From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #80 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, February 26 2002 Volume 02 : Number 080 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Re: Mekons [Steve Holtebeck ] [loud-fans] Rock Camp for Girls [Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Mekons [Jeff Downing ] Re: [loud-fans] Rock Camp for Girls [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Rock Camp for Girls [michael@zwirn.com] Re: [loud-fans] Rock Camp for Girls [Cyndy Patrick ] [loud-fans] A call to all you creative types (well, the ones with Photoshop anyway) ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] Rock Camp for Girls [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 07:31:32 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Mekons Forwarded from erstwhile lister, who heard us talking about the Mekons. Put me also in the "Rock'N'Roll" first camp.. - -Steve - -------- Original Message -------- Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:47:13 -0800 From: "Bradley Skaught" To: "Steve Holtebeck" By some strange coincidence, I hear the talk on loud-fans has been about which Mekons albums to buy! Since I think the Mekons are the greatest band of all time, i'll throw in my votes. Here are the five to start with (they're all pretty great ultimately, though. Even "Me".) 1. Rock'n'Roll 2. Curse Of The Mekons 3. Journey To The End Of The Night 4. Fear & Whiskey 5. I Have Been To Heaven & Back: Hen's Teeth Vol. 1 later, B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:17:55 -0500 From: Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com Subject: [loud-fans] Rock Camp for Girls www.girlsrockcamp.org Why didn't they have this when I was growing up?!?!? I went to the benefit last night so I could sign up Melanie (my 9 year old). I got to meet Misty, the brains behind the Rock Camp for Girls. Evidently she started this last year for her thesis ( in Women's Studies). It was such a success, that it's now a full time career for her. Misty also said some professional rock stars (women, of course) are contacting her to be involved this year, although she didn't say which rock stars. Is this the first Rocker Camp or have any of you seen anything like this before? -julianne "If only my hair curled up at the ends, and I had some kitty ears, and one of those kitty tails, and some kitty paws, and I was a teenager, then I'd be just like Josie [Josie and the Pussycats]." Melanie Overall ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:19:14 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Downing Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Mekons I'm not sure I would stick the "Hen's Teeth Volume 1" collection in my Top 5, but it does include the full (and markedly superior) version of "This Funeral is for the Wrong Corpse" from "Curse of the Mekons." Since this was always my favorite cut from Curse, the revelation from the archives has slightly tarnished the album in my view. I'd go with: 1) Rock'n'Roll 2) Fear and Whiskey 3) Curse of the Mekons 4) Journey to the End of the Night 5) Honky Tonkin' Jeff > -------- Original Message -------- > Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:47:13 -0800 > From: "Bradley Skaught" > > By some strange coincidence, I hear the talk on loud-fans > has been about > which Mekons albums to buy! Since I think the Mekons are > the greatest > band of all time, i'll throw in my votes. Here are the > five to start > with (they're all pretty great ultimately, though. Even > "Me".) > > 1. Rock'n'Roll > 2. Curse Of The Mekons > 3. Journey To The End Of The Night > 4. Fear & Whiskey > 5. I Have Been To Heaven & Back: Hen's Teeth Vol. 1 Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:28:50 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Rock Camp for Girls At 12:17 PM 2/25/02 -0500, Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com wrote: >Is this the first Rocker Camp or have any of you seen anything like this >before? This is the first one I've ever heard of that's specifically for girls, but rocker camps have been around for a while. They mostly cater to middle-aged classic-rock types who are having their midlife crises, though. Sarah Vowell did a piece for This American Life on her visit to one (reprinted in her book, TAKE THE CANNOLI) that makes the whole experience sound pretty awful. This idea sounds much more promising, though. S ------------------------------ Date: 25 Feb 2002 09:37:04 -0800 From: michael@zwirn.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Rock Camp for Girls On Mon, 25 February 2002, Stewart Mason wrote: > > At 12:17 PM 2/25/02 -0500, Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com wrote: > >Is this the first Rocker Camp or have any of you seen anything like this > >before? > > This is the first one I've ever heard of that's specifically for girls, but > rocker camps have been around for a while. Portland's is completely different, and way cool. I met the founder briefly at the Sleater-Kinney show here in Portland, and there have been a lot of articles in the local and national press about the Rock and Roll Camp for Girls, precisely because it targets girls - from ages eight to sixteen, roughly. They teach not only the musical instruments, but composition, lyrics, and the business aspects of starting a career in music. Despite the name, they have acoustic guitar-strummers as well as aspiring rappers in the clientele. Last year, at least, they had a huge waiting list to get in, so I'm glad Julianne is moving quickly! Michael, logged in wirelessly in downtown Portland through the genius of personaltelco.net. - -- "I fill my days with work 'cause I am lazy." The Loud Family - -------------------------------------- Michael J. Zwirn, Environmental Policy Analyst michael@zwirn.com Home: 503/232-8919 Cell: 503/887-9800 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:58:18 -0400 From: Cyndy Patrick Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Rock Camp for Girls I first read about the RCfG about a year ago in Bust magazine, and my reaction was the same as julianne's. There was a piece in the Boston Globe last September describing last year's camp (the first, I believe), and it sounded like they were doing an admirable job of walking that thin line between empowering young girls and preparing them for the kind of sexism they will encounter in rock. julianne, I hope you and/or Melanie will let us know how this goes! - -Cyndy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:04:10 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] A call to all you creative types (well, the ones with Photoshop anyway) Thought I might pass this along. Edward