From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #55 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, February 5 2002 Volume 02 : Number 055 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Aliases wanted by Farscape fans [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Alias [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] 2001 poll results [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] ms jovans landoscam [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] ms jovans landoscam [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Aliases wanted by Farscape fans [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] Why Everyone Hates West Virginia [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] take the lombardi trophy to the stop-n-shop [Steve Holteb] Re: [loud-fans] 2001 poll results [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] 2001 poll results [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] Why Everyone Hates West Virginia [jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Alias On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Robert Toren wrote: > i don't think i've seen mention of WB's Gilmour Girls > yet_ an excellent show, often leaving me near tears_ It was this list that got me into GG, so yeah, there are plenty of fans around here. And then Miles waxed philosophic about noses on HOMICIDE, so I have to take the opportunity to plug that show as my vote for best of the 90s. I actually didn't start watching it until its final season, but as luck would have it, I left grad school right when Court TV was starting the complete run from the beginning, which gave me plenty of time to watch every episode. There were a lot of episodes in that series that were better than 99% of movies in general release. So if you have cable.... - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:23:30 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 2001 poll results On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~aaron/results-01.txt > > Not very slick, but it has what you want. Someone mentioned being > surprised that Kevin Tihista didn't make the leader board -- as luck would > have it, he had the highest-ranked record that didn't! What's fun about this list is guessing which single individuals (probably) voted for which titles... Let's see...here's The Langley Schools thing - I suspect Mr. Hamlin; Runrig - gotta be glenn; Nick Lowe...probably Bradley Skaught; Buddy and Julie Miller...hello, Miles!; Mark Lanegan...must be Jenny Grover; Jandek - - as if that's not Andy H. again; BOC...it's Roger time!; Wellwater Conspiracy - Jenny G. again; Marillion...glenna again... There are a couple of mine down there too, despite my apparent "normalcy." Jeff Ceci n'est pas une .sig np: _History in Three Chords_ - comp. of Milwaukee punk bands, 1973-1982 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:34:51 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] take the lombardi trophy to the stop-n-shop Music first, easily ignored sports threads second: * doug said of J. Richman: >I've always thought of Richman as paralleling >Chilton in a weird way (not in all ways, mind you) -- but they both made >one raw, direct, uncomfortably *real* record early in their careers, and >then turned to permanently material that was arguably not w/o some charm, >but unarguably much lighter. I was thinking of that parallel when I wrote about Jonathan earlier, but couldn't put it into words as well as doug just did. Somehow with Chilton, though, I *understood* more of why he recoiled into whatever you want to call the last quarter-century of his career -- I mean, would you want to live in the open wound of THIRD/SISTER LOVERS the rest of your life? But there's so much joy in THE MODERN LOVERS that even with its tales of nervous geeky heartbreak, it doesn't sound like such a bad place to be. ObNashvilleBands: The most classic-Richman-like songwriter I know is the Features' Matt Pelham. Throw in some early Talking Heads twitchiness -- and a Moog -- and you've got a lot of the picture. The Features are at last free of their Spongebath contract, which means that they can sell new music again, which they are doing via their website at http://www.thefeatures.com, which you should go visit now. (There's also a new mp3 for your "try before you buy" convenience, plus an mp3 of the wonderful "Thursday" from their last Spongebath 10".) In other news: * I also second and third everything Dan Stillwell has said about Paula Carino's AQUACADE. Poor Shirley Manson, BEAUTIFUL GARBAGE still hasn't gotten a second listen from me, and