck in my head too. Would somebody please pass the Xanax. Over the years, I've found that either TMBG's "Particle Man" or the Mr. Ed theme will get *any* song out of your head. You do have the problem of then having those songs stuck in your head, but one manifestation of mental illness at a time. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:19:55 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: Re:Re: [loud-fans] still more Scott analysis To be obsessive in the psychological sense, wouldn't it have be the same melody over and over? If it's different melodies, I would say that that's just normal artist's obsessiveness, without which art would barely be possible. Mozart describes the phenomenon eloquently in some quote I've read. >>>>>>>>>>>> "Obsessive rumination can be fluid in it's content" says the expert. And, of course, a lot of art gets produced out of anxiety, and that's fine. The problem here is that art *isn't* getting produced out of Scott's [theoritical, posited by me] anxiety, and that this seems to bother him. If I had the sense that Scott was at peace with his decision to stop making music, I'd have absolutely nothing to say on the subject. I suspect though that we all agree that he's not happy with his perceived lack of success. And many of us seem to disagree with his perceived reasons for his perceived lack of success. if you listen to the lyrics, or just the music, or have ever met scott, you can tell he's a pretty intelligent guy (BIG understatement) that probably has a whole lot of things to think/worry about. and just possibly his small-but-loyal fan base picking apart his psychological well-being as if he's an intersting music-producing chimpanzee is not helping. >>>>>>>>>>>>> No one's saying that he's not smart, but lots of smart people get anxious over stupid things. As for the psych-picking, I always assume that Scott *doesn't* read loud-fans, and that his friends have the good sense not to relay anything here to him, or at least to edit it heavily. If you're reading this, Scott, butt out!! And if you're planning on telling him about this, friend of Scott's, shame on you!! And finally, as I said before, I really don't want this to turn into an argument about indicators of anxiety. To me, it seems like there's enough evidence to make it worth mentioning. If y'all disagree, that's fine. - --dana On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:05:50 -0800 Tim_Walters@digidesign.com writes: >>I have no doubt, given the amount of respect his fans have for him, >that if he >simply responded, "I have >>personal reasons for not doing music. Please ask me about something >else. No >offense intended" that the >>vast majority of letter writers would go along and resume asking him >about >obscure Joyce references. > >I'm sure you're right. But maybe he's trying to figure out what he >really thinks >by writing it down and putting it out there. As you've probably >noticed, I do >this a lot. > >>Basically, though, having any constant thought in your head (be it >melodies or >what have you) is usually >>considered obsessive thinking. Some part of Scott's brain feels >compelled to >churn out melodies 24-7, and >>you have to wonder why. > >To be obsessive in the psychological sense, wouldn't it have be the >same melody >over and over? If it's different melodies, I would say that that's >just normal >artist's obsessiveness, without which art would barely be possible. >Mozart >describes the phenomenon eloquently in some quote I've read. > >If anything, hearing melodies and not feeling like converting them >into songs is >a decline in obsession rather than the reverse. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:55:07 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] still more Scott analysis In a message dated 3/6/02 4:19:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, elizabeth@fringehead.com writes: > Doesn't UM have some sort of sales requirement - i.e., they have to > reasonably be able to expect each artist to sell, say, 40,000 copies > of an album? (The actual number is completely fictional.) I could > have them confused with some other artist coalition, but I'd swear I > heard that somewhere. That could be part of the problem, assuming > there is a problem and it's just not a matter of Scott not wanting to > make records. > > As far as I know, UM doesn't, but they are looking for artists with an audience, people who have been around for awhile. Scott would fit there too. I'm still trying to make sense of what exactly Scott means here by 'accessable music,' and his reasons for not recording, so I have no comment otherwise here. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:09:45 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] still more Scott analysis dana-boy@juno.com wrote: > > It's an anti-anxiety drug. I take it, as do about a gazzillion other people. It's great for stopping the constant melodies in your head. It never stopped them in mine, thank God. I want those tunes there, well, most of them. And I assume I was the one you were baiting with psychology issues, though I could be wrong. I'm just wondering if the tunes in the head that constitute an anxiety symptom are of the same character as the tunes that crop up situationally; or get stuck in your head because of radio or a commercial battering you with them; or because you want to hear a particular song and, for whatever reason you can't go play it, so you use your memory as a radio; or those you are actually creating yourself as a person conditioned to write music by thinking it up in your head. I do know of people with mental health issues, including anxiety, who hear music or people talking, at a low level, and it's quite different. They literally hear it, like an external, real sound, but just know that it's not real, or usually know. This is quite different, I suspect, than what is being brought up as the common experience listers here are bringing up. I suspect for someone like Scott to be churning out melodies in his head all the time, it's not so much an unhealthy obsession, as an occupational habit. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:23:09 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] still more Scott analysis On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, jenny grover wrote: > I'm just wondering if the tunes in the head that constitute an anxiety > symptom are of the same character as the tunes that crop up > situationally; As far as I know I don't have clinical anxiety, if there's a distinction between that and, like, anxiety, but I've definitely found that songs which get in my head by whatever means (radio, voluntary CD usage) stay there longer and more annoyingly when I'm anxious over something. Since songs-stuck-in-head are near-universal and Scott's been a fan of music for something like three decades, I'm sure he knows that most people have them. He probably meant something beyond the usual by his comment, though I wouldn't, myself, guess what. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:26:54 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] still more Scott analysis Jenny, better late than never, said: >This is quite different, I suspect, than what is being brought >up >as the common experience listers here are bringing up. I suspect for >someone like Scott to be churning out melodies in his head all the >time, >it's not so much an unhealthy obsession, as an occupational habit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the risk of pissing off every single person here, I'm sure that someone, somewhere is getting a great chuckle as member after member of loud-fans comes forward to say that it's perfectly normal to have a tune running through your head 24-7, and that it couldn't possibly be an indicator of anxiety. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:40:08 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] still more Scott analysis There are people who aren't anxious about anything? They must be under heavy sedation. Oh wait, that *was* what somebody was advocating, never mind. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:01:31 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] still more Scott analysis On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:40:08 -0500 "glenn mcdonald" writes: >There are people who aren't anxious about anything? They must be >under >heavy sedation. Oh wait, that *was* what somebody was advocating, >never >mind. >>>>>>>>>>> Ok, I take it back. Scott's not anxious or depressed. He's happy. Really happy. Happier than he's ever been in his life. "Why is this?" the casual loud-fan might ask. And the secret is this. He's doing what he loves, and doing what you love makes you happy. And what Scott loves, which he never knew until recently, is writing about why he no longer makes music. Why it took him so long to realize this, I'll never know. BTW, for the pharmaceutically challenged, Xanax doses can range from something like 4 mg (which is indeed fairly heavy sedation) to my cute little .25 mg babys, which are approximately equal to a reverse cup of coffee. Some of Shari's patients are still having anxiety even after taking the big ones, which really puts my own petty worries into perspective since a dose that size would probably put me to sleep for a day. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:08:56 -0800 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] still more Scott analysis >At the risk of pissing off every single person here, I'm sure that >someone, somewhere is getting a great chuckle as member after member of >loud-fans comes forward to say that it's perfectly normal to have a tune >running through your head 24-7, and that it couldn't possibly be an >indicator of anxiety. I haven't seen anything stronger than "isn't necessarily an indicator." But then, I'm still trying to figure out how, if "Obsessive rumination can be fluid in it's content", it is to be distinguished from old-fashioned thinking. For those keeping score, my last three mental tracks were "Mood Swing" by Nothing Painted Blue, some Leo Kottke tune I can't remember the name of, and a song of my own that I'm anxious to be working on. And I got the multitude-of-voices-gabbling-at-me thing the night before my thesis concert. It was actually pretty cool. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:46:50 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] still more Scott analysis But then, I'm still trying to figure out how, if "Obsessive rumination can be fluid in it's content", it is to be distinguished from old-fashioned thinking. >>>>>>>>>>> Really, or are you just baiting me? Damn, I'm so easy. And the answer is, if someone really wants to put enough effort into denying that there's a difference between two things, they can do it, and if they're on loud-fans they probably will. Actually, though, why doesn't someone, you know, Ask Scott about his personal streaming software. I'm sure it would only add to his current levels of joy to be able to go into greater detail. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:55:54 EST From: GlenSarvad@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] FGAO, Hefner JeFFrey wrote: <> Wow, you mean it wasn't just me? I'm still trying to get a copy of the first Nice album on FGAO (if anyone has any ideas, write off-list). It was suggested to me that I write to FGAO owner John Henderson to see if he had any copies in the closet. No way that was going to happen again.... Steve Matrick suggested that Hefner should be everyone's favorite band. For the last eight months I've been trying, but they still frustrate me. There's a good hour of absolutely brilliant stuff sprinkled through their catalog, but to me each CD is hampered by too many limp tunes where Heyman got so obsessed with arch wordplay he forgot about the music. I still remember driving in my car, hearing "Painting and Kissing" for the first time, grinning ear to ear and thinking "Yes! The post-reunion Buzzcocks finally got it right!" I was temporarily even happier when I learned I had a whole new band to discover, but soon found out that track sounded nothing like the rest of "We Love the City." I would agree with Steve, though, that "The Fidelity Wars" contains the highest ratio of bullseyes. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:58:47 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] No more room on the couch! Seriously, it appears to me that WE are the ones that should be on the couch. Move over Scott, we can show you what truly, obsessive behavior is! Gil (loving the doxepin) Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:49:03 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] The Continuing Story of Bungalow Scott (now with lyrics) (musicals have to be good for *something*, now don't they?) Attend the tale of Stifled Scott, His songs were fab, his audience a dot. He ph'losophized and stewed and then He never thereafter was heard from again, Our stifled, Our stifled Scott, The weavin' bobber of Beat Street. His hair was large, "Les Mis'" his voice. He stayed up late with Eliot and Joyce. His family was loud but no one would buy it, So Scott quit the game and his theory was quiet And stifled, Our stifled Scott, The weavin' bobber of Beat Street. He longed to channel the pop vox pop Like Alex Chilton's debut, Box Tops. Scott was confused, Scott was troubled: Obscurity's punctured his musical bubble. Be a scapegoat (a la Girard) Or just "make it so" like Jean-Luc Picard? Back of his nose, under his hair, Scott heard music that wasn't quite there. "Give him some Xanax to stop his panic," Our Dana-Boy sez he's getting quite manic (Stifle, stifle, stifle, stifle... Stifle!) (chorus) Swing your six-string high, Scott O smash it if you must! Next time out you'll need more clout Than Alias... Attend the tale of stifled Scott: Making music is what he's not. What happens next - well who's to say; I just hope he doesn't keep staying away Being stifled, Our stifled Scott, The weavin' bobber of Beat Street. (Oops - gotta hide. Sondheim's trying to bash my door down with an axe.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"Shut up, you truculent lout, and let the cute little pixie sing!":: np: inevitably, _Sweeney Todd_ original cast recording with Len Cariou & Angela Lansbury... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 22:54:02 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: [loud-fans] still more Scott analysis Dana L Paoli wrote: >> But then, I'm still trying to figure out how, if "Obsessive >> rumination can be fluid in it's content", it is to be >> distinguished from old-fashioned thinking. >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Really, or are you just baiting me? Damn, I'm so easy. And the > answer is, if someone really wants to put enough effort into > denying that there's a difference between two things, they can do > it, and if they're on loud-fans they probably will. > > Actually, though, why doesn't someone, you know, Ask Scott about > his personal streaming software. I'm sure it would only add to > his current levels of joy to be able to go into greater detail. Y'know, this is the sort of thing that I was hoping we'd not fall into again after the Era of Better Feelings unleashed by Jen in January. Damn. This thread started out fine, with Jeffrey expressing a perfectly reasonable opinion based on Our Scott's public musings since entering his voluntary state of semi-retirement, and then we had some perfectly normal refinements and counter-observations, and now... bleagh. And double bleagh. Those 1996 archives look better and better to me. Many found our group too talky even then, but I think we had a better sense of when to just freakin' *stop.