From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #86 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, March 4 2002 Volume 02 : Number 086 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Haunted shoes?? ["O Geier" ] [loud-fans] Interesting item on eBay UK web site item#1520247437: Game Theory Loud Family 1st record 1979 RARE! [] [loud-fans] Reputation [GlenSarvad@aol.com] [loud-fans] Heeb [GlenSarvad@aol.com] [loud-fans] Stew News [Michael Bowen ] [loud-fans] Chat [Jer Fairall ] RE: [loud-fans] Chat ["glenn mcdonald" ] [loud-fans] musical highlights while wandering through Europe [Sarah Gord] [loud-fans] Swap review (dana) [Jer Fairall ] RE: [loud-fans] Swap review (dana) ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: more tales of greed [Bill Silvers Subject: [loud-fans] Haunted shoes?? There's a buyer for anything I suppose: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1709214225&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1015341244&indexURL=0&rd=1 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 06:15:24 PST From: richblath@tinyworld.co.uk Subject: [loud-fans] Interesting item on eBay UK web site item#1520247437: Game Theory Loud Family 1st record 1979 RARE! At the risk of alerting someone who'll end up outbidding me if I do get round to bidding myself, had anyone else noticed this copy of the first Alternate Learning ep? Richard Title of item: Game Theory Loud Family 1st record 1979 RARE! Seller: jobyna@webtv.net Starts: 28-Feb-02 08:24:31 GMT Ends: 10-Mar-02 08:24:31 GMT Price: Currently US $31.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1520247437 Item Description: Hi Game Theory, Loud Family, & Scott Miller Fans. Here is one you probably only read about, but never seen before. This is the first release by Scott Miller's first band Alternative Learning. It is a 7" four song EP Rational Records 001. Record contains the following tracks: "Gumby's In A Coma" (2:16) "When She's Alone" (3:30) "Green Card" (2:49) What's The Matter" (3:44)Record comes in a cardboard picture sleeve that folds open, has a 4 piece paper puzzle inside, and the single. Record is in near mint condition (looks unplayed) sleeve is in very good condition VERY slight bend on lower corners (most people would not notice) This is a very rare piece...I have been collecting Scott's work since 1982 and have never seen another copy of this single. Do not pass this one up, you may never see another copy! Not sure how many of these were pressed, but less than the Alternative Learning album or the 1st Game Theory "garbage bag record" Don't have a record player anymore? I will b! urn a copy on CD as a bonus for the WINNING BIDDER only...please do not ask me to make other copies, it wouldn't be fair to the winning bidder,(or Scott for that matter!) The fine print: winning bidder pays $3.50 shipping (I'll cover insurance) I prefer payment by Paypal, but a check or money order will be O.K. Payment is due within 14 days Or I will keep the record in my collection. Thanks for looking and good luck! Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:59:18 EST From: GlenSarvad@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Reputation I'll second a hearty endorsement for Elizabeth Elmore's new project, the Reputation. I can safely say that Sarge fans will not be disappointed. More than half of it rocks. The three or four softer tracks are the points that show some level of departure from her old band, as they're somewhat smoother. CD wraps up with a cover of Elvis' "Almost Blue." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 12:09:48 EST From: GlenSarvad@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Heeb Has anyone else seen the new Brooklyn-based magazine Heeb? It's subtitled "The New Jew Review," and by that point you can pretty much tell if you're buying in or not. It is *NOT* a parody, although there's a healthy dose of irreverence (the cover shows a DJ scratching with a matzoh on a turntable, and a centerfold of Neil Diamond). There's a reasonable amount of music content, including ads taken out by the Knitting Factory. At this point I'd say the content lags behind the concept, but it is the first issue and there's promise here. Any other viewpoints? Glen (who isn't, but his wife is....) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 15:44:16 -0500 From: Michael Bowen Subject: [loud-fans] Stew News Stew from The Negro Problem is going to be releasing a solo album titled "Naked Dutch Painter" in April. According to a source on the WELL, he'll be touring the West Coast with Dan Bern, whose new band is called The International Jewish Banking Conspiracy. You folks out in Cali may well end up seeing this on the marquee: THE NEGRO PROBLEM and THE INTERNATIONAL JEWISH BANKING CONSPIRACY Could be an interesting audience. MB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:17:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jer Fairall Subject: [loud-fans] Chat Where is everyone? Usually the chat is hoppin' by now. (DALnet, #loudfans). Jer ===== Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:39:02 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Chat OK, now Jer and I are *both* there! Hurry up and join us, before the infrastructure maxes out... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Jer Fairall Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 7:17pm To: loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: [loud-fans] Chat Where is everyone? Usually the chat is hoppin' by now. (DALnet, #loudfans). Jer ===== Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:36:23 -0800 (PST) From: Sarah Gordon Subject: [loud-fans] musical highlights while wandering through Europe Hey, I got back a couple days ago from a 6 month backpacking trip through Europe. I thought I'd say a quick 'hello' and recap some of the musical highlights of my trip, so as to not stray to far off topic. Most Unique Concert Experience J.M.K.E., an Estonian punk rock band, was playing a show in the outskirts of Warsaw, Poland, at a club in abandoned-looking, old brick building. And, while the music was fun, the real highlight was hanging out before the show with a bunch of Polish punk kids. Truly one of the best experiences of my six month trip. Best Overall Concert Experience I saw Colorstar, a band from Hungary, play a show in smallish bar in their hometown of Budapest. I enjoyed their music, the style in which they played it live, and the atmosphere of the club. It was a perfect because the crowd was very devoted to the band, and it made for a great concert experience. It is hard to describe the band, but they play music that is a mixture of electronic music and rock. Budapest has a great music scene, and it was definitely one of my favorite cities on my trip. Best New (to me, anyway) Style of Music Portugese Fado. Fado is a traditional music of Portugal that originated from the people singing in the streets about their daily woes. It is sung in a dramatic style accompanied by a Portugese guitar. I saw a charming concert in a cafe in Lisbon where members in the audience took turns singing a couple Fado songs apiece before allowing the next audience member have a chance. Best Cover Song Performed Live Jon Auer covering Madonna's "Beautiful Stranger" in Madrid, Spain. His whole set was great, but this cover song made me smile. Best Music/Dance Combination I saw an amazing flamenco show in Seville, Spain, in a small, intimate venue. I loved the emotional singing, dramatic dancing, and I am a sucker for anything that makes good use of a Spanish guitar. Most Surreal Music Experience in a Church An Italian acapella group singing traditonal American songs from the 30s-60s in a great, old church in Venice. Weird, but tons of fun. Strangest Stephen Merritt Encounters As I was waking up one morning in Seville, Spain, I flipped on my radio, and lo and behold, there was a Stephen Merritt song on the radio. I believe it was a Future Bible Heroes song, but I couldn't be sure. This in and of itself isn't too strange, but later that night, I went to a bar where they were showing short films from different countries, and there was a film from Italy that made use of 'Luckiest Guy From the Lower Eastside'. Five and a half months with no contact with Mr. Merritt's music and then hearing it twice in one day caught me a bit off guard! Most Obvious Sign that I Missed My Music Collection I arrived a bit early for a Spanish power pop concert at a bar in Barcelona, Spain, and I noticed that the background music in the bar was Radiohead's "OK Computer". Instead of socializing, I was perfectly content to listen to the remainder of the whole album in peace. It was a welcome respite from hearing That Kylie Minogue Song that I couldn't escape from no matter how hard I tried. (ObScott:) Most Frequently Spotted Scott Album Lolita Nation on vinyl. I spotted a copy in Florence, Italy and in Seville, Spain. It is weird to be back in the US and to have been out of the loop on culture in the US for the past 6 months. But enough babbling, back to lurking... Hope all is well, - -Sarah NP Nothing Painted Blue "Emotional Discipline" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:11:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jer Fairall Subject: [loud-fans] Swap review (dana) I'm about five or six swap reviews behind so first I apologize to everyone whose tapes or CDs I have yet to review. I will get to them all soon. Honest. First up, though, is Dana's untitled October submission because, well, it's nearby and I don't feel like getting up. Plus it's really cool and is completely new to me. I've *heard of* a few of these artists but everything on here is something that I heard here for the very first time. So, on with the review! 1. Bleach -- "Shikai No Haba" Hysterically fast-paced hardcore punk with lyrics that are either in another language or just incoherent on account of the vocalist's manic screaming. Or both. 2. Safe Home -- "Dear Dusty" "They used to be Nightblooms," Dana says, which means nothing to me. Either way this is very nice, hushed, acoustic and slightly ominous. 3. The Ophelias -- "Mr. Rabbit" "Recently discussed on loud-fans," says Dana for this one, but at this point that "recent" was quite a while ago. Well, I'm afraid they may need to be discussed again as a) I quite like this, and b) I know nothing about them. Reminds me quite a lot of the Rheostatics, for one thing, and I particularly like the "Oh Suzanna" bits. 4. Air Miami -- "Airplane Rider" "They used to be Unrest," Dana tells me, and while I'd heard of both Air Miami and Unrest, I didn't know that they had anything to do with each other. Pleasant lo-fi guitar pop either way. 5. The Jazz Butcher -- "Carolyn Wheeler's Birthday Present" I loved "Bicycle Kid" on the mix that Glenn S. made me a while back but this sounds nothing like that. Where "Bicycle Kid" was sunny Britpop, this reminds me of Roxy Music at their most abrasive. Not a bad thing, necessarily, but I like "Bicycle Kid" much better. 