From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #76 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, February 22 2002 Volume 02 : Number 076 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff ["O Geier" ] Re: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff [steve ] Re: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff [Dan Schmidt ] [loud-fans] Webcast copyright proposal ["Keegstra, Russell" ] [loud-fans] John Southworth [DOUDIE@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Olympic stuff ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] John Southworth [Stewart Mason ] RE: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff ["R. Kevin Doyle" ] Re: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff [steve ] RE: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] John Southworth [Michael Bowen ] RE: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff ["O Geier" ] RE: [loud-fans] Olympic stuff ["O Geier" ] Re: [loud-fans] Olympic stuff ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] Re: (loud-fans) Olympic suff ["richblath" ] Re: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff ["John Sharples" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:58:58 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff Yay Sarah! She's cute, just watch the endorsements coming rolling in. Costas again gets his drone shoved back down his ever active throat. Another favorite gets all the attention, then fails to get the gold. Side note, the PA operator at the skating center played 'Still Haven't Found What I'm looking for' by Us. How funny!! Support anti-Spam legislation. 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Subject: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:06:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [66.89.201.78] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE3F1C7300CB400438E84259C94E84C80; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:04:54 - -0800 Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1])by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1M54imc024449for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:04:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g1M54iwF024448for loud-fans-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:04:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from bls.brooklaw.edu (bls.brooklaw.edu [204.168.122.13]) by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1M54fmc024385 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:04:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from john ([204.168.122.181]) by bls.brooklaw.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g1M54T604215 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:04:29 - -0500 From owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:06:38 -0800 Message-ID: <005a01c1bb5e$d1c43020$ce7aa8cc@john> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Well, well...looks like Sarah Hughes is the New England Patriots of this Winter Olympics! And I guess Michelle Kwan is the St. Louis Rams... Whomever wished for Kwan to fall on her ass got their wish...but I do feel a little bad for her. I don't dislike her, I think she's been doing great work for quite a while now (if I remember correctly, I think we first saw her in the Olympis in '92), but she really blew it tonight. But that Sarah Hughes...adorable. And her long performance was truly stunning. I don't think I've seen such a completely flawless performance since Yamaguchi in '92 (?). Way to go, home girl (yo Great Neck)! I can't decide which was my favorite Zen moment of the night...either when Hughes dissed "some Congressman" on the cell phone or the huge stream of snot she launched when she found out she'd won the gold... G'night, Salt Lake City! JS - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:54:53 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff >But that Sarah Hughes...adorable. And her long performance was truly >stunning. I don't think I've seen such a completely flawless performance >since Yamaguchi in '92 (?). I couldn't believe it when she only got 5.7s and 5.8s, but I'm thrilled that the one thing I never expected actually happened--the person who skated best got the gold. >either when Hughes dissed "some Congressman" on the cell phone A truly unforgettable moment. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:27:49 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Aaron Milenski wrote: > I couldn't believe it when she only got 5.7s and 5.8s, but I'm > thrilled that the one thing I never expected actually happened--the > person who skated best got the gold. So, in the past I've heard people complaining about how the current scoring system means that judges score early skaters lower to "leave room" for later skaters, which struck me as terrible. But last night, my roommate said that he's pretty sure the numbers don't *matter* in the end, only the relative rankings of each skater according to each judge. In other words, giving lower scores to early skaters is completely reasonable. Is this true? > >either when Hughes dissed "some Congressman" on the cell phone > > A truly unforgettable moment. We were rolling on the floor after we heard that. Unfortunately, Hughes clearly felt like she might have crossed a line -- she got somewhat