From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #69 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, February 16 2002 Volume 02 : Number 069 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Introoooduction [Gil Ray ] RE: [loud-fans] Introoooduction ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: [loud-fans] FUEL ["Pete O." ] RE: [loud-fans] Academy Awards 2001 [Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com] RE: [loud-fans] Academy Awards 2001 [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] FUEL [Steve Holtebeck ] [loud-fans] Rolling Stone 50 Greatest Album Covers ["R. Kevin Doyle" ] Re: [loud-fans] Rolling Stone 50 Greatest Album Covers [Jeffrey with 2 Fs] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:23:19 -0800 (PST) From: Gil Ray Subject: [loud-fans] Introoooduction Howdy folks, I'm black and I'm back!...no...I'm here and I'm queer!...no, not really...anyway, how are ya'? Name: Gil Ray Location: Albany, Ca.(strange, but true; I live directly underneath famous Albany record moguls Joe and Sue. Even stranger than that, I used to live directly above the famous Photo Robert Toren...) Former location: San Francisco, San Rafael, and Started out in Charlotte N.C. Birthday: Sept. 17 1956 Occupation: Music wholesale distribution (should've stayed in school and had something to fall back on..) Religion: only when I curse. I have been known to step inside a church for weddings and funerals. Married: Yep! to Stacey. Children: Nope! Pets: A very sensitive cat named Monster. Beard: Alternates. If I want to hide a quickly disappearing chin-yes. If I want to try a look a bit younger-no. Tough trade off here. Vision correction:Yep.Needs tweaking. Met Janet: Yep. And her tattoo, husband and baby (in that order) First Scott: Played on the same bill with Game Theory with my previous band, Fade To Black (yeah, I know...) in 1984. Best show: Not sure Most recent show: Soft Boys at the Fillmore Most recent record: Bob Dylan's Highway 51 Revisited. This is my first Dylan record! He kinda comes in the class of >singers with not pleasant voices< that I avoided for so long, but am now starting to appreciate. Tom Waits and Neil Young are also members. (I love them now).It's never too late, is it? Later, Gil ____ Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:56:51 -0500 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Introoooduction |-----Original Message----- |From: Gil Ray [mailto:ggilray@yahoo.com] |Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 3:23 AM |To: loud-fans@smoe.org |Subject: [loud-fans] Introoooduction | | | Howdy folks, I'm black and I'm back!...no...I'm here |and I'm queer!...no, not really...anyway, how are ya'? |Name: Gil Ray |Location: Albany, Ca.(strange, but true; I live |directly underneath famous Albany record moguls Joe |and Sue. Even stranger than that, I used to live |directly above the famous Photo Robert Toren...) |Former location: San Francisco, San Rafael, and |Started out in Charlotte N.C. |Birthday: Sept. 17 1956 |Occupation: Music wholesale distribution (should've |stayed in school and had something to fall back on..) |Religion: only when I curse. I have been known to step |inside a church for weddings and funerals. |Married: Yep! to Stacey. |Children: Nope! |Pets: A very sensitive cat named Monster. |Beard: Alternates. If I want to hide a quickly |disappearing chin-yes. If I want to try a look a bit |younger-no. Tough trade off here. Vision correction:Yep.Needs |tweaking. Met Janet: Yep. And her tattoo, husband and baby (in |that order) First Scott: Played on the same bill with Game |Theory with my previous band, Fade To Black (yeah, I know...) |in 1984. Best show: Not sure Most recent show: Soft Boys at |the Fillmore Most recent record: Bob Dylan's Highway 51 |Revisited. This is my first Dylan record! He kinda comes in |the class of >singers with not pleasant voices< that I avoided |for so long, but am now starting to appreciate. Tom Waits and |Neil Young are also members. (I love them now).It's never too |late, is it? Later, Gil Hey Gil! Welcome from one member of the NC loudfans contingent. And I even lived in Charlotte for a while from '74-'79. Below Joe and Sue. So who has to tell who to turn the music down? With your introduction we almost actually had Scott content for the first time in quite a while. - -Larry From the home of the haplessly hoopless Tarheels. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:17:40 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Academy Awards 2001 At 06:23 PM 2/14/2002 -0500, Aaron Mandel wrote: >On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > >> Didn't get Stuart Klawans' take in THE NATION that the film was about >> a deeply closeted gay, but I don't get most of Stuart Klawans' takes. > >Just looked up this review -- it's an interesting idea, and potentially >meshes with what I remember being a *very* understated treatment of the >gay characters in Millers Crossing. But I'm not convinced. I read his interpretation before THE MAN WHO WASN'T THERE came to Nashville, so my viewing had an eye toward seeing if Klawans was onto something. Instead, I felt like that the Coens went to great lengths to demonstrate that Crane wasn't interested in *anything,* be it work, aliens, sex with men, sex with his wife, sex with a nymphet, sex with aliens. Sure, it could be that Crane is so horrified by his own homosexual impulses that