isn't the only person I've ever met to try making a feature film, but I've never seen this particular technique in action before. Andy Good morning! I'm working on a hellacious project and if you know Photoshop pretty well (or you know someone else who does) and want to help, I sure can use you! here's the URL: http://www.petting-zoo.org/Movies_Dreamquest.html I need to create a lot of large (max size 4095x4095 pixel) GIFs, some animated, some just frames. I need to create several hundred. Each one takes me several days, but a Photoshop whiz can probably do one in an evening. Even if you can do ONE, you've saved me a couple of days and I'm counting days, believe me! Downside: I can't pay money (I'm not currently employed). Upside: You get to work on a feature film that will be shown late October and commercially available after that. You receive an "Assistant Animator" credit. You receive a copy of the video when it's finished. You receive a huge, huge, HUGE thanks from me for shaving a couple of days from a nasty ass-crackin' schedule. If we have a Dream-Quest gala party, you receive a special invitation! We'll need a party after this, believe me! More details: Here's an example of a more complicated project: "Here's your line art TIFF (download from ). I need it scaled down until the width is 4095 pixels. The total GIF should be 20 seconds long (at 15 frames per second, that's 300 frames). Separate out the following elements: clouds, wagon, grass stalks, torch flame, and seagull. During that twenty seconds, the clouds should move slightly to the right, maybe about ten pixels. The grass stalks should wave back and forth slightly, pointing toward the right. The wagon should bobble along a little bit, like a wagon, diminishing in size and moving a little to the left (down the path). The gull should fly across the entire scene, flapping its wings once per second. The flame should dance around, so draw a different one for each panel or just maybe six frames and cycle through them. Please give me the animated GIF and, preferably, the 300 different GIF files comprising it. Name the animated GIF S0043_03.gif and name each of the 300 files S0043_03_xxx.gif, where xxx= 001, 002, 003, ..., 300. You can either burn the images to a CD and mail them to me, or (if it's small enough) upload it to a location of your choice and notify me. You may pack it all into a ZIP archive (Windows), to make it smaller." Please feel free to forward this to anyone you know who might be interested. Thanks, Edward Martin III edward@petting-zoo.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:53:06 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Bored of Canada (ns) I go into the city yesterday, record shopping, and what do I see? Boards of Canada, Boards of Canada, Boards of Canada everywhere. They seem to be *the* electronica band of the moment. The guy at Holy Cow said, "I seriously under-ordered that one." While I'm standing in the store, two people ask for it. Kim's has about 1,000 copies, and they're just flying out of there. My question, and I'd love responses from people who don't know much about the genre: is it an album that transcends the electronica label? Will it change my life? Do I *need* it? Will it be looked upon as an era-defining album, that finally convinces America to love music that comes from a laptop? When I'm forty, will there be a "That '00's Show" with a theme song by Boards of Canada? - --dana BTW, if anyone's looking for Das Damen's "Marshmellow Conspiracy" at a good price, Round Flat records (google "Round Flat") has it cheap. On mini-CD and vinyl. Yay! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:24:18 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Rock Camp for Girls On 25 Feb 2002 michael@zwirn.com wrote: > > At 12:17 PM 2/25/02 -0500, Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com wrote: > > >Is this the first Rocker Camp or have any of you seen anything like this > > >before? > Portland's is completely different, and way cool. I met the founder > briefly at the Sleater-Kinney show here in Portland, and there have been > a lot of articles in the local and national press about the Rock and > Roll Camp for Girls, precisely because it targets girls - from ages > eight to sixteen, roughly. They teach not only the musical instruments, > but composition, lyrics, and the business aspects of starting a career > in music. I hope also they teach some technical stuff re equipment: some female musicians I've known absolutely hate how certain male musicians instantly exclude them if they can't get all wide-eyed with enthusiasm over fret inlays or summat. Seriously: knowing the equipment is a very important part of things, I'd guess - I know it's my befuddlement in the face of such that (among other things) kept me from ever attempting to audibly impose my musical will upon the face of the planet. Sounds like a great idea! I'd be curious *how* they go about teaching composition and lyrics - there being so many different approaches to same, from many different songwriters. It sounds like they're attracting young musicians interested in a wide range of material - I hope the instructors (or whatever they might be called) are drawn from as broad a range. Which reminds me: can someone repost the name of that recently published book that interviews a whole busload of songwriters on how they write, arrange, and record songs? Here's their website: www.girlsrockcamp.org - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::does "anal retentive" have a hyphen?:: np: The Mekons Story: It Falleth Like the Gentle Rain from Heavnen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:23:11 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Rock Camp for Girls >Which >reminds me: can someone repost the name of that recently published book >that interviews a whole busload of songwriters on how they write, arrange, >and record songs? Bill Flanagan's WRITTEN IN MY SOUL: ROCK'S GREAT SONGWRITERS TALK ABOUT CREATING THEIR MUSIC, is a fascinating book of this type--Flanagan's interview subjects include Neil Young, Willie Dixon, Lowell George, Tom Petty, Chuck Berry, Van Morrison, Paul Simon, Bob Dylan, and Tom Waits. It's been out of print some years now though, so it most likely isn't the book you reference above. Well worth picking up a used copy, though. Wondering why no one's mentioned Bleecker Bob's...or Second Hand Rose...or the House Of Guitars... Andy "Is this John Denver? He's definitely channeling John Denver." - --fellow diners at my last-Friday-night dinner party reacting to Tim Buckley's THE DREAM BELONGS TO ME ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #80 ******************************