stiffer right after that. Yay for honors students who look like Willow! a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:36:30 -0500 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Olympic stuff > In other irrelevant news, have I talked about the utterly screamworthy > vintage Freddie and the Dreamers video I saw late one night on (I think) > Bravo? Alright, imagine early Elvis Costello. Have him lose fifty pounds > (I said the *young* Elvis Costello - I think the name "Elvis" causes > weight gain) so that he resembles a dark suit, white shirt, and dark tie > drawn on a five-foot tall pencil. Remove from his facial expression any > slightest hint of menace, aggression, etc. Make him flop about in a fey > manner, as if his legs and arms are being controlled by a spastic and evil > puppetmaster somewhere above the camera line. Have the other, equally > gawky band members gamely but unenthusiastically attempt similar dance > step - except drummer, who looks like an extra in one of those cheapo > beach movie ripoffs of the early '60s. (*He* looks like he's not really > awake yet.) Film in murky b&w, about the rez of the "Don't Respond, She > Can Tell" video (for those of us lucky enough to have seen that). Repeat > for hilarity. You may or may not be old enough to remember that that fey flopping was Freddie and the Dreamers' gimmick, a dance step called "the Freddie" that was all the rage among us ten-year-olds at the time. Their follow-up single, as I recall, was a number called "Do the Freddie." - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:01:52 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff On Friday, February 22, 2002, at 06:58 AM, O Geier wrote: > Yay Sarah! She's cute... The appeal of female ice skating, in a nutshell. - - Steve __________ Embarrassing but true: Just one month ago the James A. Baker III Institute presented Alan Greenspan with its Enron Prize. I'm not suggesting any impropriety; it was just another indication of how deeply the failed energy company was enmeshed with our ruling elite. - Paul Krugman, 12/14/01 ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 2002 10:18:27 -0500 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff Aaron Mandel writes: | So, in the past I've heard people complaining about how the current | scoring system means that judges score early skaters lower to "leave | room" for later skaters, which struck me as terrible. But last | night, my roommate said that he's pretty sure the numbers don't | *matter* in the end, only the relative rankings of each skater | according to each judge. In other words, giving lower scores to | early skaters is completely reasonable. Is this true? This page explains it in detail, sorry about the grody URL: http://www.saltlake2002.com/x/f/frame.htm?u=http%3A//www.saltlake2002.com/ats/fs/fs_winner_general.html&s=sloc| In general, http://www.saltlake2002.com has nice explanations of exactly how all of the events work (choose one from the Sports page, then on About This Sport). I've found it really handy. Dan - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:27:45 EST From: Jbr21122@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Olympic ads Noticed McDonald's using an "outside" modern song for an ad (the Shins'"New Slang")and wondered, other than exposure, does the band and label generally get enough from a huge corporation like Micky D's to make it worth their while? Hopefully they got a better deal than what some bands reportedly got from Microsoft (nothing). thinking that Pep Boys should've used the Dickies for their ad campaign, Jim Robson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:49:42 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff << >Yay Sarah! She's cute... The appeal of female ice skating, in a nutshell. - - Steve>> Yay! Apollo Ohno, he's cute!! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:24:40 -0600 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: [loud-fans] Webcast copyright proposal On Wednesday the Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel (fondly known as CARP) produced a report about webcasting and copyright. They want to charge 1/7 of a cent per song per listener. CARP report: http://www.loc.gov/copyright/carp/webcasting_rates.html Jamie Zawinski's little rant on the subject from DNA Lounge: http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2002/02.html#21-feb-2002 (part 2 of 21-Feb) I really like the exchange: "How do they expect the little guys to survive?" "No Mister Bond, I expect you to die." Russ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:25:17 EST From: DOUDIE@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] John Southworth I picked up MARS PENNSLYVANIA on half.com for a pittance... it is really wonderful. Thanks to whoever (90% sure it was Stewart) sang its praises long ago. Can I get some info on his next two records and on the Hawksley Workman record? I saw the New Pornographers twice this week. Their bass player is phenomenal, you don't realize how important he is too that group until you see them live. How are the Neko Case records? Steve Matrick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:05:08 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Olympic stuff >On a completely unrelated note: suddenly, it seems I'm getting >married next week! I