still my Paula party rages on. * I did take AQUACADE out of the car CD player today. Strangely, its temporary successor was Motorhead's NO SLEEP TIL HAMMERSMITH. I don't know why. Little wonder that people are confused by my mix tapes. * The light bank on the cover of NO SLEEP... always looks to me like a Lite Brite fighter plane about to strafe the helpless audience. I like this. * I like "Rock Me, Amadeus." I especially liked it when people would call J-104 to request "Rock Me, Hot Potatoes." And they weren't joking, or mistakenly requesting "Eat Me, I'm a Danish." But I like it for itself, too. * Melissa and I both enjoyed U2's Super Bowl halftime show. It's gotta be difficult to come out for something like this and be instantly "on," but they rose to the occasion. I still have my usual reservations about them (and I'm no fan of ALL YOU CAN'T LEAVE BEHIND), but I can't ever really dislike them either, not when they're fully capable of moving you to tears despite your best effort to remain unmoved. * Why don't they just have a *real* 15-minute "concert" every year? I thought that even last year's Aerosmith-led cameo-heavy (though not Cameo-heavy -- Larry Blackmon, why have you forsaken us?) show was far better schlock than the usual schlock. Or maybe I was just mesmerized by the spectacular continuance of Britney Spears' post-2000-MTV-Awards campaign against clothing. * I was pleased when the Patriots won the game. This team looked very solid to me, rather than a team a la the '85 and '96 Pats, the latter being Patriots Super Bowl teams that got very, very lucky just in time to beat far better teams that had a real chance of winning the big game. I say this even despite the Pats taking out my beloved Raiders on that technically-correct replay reversal. If the Raiders really were deserving, they would have eked out a first down on that third-and-one and ended the game that way. So yay Pats! * As an old-school Raiders fan (congrats to Dave Casper on his Hall of Fame induction! I hope his induction speech mentions Ken Stabler's unjust exclusion from the HoF), I'm always for the AFC team. In fact, I can think of only two times I was for the NFC -- the Super Bowls following the '85 season (the deserving Bears over the stupidly lucky Patriots who should have never beaten the Dolphins and Raiders in the playoffs) and the '90 season (homeboy factor in this one: WVU's Jeff Hostetler QB'ing the Giants). I keep this loyalty despite the NFC's Rams being the only team to run my preferred wide-open AFL-style offense, and most of the AFC teams emulating the "just bore 'em, baby!" championship style of the '86 Giants. * People Jer's age may not have remembered an AFC win until Elway finally got the Broncos off the 0-4 Super Bowl schneid, but my youth was the AFL/AFC's remarkable 1969-1983 run, dotted by intermittent Cowboys championships, but just barely. Anyone else notice that the AFC has won four of the last five? * Bradshaw and Macca: I wasn't frightened or offended. It was awesomely weird -- Bradshaw being totally goofy, and Paul enjoying the moment and playing along. Bradshaw's abortive singing career has been the subject of much jest -- at the time (late '70s), during his stint at Fox, and in one of the current 1-666-if-God-is-7-11 commercials -- so context-wise it fit right in. Paul should be ashamed of that 9-11 song, not for acting personable on live TV. bonus points if you can name STOCKERS' co-stars, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:10:30 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Aliases wanted by Farscape fans At 05:41 PM 2/4/2002 -0500, JRT456@aol.com wrote: >It's a matter of time before this gets some kind of media coverage, Next issue of PLAYBOY? > but >"Farscape"-themed costume orgies are currently a booming part of the sexual >underground. So that might, you know, make up for not getting enough new >episodes. Sex over watching TV? Surely you jest. That would require, like, effort. Even if it didn't involve makeup and prosthetics. Well, more than usual. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:33:12 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Alias On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > >Contrary to the only publicly stated opinion put forward here (IIRC), I > >liked last week's Buffy. Certainly not their best, easily in the bottom > >quarter of the Buffy compendium > > Melissa and I concur. The "something is wrong!" thing could be predicted > from the moment you saw the episode's setting, sure, but played well > enough. True - but as I said, "worst episode ever"...implicitly, worst episode of this show. Which whips almost any other show's ass, overall. Part of the episode's tedium was, I think, intentional -- a job at > the local burger barn is nothing if not slow going. Well, yes...but it wasn't that tedium that irked me. It was the tedium of getting from "something is obviously wrong here" to "here's a glimmering of what is actually wrong here," which seemingly took twenty-five minutes of the same scene over and over again, involving odd-looking fast-food drones either staring off into space or (manager guy) being vaguely threatening. There were also some > nice "character" moments (Spike's offer to steal for Buffy springs to > mind). Yes - one reason why Buffy's bottom is better than...wait a minute, this is going somewhere I hadn't intended it to. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::American people like their politics like Pez - small, sweet, and ::coming out of a funny plastic head. __Dennis Miller__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:38:34 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] ms jovans landoscam On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, dmw wrote: > about two weeks ago there was message that made it's way around some spots > of usenet i sometimes look in on to the effect of "donate $1 to my paypal > account for no reason at all," and i wondered if that was free and clear > of any potential legal hassles. Sorta like the notion of putting an ad in the back of magazines (this was a stupid idea I had back in the print era...) saying "Send me $10 for the secret of financial success!!" or some such bullshit...which would get the sender a slim booklet instructing him/her to place an ad in the back of magazines saying "Send me $10 for the secret of financial success!!"... Hey, I was *twelve*, waddaya want? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"Shut up, you truculent lout, and let the cute little pixie sing!":: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:49:22 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why Everyone Hates West Virginia Jen wrote: >Miles Goosens wrote: >> >> The mountain vs. planter conflict wasn't a problem confined to >> Virginia. East Tennessee, western North Carolina, northern Georgia, and >> northern Alabama -- Appalachian areas all > >There is almost nothing of Appalachia in north AL, only a little of the >foothills area with large, farmable flatlands and good bottom land in >between those hills. You can't get much further north than Huntsville, >and that is a big cotton area. Northern Alabamians don't consider >themselves part of Appalachia. Maybe I should change that to "upcountry" instead of "Appalachians" -- I don't want to trod into a second "Blue Ridge" geographical interpretation question! I'll buy that modern north Alabamans don't think they're *of* Appalachia. Though around Ft. Payne, it looks a lot like the Appalachians to me! My general point was that the hilly regions of the South tended to be anti-planter and Unionist during the Civil War, and I think that holds true with north AL. It's possible that I'm misremembering my Mills Thornton, but was antebellum north Alabama so heavily invested in cotton? I'm thinking that it was like upland South Carolina and Georgia, much more of a subsistence economy before the war. But after the war, when yeoman farmers had no liquid assets, seed, or livestock, they were forced to look to local merchants to get "crop lien" loans just to get started again. These merchants stipulated that they had to grow a cash crop -- which in the 1860s usually meant cotton -- so the merchants would stand a chance to get a return on their investment. So cotton production expanded into areas that had stood largely outside the market economy before. (Of course this vast expansion of the cotton supply -- not just in the southern US, as the British developed Egypt and India's cotton crops during the Civil War -- led to plummeting cotton prices, and the upcountry farmers couldn't make enough on the cotton crop to pay back the crop lien. Thus many ended up losing their land, even becoming sharecroppers on what was once their own farms. And we haven't even touched on how fencing eliminated a crucial aspect of the antebellum yeoman's self-sufficiency -- ye olde free-range pig.) >> I think most people would perceive us West Virginians as southerners > >Actually, I find it rather amusing that the West Virginians up here do! >Come on! It butts up against Ohio, for cripe sakes! It's really a border state in so many ways. Unlike a lot of southern states, many government functions (DMV and highways come to mind) are centralized in state government rather than left to the counties. And it's a "pop" state like its midwestern neighbors. But I think Ohi(o?)ans invented the turducken. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:56:28 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why Everyone Hates West Virginia > >Miles Goosens wrote: > a "pop" state like its midwestern neighbors. But I > think Ohi(o?)ans > invented the turducken. "pop" state? turducken??? Rober? ===== blah blah blah Mr. Sensitive Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:23:43 -0800 From: "Douglas Stanley" Subject: [loud-fans] Go Jojo Miles asked: ========================== Does anyone else think that Jonathan Richman hit an early, spectacular peak with THE MODERN LOVERS and then never came within a rolling hill of it again? I own several of those Beserkley albums, and Loud-Listers (John Sharples prominent among them) have sent me other cuts on swap tapes, but I remain steadfastly unimpressed with anything he's done since. ========================== I cast my vote for Jojo's little-heard release from 1985 called "Rockin' and Romance". That, and "Jonathan Goes Country" are certainly within shouting distance of TML. Doug S. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:32:59 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] ms jovans landoscam On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Hey, I was *twelve*, waddaya want? Um, jeFF, you don't think you're joking, do you? I think a lot of people put that idea into practice. Also in book form: "How to make a million dollars." One of my all time favorite spam messages (for the beautifully mangled English) was for "ROCKET TRADING CONCEPT." I didn't send them any money, but I have a sneaking suspicion that for your $500 (or whatever) you learned that "ROCKET TRADING CONCEPT" was.... (drum roll, plz) ... "buy low, sell high." - -- d. - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:40:48 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Aliases wanted by Farscape fans At Monday 2/4/2002 05:41 PM -0500, JRT456@aol.com wrote: >It's a matter of time before this gets some kind of media coverage, but >"Farscape"-themed costume orgies are currently a booming part of the sexual >underground. So that might, you know, make up for not getting enough new >episodes. I thought those had been around for awhile, but they were called "Science Fiction Conventions". Actually, I'm holding out for a Babylon 5-themed orgy. Or maybe a Gilligan's Island one. My Mother The Car? Later. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:42:46 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] take the lombardi trophy to the stop-n-shop At Monday 2/4/2002 05:34 PM -0600, Miles Goosens wrote: >* As an old-school Raiders fan Eat turf, you Raider-loving scum. You are no longer welcome in Denver. Later. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:50:54 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 2001 poll results At Monday 2/4/2002 05:23 PM -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > > http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~aaron/results-01.txt > > > > Not very slick, but it has what you want. Someone mentioned being > > surprised that Kevin Tihista didn't make the leader board -- as luck would > > have it, he had the highest-ranked record that didn't! > >What's fun about this list is guessing which single individuals (probably) >voted for which titles... I don't see why you have to guess, since everyone's personal list appears at the end of the poll results page specified above... >Let's see...here's The Langley Schools thing - I suspect Mr. Hamlin; Wrong. >Runrig - gotta be glenn; ...and Hamlin. > Nick Lowe...probably Bradley Skaught; Yep. >Buddy and Julie Miller...hello, Miles!; Si. >Mark Lanegan...must be Jenny Grover; Indeed. >Jandek - as if that's not Andy H. again; Right-o! >BOC...it's Roger time!; Seems likely. >Wellwater Conspiracy - Jenny G. again; You got it! > Marillion...glenna again... Wrong-o! Hey, how come some of aaron mandel's posts don't get archived on eScribe? Later. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 18:59:46 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why Everyone Hates West Virginia At 03:56 PM 2/4/2002 -0800, Robert Toren wrote: > >> >Miles Goosens wrote: > >> a "pop" state like its midwestern neighbors. But I >> think Ohi(o?)ans >> invented the turducken. > > "pop" state? See the archives and http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~almccon/pop_soda/ > turducken??? Maybe I should let Janet explain that one. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:21:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why Everyone Hates West Virginia On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Robert Toren wrote: > > >Miles Goosens wrote: > > > a "pop" state like its midwestern neighbors. But I > > think Ohi(o?)ans > > invented the turducken. > > "pop" state? "Pop" vs. "soda", a long-running discussion... > turducken??? A turkey stuffed with a duck that's been stuffed with a chicken: http://www.cajunstuff.com/tduckfaq.htm J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:54:07 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] on the silver platter A review of West Anthony's swap CD, entitled _Multiplex_. First, I probably wouldn't have actually solicited an 8-page, single-spaced essay on someone's favorite movies (in the guise of notes to this CD, whose concept is songs whose titles are borrowed from those of movies...or just happen to be the same) - but I'm very glad to have received one, or at least this one, since it's passionate, intense, well written, and at times screamingly funny. (I really wish I could do a good Jimmy Stewart, so as to do justice to West's hilarious and obscene rant that George Bailey *should* have delivered, he says, in _It's a Wonderful Life_. Not to mention that now we all know why Sensurround movies have that disclaimer about "physical effects" on the viewer... Anyway, here goes: The CD begins, as it must, with that swoopy synthesizer thing you'll hear in theaters (apparently, it's called 'The Audience Is Listening"), followed by the "Fox Fanfare, with Cinemascope Extension" by Alfred Newman - - Randy's dad, right? There are also a handful of snippets from some of the movies scattered throughout the CD. I'll put the movies' directors and years in parentheses. Paul Kelly & the Messengers "You Can't Take it with You" (Frank Capra, 1938): I like this - when the album this is from came out, it got a brief flurry of positive American press, impelling me to pick it up. I like it well enough - although it's a bit too meat-n-potatoes for me. The Jam "That's Entertainment" (Jack Haley Jr., 1974): This is the acoustic demo (I think it's a demo) from their _Snap!_ compilation, as opposed to the 'lectrified version on _Sound Affects_. That album is probably my favorite Jam album, and this one of my favorite Paul Weller lyrics, rendered slightly more direct and poignant by the acoustic guitars. The Smiths "Panic" (Henry Bromell, 2000): Okay, so the movie came after the song...big deal. Anyway, not my favorite Smiths song, although it's fine enough. I never understood the brouhaha over the chorus of this one: apparently, "hang the DJ" *must* have been racist, since many DJs were black?!? Gee, I always thought it was because "the music that they constantly play, it says nothing about me or my life." John Velora "Coming Home" (Hal Ashby, 1978): One of my faves from the _Yellow Pills Vol. 4_ comp - I like the way Velora arches the melody up to those aching suspended ninths and whatnot. I also like the way the radiometric parabolizer defibrillates the vicuna - but what do I know? David Bowie "Starman" (John Carpenter, 1974): Another movie-follows-song number - in this case, i wonder if it wasn't named after the song. I remember being completely charmed by this one back in the '70s: I like the way the chorus rips "Somewhere Over the Rainbow," and the odd acoustic guitar voicings at the beginning, and one of my favorite production sounds/techniques: that very dry acoustic rhythm, crunchy lead (courtesy Mick Ronson), and astringent, darting strings adding a bit of peppermint candy to the mix. More records ought to sound like that (The Starlight Mints CD sort of does, btw). They Might Be Giants "Destination Moon" (Irving Pichel, 1950): Hey! It's a double-header: both artist and song named after movies. This is one of the handful of songs from _John Henry_ that I actually remember. I keep trying to like latterday TMBG as well as the earlier stuff...really I do. XTC "Jason and the Argonauts" (Don Chaffey - but as West says, "Don who?": Ray Harryhausen is the reason to see this one, from 1963): Andy, Dave, and Colin run up and down the scale for six minutes. This is why they're freakin' geniuses: they made an incredible song out of doing so. And it doesn't sound anything like Philip Glass. (As many of you know, for a while in the sixties, Phil Glass and Steve Reich worked at a furniture moving company together. (That part is true.) But it seems they didn't do so well at the business: customers complained they'd keep moving the same item back and forth, back and forth, putting it down in a