From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #85 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, March 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number 085 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] tapping the loudfans knowledge bank [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] tapping the loudfans knowledge bank [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] sarge/the reputation ["Kunkel, Mark" ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: more tales of greed [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: more tales of greed [Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] tapping the loudfans knowledge bank new sarah shannon (ex velocity girl) anyone heard it? comments? danke. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 10:08:15 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tapping the loudfans knowledge bank At 11:57 AM 3/2/02 -0500, dmw wrote: >new sarah shannon (ex velocity girl) > >anyone heard it? comments? It's firmly not bad, and occasionally very good. Doesn't really sound a thing like Velocity Girl -- she doesn't even have the same singing voice anymore, it's quite a bit lower-pitched now. Musically, it's kind of like the Cardigans mixed with June and the Exit Wounds or Suddenly Tammy, that sort of '70s piano rock thing, plus strings and muted trumpets. So it's got a nice sound and all, but a fair number of the songs aren't in and of themselves particularly memorable. On the other hand, there's a couple of real winners too. So you don't have to rush right out and buy it or anything, but if you see it, it might be worth picking up. S NP: THE CRIPSY TASTE OF HELL -- Preoccupied Pipers ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:17:06 -0600 From: steve Subject: [loud-fans] Re: more tales of greed The entertainment industry is after something more than merely copy protecting individual pieces of software - http://www.computeruser.com/news/02/03/02/news3.html - - Steve __________ Misadvised by a frustrated and panic-stricken attorney general, a president of the United States has just assumed what amounts to dictatorial power to jail or execute aliens. - William Safire ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:52:12 -0600 From: "Kunkel, Mark" Subject: [loud-fans] sarge/the reputation Fans of Sarge (whom I've seen mentioned here, which is why I'm bringing it up) will be happy to learn (if they don't know already) that Elizabeth Elmore has a new band, called the Reputation, and they will be releasing a cd very soon. I picked it up at a short set they did last night in Madison, and it's great. The cd is on Initial Records (www.initialrecords.com) and the cd lists the following website, too: www.reputationmusic.com Apologies if I've repeated what someone else has already posted here. _____________________________________________________ Mark D. Kunkel Legislative Attorney Legislative Reference Bureau (608) 266-0131 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:01:12 -0500 From: "Vallor" Subject: [loud-fans] Sale List site I've posted a bunch of CD's & records & lathes for sale here... http://home.attbi.com/~cassetto/salepage.html Everything is first come first serve, I will start confirming stuff on Sunday. Thanks greatly- Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:07:08 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: more tales of greed I'm sort of officially retired from copyright issue discussions on loud-fans, but I actually ran across an article in the NY Times last week that had me a little curious. It was about a "new trend" where people were downloading whole albums of mp3's, as zip files. The gist of the article was that, by using zip technology, it was possible to download a whole album in nearly the same time that it takes to download an uncompressed song. This struck me as a little suspicious, since mp3's are *already* compressed. I did a *very* non-scientific test, using my Kevin Tihista mp3's from his website, and while zipping did save some space, the difference was really pretty negligible. Has anyone else seen this article, or any reaction to it? I have a few theories: 1. There's better zipping technology out there, that really does compress mp3's significantly. 2. The files that I zipped were atypical. 3. The Times got it wrong (or, possibly, I misread the article). In unrelated news, I don't know how new it is (the date on the CD is 2001), but there's a special edition reissue of T. Rex's "Electric Warrior" out that has just incredible sound. It was remastered by Tony Visconti, and has some interesting bonus tracks, as well as a neat booklet with lots of photos and details about the recording sessions. If anyone is thinking about adding this great album to their collection, I'd recommend looking out for this edition, which doesn't seem to be particularly expensive. I can not stress enough how good it sounds. - --dana On Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:17:06 -0600 steve writes: >The entertainment industry is after something more than merely copy >protecting individual pieces of software - > >http://www.computeruser.com/news/02/03/02/news3.html > > > >- Steve >__________ > Misadvised by a frustrated and panic-stricken attorney general, a >president of the United States has just assumed what amounts to >dictatorial power to jail or execute aliens. - William Safire ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 23:35:07 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: more tales of greed On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Dana L Paoli wrote: > The gist of the article was that, by using zip technology, it was > possible to download a whole album in nearly the same time that it > takes to download an uncompressed song. That claim seems true except for the part about zipping -- mp3s already compress by about a factor of 10, so one uncompressed song takes about as long to transfer as an album of mp3s. Anyway, your suspicions are correct, as far as I know; any regular old compression program that goes to work on highly-compressed data like an mp3 will do very little good, often resulting in a *larger* file. a ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 02:52:30 -0500 From: timv@triad.rr.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: more tales of greed On 2 Mar 2002, at 23:35, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Dana L Paoli wrote: > > > The gist of the article was that, by using zip technology, it was > > possible to download a whole album in nearly the same time that it > > takes to download an uncompressed song. > > That claim seems true except for the part about zipping -- mp3s already > compress by about a factor of 10, so one uncompressed song takes about as > long to transfer as an album of mp3s. > > Anyway, your suspicions are correct, as far as I know; any regular old > compression program that goes to work on highly-compressed data like an > mp3 will do very little good, often resulting in a *larger* file. Agreeing with the above... MP3 was important because conventional data compression techniques perform so badly even on raw uncompressed On files that are already compressed, zip will do little if anything. I suspect that it's mainly a convenience thing: one click and Save As for a whole album, then go read your email or whatever until the copy completes, instead of a dozen separate downloads to do it track by track. Also, some hosting services might disallow .mp3 files, but it'd be pretty tough for them to ban .zip's. Tim ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #85 ******************************