guess I'll have to update my loud-fans database >entry... Congratulations Elizabeth! Volunteering to be the Elvis impersonator (you should hear my "Who Let The Dogs Out?"), Andy The best-of-breed winner among Afghan hounds was Xandali Isabeau of Boanne, and she got polite applause when she alighted onto the green carpet. That's a better reception than some Afghan hounds have gotten lately. ``Now that 9-11 happened, I'm very careful where I go with my dog,'' said Lou Guerrero,owner-breeder of the No. 1-ranked Afghan from last season. ``When people ask what kind she is, I just say, 'She's a hound dog,''' he said. ``The only reason I do this is for fear of possible retaliation.'' Afghan hounds originated in Afghanistan, and certainly no dogs have come under the same kind of scrutiny they have faced since the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Handler Peggy Coffman from Madison, Ohio, knows all about that. There was no mistaking her Afghan's colors - - backstage, George wore a red, white and blue, star-spangled bandana. Yet a month after the attacks, Coffman said she was in a restaurant outside Baltimore with a dog's owner when police came in looking for them. Outside, they found police officers surrounding the van they were traveling in - the one with license plates that read, ``AFGHAN1.'' ``They wanted to know what that was all about,'' she said. ``Then a higher-ranking lieutenant told the younger patrolmen, `It's dogs.''' Even so, such bias led to a brief discussion at the Afghan Hound Club of America's exhibition in Houston as to whether the breed's name should be switched to something that would attract less attention. The group, meanwhile, requested that the word ``Afghan'' be taken off the marquee at the hotel where the show was held. `A few people threw around the idea of changing the name of the Afghan hound to 'Tazi' hound, as they are known in their home country,'' said USA Network commentator David Frei, who has been involved with the breed for 30 years. The club decided to keep the name. In the past,however, dog's names have been altered because of world conflict. During World War I, the American Kennel Club changed the name of German shepherds to simply shepherd dogs to ``save the breed from prejudice.'' They were called Alsatian wolfdogs in Britain, then shifted to merely Alsatians until the late 1970s. [from a recent Yahoo! news article on the Westminster Dog Show] [courtesy Jer Fairall] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:51:31 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Southworth At 12:25 PM 2/22/02 EST, DOUDIE@aol.com wrote: >I picked up MARS PENNSLYVANIA on half.com for a pittance... it is really >wonderful. Thanks to whoever (90% sure it was Stewart) sang its praises long >ago. Can I get some info on his next two records and on the Hawksley Workman >record? There's three more John Southworth records, and I've lost track of how many Hawksley Workman has done. Of the Southworth, SEDONA ARIZONA is the collaboration with Workman, and it took me a while to get into because it's so different from MARS PENNSYLVANIA: there's no orchestrations, and Southworth and Workman play all the instruments themselves, so it's basically a sort of standard indie rock album. BANFF SPRINGS TRANSYLVANIA returns to the heavily orchestrated sound of the debut, and ROSE MILK APPALACHIA takes four songs from SEDONA ARIZONA and does them as traditional drummerless acoustic bluegrass in the company of a local bluegrass group called Wild Poodle, which works better than you might think. The soon to be married Ms. Setler can tell you everything you need to know about the Workman albums, as I only have FOR HIM AND THE GIRLS. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:50:28 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff I missed women's figure skating last night. Rampant nationalism aside, is there any validity to the Russian Federation's protest? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:19:27 -0000 From: "Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Olympic stuff Dan says: > You may or may not be old enough to remember that that fey > flopping was Freddie and the Dreamers' gimmick, a dance step > called "the Freddie" that was all the rage among us > ten-year-olds at the time. Their follow-up single, as I > recall, was a number called "Do the Freddie." - Dan Wow! Must admit that I don't remember "Do The Freddie" at all - must be getting that old-timers disease called, er, I forget. Ho ho. But I'd much rather see Freddie and his hapless bunch do "the Freddie" than the dreary syncopations of *every* act that appears on Top of the Pops *every* week or the dismal pseudo bump n grind routines of Kylie, Britney et al. Talking of Kylie, we've just had the insufferable Brit Awards here in the UK - what struck me as weird was that there were awards for "Best Male" and "Best Female" - the word "artist" has now vanished. Which, given that the winners were Robbie Williams and Dido is probably not too far from the mark. Because I know you're all dying to know, Kylie made the best album of last year... I'd really like to see The Brits or Grammys or Oscars or what you will be taken apart by Mike Myers in a "Best In Show" style movie... Then Jim says: >Noticed McDonald's using an "outside" modern song for an ad (the Shins >'" New Slang")and wondered, other than exposure, does the band and >label generally get enough from a huge corporation like Micky D's to >make it worth their while? Hopefully they got a better deal than what >some bands reportedly got from Microsoft (nothing). I love "New Slang" and it's depressing as hell to find out that some hip cat working for Ronald McDonald has now appropriated it for the Big Mac empire. Re Microsoft, I attended the launch of Win XP last year and they were playing the Madonna track they'd bought to death and announcing that they'd paid a lot of cash for it so they were going to get their money's worth! I wish The Shins well, I like their record a lot and hope they put the cash to good use. Oh, the Olympics - let's hear it for the Brit curlers!! Ian Np Still Paula Carino... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:35:56 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Olympic stuff At 07:19 PM 2/22/02 -0000, Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett wrote: >I love "New Slang" and it's depressing as hell to find out that some hip >cat working for Ronald McDonald has now appropriated it for the Big Mac >empire. Me, I love "New Slang" and I'm happy to know that the guy who wrote the song is making some money off of it, since as far as I know, the group hasn't actually seen much in the way of financial renumeration yet off the album. (They all still have their day jobs, anyway.) And given that I've probably seen every member of the Shins with a McDonalds bag in his hand at one time or another, it's not like they disapprove of the product. I think you could probably make a valid argument about things like Sting's song for Jaguar -- does he really *need* more money? But personally, I totally support people in indie bands who license their songs for commercials; as Robert Schneider pointed out when I interviewed him a couple years ago, just after the Apples in Stereo licensed "Shine A Light" to JC Penney, that check meant that he and Hilarie could actually buy a new crib for their baby instead of having to salvage an old one from Goodwill. I fail to see how that's a bad thing. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:41:10 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff On Friday, February 22, 2002, at 10:49 AM, O Geier wrote: > Yay! Apollo Ohno, he's cute!! Let me know when they start a professional short track skating circuit. ;) - - Steve __________ OS X is faster, smarter, prettier, and easier to use than any version of Windows. - Robert X. Cringely ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:48:01 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: RE: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, R. Kevin Doyle wrote: > I missed women's figure skating last night. Rampant nationalism > aside, is there any validity to the Russian Federation's protest? I'm not a trained judge, but it looked to me like Slutskaya made several small mistakes, while Hughes made no (obvious) ones. The tie came down to the Finnish judge, who had rated Hughes slightly higher on "artistic impression" (or whatever they call it); it's hard to look at the numbers and think that anyone was exploiting a loophole or trying to slam Slutskaya. Nor are there accusations of vote-rigging. So, I'd think not. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:59:36 -0800 From: Elizabeth Setler Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Southworth >There's three more John Southworth records, and I've lost track of how many >Hawksley Workman has done. Of the Southworth, SEDONA ARIZONA is the >collaboration with Workman, and it took me a while to get into because it's >so different from MARS PENNSYLVANIA: there's no orchestrations, and >Southworth and Workman play all the instruments themselves, so it's >basically a sort of standard indie rock album. BANFF SPRINGS TRANSYLVANIA >returns to the heavily orchestrated sound of the debut, and ROSE MILK >APPALACHIA takes four songs from SEDONA ARIZONA and does them as >traditional drummerless acoustic bluegrass in the company of a local >bluegrass group called Wild Poodle, which works better than you might think. > >The soon to be married Ms. Setler can tell you everything you need to know >about the Workman albums, as I only have FOR HIM AND THE GIRLS. First, I'll pretty much second Stewart's take on the Southworth albums; I've ended up listening to "Banff Springs" near obsessively in recent months, and I'd say that should be your next purchase. But they're all very good. Hawksley Workman is my favorite new artist of the last few years. It's not often I wish people would release a bunch of overpriced double singles with b-sides of variable quality so I could rush out and buy them all, but in this case, I'd be all over them if they existed. :-) He's only got one record out in the US, his debut, "For Him And The Girls"; in Canada and some other places, he has a second full-length release, "(Last Night We Were) The Delicious Wolves," and a Christmas EP, "Almost a Full Moon." So far, I think "...Wolves" is the clear winner, although I'm inordinately fond of all three. The debut is a sprawling affair that's all over the place stylistically, but in a good way (the comparisons you'll hear to David Bowie, Queen, Tom Waits, Rufus Wainwright, Jeff Buckley, Sparks, XTC, Roxy