From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #58 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, February 6 2002 Volume 02 : Number 058 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] West Goes At The Movies Some More [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] West Goes At The Movies Part 1 [jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu] [loud-fans] Secret ingredients [Richard Gagnon ] RE: [loud-fans] West Goes At The Movies Some More (long, ns) ["Jeff Downi] Re: [loud-fans] jojo ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] jojo [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] Re: Why Everyone Hates West Virginia/Turducken [Robert Toren ] RE: [loud-fans] West Goes At The Movies Some More (long, ns) [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] take the lombardi trophy to the stop-n-shop ["richblath" ] Re: [loud-fans] on the silver platter [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] take the lombardi trophy to the stop-n-shop ["Dennis McGr] Re: [loud-fans] take the lombardi trophy to the stop-n-shop [Michael Mitt] Re: [loud-fans] take the lombardi trophy to the stop-n-shop [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Contributor directory now available [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Je] [loud-fans] turducken serendipity (so NS it hurts) [Janet Ingraham Dwyer ] Re: [loud-fans] turducken serendipity (so NS it hurts) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs] Re: [loud-fans] turducken serendipity (so NS it hurts) [Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] West Goes At The Movies Some More On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, West Moran wrote: > IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE (1946) Directed by Frank Capra > > And now for the part where everyone hates me. I do not like this movie. The > message at its core, as I see it, is "Settle For Less". Every time George > Bailey tries to escape from Bedford Falls, every time he tries to make a break > for greener pastures, every times he goes for the brass ring, he is undone by > his innate goodness and the stupidity and greed of every fucking idiot in I saw this movie in its entirety for the first time in 1997, and I was shocked by how mean-spirited and bitter it was, and by how nice a guy George Bailey was not. I wrote about it, if anyone is interested: http://www.pathetic-caverns.com/movies/v_i.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 14:10:00 -0500 (EST) From: jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] West Goes At The Movies Part 1 Quoting West Moran : > STARMAN (1984) Directed by John Carpenter This is one of my favorite 'sleeper' films of all time, and you're right, it's very surprising it came from Carpenter--it's so gentle and understated. It's truly heartbreaking the way Karen Allen is grieving at the beginning. "Jen - ny - Hay - den!" Bridges rules. Karen Allen has > the > most beautiful eyes ever. So much so that her cameo in IN THE BEDROOM is actually distracting. > One other thing: a lot of film scholars have talked about the > filmmaker/composer relationship between Alfred Hitchcock and the > legendary > Bernard Herrmann. What not so many film scholars have talked about is > the > similar relationship between Herrmann and Harryhausen. Good observation... > a fascinating contrast with Herrmann's Hitchcock scores, which are (with > the > possible exception of "North By Northwest") not that much fun at all. The PSYCHO and THE BIRDS scores are loads of fun! JS - ------------------------------------------------- BROOKLYN LAW SCHOOL WEBMAIL: pcm2.brooklaw.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 13:19:09 -0500 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] Secret ingredients Roger wrote: >My problem with the episode, besides the relative dull-ness, the >stupid monster, and the >non-furtherance of major plotlines, was >that I just had a really hard time believing that the >Buffyverse >FDA and/or FCC has not come down on the Doublemeat Palace chain like >a ton of >bricks for fraud and false advertising. Since even a >five-year managerial employee knew that >the burger (and chicken?) >patties were actually vegetable matter with some beef fat added, >how >likely is it that the general public and the government >wouldn't know too? Doesn't some >government agency or another test >the food sold by fast food restaurants to see what is >actually in >them and to see if they are meeting claims? Well, this brings up an interesting little story. A old friend of mine, back in the Eighties, took a job flipping burgers at the Canadian fast food chain Harvey's. During training, they were instructed about the difference between their burgers and the Competition's. Indeed, while Harvey's burgers contained a whopping 22 percent meat (but 100% beef, of course!), Burger King's Whoppers included a meagre 14%. I guess the trade secrets aren't as rabidly protected in Canada. This kind of thing comes as no surprise, really, to readers of things like William Poundstone's "Big Secrets" series or William Lutz's "Doublespeak", which give us scary hints of just how many legal ways of lying there are. Rick - -- "If you die, you do so at your own risk" ******Neil Hannon, "Note to self"****** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 12:41:09 -0600 From: "Jeff Downing" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] West Goes At The Movies Some