slightly different place each time...) R.E.M. "Superman" (Richard Donner, 1978): Of course - although I'm partial to Robyn Hitchcock's "Superman" as well, crunchy little superman. I like the Godzilla robot at the beginning, and the weird, insistent little organ. Many of you probably have experience with a weird, insistent little organ. Los Lobos "Angels with Dirty Faces" (Michael Curtiz, 1938): Hey, another duplicate track title: didn't Tricky have a song using this title as well? I'd forgotten this particular song, although I like this Los Lobos album pretty well. Count me in the pro-Mitchell Froom camp, btw: I think that somehow his oddball production brings something to more or less tradition-based music that makes it fresher and more effective. Buffalo Springfield "Broken Arrow" (Delmer Daves, 1950): A mini-epic courtesy Neil Young, a somewhat odd, meter-shifting song with vibes and strings broken up by peculiar sonic interludes: crowd noise, a live, oversung (by Stills?) live recording of "Mr. Soul"; "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" - and, as a coda, a peculiar jazz waltz for piano trio plus clarinet (!), based loosely on the song's melody, that tosses in odd bars of four every so often. Huh? you might say - but somehow it works wonderfully. Talking Heads "The Big Country" (William Wyler, 1958): Another duplicate track - and another one that could've also had the band name be from a movie (or close to it) by using "In a Big Country" by Big Country. That's okay - I like this Talking Heads song just fine. The second-best song based on looking at things from an airplane. (The best is, of course, "Map Ref. 41N 93W" by Wire.) The Smithereens "Spellbound" (Alfred Hitchcock, 1945): Me, I keep thinking of the Siouxsie & the Banshees song of this title - but this is nice too. Sparklehorse "It's a Wonderful Life" (Frank Capra, 1946): West doesn't like this movie. Not at all. A lovely Sparklehorse number, like a layer of dust on a cracked china plate. (For those keeping score: yes, West could have used the Chris Stamey track as well.) Simon & Garfunkel "The Boxer" (Jim Sheridan, 1997): I've always loved this song - the Huge-o-Rama production should be in the dictionary next to the entry for dramatic irony. Two further notes: the trumpet/pedal steel solo in the middle quotes that famous little theme they play in the Olympics broadcasts (what was I saying about irony?), and somewhere near the end, there's this little sound that just kills me. Ever been in a near-empty arena, say after a basketball game when not many people are left? And then someone stomps on an upended, empty paper cup - and the sound reverberates throughout the arena? There's a sound just like that near the end of this track - which has always seemed the most lonely sound in the world. This song is its own movie. Cotton Mather "Marathon Man" (John Schlesinger, 1976): I don't get it: the first time I heard the most recent Cotton Mather CD, I didn't like it that well. As I said, I don't get it - because now it's among my favorites of last year (I hadn't heard it when I made my top 10 entry). Butthole Surfers "Earthquake" (Mark Robson, 1974): Mark who? Anyway, here's the Butthole Surfers, doing their best to be utterly forgettable. Who would have thought, hearing ungodly agglomerations of noise like _Cream Corn from the Socket of Davis_ or _Rembrandt Pussyhorse_, that that would be possible? Oh well... They Might Be Giants "Sensurround": Okay, at one point West notes that had he not been "so strict" about the movie/song title rule, he would have included a Rush song called "Cinderella Man," which he says is based specifically on the movie _Mr. Deeds_. Oh yeah? There ain't no stinkin' movie called "Sensurround," now is there? No, there isn't. Ha! Caught ya. Anyway, here's this song, which I like just fine. Apparently, it's from a CD single for "S-E-X-X-Y," which I recall not being terribly fond of. Probably why I didn't pick up the CD single. But hey, the *song* is about movies - so I guess it's okay here. John Zorn "Batman" (Tim Burton, 1989): Okay, I confess I just don't get the whole John Zorn thing. Uh, is this supposed to be a cover of the TV show theme? Cuz it turns everything distinctive about that song into a generic sort of outline of a song like that song, turns up the Frenetic-o-Meter to, oh, 8 or so, and then Zorn plays his horrible squawky sax, which half the time sounds like he's just playing his mouthpiece (even when he's *not* just playing his mouthpiece). Oh well. Elvis Costello & the Attractions "High Fidelity" (Stephen Frears, 2000): ANd we conclude with one of my favorite tracks from _Get Happy!!