Music etc. etc. etc. all manage to be accurate for at least a few seconds); the second takes all those different sounds and works them into something more cohesive (and about 30 minutes shorter). As for the Christmas record, it's probably only really essential if you're already a fan of Workman or Christmas or both. It was recorded in just two days, so it's much less elaborate than the other two releases, relying heavily on the music-hall/guitar-pop aspects of his sound. Which isn't meant as a criticism at all - I couldn't bring myself to pull it out of the changer for a good month after Christmas - - just a confirmation of what you'd probably have suspected on your own. - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:10:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete O." Subject: RE: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff - --- Aaron Mandel wrote: > I'm not a trained judge, but it looked to me like Slutskaya made several > small mistakes, while Hughes made no (obvious) ones. The tie came down to > the Finnish judge, who had rated Hughes slightly higher on "artistic > impression" (or whatever they call it); it's hard to look at the numbers > and think that anyone was exploiting a loophole or trying to slam > Slutskaya. Nor are there accusations of vote-rigging. > > So, I'd think not. > From what I've seen, the gold, silver and bronze medalists are pretty much preordained, based on the skaters' reputations and current world standing. Then it's theirs to lose. So if the top-ranked person/team skates a flawless program, they can't lose no matter how much better the underdog (no, not Wally Cox) skates. I think that's the reason for the uproar over the Russian/Canadian gold in pairs. It was the Russians' to lose and they did stumble, whereas the Canadians didn't. Someone forgot to tell the judges that there were other people besides them who were watching. Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:37:48 -0500 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] John Southworth At 12:25 PM 2/22/2002 -0500, DOUDIE@aol.com wrote: >I picked up MARS PENNSLYVANIA on half.com for a pittance... it is really >wonderful. Thanks to whoever (90% sure it was Stewart) sang its praises long >ago. Can I get some info on his next two records and on the Hawksley Workman >record? Can't say anything about John Southworth, but you can download Hawksley Workman stuff for free during the two-week trial period at www.emusic.com . In fact, if you have a fast connection, there's all kinds of stuff you can check out, although as with all of the legal services, there's way too many holes in their collection. MB np: Richard Thompson - "Tubular Bells Variations" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:16:53 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff Jeez, I never really realized how much I've missed hating the Russians until the Olympics. Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Pete O." To: loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: RE: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:10:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [66.89.201.78] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE3FF09B00914136E85C4259C94E96E20; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:10:08 - -0800 Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1])by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1MKAWmc007812for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g1MKAWIs007811for loud-fans-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from web11206.mail.yahoo.com (web11206.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.188]) by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g1MKARmc007747 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [66.46.138.130] by web11206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:10:26 PST From owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:11:06 -0800 Message-ID: <20020222201026.70423.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Precedence: bulk --- Aaron Mandel wrote: > I'm not a trained judge, but it looked to me like Slutskaya made several > small mistakes, while Hughes made no (obvious) ones. The tie came down to > the Finnish judge, who had rated Hughes slightly higher on "artistic > impression" (or whatever they call it); it's hard to look at the numbers > and think that anyone was exploiting a loophole or trying to slam > Slutskaya. Nor are there accusations of vote-rigging. > > So, I'd think not. > From what I've seen, the gold, silver and bronze medalists are pretty much preordained, based on the skaters' reputations and current world standing. Then it's theirs to lose. So if the top-ranked person/team skates a flawless program, they can't lose no matter how much better the underdog (no, not Wally Cox) skates. I think that's the reason for the uproar over the Russian/Canadian gold in pairs. It was the Russians' to lose and they did stumble, whereas the Canadians didn't. Someone forgot to tell the judges that there were other people besides them who were watching. Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:14:21 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Olympic stuff Freddie and the Dreamers were on a short lived program called 'Dear John', opening for a down and out rocker trying to validate his life. They were hired to open for this guy, and Freddie did the Freddie, and even uttered a few lines whilst doing it. He didn't miss a beat, and looked very athletic, he must've been close to if not 50. Does anybody but me remember this episode?? Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" Reply-To: To: "'where they sleep better knowing stuff'" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Olympic stuff Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:19:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [66.89.201.78] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE3FE4DC0055400437504259C94E8B3B0; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:20:00 -0800 Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1])by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1MJJomc002694for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:19:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g1MJJopE002692for loud-fans-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:19:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay5.ftech.net (copper.ftech.net [212.32.16.118]) by smoe.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1MJJlmc002607 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm9.ftech.net ([212.32.16.79] helo=oemcomputer) by relay5.ftech.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22-ftech-p6.1 #14) id 16eLEO-0005JM-00 for loud-fans@smoe.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:19:45 +0000 From owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:20:48 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c1bbd5$d9198100$010ac8c3@oemcomputer> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <3C76576E.589A1612@post.harvard.edu> Sender: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Dan says: > You may or may not be old enough to remember that that fey > flopping was Freddie and the Dreamers' gimmick, a dance step > called "the Freddie" that was all the rage among us > ten-year-olds at the time. Their follow-up single, as I > recall, was a number called "Do the Freddie." - Dan Wow! Must admit that I don't remember "Do The Freddie" at all - must be getting that old-timers disease called, er, I forget. Ho ho. But I'd much rather see Freddie and his hapless bunch do "the Freddie" than the dreary syncopations of *every* act that appears on Top of the Pops *every* week or the dismal pseudo bump n grind routines of Kylie, Britney et al. Talking of Kylie, we've just had the insufferable Brit Awards here in the UK - what struck me as weird was that there were awards for "Best Male" and "Best Female" - - the word "artist" has now vanished. Which, given that the winners were Robbie Williams and Dido is probably not too far from the mark. Because I know you're all dying to know, Kylie made the best album of last year... I'd really like to see The Brits or Grammys or Oscars or what you will be taken apart by Mike Myers in a "Best In Show" style movie... Then Jim says: >Noticed McDonald's using an "outside" modern song for an ad (the Shins >'" New Slang")and wondered, other than exposure, does the band and >label generally get enough from a huge corporation like Micky D's to >make it worth their while? Hopefully they got a better deal than what >some bands reportedly got from Microsoft (nothing). I love "New Slang" and it's depressing as hell to find out that some hip cat working for Ronald McDonald has now appropriated it for the Big Mac empire. Re Microsoft, I attended the launch of Win XP last year and they were playing the Madonna track they'd bought to death and announcing that they'd paid a lot of cash for it so they were going to get their money's worth! I wish The Shins well, I like their record a lot and hope they put the cash to good use. Oh, the Olympics - let's hear it for the Brit curlers!! Ian Np Still Paula Carino... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:26:58 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Olympic stuff >Freddie and the Dreamers were on a short lived program called 'Dear >John', opening for a down and out rocker trying to validate his life. >They were hired to open for this guy, and Freddie did the Freddie, and >even uttered a few lines whilst doing it. He didn't miss a beat, >and looked very athletic, he must've been close to if not 50. Does >anybody but me remember this episode?? Hm...how long ago was this? According to biographical data I unearthed on the Web, Mr. Garrity turned sixty-one last November--keeping in mind, of course, that officially-dispensed birthdates of performers often fudge on the side of youth. Telling you now through a hearing aid, Andy "Only if there's only one way to tell a story about talented young people who can't cope with adulthood. By that rationale, a biography of Michael Jackson would be a ripoff of Salinger. Besides, THE ROYAL TENENBAUMS is more about the Hackman character, whereas it's always been my impression that the Glass stories were about the kids." - --friend of mine, dedicated fan of THE ROYAL TENENBAUMS (which I still haven't seen), whom I queried about the posited Glass family connection ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:40:31 -0000 From: "richblath" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: (loud-fans) Olympic suff Got to this one a bit late -the stuff about which sports being real ones. I don't think anyone mentioned the Olympic motto which translates as something like 'faster, higher, stronger' and so all those sports that involve marking by judges therefore don't really fit into the Olympic ideal. I have to say that the event has basically passed me by this time- it's not a big deal in the UK, well until we won the women's Curling last night!