More (long, ns) DMW wrote: >I saw this movie in its entirety for the first time in 1997, and I was >shocked by how mean-spirited and bitter it was, and by how nice a guy >George Bailey was not. >I wrote about it, if anyone is interested: http://www.pathetic-caverns.com/movies/v_i.html Gilbert Sorrentino has also written an unflattering assessment of the film in Context (http://www.centerforbookculture.org/context/no2/sorrentino.html) Relevant snippets: "Capra's greatest film, It's a Wonderful Life, is a curious example of a work that means precisely the opposite of what it seems to say. Its true message is, in the context of Capra's oeuvre, a surprising one: Money is everything. Although the film is usually read as the pinnacle of the Capraesque ideal of grassroots optimism, I would argue that its subtext calls this optimism into serious question. In effect, the film encapsulates a disgust and anger with modern American life that are barely hidden, and often glaringly foregrounded. [...] "George's marriage is presented to us as idyllic, its love persisting in the midst of a genteel hand-to-mouth existence, endless disappointments, etc. Yet an early scene prepares us for the hateful Christmas Eve scene that occurs just before George flees the house. In the earlier scene, George becomes nearly hysterical as he shakes Mary, his future wife, wildly shouts at her of his need for freedom, tells her that he will never marry anyone, and so forth. He marries, then, unwillingly, just as he, on his wedding day, unwillingly disappoints Mary's expectation of a honeymoon trip. (Capra is careful always to make George a little wishy-washy; well, he has no money.) George's marriage, the contemplation of which, earlier, drove him wild, absolutely thwarts all his dreams, and reinforces his stasis. The earlier, neurotic scene neatly lays the groundwork for the amazingly mean and cruel Christmas Eve scene, which, in turn, has been prepared for by George's frantic attack on Uncle Billy (one of Capra's beloved bumblers), after the latter has allowed the crucial bank deposit to fall into Potter's hands. George says unforgivable things to the adoring Billy, calling him a silly, stupid fool (we know, instantly, that this is how George has always thought of him), and screaming that Billy and not George will go to jail for embezzlement. (My son once pointed out to me that George's attack on Billy is not only cruel, but is gratuitously so, and that no happy resolution can prettify it. Billy's relief in the final scene, as he stands grinning among the rescuing townspeople, is horribly servile, since he now knows precisely what George thinks of him.) This leads us into the scene at the Bailey house, wherein George rails at his entire family, mocks one of his children, allows the hatred he has for his house and job and life to surface, and, at one point, angrily asks Mary why they have to have so many children. Capra's putative "family values" are badly battered in this scene, and are instantly followed by a mechanical, tearfully maudlin interlude between George and his daughter, with George seen as the doting, worried, remorseful father. It is utterly hollow, and not only fails to defuse the previous scene, but acts to portray George as shallow and selectively mature. All this chaos of bitter anger and insult and recrimination comes about because of the loss of George's bank deposit: it is his first great test--essentially, his only test--as a man, and he fails it." Jeff Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 13:42:55 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] jojo >He started in with a few bars of "She >Cracked," I think it was, and then stopped, explaining that those >downstroke eighth-notes were stiff and unyielding (I'm paraphrasing) -- >then he played a few bars of the newer song (which admittedly had much >more of a groove). I think he even went back and forth a few times -- >"stiff!...groooove...stiff!...grooove" before finishing the set in modern >(not modern lovers) mode. This actually explains why fans of THE MODERN LOVERS are unlikely to be fans of his current music. It's just from a different world. It's not surprising to me that the one old song he continues to play is "Pablo Picasso," which is the one song from that period that isn't necessarily from the heart. Nothing against it--I find it amusing and clever and has some killer lead guitar--but it's not on the same emotional level as the rest of that album, and it's easy to see why he can keep it as part of his world whereas the rest have little in common with who he is now. Anyone who wants to experience how much passion he had should hear the live version of "I'm Straight." It's just amazing. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 11:58:50 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] jojo At 01:42 PM 2/5/02 -0500, Aaron Milenski wrote: >This actually explains why fans of THE MODERN LOVERS are unlikely to be fans >of his current music. It's just from a different world. It's not >surprising to me that the one old song he continues to play is "Pablo >Picasso," which is the one song from that period that isn't necessarily from >the heart. Nothing against it--I find it amusing and clever and has some >killer lead guitar--but it's not on the same emotional level as the rest of >that album, and it's easy to see why he can keep it as part of his world >whereas the rest have little in common with who he is now. I've always wondered if he knew that, by all accounts, Pablo Picasso *was* an asshole... S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 12:30:27 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Why Everyone Hates West Virginia/Turducken Loud-fan and ex-lister Karen Eng sent this in response to Turducken revelation: I've heard of dishes where you stuff one with many. For some reason I thought it was medieval, like this: "Coqz Heaumez ("Helmeted Cock") was a roasted whole chicken - head and all - perched atop a roasted pig on a bed of greens, and dressed in a period tunic, a lance tucked into its wing and a paper helmet on his head. It was a French dish that made its way to England, and was traditionally served as a mere snack to tide one over until the next main course." --Jackie Danicki, PP#1 by the way, karen's publishing a 'zine about food (spiritually and culturally - not recipes) called Peko Peko check it out at zukazuka.com robert ===== blah blah blah Mr. Sensitive Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:48:10 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: RE: [loud-fans] West Goes At The Movies Some More (long, ns) On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Jeff Downing wrote: > DMW wrote: > >I saw this movie in its entirety for the first time in 1997, and I was > >shocked by how mean-spirited and bitter it was, and by how nice a guy > >George Bailey was not. > > Gilbert Sorrentino has also written an unflattering assessment of > the film in Context > (http://www.centerforbookculture.org/context/no2/sorrentino.html) one last note: i didn't mean my assessment to be unflattering (just unpopular!) -- i thought it was a really good film in many ways, just not at all what i'd been led to believe it was for so many years. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:00:48 -0500 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: Posting problems |-----Original Message----- |From: dennis@illusions.com [mailto:dennis@illusions.com] |Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 11:29 AM |To: Larry Tucker |Subject: Re: Posting problems | | |On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Larry Tucker wrote: | |> Hi Dennis, |> |> Ever since my work had some ISP problems and had to bail to another |> company I can no longer post to loudfans from this address |> ltucker@townofchapelhill.org . Is there anything that can be done on |> your end? | |give it another try and if you get it bounced back to you |forward me what |you get bounced back. RU Receiving? - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 13:11:45 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 2001 poll results >Let's see...here's The Langley Schools thing - I suspect Mr. Hamlin; A reasonable guess, but wrong. As it happens, I haven't even heard that record. >Runrig - gotta be glenn; glenn, yes, but me too. Oh, Jer, I'll get that check in the mail, honest! >Marillion...glenn again... Surprisingly enough, no. glenn certainly taught me to love Marillion, but he did not care for ANORAKNOPHOBIA at all. A bit weird, since it's the first Marillion album with Hogarth that I took pretty-much-instantly to heart. Another fun fact from the poll: not only did I completely whiff the Consensus Top Fifty, but of my Top Ten albums, the Laurie Anderson is the only one that anyone else voted for, at all. If I wasn't so amused--and I am amused, please don't get me wrong--I just might feel out in the cold. Of course, the Consensus Number One is an album released 55 days before 2001 even started. Anyone else flashing back to Rolling Stone's "Top 100 Albums Of the 80's"? Andy "Someone is watching you and learning." - --E.A.G. Lourdes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:36:01 -0000 From: "richblath" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] take the lombardi trophy to the stop-n-shop - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miles Goosens" <> * I did take AQUACADE out of the car CD player today. Strangely, its > temporary successor was Motorhead's NO SLEEP TIL HAMMERSMITH. I don't know > why. Little wonder that people are confused by my mix tapes. > > * The light bank on the cover of NO SLEEP... always looks to me like a Lite > Brite fighter plane about to strafe the helpless audience. I like this. It was built around the single 'Bomber' and album of the same name that they were touring in support of when NO SLEEP... was recorded. There's another potential skeleton leaving the closet! Richard np Cracker - Forever (The Golden Age is still my favourite album of theirs) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:08:27 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] on the silver platter On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, West Moran wrote: > > First, I probably wouldn't have actually solicited an 8-page, > > single-spaced essay on someone's favorite movies (in the guise of notes to > > this CD, whose concept is songs whose titles are borrowed from those of > > movies...or just happen to be the same) - but I'm very glad to have > > received one, or at least this one, since it's passionate, intense, well > > written, and at times screamingly funny. > I'm glad you liked it. Really. I was terribly afraid of being called a > pompous, overblown windbag. Of course, I am a pompous, overblown windbag -- > I just don't want it getting around. Well yes - but you sent it to *me*. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::American people like their politics like Pez - small, sweet, and ::coming out of a funny plastic head. __Dennis Miller__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:10:59 -0800 From: "ana luisa morales" Subject: [loud-fans] cracker, _forever_.... *"no symmetry"**albany california u.s.a.* >--- Original Message --- >From: "richblath" >np Cracker - Forever (The Golden Age is still my favourite album of theirs) i picked up this album last tuesday (release day in the US), and was pleasantly surprised by it. probably david lowery's best vocals to date, including the camper van collection, and johnny hickman has some really nice leads here and there. (i agree w/ you rich, that _the golden age_ probably has the best cracker songs, but my heart will always lie closer to cvb, fwiw....) _forever_'s last song is gawdawful, tho'. i'd be more generous had it been a hidden track. album's best lyric: "god gave you life/now get out of mine." - --ana ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:14:38 -0600 From: Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com Subject: [loud-fans] cracker, _forever_.... The new Cracker is packaged with (At least for a limited run) a full-length live CD, which may or may not influence your decision to purchase the CD..... (I haven't listened to it yet, so I can't vouch for its quality) Wes >np Cracker - Forever (The Golden Age is still my favourite album of theirs) - --ana ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:21:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] on the silver platter Jeff: As many of you know, for a while in the sixties, Phil Glass and Steve Reich worked at a furniture moving company together. (That part is true.) But it seems they didn't do so well at the business: customers complained they'd keep moving the same item back and forth, back and forth, putting it down in a slightly different place each time...) Me: Old Emo Phillips joke: A friend of mine gave me a Philip Glass record. I listened to it for five hours before I realized it was skipping. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...repeat as necessary, J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:23:26 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] turducken fershmucken On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Jeff Downing wrote: > "Hebert's Specialty Meats, in Maurice, Louisiana...is a leading > purveyor of turducken, which it makes by taking the bones out of a > chicken and a duck and a turkey, stuffing the chicken with > stuffing, stuffing the stuffed chicken into a similarly stuffed > duck, and stuffing all that, along with a third kind of stuffing, > into the turkey. The result cannot be criticized for lacking > complexity, and it presents a challenge to the holiday carver > almost precisely as daunting as meat loaf. > Calvin Trillin, The New Yorker, 1/28/02 Ah, that's as nothing. I present to you: bufcowpigosturducken. That's right - ya takes a turducken, stuffs it in a ostrich, stuffs that in the pig, stuffs that in a cow, and stuffs that in a buffalo. Ha. Elephant, anyone? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"Shut up, you truculent lout, and let the cute little pixie sing!":: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:28:08 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] My, she's changed.... On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, O Geier wrote: > http://www.library.ucla.edu/libraries/mgi/campaign/2001/la/primary/council/dist1/nakahiro/website/communitysupport.htm I was doing fine with the political argument until the bit about Donnette getting down on her knees. Then I wasn't. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Some see things as they are, and say "Why?" ::Some see things as they could be, and say "Why not?" ::Some see things that aren't there, and say "Huh?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:39:51 -0500 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] on the silver platter > Old Emo Phillips joke: > A friend of mine gave me a Philip Glass record. I listened to it > for five hours before I realized it was skipping. This actually happened to me with My Bloody Valentine's ISN'T ANYTHING. Not for five hours, but for a long time. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:42:47 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: RE: [loud-fans] West Goes At The Movies Some More (long, ns) > > DMW wrote: > > >shocked by how mean-spirited and bitter it was, > and by how nice a guy George Bailey was not. > > Gilbert Sorrentino has also written aa unflattering assessment of the film in Context (http://www.centerforbookculture.org/context/no2/sorrentino.html) <"This leads us into the scene at the Bailey house, wherein George rails at his entire family, mocks one of his children..."> one of the TV versions of IAWL i saw cut parts of that scene, including his son's frozen response to George's post-fury questions_ it really is a horror film at that point_ i wouldn't call it an 'unflattering assessment' to point out the darkness of the film_ hell, candy-coating George's life wouldn't have impressed the post WWII audience_ robert ===== blah blah blah Mr. Sensitive Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:34:41 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Re: jojo [Doug described Johnathan Richman's live schtick where he does 'Bermuda' with a monologue about how stiff the old Modern Lovers were...] It was kind of a weird show (my only experience with him live, so I don't know how typical it was. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This sounds completely typical, and the long monologue about why he stopped playing angsty music was a staple of his live show at one point (it might still be, for all I know). I've seen him do it, and have a tape of him doing it elsewhere almost verbatim. Anyone who wants to experience how much passion he had should hear the live version of "I'm Straight." It's just amazing. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I always thought he and the band sounded really stoned, which I thought was part of the joke. Probably not, though. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:06:27 -0600 From: "Dennis McGreevy" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] take the lombardi trophy to the stop-n-shop doug sez: I admit though, that my thinking on this is heavily influenced by Jojo's own statments at a show I saw 7 or 8 years ago. People were requesting "Hospital" and stuff, and he wasn't playing them, and in the middle of some long pseduo-carribean song he stopped to explain why he didn't find the old stuff fun to play any more. He started in with a few bars of "She Cracked," I think it was, and then stopped, explaining that those downstroke eighth-notes were stiff and unyielding (I'm paraphrasing) -- then he played a few bars of the newer song (which admittedly had much more of a groove). I think he even went back and forth a few times -- "stiff!...groooove...stiff!...grooove" before finishing the set in modern (not modern lovers) mode. Acourse, the big irony is that the first time he started in with "She Cracked" he got a *huge* response from the crowd -- probably one of the biggest of the night. He also would often stop playing guitar in the middle of a tune and just clap and sing a capella, and he would wander around the stage singing and strumming, nowhere near the mic. It was kindof a weird show (my only experience with him live, so I don't know how typical it was. It was fun in a flaky way, but I wasn't eager to repeat it.) <><><><><><><><><><><> The Modern Lovers "album" is great, indubitably, but it's greatness is largely in being the greatest of Velvet Underground ripoffs. Jonathan's later stuff takes the same lyrical sensibility and refines it substantially, I think. He just never had such an amazing band to back him up as the original Modern Lovers. You won't hear his latter day accompaniment divert into the pummeling noise breaks of "She Cracked", but you will hear his lyrical content transcend that song's creepy pedestalizing sexism. His "mature" sensibility (which I put in quotes 'cause it's frequently anything but) has its less than "intense" goofiness, but I'd argue that that's part of his appeal, much as, say, the deliberate use of proper names to form the clunkiest possible rhymes is part of Robyn Hitchcock's. The tension created when the listener has to acknowledge that a completely stupid event occurred in an amazing song is part of the package. In the case of Richman, the exaggerated goofiness of his sentimentality seems in many ways intended to make the listener reassess the position that goofy sentimentality is worthy of derision, an idea with which Jonathan clearly disagrees. To really get Jonathan Richman, though, you must see him live. It's not just the songcraft that props up the sentimental clunkiness of the lyrics (many of his song forms are almost unimpressive at first glance; nothing you haven't heard before without it being sung heart on sleeve in exaggerated baritone), it's his presence. He is consistently the single most charismatic live performer I've ever seen. The bit doug describes above with him going a capella off mic is a fairly routine part of his shows, and I've yet to see him do this without having the audience snugly in palm throughout. I've even seen him get an audience clapping a backbeat along with his playing, then let them continue while he performed Spinners style spin-and-point dance moves, not even singing, but holding everyone's riveted attention the while. As to someone's comment about him being in his 50s and having a large college age female population showing up to see him, I'll suggest that he really is sort of ageless. The first time I saw the guy play, I was surprised when he walked into the bar because, while it was clearly him, he looked so much older than in the album sleeve images with which I was familiar. But as he walked up the steps to the stage, he transformed into a nineteen year old. I can't explain this, but it did seem truly that simple; he got up there and got younger. Which is part of his uncanny presence, and that is a thing which is to be experienced, I'd say. let me tell ya 'bout the car that I just bought, - --D NP no kidding, "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald", on that same damn radio station I was carping about before. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:15:28 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] take the lombardi trophy to the stop-n-shop > NP no kidding, "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald", on that same damn radio > station I was carping about before. Since this thread started, I'd been trying to think what the Edmund Fitzgerald reminded me of, and it finally came to me. Atlantic Monthly did a story on an interesting and funny talk show host from Minnesota. And, they posted a clip from his show which is one of the funniest things I've ever heard, where he interviews an expert on the wreck. I won't say why it's so funny, except to note that this wasn't planned, and the expert had no idea what was coming. The audio clip: http://www.theatlantic.com/ram/shipwreck28.ram The article, along with other, not as funny but still good clips, is: http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/09/fallows.htm - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:31:51 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] take the lombardi trophy to the stop-n-shop On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Dennis McGreevy wrote: > it's his presence. He is consistently the single most charismatic live > performer I've ever seen. The bit doug describes above with him going a capella > off mic is a fairly routine part of his shows, and I've yet to see him do this > without having the audience snugly in palm throughout. I've even seen him get > an audience clapping a backbeat along with his playing, then let them continue > while he performed Spinners style spin-and-point dance moves, not even singing, > but holding everyone's riveted attention the while. oh, yeah, he did that too. i dunno. i did think he was charismatic, but i also felt like i wasn't young enough, nice enough, or innocent enough to get swept up in it the way so many people were. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:46:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] take the lombardi trophy to the stop-n-shop On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Michael Mitton wrote: > The audio clip: > http://www.theatlantic.com/ram/shipwreck28.ram Proof that the Web is a terrific thing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:55:45 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: [loud-fans] Contributor directory now available I've posted the Loud-fans "database" to . You'll need a decompression program such as StuffIt Expander or WinZip, and a database or spreadsheet program to sort things into columns for you. Interesting factoids: - - The median age of those who revealed their ages is 35. (78 people posted their birthdays including year, so we've got a pretty good sample. And Jack Lippold is *not* the third oldest LoudFan, as he believes--he's no higher than no. 5.) - - Among male Loud-fans, the facial hair breakdown is approximately thus: - Beard 18% - Goatee 18% - Neither 64% - - 61% of those responding to the "Met Janet?" question say yes. - - The metropolitan areas with the largest concentrations of Loud-fans are: - San Francisco bay area - Seattle - Boston/Cambridge (but lots of cities claim two). Have fun! John On 1/21/02, I wrote: >I'm keeping a database of the introductions so far (condensed into >neat little data units), which I plan to post to a website as two >downloadables--an Excel workbook and a tab-delineated file--soon >after the trickle of introductions slows to a trickle. Subject to >general approval, of course. If nothing else, it could serve as a >handy tavern reference, preventing fisticuffs over who's the oldest >LoudFan. In other words, it's not set up for lineal reading, but for >searching and sorting. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:29:06 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Contributor directory now available On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, John Cooper wrote: > I've posted the Loud-fans "database" to . > You'll need a decompression program such as StuffIt Expander or > WinZip, and a database or spreadsheet program to sort things into > columns for you. trumped! or scooped! or something. the browsable site isn't done yet, but it's getting awrfully close -- i finishing up the part of the script that inserts images automatically, and the part that adds web links automatically and cleaning up some stuff. and then adding some administrative tools. but. tonight it did start spitting out actual files, and i just got the authentication working, so if you want to see the first few (randomly selected; more or less, these folks formatted their data very differently) http://www.mwmw.com/loudfans/ u: loudfan p: ScottMiller one of my browsers it never works the first time, but does work the second time, so, if at first you don't succeed, etc. expect many more files, soon. i expect that a buncha youse will probably want to customize your pages to create a distinctive, individual look, and there will be a way to do that, but let me get the 'vanilla' version completely working first, mkay? - -- d. - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 21:29:12 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Contributor directory now available On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, John Cooper wrote: > I've posted the Loud-fans "database" to . > You'll need a decompression program such as StuffIt Expander or > WinZip, and a database or spreadsheet program to sort things into > columns for you. Well thank you, John - 'twas quite interesting. Of course, since some of the eventually standardized questions weren't there from the start, the release of this document practically guarantees the release of further info to fill in blanks... - --Jeff: Pine user; owned by one cat, Spin; and whose wife, Rose Hilbert, would like to insist on my description limiting the whiteness of the beard to the goatee area only. J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the popularity of the gruesome FACES OF DEATH video series is ::apparently so great that a children's version is in production, ::to be called FACES OF OWIES. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:20:29 -0500 From: Janet Ingraham Dwyer Subject: [loud-fans] turducken serendipity (so NS it hurts) Hi folks - Really, I am not interested in turduckens and their ilk, but this has been a strange week. My favorite listserv to read at work (it counts as professional reading) is STUMPERS-L, a highly useful and positively fascinating list to which reference librarians (and similar sorts) post questions they've received and been unable to answer with the resources at hand. Other librarians, and the like, then join the chase and, usually, end up posting the answer, or clues thereto, or at least some entertaining rumination or another. I can think of a few loud-fans who'd get a kick out of STUMPERS; info is at http://www.cuis.edu/~stumpers/ Typically it'd be mildly notable for loud-fans and STUMPERS to discuss the same thing at the same time - we're far-ranging here on loud-fans, after all - but TURDUCKEN? This is practically mindblowing: *** - -----Original Message----- From: Daphne Drewello Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:02 PM To: stumpers-l@crf.cuis.edu Subject: Re: SUBJ: Bird within bird Roger Jones wrote > > For several years I have been searching for the original European (possibly > British) term for a dish consisting of several birds, one stuffed inside > another, e.g. duck in goose in turkey. I know the US word "turducken", but > feel sure that there is an older European word. Can you help? According to http://kmckemie.tripod.com/englishmenu.htm Turchickipheascock Pie Edward VII kitchen staff burrowed from his German heritage with a unique poultry dish. This consisted of a turkey stuffed with a chicken, then inside the chicken a pheasant, and last, inside the pheasant a woodcock. The whole transmogrified thing was baked as a pie and then served cold. Edward's chef had a staff of forty-five helpers to prepare this and other tasty things, including haggis for Scots visiting Balmoral. The Seven Centuries Cookbook. Maxime McKendry Since the site also includes "chickipig" and "pigichick" recipes, it would probably be best to check out the source cited. The book may also be found under McKendry's pen name, Maxime de la Falaise. The title varies, sometimes using _Seven Hundred Years_ instead of the more common _The Seven Centuries cookbook: from Richard II to Elizabeth II_. There is a McGraw-Hill edition from 1973 that I might be able to get my hands on, but perhaps someone has one right at hand. A dish like this, whether German or not, cries out for the German language. "A cock in a pheasant in a chicken in a turkey" ? Yup, that's a perfect description of German grammar. Daphne Drewello Alfred Dickey Library Jamestown, ND *** Note to JeFF - yes, I noted Daphne's affiliation, but she posts so frequently and so admirably to STUMPERS that I do believe she's for real. No one's ever heard of the Alfred Dickey Library, though. janet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:43:35 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] turducken serendipity (so NS it hurts) On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Janet Ingraham Dwyer wrote: > According to > > http://kmckemie.tripod.com/englishmenu.htm > > Turchickipheascock Pie > > Edward VII kitchen staff burrowed from his German heritage with a unique > poultry dish. This consisted of a turkey stuffed with a chicken, then > inside the chicken a pheasant, and last, inside the pheasant a woodcock. > The whole transmogrified thing was baked as a pie and then served cold. > Edward's chef had a staff of forty-five helpers to prepare this and > other tasty things, including haggis for Scots visiting Balmoral. The > Seven Centuries Cookbook. Maxime McKendry Alright - extensions in the other direction! So, anyone up for bufcowpigosturduckenpheascock? I agree about the German, so: Hahnimfasanimhuhninenteimtruthahnimostrichimschweininkuhimbu:ffelangefu:llt. Of Ulm. > Daphne Drewello > Alfred Dickey Library > Jamestown, ND > *** > > Note to JeFF - yes, I noted Daphne's affiliation, but she posts so > frequently and so admirably to STUMPERS that I do believe she's for real. > No one's ever heard of the Alfred Dickey Library, though. Not even Alfred Dickey, oddly. - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 22:44:19 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] turducken serendipity (so NS it hurts) All this talk of "turducken" is all well and good, but really, what does it have to do with Michael Quercio and the Rosicrucians? C'mon people, let's get back on track here. I don't think vegetarians should be discussing baking animals inside other animals anyway. Unless it's Harrison Ford inside a Tauntaun. And does this have anything to do with "hamdingers"? Latre. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:26:12 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: Re: [loud-fans] turducken serendipity (so NS it hurts) - --- Roger Winston wrote: > All this talk of "turducken" is all well and good, > but really, what does it > have to do with Michael Quercio and the > Rosicrucians? could Lolita Nation be called a Mileastio? (Quercio inside an Easter inside a Miller?) robert :-( ===== blah blah blah Mr. Sensitive Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #58 ******************************