he'd suppress his sexuality altogether, but I didn't see a lot of evidence to support this specific reading. >In the same vein, though, what *I* thought was going on in The Man Who >Wasn't There is that Crane is the archetypal film noir viewer personified. >He just watches and watches and watches as a series of disasters unfolds >for his pleasure, and it's never exactly resolved -- just ended. This is an interesting idea too, but for me, the stumbling block is "for his pleasure." When does Crane get any pleasure at all? It would be a pretty strong interpretation without that phrase -- protagonist and audience so jaded and numbed that the events and lives passing before them mean little or nothing. later, Miles "Then Saul of Tarsus comes along -- it's Harry Dean Stanton, the Repo Man! - -- and he asks Lazarus which was better, alive or dead, and Lazarus says "There wasn't that much difference," and so Saul kills him." - - from Joe Bob Briggs' review of THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST, 1990 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:41:33 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: FW: [loud-fans] Pazz & Jop Results / Bjork naked On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Dan Sallitt wrote: > What are the three brilliant songs? The album didn't dent me at all > upon first listen - I'd like to have something to look out for when I > try again. - Dan 'Brilliant' might have been too strong a word, but I like "Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dum", "Floater" and "Honest With Me" (tracks 1, 6, 9) a lot. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:27:35 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Academy Awards 2001 On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > This is an interesting idea too, but for me, the stumbling block is > "for his pleasure." When does Crane get any pleasure at all? You're right; "pleasure" was a bad word for it -- for his benefit, then? I mean, the movie viewer doesn't (generally) scream "yes!" when someone's stabbed to death on the screen; they're enjoying the spectacle, but profoundly passive and benumbed. Well, maybe not really numb, because they know that what they're watching isn't real. That's exactly the kind of detachment Crane seems to have, which is what makes him so eerie. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:22:05 -0000 From: "Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Academy Awards 2001 Kevin writes: > May It Be, Enya, Nicky Ryan and Roma Ryan ("The Lord of the > Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring") It took 3 people to write this bollocks? Sheesh. Ian - catching up... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:34:36 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Academy Awards 2001 At 06:22 PM 2/15/2002 +0000, Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett wrote: >Kevin writes: > >> May It Be, Enya, Nicky Ryan and Roma Ryan ("The Lord of the >> Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring") > >It took 3 people to write this bollocks? Hey, three people is the mandatory *minimum* number of co-writers on Music Row, and they come up with things that are way more bollocksy than ethereal Enya twaddle! Speaking of ethereal twaddle, I like Dead Can Dance a lot, but I'm always wondering if Lisa Gerrard and Brendan Perry are really just more acceptable versions of Enya and Dan Fogelberg... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:39:42 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Academy Awards 2001 On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > Speaking of ethereal twaddle, I like Dead Can Dance a lot, but I'm always > wondering if Lisa Gerrard and Brendan Perry are really just more acceptable > versions of Enya and Dan Fogelberg... this is actually more interesting than Miles' joke suggests. That is, if two artists perform in similar styles, what criteria do we use when consigning one to the seventh circle of mediocrity (Fogelberg) and the other to...well, somewhere other than that, since I'm iffy on DCD stuff overall, although I do like some of it quite a bit? The easy way out is to claim it's entirely a matter of personal taste - except that I don't believe personal taste is entirely unmoved by outside influences. there are probably plenty of things (food, music, drink, sexual positions) that seemed unpleasant, awkward, or annoying at first, but which you might have come to like eventually: why, if personal taste were solely a personal matter, would anyone try something unpleasant another time - except that there's an expectation that it's "supposed to" be better than your experience of it? Either that or we can all talk about Gordon Lightfoot again. - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ np: Fruit Bats _Echolocation_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:49:16 -0500 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] Hey it's Friday - here's some links Hey Tim, Here's an article by Jon Wurster (Superchunk) on a product of your efforts, Pro Tools, and home recording. http://indyweek.com/durham/current/volume3.html There's also a good piece by my friend Rick Cornell on the areas alt-country music scene. And other related links of possible interest www.fidelitorium.com www.chrisstamey.com http://duckkee.home.mindspring.com/ www.kitchenmastering.com/ - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:50:53 -0800 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Academy Awards 2001 >It took 3 people to write this bollocks? Which is especially odd given how much it sounds like "Wild Mountain Thyme". Josie and I saw LOTR:FOTR again last night, and I liked it even more the second time. Unlike the first time, I was able to stop comparing it point-for-point with the book and accept it on its own terms, and it works wondrous well that way. I recommend a re-viewing to anyone with the same hang-up. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:55:40 -0800 From: Matthew Weber Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Academy Awards 2001 At 12:34 PM 2/15/02 -0600, Miles Goosens wrote: >Speaking of ethereal twaddle, I like Dead Can Dance a lot, but I'm always >wondering if Lisa Gerrard and Brendan Perry are really just more >acceptable versions of Enya and Dan Fogelberg... Dude, check out Brendan Perry's phrasing and tell me he doesn't sound like a Frank Sinatra wannabe. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley Thou sentest forth thy wrath, which consumed them as stubble. And with the blast of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together, the floods stood upright as a heap, and the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea. _The Holy Bible: The Old Testament_, The Second Book of Moses, Called Exodus, chapter 15, verses 7-8 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:57:40 -0800 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hey it's Friday - here's some links >"Pro Tools has changed forever how recording is done. It's probably >the single most important development in recording music since tape >emulsion," says Sledge. Now that's the kind of hype I like! Thanks for the link! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:36:17 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Academy Awards 2001 >Dude, check out Brendan Perry's phrasing and tell me he doesn't sound like >a Frank Sinatra wannabe. He's always sounded uncannily like Neil Diamond to me. That goes to tone, though, Andy Multi-platinum rock group FUEL have requested that the corporate sponsors of a rock concert tour that is causing confusion among fans cease and desist from using the FUEL trademark. The groupwhose two albums SUNBURN and SOMETHING LIKE HUMAN have sold over four million copies worldwidehave asked Toyota to refrain from using the Fuel The Music Tour moniker in conjunction with a rock concert tour that the car manufacturer is sponsoring. The Pennsylvania-based quartetwhose hits include the #1 rock tracks Shimmer and Hemorrhage (In My Hands) as well as Bad Day, Last Time, Jesus Or A Gun and Innocenthave been known as FUEL since 1995. Songwriter/guitarist CARL BELL says, We want to clarify any confusion among our fans, and just feel this is an unfortunate oversight by the organizers of this tour. We wish the tour well, but weve fought long and hard to make a name for ourselves and dont want to mislead music fans in any way. Music and touring are what we do, so we have to protect our name. The group became aware of the problem when an ad for the Fuel The Music Tour ran in the February issue of a major music magazine on the same page as a photo of the band FUEL. Fans of FUEL--who are off the road after touring for 18 months--began emailing their website and inquiring about the groups participation in the Fuel The Music Tour. [--from a publicity e-mail I got last week] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:52:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] FUEL I would think that this would be more of a problem for a band like LIVE, whose name appears on the marquee outside every music establishment and strip club in North America. Speaking of confusing band names, I read recently that number of hits to ANTHRAX's website grew exponentially after 9/11, although I don't know if music sales increased proportionally. - --- Andrew Hamlin wrote: > Multi-platinum rock group FUEL have requested that the corporate sponsors of > a rock concert tour that is causing confusion among fans cease and desist > from using the FUEL trademark. The groupwhose two albums SUNBURN and > SOMETHING LIKE HUMAN have sold over four million copies worldwidehave asked > Toyota to refrain from using the Fuel The Music Tour moniker in > conjunction with a rock concert tour that the car manufacturer is > sponsoring. > > The Pennsylvania-based quartetwhose hits include the #1 rock tracks > Shimmer and Hemorrhage (In My Hands) as well as Bad Day, Last Time, > Jesus Or A Gun and Innocenthave been known as FUEL since 1995. > Songwriter/guitarist CARL BELL says, We want to clarify any confusion among > our fans, and just feel this is an unfortunate oversight by the organizers > of this tour. We wish the tour well, but weve fought long and hard to make > a name for ourselves and dont want to mislead music fans in any way. Music > and touring are what we do, so we have to protect our name. > > The group became aware of the problem when an ad for the Fuel The Music > Tour ran in the February issue of a major music magazine on the same page > as a photo of the band FUEL. Fans of FUEL--who are off the road after > touring for 18 months--began emailing their website and inquiring about the > groups participation in the Fuel The Music Tour. > > [--from a publicity e-mail I got last week] Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:30:45 -0600 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Academy Awards 2001 Miles, then Jeff: > Speaking of ethereal twaddle, I like Dead Can Dance a lot, but I'm always > wondering if Lisa Gerrard and Brendan Perry are really just more acceptable > versions of Enya and Dan Fogelberg... this is actually more interesting than Miles' joke suggests. That is, if two artists perform in similar styles, what criteria do we use when consigning one to the seventh circle of mediocrity (Fogelberg) and the other to...well, somewhere other than that, since I'm iffy on DCD stuff overall, although I do like some of it quite a bit? <><><><><><><><> This is so obvious I don't know why it even needs to be explained: Hairstyle! - --D The easy way out is to claim it's entirely a matter of personal taste - except that I don't believe personal taste is entirely unmoved by outside influences. there are probably plenty of things (food, music, drink, sexual positions) that seemed unpleasant, awkward, or annoying at first, but which you might have come to like eventually: why, if personal taste were solely a personal matter, would anyone try something unpleasant another time - except that there's an expectation that it's "supposed to" be better than your experience of it? Either that or we can all talk about Gordon Lightfoot again. - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ np: Fruit Bats _Echolocation_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:38:57 -0800 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Academy Awards 2001 >Either that or we can all talk about Gordon Lightfoot again. Or we could do both. For example, I really don't know if I would like Gordon Lightfoot as much if I hadn't listened to him so much when I was a kid. But I listened to John Denver a lot as well, and don't like him at all now. If I knew the reason for the difference, I'd become a rock critic! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:13:04 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] FUEL "Pete O." wrote: > I would think that this would be more of a problem for a band like LIVE, whose name > appears on the marquee outside every music establishment and strip club in North America. One of my favorite USENET exchanges ever, posted to nearly every music group sometime in late 1994/early 1995 (thank you groups.google.com!) +++ > I am interested in getting a USENET group going for the band Live > I'm sure some of you here are also fans of this band. Yeah, I like the Band live. I've got The Last Waltz, and Before The Flood, and Rock Of Ages, but I've heard mixed reviews on the new Watkins Glen CD. I always wondered how Garth made those organ sounds on Chest Fever, does anybody know? ++++ I think more people would go to strip clubs if they realized that the words "Live Private Sex Shows" written on the marquee had nothing to do with the band Live. On the other hand, this may help to explain how the Barenaked Ladies became so popular. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:18:36 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: [loud-fans] Rolling Stone 50 Greatest Album Covers http://www.rollingstone.com/features/featuregen_base.asp?pid=505 REM's "Murmur?" Love the album itself, but find this to be a dreadfully dull cover. Truth to tell, I found a lot of their choices to be cluttered and pretentious, or artsy and dull. Thank heavens they at least included "Trout Mask Replica." What think y'all think of their choices? R. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:21:28 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] FUEL On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Pete O. wrote: > I would think that this would be more of a problem for a band like LIVE, > whose name appears on the marquee outside every music establishment and > strip club in North America. Which of course brings up the classic name for any band looking to get fans in a college town: Free Beer. I've always thought it would be fun (although probably not really a good idea) to name a band TBA...I notice that act gets a lot of bookings. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Solipsism is its own reward:: __Crow T. Robot__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:22:30 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Rolling Stone 50 Greatest Album Covers On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, R. Kevin Doyle wrote: > http://www.rollingstone.com/features/featuregen_base.asp?pid=505 > > REM's "Murmur?" > > Love the album itself, but find this to be a dreadfully dull cover. Truth > to tell, I found a lot of their choices to be cluttered and pretentious, or > artsy and dull. Thank heavens they at least included "Trout Mask Replica." I like the cover of _Murmur_ - I think it's atmospherically apt. In general, though...pretty lame selection. A few predictable long-time favorites, but mostly a lot of choices that seem there more because the album was popular than because the cover art was any good. I mean, c'mon...'N Sync?!? Oboy, they can make fun of the whole "puppet" thing...in the lamest, most obvious way possible. Not to mention that the prose is abysmal - the blurk about "prophetic" re REM, the drooling (and misrepresentation, if ya asks me) over Madonna's body - yech. - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #69 ******************************