- and I can't say that I've really missed it! Richard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:10:28 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Olympic stuff Hm...how long ago was this? I'm better than I thought. this was circa 89-90 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:19:39 -0500 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff >On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, R. Kevin Doyle wrote: > >> I missed women's figure skating last night. Rampant nationalism >> aside, is there any validity to the Russian Federation's protest? I don't think so, although I do tend to root for the Americans. Far as I can tell the Russians have not taken issue with any specific judging in last night's women's final: ``We filed the protest last night because we think the judging was biased,'' said Viktor Mamotov, the head of the Russian delegation in Salt Lake City. ``Canadian pairs skaters were awarded their gold medals. Now that subjective judging harmed us, we want the same for Slutskaya.'' (NY TIMES, aka the local bureau of PRAVDA.) The only evidence of biased judging in skating thus far was when the French judge in pairs skating said she was pressured to vote in *favor* of the Russians, which is why they had to share the gold (they were not demoted to silver) with the Canadians. Slutskaya actually received a slightly higher score than Hughes (by .1) for technical merit in the long program, which surprised me - as aaron correctly pointed out, Hughes' program had far more difficult triple jumps and triple-triple combos than either Slutskaya or Kwan and executed them flawlessly, while Slutskaya was unsteady and looked a little stiff. Mamatov seems to argue for biased judging in favor of Irina because of the pairs skater controversy -- isn't that 'two wrongs make a right?' But note that Irina was judged superior to the overwhelming favorite, the American Kwan, allowing Hughes to win. They could be understandably frustrated that Hughes, ranked 4th after the short program, vaulted into first over their skater, but remember that the long is weighted more than the short, and it's hard to argue that Hughes didn't clearly best all competition last night. The Russians are further steamed by the disqualification of one of their cross-country skiiers for alleged blood doping, and perceived biased officiating in their men's hockey *win* over the Czechs. Some suspect that this is mere blustering, perhaps an attempt to get favorable officiating in tonight's USA v Russia men's hockey game. Reports are unclear, but I think the Russian protest was actually filed before last night's women's final, which would seem to support the sense that this is posturing. I'm glad the Russians showed up for the hockey match tonight (they'd threatened to walk), which is currently USA 1 Russia 0 at the top of the second. 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And for the first time, i sense him trying to arrange his romantic love songs, his scalding cynicism about relationships, and his gleeful desire to mass-murder rich people into a coherent (and oddly kind) worldview. Recommended. Thanks to Jer for sending me this. cheers, -Brian _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:16:02 -0500 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff >Aaron Mandel writes: > >| So, in the past I've heard people complaining about how the current >| scoring system means that judges score early skaters lower to "leave >| room" for later skaters, which struck me as terrible. But last >| night, my roommate said that he's pretty sure the numbers don't >| *matter* in the end, only the relative rankings of each skater >| according to each judge. In other words, giving lower scores to >| early skaters is completely reasonable. Is this true? That's right. They probably scored Hughes a little low, but she was early, and the two big favorites were yet to skate. They must leave room in case somebody comes out and does better. It does not disadvantage earlier skaters because as the site Dan provided explains, it's all relative. This USA v Russia hockey game is just unbelievable. JS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:59:47 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (more) Olympics stuff The best competition last night was on Fox. Yep, The Glutton Bowl. The train from Loserville dropped off some of America's finest. Folks eating sticks of butter, plates of cow brains, mountains of mountain oysters, bowls of mayonnaise,etc...etc...etc...Moments like this makes me want to go to a far away country and learn religious fervor and hate the Yankee infidels... :[ Gil (just kidding there Mr. Ridge...) - --- O Geier wrote: > << >Yay Sarah! She's cute... > > > The appeal of female ice skating, in a nutshell. > > > - Steve>> > > > Yay! Apollo Ohno, he's cute!! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #76 ******************************