6. Psychic TV -- "Godstar" Oddly enough, this song has much more in common with "Bicycle Kid" than "Carolyn Wheeler's Birthday Present" does. And I like it much more, too. I've heard of them but don't remember why or from where. Who are they? 7. Happy Flowers -- "I Said I Wanna Watch Cartoons" From his posts to the list, I had anticipated a really weird mix from Dana and this track alone lives up to that. Horrible grinding background noise over which a child screams the title phrase like a heroin addict going through withdrawal (maybe that's the point?). Gets bonus points for name dropping the cartoons that were popular when *I* was a kid (FRAGGLE ROCK, SMURFS and the animated Saturday morning spinoff of ALF). A definite highlight. 8. Tim Rose -- "Morning Dew" Sounds remarkably like Cat Stevens. 9. Walt Mink -- "Pink Moon" Hey, this rocks! A bratty punk-pop cover of the now-infamous Nick Drake tune. The original of this song is, by the way, the song I think I've received the most times on mix tapes so it's especially cool to get this version on one instead. 10. The Clinic -- "Monkey on your back" Dana says, "Radiohead love them. JR Taylor hates them." Sorry JR but I'm leaning more towards Radiohead's side on this one, at least on the basis of this song. More info, please? 11. Super Furry Animals -- "Receptacle for the Respectable" I'm generally not crazy about these guys but this is alright, sunnier and poppier than the other stuff of theirs that I've heard. 12. Thou -- "Kids Do Ride" 13. Thou -- "Weak Lady" "The many moods of Thou," Dana says and these two songs do indeed sound like two different bands, the "Kids Do Ride" one a guitar band experimenting with electronic sound effects and the "Weak Lady" one an electronic act adding some conventional instruments (horns, mostly) to their mix. 14. The Hangovers -- "Duck Song" I recognize the singer from The Raincoats, whom I like, but I didn't know that she had another band. What's the story? 15. Nick Heyward -- "The Goodbye Man" The Haircut 100 guy? I actually quite like "Love Plus One," their late-period new wave hit but this is a different sort of pop, much more Matthew Sweet than Duran Duran. 16. Ultramarine -- "Weird Gear" Dana describes this as "Kind of a sideways version of a Kevin Ayers song," but as I've never heard that I can't really make any comparisons. Reminds me a bit of the Magnetic Fields in their robo-country mode. 17. Thirston Howl III -- "I Still Live With My Moms" Rap parody that's surprisingly still funny months later. 18. Magic Dirt -- "I Was Cruel" Noisy and abrasive, like LIVE THROUGH THIS-era Hole only heavier on the distortion. (bonus track #1) Mellow piano/acoustic guitar/strings accompaniment and melodramatic vocals. I'm gonna guess The Divine Comedy? (bonus track #2) No guess at all on this one. Sounds like a really disturbing lullaby. Lo-fi. Some unusual instrumental accompaniment. Ok, who? Thanks Dana for constantly intriguing and often very enjoyable mix. Jer ===== Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 00:35:24 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Swap review (dana) > 1. Bleach -- "Shikai No Haba" Thanks to my newfound expertise in Japanese, I can translate this song title for you. It means "dentist's width". Glad to be helpful. glenn PS: or possibly "dentist's mother", or "width of range of view". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 23:47:04 -0600 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: more tales of greed Dana Paoli asked: >I'm sort of officially retired from copyright issue discussions on >loud-fans, but I actually ran across an article in the NY Times last week >that had me a little curious. It was about a "new trend" where people >were downloading whole albums of mp3's, as zip files. The gist of the >article was that, by using zip technology, it was possible to download a >whole album in nearly the same time that it takes to download an >uncompressed song. > >This struck me as a little suspicious, since mp3's are *already* >compressed. I did a *very* non-scientific test, using my Kevin Tihista >mp3's from his website, and while zipping did save some space, the >difference was really pretty negligible. Has anyone else seen this >article, or any reaction to it? I have a few theories: > >1. There's better zipping technology out there, that really does >compress mp3's significantly. > >2. The files that I zipped were atypical. > >3. The Times got it wrong (or, possibly, I misread the article). I read the article, and pretty quickly thereafter checked it out on Audio Galaxy. As regards your theories: 1) Not that seemed apparent from the files I downloaded. 2) A zip's a zip, a file's a file...so far as the phenomenon has expressed itself on Audio Galaxy, which is where Neil Strauss had gotten his information for the article. 3) They didn't get it wrong, but I was a little confused about the purpose of the piece. It is possible to do a search on AG for "zipped" or "zip" and get over 3,000 (last I checked) hits. A decent number of these will allow you to download an entire LP by a particular artist, without needing to download the individual song files one (or several, depending on your choices) at a time. That file isn't any smaller (or larger) than the sum of the individual zipped files. The only particular "advantage" to it is one-stop shopping. My guess was that Strauss found this to be an egregious escalation of the phenomenon, but I was a little stumped as to how it was all that big a deal. Your mileage, or outrage, may vary. b.s., no more willing to discuss the copyright issues than Dana, but pretty thrilled to have discovered a few tracks from The Nerves (Case, Collins, Lee) that I didn't know existed ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #86 ******************************