* later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:03:48 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re:Re: [loud-fans] still more Scott analysis On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 dana-boy@juno.com wrote: > I knew when I said that that it would evoke a defensive response, though > to be honest I thought it would come from someone else (I had a > particular person in mind, to whom I owe a theoretical apology). Geez, Dana: first you bait the anxiety prone, and now you're teasing the paranoid. It was me, wasn't it. I just *know* it. - --Jeff, mindstreaming either "Paranoid" or "You're So Vain" at the moment J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I can bellow like a clown school drill instructor:: __Brian Block__ nr: "Towards a Theory of Virtual Apologies: Being Online Means Only Having to Think You're Sorry" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:10:52 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re:Re:Re: [loud-fans] still more Scott analysis On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 dana-boy@juno.com wrote: > People are asking him about it endlessly. Surely that has something to do with > it. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > No one's holding a gun to his head, forcing him to do the "Ask Scott" column. That's where you're wrong: at this very moment, I am holding a .38 to the back of Scott's head. "That's right, Scott: keep *typing*..." Re the prodigal Brianna's bit about "interesting music-producing chimpanzee": I think first, the chimps need to write Shakespeare. So far, they've produced the back of a "King Vitamin" cereal box from 1972, a handful of bus schedules, and the complete works of Joe Eszterhasz. They almost had a Shaggs song - but then at the last minute it turned into Yngve Malmsteen. Not sure if that counts. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::In terms of the conjunctures of cultures, [LA is] less like a salad bowl ::and more like a TV dinner with those little aluminium barriers keeping ::all the vegetables in their places. __Catherine Ann Driscoll__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 23:18:59 -0500 From: Janet Ingraham Dwyer Subject: [loud-fans] Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: (jk, was: still more Scott analysis) At 10:10 PM 03/06/2002 -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Re the prodigal Brianna's bit about "interesting music-producing >chimpanzee": I think first, the chimps need to write Shakespeare. So far, >they've produced the back of a "King Vitamin" cereal box from 1972, a >handful of bus schedules, and the complete works of Joe Eszterhasz. Anyone else regularly wait in the sleet and rain for 45 minutes at a stop where a bus is supposed to arrive every 10 minutes? And then five show up nose-to-tail with each other just when you've run out of cusses. Those chimpanzees are probably pretty damn sensitive. no prescriptions, lots of hindsight, janet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:45:37 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] When I Was a Baby (was a swap review) Larry Tucker wrote: > |-----Original Message----- > |From: Sue Trowbridge [mailto:trow@interbridge.com] > |for what it's worth, the New Pornographers are covering this > |song on their current tour. > Thanks Sue! And I thought it was a new song, though they introduced it > as an old folk song when they played Chapel Hill. I think they also introduced "When I Was a Baby" as an old folk song at their SF show, and I'd heard it before but couldn't remember where, but I had to search at allmusic.com to discover it was by the Donner Party. It even *sounds* like an old folk song! For what it's worth, the New Pornographers do a whole bunch of strange and inspired cover tunes. At the Great American Music Hall on Saturday, they also did "Throw Her Away and Get a New One" by Sparks and "Send Me A Postcard" by the Shocking Blue. At their last show, they also covered Nick Lowe's "Cruel To Be Kind". With the keyboards and the Carl & Neko's male/female vocals, they remind me quite a bit of Game Theory, especially live. I think they should cover a Scott song. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:56:00 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: (jk, was: still more Scott analysis) On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Janet Ingraham Dwyer wrote: > Anyone else regularly wait in the sleet and rain for 45 minutes at a stop > where a bus is supposed to arrive every 10 minutes? And then five show up > nose-to-tail with each other just when you've run out of cusses. Those > chimpanzees are probably pretty damn sensitive. Ah, but this is simply one example of Bus Physics. The best-known principle of Bus Physics is fully expressible only in Bus Mathematics, but can be roughly translated into the anguish linkage - uh, English language - - to the effect that: If Person A is standing at Corner B (defined as the intersection of any number of streets, Street 1, Street 2, Street 3, etc.) and waiting for a particular bus, that bus will arrive only after all other possible buses passing that corner. If, for example, we're talking a simple intersection of two streets (let's call them 1 and 2), and there are four possible bus routes (there could be more, of course) - Route Z is the bus Person A is waiting for, Route -Z is the bus running in the opposite direction, and Routes Y and -Y are routes running perpendicular to Route Z, then Routes -Z, Y, and -Y will *always* arrive prior to Z, no matter when Person A arrives at the corner or what the schedule says. Paradoxically, this is true for both Person A (waiting for Z) and Person B (waiting for, say, -Z) - even if they can see one another across the street. Suffice it to say this is provable in Bus Mathematics, though it defies common sense. Also: what the frickin' frack is "jk" in your subject line? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"am I being self-referential?":: ps: there is one exception to the rule propounded above. *If* Person A is (1) running late; (2) carrying many packages; (3) or trudging through any sort of inclement weather that impedes his or her progress, *only then* will Route Z arrive first - but of course, it will arrive *prior to* A's arrival at the stop, but within A's sight. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:57:08 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] flamebait r us! i find it funny that all this medical stuff comes up on a day when, by sheer coinkydink, i happen to be wearing my "i don't want to do art, i want to be happy" t-shirt (from a design by artist ben vautier). one of my favorite shirts, i try not to wear it too often these days, it's getting a litle worn. it tickles me because of the questions it raises by implication: is it a binary choice, art or happiness? even if it is, is it a trivial decision, or a constant one? is the answer always the same? sometimes i wonder if at some point somebody is going to declare that any creative impulse is evidence of lack of well being. kafka, dickenson, van gogh -- surely we'd be medicating them if they were around today. hammett, faulkner, joyce: where do you draw a line? On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu was probably just funning when he said: > Scott has had tons more success in the music business than thousands of > musicians who are equally deserving. I have no idea what he's complaining > about. ...but i kinda agree. he's gotten to release records on a couple labels with national distribution, most of which were respectably successful for the circumstances that prevailed at the time. he's got a long list of critical accolades, which you can't take to the bank or nothing, but, still. and he's got a core audience that virtually guarantees that, without too many compromises, he could make some level of self-release at least a break-even proposition. you could argue the 'equally deserving' bit til the cows come home to roost, but i've known some brilliant musicians/songwriters who didn't get a tenth the breaks. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:57:42 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] When I Was a Baby (was a swap review) On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > For what it's worth, the New Pornographers do a whole bunch of strange > and inspired cover tunes. At the Great American Music Hall on Saturday, > they also did "Throw Her Away and Get a New One" by Sparks A-ha! How have I managed not to notice that TNP would be *perfect* covering Sparks until you mentioned this? I love the presence of Neko Case somewhat changing this song... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism:: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:00:38 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] flamebait r us! On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, dmw wrote: > On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu was probably just funning > when he said: > > > Scott has had tons more success in the music business than thousands of > > musicians who are equally deserving. I have no idea what he's complaining > > about. > > ...but i kinda agree. he's gotten to release records on a couple labels > with national distribution, most of which were respectably successful for > the circumstances that prevailed at the time. he's got a long list of > critical accolades, which you can't take to the bank or nothing, but, > still. and he's got a core audience that virtually guarantees that, > without too many compromises, he could make some level of self-release at > least a break-even proposition. Not to mention a day-job that (apparently) pays him reasonably well - and he's (happily, one hopes) married, has his health etc. The only thing bothering him is all us yammering gnats buzz-buzz-buzzing "so why'd ya quit the music bizzzzz, Ssscott?" - --Jeff, thinking it's time for me to shut up today... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::playing around with the decentered self is all fun and games ::until somebody loses an I. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 00:04:54 -0500 From: Janet Ingraham Dwyer Subject: [loud-fans] We love you Sarah and Brianna I meant to add to my recent, otherwise pointless post a warm welcome-back to loud-listers Sarah and Brianna. It's good to see the words of both of you again. Not too much lurking, please, Sarah, and more about your adventures abroad while you're at it! Sarah sent me a very cool postcard from a library in Poland, so I knew she was doing well. If you want to catch up on who's hanging around here, we recently had a spate of introducing ourselves around. You can enjoy the results at the JDC's database at: http://www.romanticore.com (from John: You'll need a decompression program such as StuffIt Expander or WinZip, and a database or spreadsheet program to sort things into columns for you.) and another version on doug's web site: http://www.mwmw.com/loudfans/ username: loudfan, password: ScottMiller Add yourselves! And for loud-fans in general, doug is accepting photos for inclusion with your info on his site. A scant few of us have submitted ours, of which half to date are oblique but descriptive (the others are plain descriptive). Perhaps this will give us something new to do for a while. cheers, janet ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #91 ******************************