From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #62 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, February 10 2002 Volume 02 : Number 062 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] beleleley [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] beleleley [Elizabeth Setler ] Re: [loud-fans] blelly [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Shuggie Otis [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Aaron Gets Snippy [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] blelly ["John Sharples" ] [loud-fans] RE: You Can Count on Me [Jo Brown ] Re: [loud-fans] blelly [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] RE: You Can Count on Me ["Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] beleleley At Friday 2/8/2002 11:05 PM -0500, John Sharples wrote: >Loves "Feed the Tree," Dusted! Doesn't anyone like Dusted? That's my fave Belly song from STAR. I also like Now They'll Sleep from KING a lot. >and yes, even the Cardinal! Hey, whatever happened to 007? His posts were even more obfuscatious than Hamlin's and McGreevy's combined! I miss him and his big words. And Elizabeth, you're not evil, just misunderstood. Like Bulgaria. Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 05:27:07 -0800 From: Elizabeth Setler Subject: Re: [loud-fans] beleleley At 1:22 AM -0700 2/9/02, Roger Winston wrote: > >And Elizabeth, you're not evil, just misunderstood. Like Bulgaria. Or perhaps that's just what I *want* you to think. On an actual musical topic, I'm headed off to see Richard Thompson in the almost absurdly charming town of Santa Cruz. You may all envy me now. :-) - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:47:49 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] blelly On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, John Sharples wrote: > Don't stop there. For sheer heaviness, Johns probably has the most > impressive resume in rock. He did quite a lot of work on the Beatles' LET > IT BE (he remixed both versions of the shelved GET BACK albums--and by the > way, I have them both, and while they have their moments, neither are really > anywhere near as presentable as the official Spectorized release). well, _who's next_ was one that stuck out as an almost unassailable aural and artistic masterpiece. townshend's guitar sound on 'fooled' is a watershed. i'd never pick _let it be_ as an example of genius production/engineering, since the danged thing is so controversial, production/arrangement-wise > very pantheon of classic Brit rock. Nicky Hopkins worked with the Beatles, > Stones, and The Who, and I would imagine he's Glyn's closest competition in > that regard. Phill Browns's _Are We Still Rolling?_ is being serialized in Tape Op. He didn't work with the pantheon of classic Brit Rock but the guy's breadth is still astounding. Also Joan Armatrading, Beefheart, Pointer Sisters, John Fahey. Yeesh. Oh, and Scott Content, too. congrats on the end of yr. era, JS. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:04:04 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Shuggie Otis On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Stewart Mason wrote: > Trivia fun: Shuggie Otis is the son of Johnny Otis, who was the leading > black bandleader in LA in the '40s and '50s despite the fact that he was a > dark-skinned Greek passing in reverse as a light-skinned black. Passing in reverse? Man, we were talking about some bad driving here a few weeks back - but that tops it. I recommend the Shuggie Otis release unreservedly. In other news, specifically an update in the "Jeff finally sees movies everyone else was talking about last year" column, we watched _You Can Count on Me_ last night. I thought it was a fine, if flawed, movie: Laura Linney's performance was excellent, but the whole prologue seemed completely redundant and unnecessary to me (given that about everything in it is revealed in a couple of scenes later, notably the Terry and Rudy seatbelt scene)...and the whole Linney/Broderick thing came completely out of left field for Rose and me...still can't make sense of it. (ps to Sharples: Laura Linney's plenty cute, yes - but me, I couldn't get my mind away from our previous night's viewing, _State and Main_, since Rebecca Pidgeon's character in that movie is The Cutest Ever as far as I'm concerned...) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I can bellow like a clown school drill instructor:: __Brian Block__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:07:40 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Public Service Announcement with Jeff somewhat in mind (ns) On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Dana L Paoli wrote: > On the singles collection "Dymaxion x 4+3=38:33" there's a cover of "US > 80's, 90's". A band with a cool name, beloved by Stereolab, doing a > cover of a great song by the Fall sounds like a great thing to buy. > > I'm not saying it's bad; I kind of like it in a weird sort of a way, but > it's not what you'd expect. Proceed with extreme caution. Haven't heard this one - but I heard their 7" ep from a couple of years ago...and that sounds about right. I got the feeling they were doing soundtracks for movie scenes that didnt' actually exist. (Dammit, my typing is terrible: I do know how to spell "didn't." And also the dif. between "now" and "know.") I can almost hear their version of the Fall tune...so much so, I don't think I actually *need* to hear it. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism:: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:11:23 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] beleleley On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, Elizabeth "Bulgaria" Setler wrote: > On an actual musical topic, I'm headed off to see Richard Thompson in > the almost absurdly charming town of Santa Cruz. You may all envy me > now. :-) Envy envy envy envy... Please report back... - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:09:55 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Aaron Gets Snippy On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > I have a tendency to get snippy when I'm told that I "cannnot count out" a > band who've done nothing for me but cause annoyance in the roughly 15 > years I've known they existed. A slight rhetorical problem here: I forget exactly how I phrased it the first time, but what I intended was "I cannot count them out" - not that nobody, at any time, for any reason, regardless of their own tastes, could not do so. Although I did imply that, because my reason for making that statement about me was that they'd make several radical changes in approach after I'd tentatively counted them out...further implying that I might think it unwise for others to do so. Maybe I should have said "you cannot count them out of annoying you no matter what they do"... > More importantly, perhaps, they're one of the few bands for which saying > "Don't give up on them!" is almost completely pointless -- one is going to > end up hearing their next single repeatedly whether one wants to or not. Maybe...but then, the singles aren't necessarily the interesting tracks. But hey - I'm sure everybody retains some fondness for some band that other folks absolutely can't stand. Who was that one Bay Area band we used to talk about on this list, w/the squeaky singer? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I'M ONLY AS LARGE AS AN ANT AND I'M HIDING INSIDE YOUR CAR:: __cryptic placemat phrase, Madison WI, 1986__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:39:49 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] blelly >Phill Browns's _Are We Still Rolling?_ is being serialized in Tape Op. >He didn't work with the pantheon of classic Brit Rock but the guy's >breadth is still astounding. Also Joan Armatrading, Beefheart, Pointer >Sisters, John Fahey. Yeesh. Oh, and Scott Content, too. Hey mate, you forgot SPIRIT OF EDEN, LAUGHING STOCK, and MARK HOLLIS, you did! (I wonder if he worked on COLOUR OF SPRING...allmusic.com still isn't giving the fellow his due.) Any stories about those records? Does this Tape Op business have a web site? So far as "heaviest producer," why has no one brought in Toronto Bob? Like flames reaching out from the sun, Andy "Politics is very partisan." - --Pierre Rinfret ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:38:33 -0500 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] blelly dmw: i'd never pick _let it be_ as an example of genius >production/engineering, since the danged thing is so controversial, >production/arrangement-wise Oh, I certainly didn't mean to say LET IT BE was well-produced, just to point out his connection to the Beatles, but I could see how you'd take it that way. I wasn't thinking straight. I had the Olympics on and the Evil Icicles were chasing Little Red Skating Hood and I was scared. JS How big of an asshole is Dick Ebersol? *This* big: "I'm convinced that if the Sept. 11 attacks tell sports television anything, it is that the story - not the game - is the important thing. I think this will translate into great audiences for the Olympics in Salt Lake City. Number 1, it is in the United States. And number 2, there is a strong wave of patriotism, which is a great opportunity for storytelling." - -NBC executive Dick Ebersol, Novermber 2001, ELECTRONIC MEDIA. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:31:42 -0800 From: Jo Brown Subject: [loud-fans] RE: You Can Count on Me In regard to the Linney character's "crazy, madcap" affair with her autocratic, rather pathetic, and otherwise completely unworthy boss (Matthew Broderick in a really wonderful performance), I thought the filmmaker was trying to show us that her character had a little (maybe more than a little) of her brother's irresponsibility and other seemingly destructive characteristics, just as he showed us in other scenes that the brother wasn't utterly irresponsible either. They were more alike than the Linney charcter wanted to or could admit; this affair made her feel incredibly alive, absurd though it was. This was a big part of the message of the movie as I interpreted it, along with that people aren't entirely predictable (either good or bad) and that if you want them in your life you must accept them as they are. The other thing about this movie that is notable for me is that the JDC and I saw it on Christmas Even in Miami. The people sitting behind us were very vocal, at least the guy, and sighed and muttered loudly whenever the brother character did anything he didn't approve of (I think these people had no idea what the film was about before seeing it--no car chases, darn). John turned around pointedly a couple of times and stared at him, then told him to please be quiet. Finally, after the guy said something out loud in a particularly crucial scene, John wheeled around and barked right in his face, "Would you please just SHUT UP!" We didn't hear a peep out of anyone for the rest of the movie, and I spent a couple of days referring to JDC as Mad Dog. - -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey [SMTP:jenor@csd.uwm.edu] Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 8:04 AM To: Omnes Cogitate Nimium Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Shuggie Otis On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Stewart Mason wrote: > Trivia fun: Shuggie Otis is the son of Johnny Otis, who was the leading > black bandleader in LA in the '40s and '50s despite the fact that he was a > dark-skinned Greek passing in reverse as a light-skinned black. Passing in reverse? Man, we were talking about some bad driving here a few weeks back - but that tops it. I recommend the Shuggie Otis release unreservedly. In other news, specifically an update in the "Jeff finally sees movies everyone else was talking about last year" column, we watched _You Can Count on Me_ last night. I thought it was a fine, if flawed, movie: Laura Linney's performance was excellent, but the whole prologue seemed completely redundant and unnecessary to me (given that about everything in it is revealed in a couple of scenes later, notably the Terry and Rudy seatbelt scene)...and the whole Linney/Broderick thing came completely out of left field for Rose and me...still can't make sense of it. (ps to Sharples: Laura Linney's plenty cute, yes - but me, I couldn't get my mind away from our previous night's viewing, _State and Main_, since Rebecca Pidgeon's character in that movie is The Cutest Ever as far as I'm concerned...) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I can bellow like a clown school drill instructor:: __Brian Block__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 12:16:14 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] blelly At Saturday 2/9/2002 01:38 PM -0500, John Sharples wrote: >I wasn't thinking straight. I had the Olympics on and the Evil >Icicles were chasing Little Red Skating Hood and I was scared. Or as people on another list I'm on called the Evil Icicles, "Klansmen on Ice". I saw just enough of the opening ceremonies (the part you cite) to know I didn't want to watch the whole thing. The Academy Awards show is going to have a lot to live up to this year. I especially liked how the NBC people kept feeling that they had to talk over the spectacle and comment on things like it was an actual sporting event. Hey, let the images do the talking! Latre. --Rog (closer to Utah than you are) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:18:36 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: You Can Count on Me >In regard to the Linney character's "crazy, madcap" affair with her >autocratic, rather pathetic, and otherwise completely unworthy boss >(Matthew Broderick in a really wonderful performance), I thought the >filmmaker was trying to show us that her character had a little (maybe more >than a little) of her brother's irresponsibility and other seemingly >destructive characteristics, just as he showed us in other scenes that the >brother wasn't utterly irresponsible either. Yes, I tend to think of the brother and the sister as yin-and-yang, each with a spot of the other inside. But they'd arrived at that stasis, so to speak, through their different circumstances. And as the film progresses, those circumstances shift. Then we've got PERFORMANCE, where James Fox and Mick Jagger actually start to merge...but that's another story... >John turned around pointedly a couple of times and stared at him, then told >him to please be quiet. Finally, after the guy said something out loud in a >particularly crucial scene, John wheeled around and barked right in his >face, "Would you please just SHUT UP!" We didn't hear a peep out of anyone >for the rest of the movie, and I spent a couple of days referring to JDC as >Mad Dog. One lovely story--too lovely to be true, but still lovely: shortly after SILENCE OF THE LAMBS came out, Anthony Hopkins decided to watch it in a first-run theater. Nobody recognized him at the ticket booth; he just paid his money and went inside. The lights went down, the film started, and the two guys in front of him went yackety-yackety-yak-yak-yak-yackety-yak-yak for the first twenty minutes, or half hour, or something. Finally Hopkins could take no more. He leaned forward between the seats and hissed in his finest Dr. Hannibal Lecter sibilance: "Would you TWO gentlemen PLEASE, BE, QUIET." They looked at him, looked at the screen, looked at him, looked at the screen, unleashed a matched set of primal screeches, and ran like raped apes for the EXIT sign. As I say, a much too lovely story to be true. Still, a fellow can dream... Did I tell you the one about my brother and Rae Dawn Chong? Andy "I had the Olympics on and the Evil Icicles were chasing Little Red Skating Hood and I was scared." - --John Sharples ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 18:33:57 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: You Can Count on Me On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, Jo Brown wrote: > In regard to the Linney character's "crazy, madcap" affair with her > autocratic, rather pathetic, and otherwise completely unworthy boss > (Matthew Broderick in a really wonderful performance), I thought the > filmmaker was trying to show us that her character had a little (maybe more > than a little) of her brother's irresponsibility and other seemingly > destructive characteristics, just as he showed us in other scenes that the > brother wasn't utterly irresponsible either. They were more alike than the > Linney charcter wanted to or could admit; this affair made her feel > incredibly alive, absurd though it was. This was a big part of the message > of the movie as I interpreted it, along with that people aren't entirely > predictable (either good or bad) and that if you want them in your life you > must accept them as they are. Oh yes, I agree that that's what it was *supposed* to convey; I argue only that it was a poor choice of vehicle to do so, in that neither Sammy nor Brian had evinced any attraction whatsoever toward one another beforehand, and Sammy could clearly have been irresponsible and spontaneously bad-example-setting w/almost any man of her choosing, and therefore, the *point* of the affair bludgeons the viewer about the head, distracting from the movie itself. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::American people like their politics like Pez - small, sweet, and ::coming out of a funny plastic head. __Dennis Miller__ ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #62 ******************************