From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #73 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, February 20 2002 Volume 02 : Number 073 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Math help wanted [Richard Gagnon ] [loud-fans] is this thing on? ["Aaron Milenski" ] [loud-fans] You'll like this ["O Geier" ] [loud-fans] random Olympic notes [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] is this thing on? ["Roger Winston" ] [loud-fans] Since things are quiet... fun with time. ["R. Kevin Doyle" ] [loud-fans] Olympic stuff [Gil Ray ] [loud-fans] yes, it's true... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Math help wanted Here's something some of you will love to help me with, I'm certain... I'm creating some fake lottery tickets for a humor magazine...finding relatively amusing and possibly clever ways to disqualify anyone from winning. One way I was thinking of is a seemingly-simple math equation that is actually insoluble, or at least unsolved...the prettier and most elegant the better. And no, I don't see how mathematics and beauty are mutually incompatible. Oh, right. This is Loudfans...no need to be so defensive about this sort of thing. ;) Thanks in advance to generous math geeks who'll help me out. You'll get a free ticket if you want one...;) Rick - -- "If you die, you do so at your own risk" ******Neil Hannon, "Note to self"****** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:21:46 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: [loud-fans] is this thing on? Just testing...haven't received a loud-fans message in two days. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:32:50 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] You'll like this Sid Vicious gets short shrift in this story, but hey.. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&u=/nm/20020219/od_nm/karaoke_dc_1 Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:45:06 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] random Olympic notes Not that I've seen a whole lot of the Olympics this year, but here goes... * How come during this whole "figure skating is fixed" scandal (this was news? like it hasn't been rigged all along, mm hm), no one mentioned how Torvill and Dean were robbed in 1994. That time, the judges hid behind the notion that some of T&D's moves were illegal -- even though the same judges had given the same routine the gold medal at last World Championships before the Olympics. * Pointless mawkish "Enberg Moments" replaced with the remains of Jim McKay. * I really, really hope that the boring, stuck-up, overrated Michelle Kwan falls on her ass in ways that Nicole Bobek could only imagine. * One of the skiing announcers: Mike Breen. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:04:17 -0600 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] random Olympic notes Miles: >* How come during this whole "figure skating is fixed" scandal (this was >news? like it hasn't been rigged all along, mm hm)... This continues to remind me of Enron, as in "Could accounting like this possibly be happening at other companies as well?" I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:12:56 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] is this thing on? Aaron Milenski on 2/19/2002 9:21:46 AM wrote: > Just testing...haven't received a loud-fans message in two days. I surmise we're all just afraid of scaring Gil off with our long political debates and celery discussions. Best not to say anything at all... Hi Gil! Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:18:15 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: [loud-fans] Since things are quiet... fun with time. Forwarded to me by, uh... well, somebody. And to think, I was impressed with 2-2-02.. Here's a very interesting fact for all you trivia buffs: As the clock ticks over from 8:01 PM on Wednesday, February 20, 2002, time will (for sixty seconds only) read in perfect symmetry (in your timezone). To be more precise: 20:02, 20/02, 2002. It is an event which has only happened once before, and is something which will never be repeated. The last occasion that time read in such a symmetrical pattern was long before the days of the digital watch (or the 24-hour clock): 10:01AM, on January 10, 1001. And because the clock only goes up to 23.59, it is something that will never happen again. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:30:11 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Since things are quiet... fun with time. On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, R. Kevin Doyle wrote: > It is an event which has only happened once before, and is something > which will never be repeated. The last occasion that time read in such > a symmetrical pattern was long before the days of the digital watch > (or the 24-hour clock): 10:01AM, on January 10, 1001. ARGH! It also happened at 11:11 11/11 1111 and will happen again at 21:12 21/12 2112, if you use the non-US order for month/date. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:38:14 -0500 From: Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Since things are quiet... fun with time. I love loud-fans. I am forever intrigued by time 'peculiarities' - just as I was with singularities in calculus. An amazingly beautifully written book about time,_Einstein's Dreams_, portrays my love of all things time in a most artistic while remaining scientifically relevant. If any of you have read this, do you have any further reading recommendations, knowing how much I loved _Einstein's Dreams_? Time is ... -julianne > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Mandel [mailto:aaron@eecs.harvard.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:30 PM > To: R. Kevin Doyle > Cc: the sound of the collective grumbling > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Since things are quiet... fun with time. > > > On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, R. Kevin Doyle wrote: > > > It is an event which has only happened once before, and is something > > which will never be repeated. The last occasion that time > read in such > > a symmetrical pattern was long before the days of the digital watch > > (or the 24-hour clock): 10:01AM, on January 10, 1001. > > ARGH! It also happened at 11:11 11/11 1111 and will happen > again at 21:12 > 21/12 2112, if you use the non-US order for month/date. > > a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:54:34 -0600 From: Jack Lippold Subject: [loud-fans] Hot Rox Avec Lying Sweet Talk Alex Chilton gets TV work, yea! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:48:19 -0500 (EST) From: jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] random Olympic notes Quoting Miles Goosens : > * How come during this whole "figure skating is fixed" scandal (this was > news? like it hasn't been rigged all along, mm hm), no one mentioned > how Torvill and Dean were robbed in 1994. That time, the judges hid behind > the notion that some of T&D's moves were illegal -- even though the same > judges had given the same routine the gold medal at last World Championships > before the Olympics. They hosed my beloved Surya Bonaly, the most athletically-gifted woman figure skater I've ever seen, with a similar rationale: too athletic, not artistic enough. Silly me, I thought the Olympics was an athletic event... > * Pointless mawkish "Enberg Moments" replaced with the remains of Jim > McKay. I warned you. Can we get Gillooly and Eckhardt on this Enberg situation? > * I really, really hope that the boring, stuck-up, overrated Michelle > Kwan falls on her ass in ways that Nicole Bobek could only imagine. Granted she's no Kristy Yamaguchi but for boring, stuck-up, and overrated she's also no match for old Horse Face, "Whyyyyyy meeeeee??" Kerrigan. > * One of the skiing announcers: Mike Breen. Not the erstwhile loud-lister, of course, but an excellent NYC-area play-by- play man. Don Imus fans still mourn the day Breen left the Imus show...his dead-pan sports update parodies were flat-out hysterical. Has anybody else found the men's hockey matches to be much more exciting and enjoyable than the NHL? That USA v. Russia game was thrilling from start to finish. Maybe there's something to throwing out the two-line rule and banning fighting...the games really fly. Love that short-track men's speed skating event...all the really good skaters have this awesome race, and then in the final stretch they all fall down and the guy in last place wins! I can't believe they didn't do the medals race over when it was clear that little Korean guy took everybody out... Mmmm....Korean take-out.... JS - ------------------------------------------------- BROOKLYN LAW SCHOOL WEBMAIL: info ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:55:37 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hot Rox Avec Lying Sweet Talk >Alex Chilton gets TV work, yea! Er...details? It's gotta beat washing dishes, Andy "I hate stress, that's why I keep adding more to my life." - --Jenny Grover ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2002 16:59:42 -0500 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hot Rox Avec Lying Sweet Talk "Andrew Hamlin" writes: | >Alex Chilton gets TV work, yea! | | Er...details? It's an anagram, looks like. Dan - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:15:32 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Fw: Re: [loud-fans] Since things are quiet... fun with time. >On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, R. Kevin Doyle wrote: > >> It is an event which has only happened once before, and is >something >> which will never be repeated. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Until, of course, the earth is conquered by the evil androids with their binary calendar, and such events become commonplace. I feel especially stupid for asking this, but has B.C. become B.C.E. or is that something else? - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:23:44 -0800 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Since things are quiet... fun with time. > I feel especially stupid for asking this, but has B.C. become B.C.E. or > is that something else? BC ("Before Christ") has not "become" BCE ("Before the Common Era); it's just viewed as a less Christianity-centric means of determining when stuff, you know, happened. By the way, the equivalent to AD ("Anno Domini") is CE ("Common Era"). n.p. Bill Lloyd, Set to Pop Michael - -- "No one told me you were lovely - I just decided it was so You've got that glow Like sunlight on the windows of an empty room Like television snow" JudyBats ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:27:54 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [loud-fans] Since things are quiet... fun with time. On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Dana L Paoli wrote: > I feel especially stupid for asking this, but has B.C. become B.C.E. or > is that something else? "Before Copyright Enforcement." - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::American people like their politics like Pez - small, sweet, and ::coming out of a funny plastic head. __Dennis Miller__ np: The Shazam s/t ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:28:40 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [loud-fans] Since things are quiet... fun with time. BCE - Before the Christian era - and CE were introduced by scientists who wanted to use terms that don't imply a Christian allegiance. So you see them most often in scientific writing (and in non-scientific writing by non-Christians). They refer to exactly the same dates as BC and AD. Some writers use b.p., or before the present. On 2/19/02, Dana L Paoli wrote: > >On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, R. Kevin Doyle wrote: >> >>> It is an event which has only happened once before, and is >>something >>> which will never be repeated. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >Until, of course, the earth is conquered by the evil androids with their >binary calendar, and such events become commonplace. > >I feel especially stupid for asking this, but has B.C. become B.C.E. or >is that something else? > >--dana > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:32:10 -0800 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Since things are quiet... fun with time. On 2/19/02 3:28 PM, John Cooper wrote: > > Some writers use b.p., or before the present. No, that's different. BP has a specific meaning, especially in the context of carbon dating in archaeology or paleontology, and means exactly that: Before the Present. In other words, 10,000 BP is 8,000 BCE. Michael - -- "Not quite true romance, my superior and I" The Loud Family ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:08:09 -0800 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Since things are quiet... fun with time. >If any of you have read this, do you have any further reading >recommendations, knowing how much I loved _Einstein's Dreams_? EINSTEIN'S DREAMS (which I also liked very much) reminded me of Italo Calvino's INVISIBLE CITIES, although the latter has much less science content. The short film "La Jetee"--a time travel story with an emphasis on the relationship between time and memory, best known as the source for the rather more garish TWELVE MONKEYS--might also be of interest. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:27:36 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hot Rox Avec Lying Sweet Talk On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Jack Lippold wrote: > Alex Chilton gets TV work, yea! jeez! & i asked Scott point-blank if there were anagrams in there, too! (he said "no") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:02:34 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] Olympic stuff Howdy! *How come the ice dancers all look like Seigfred and Roy?* *I'm really, really tired of people crying when they don't get the gold. Jesus! I guess being the 2nd or 3rd best in the world doesn't mean a whole lot. Get outta here! Yeah you, Canadian lady skater! Wipe that irritating fake smile off your face. Yuck. *Yoko's kid has been the only gracious loser I've seen yet. *Please don't outlaw hockey fights. *I miss Tonya. *Glad my name isn't Dick Button. Gil Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:01:24 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] yes, it's true... Just thought you should know: tangential Rosicrucian content now being bruited about on the Robyn Hitchcock list. MWAH-HA-HA-HAA!!! - --Jeff, who wasn't responsible for it. J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I can bellow like a clown school drill instructor:: __Brian Block__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 02:38:19 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hot Rox Avec Lying Sweet Talk On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, dmw wrote: > jeez! > & i asked Scott point-blank if there were anagrams in there, too! This reminds me of a seminar I went to by the head of the Nabokov research center at Cornell. He was building a theory of Nabokov's use of anagrams in one of his novels. He was showing how a charcter's name will appear in anagram form in this or that important sentence--not using all the letters of the sentence, mind you, but that all of the letters of the name will appear in the sentence. (So, for example, the subject line contains an anagram for "Lolita") Sometimes the letters would be used too many times in the sentence, and sometimes the sentence wouldn't contain a complete anagram of the name, but most of the name. You can probably see what's coming--I picked out a random page in the book, and found complete "anagrams" for the name in all but two of the sentences on the page, and near-angrams in the remaining two sentences. The Q&A got rather ugly. - --Mr Mo Jo Risen ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #73 ******************************