_, in which Elvis runs through a whole mess of chords and makes it sound perfectly natural...a skill he sort of fell down on in more recent years. Anyway, a very enjoyable CD and entertaining set of notes from cinephile West Anthony. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Some see things as they are, and say "Why?" ::Some see things as they could be, and say "Why not?" ::Some see things that aren't there, and say "Huh?" np: mp3 of "Rose of Sharon" from the Loud Family site ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:08:37 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] on the silver platter On 2/4/02, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >First, I probably wouldn't have actually solicited an 8-page, >single-spaced essay on someone's favorite movies (in the guise of notes to >this CD, whose concept is songs whose titles are borrowed from those of >movies...or just happen to be the same) - but I'm very glad to have >received one, or at least this one, since it's passionate, intense, well >written, and at times screamingly funny. (I really wish I could do a good >Jimmy Stewart, so as to do justice to West's hilarious and obscene rant >that George Bailey *should* have delivered, he says, in _It's a Wonderful >Life_. Not to mention that now we all know why Sensurround movies have >that disclaimer about "physical effects" on the viewer... Any chance these notes might be posted to the list, or made otherwise accessible? Please...? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:45:51 +0000 From: Dan Stillwell Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Aliases wanted by Farscape fans Roger Winston wrote: > Actually, I'm holding out for a Babylon 5-themed orgy. Hmm... It might be difficult to impersonate Londo or Vir. After all, don't the Centaurians have six err... strategic appendages? Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 22:27:25 -0500 From: Janet Ingraham Dwyer Subject: [loud-fans] Pop terducken (was: Why Everyone Hates West Virginia) At 05:21 PM 02/04/2002 -0800, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: >On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Robert Toren wrote: >> turducken??? > >A turkey stuffed with a duck that's been stuffed with a chicken: >http://www.cajunstuff.com/tduckfaq.htm Oh, thank you, Joe. It so relieving both not to have to explain terducken myself, and to know it is not an Ohio thing after all. Miles (presumably) and I have both only encountered such a delicacy for sale here in central Ohio (round at the ends and flat in the middle). Not that I've been looking. I will confirm that the proper term is "Ohioans", with two Os. Also that my history of geographically incorrect food sightings also includes Moxie soda (well, it's soda where it comes from) in a Jersey shore town. I had one. It was medicinal and rooty, very odd. I wasn't subscribed when the Moxie issue arose (around the time of the more famous celery issue, I believe), and I'm glad to finally get this out in the open. janet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:50:23 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] on the silver platter At 07:54 PM 2/4/02 -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >followed by the "Fox Fanfare, with Cinemascope Extension" by Alfred Newman >- Randy's dad, right? Alfred and Lionel are Randy's uncles. I believe his dad was a doctor. >Buffalo Springfield "Broken Arrow" (Delmer Daves, 1950): A mini-epic >courtesy Neil Young, a somewhat odd, meter-shifting song with vibes and >strings broken up by peculiar sonic interludes: crowd noise, a live, >oversung (by Stills?) live recording of "Mr. Soul"; "Take Me Out to the >Ballgame" - and, as a coda, a peculiar jazz waltz for piano trio plus >clarinet (!), based loosely on the song's melody, that tosses in odd bars >of four every so often. Huh? you might say - but somehow it works >wonderfully. I think Dewey Martin is singing the opening snatch of "Mr. Soul," not Stills. "Broken Arrow" is my all-time favorite Springfield song, even moreso than "Mr. Soul" and "Flying on the Ground Is Wrong." I've always wondered if it was in some ways inspired by the little bits of SMILE that were floating around the LA scene at the time. Neil's self-titled solo album is more of the same kind of oddly orchestrated art-pop; Reprise Records kind of specialized in that sort of thing around '68 and '69. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 21:01:27 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] take the lombardi trophy to the stop-n-shop Miles Goosens wrote: > * As an old-school Raiders fan (congrats to Dave Casper on his Hall of Fame > induction! I hope his induction speech mentions Ken Stabler's unjust > exclusion from the HoF), I'm always for the AFC team. I think Stabler's Hall of Fame exclusion just demonstrates the blatant sinistrophobia of voters determined to keep all hall of fame quarterbacks right-handed. The Snake probably won't make it before Steve Young, but one of them will break the wall down in the next five years. Frankie Albert isn't even in the NFL Hall of Fame yet! > * People Jer's age may not have remembered an AFC win until Elway finally > got the Broncos off the 0-4 Super Bowl schneid, but my youth was the > AFL/AFC's remarkable 1969-1983 run, dotted by intermittent Cowboys > championships, but just barely. The NFC domination actually started in 1981 when the 49ers and Redskins won back to back Super Bowls, then the after the (L.A.) Raiders won, it was pure NFC domination for Super Bowls XIX-XXI. Everyone born in 1965 should automatically know what Super Bowl it is! > * Bradshaw and Macca: I wasn't frightened or offended. It was awesomely > weird -- Bradshaw being totally goofy, and Paul enjoying the moment and > playing along. Yes, but why were they singing a John Lennon song? And why was Barry Bonds taking batting practice at Yankee Stadium in that Schwab commercial? I saw a Jonathan Richman play last year in Berkeley, and the crowd was a lot younger and female-skewed than I thought it would be. There were a few of the Beserkeley oldsters there, but it was mostly kids who knew him from those Farrelly brothers movies. Any 50-year-old guy who can still bring in cute college chicks must have something going for him! your most normal loud-fan (raw, not cooked), Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 01:19:46 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 2001 poll results Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > Let's see...here's The Langley Schools thing - I suspect Mr. Hamlin; > Runrig - gotta be glenn; Nick Lowe...probably Bradley Skaught; Buddy and > Julie Miller...hello, Miles!; Mark Lanegan...must be Jenny Grover; Jandek > - as if that's not Andy H. again; BOC...it's Roger time!; Wellwater > Conspiracy - Jenny G. again; Marillion...glenna again... I don't think it exactly qualifies as a guess when I posted that those were my top 2! I think you should have to guess the ones I didn't mention publicly. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 01:57:04 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 2001 poll results Okay, one question- how can REM "Reveal" be both #10 and #163? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 02:05:41 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why Everyone Hates West Virginia Miles Goosens wrote: > > Maybe I should change that to "upcountry" instead of "Appalachians" -- I > don't want to trod into a second "Blue Ridge" geographical interpretation > question! My general point was that the hilly regions of the South tended > to be anti-planter and Unionist. Alabama is far hillier around Birmingham than it is around Huntsville, and nothing like the hilliness around here, and even we aren't in the mountains proper. North Alabama is generally referred to as the Tennessee Valley, and Western North Alabama is as flat as it gets. I haven't been able to find dates yet to establish the cotton industry in these areas (I'm a terribly inefficient online researcher), but there was more than subsistence farming going on. There are still, or were until recently, some vast family farms going back to pre-civil war times. Sorghum is a longstanding industry, as well. It is far from the case that the hills get in the way of large, flat farm areas. Huntsville was a wealthy town, the capital of Alabama until the 1840's and, at one point, a temporary capitol of the Confederacy. There are slave quarters accompanying many surviving antebellum homes in Huntsville and surrounding communities, so there were slaveholders there, whether they were plantation owners or not. As for anti-planter or Unionist sentiments, I'm sure they were scattered around, and I think you would have a hard time making it stick that such sentiments were a generalized geographical pattern. West Virginia was divided on these issues, and it's far hillier here. So, it's an interesting theory, but you would have to cough up gobs of hard evidence for me to find it plausible. > But when farmers had no liquid assets, seed, or livestock > after the war and were forced to look to local merchants for loans just to > get started again, these merchants forced them into growing cotton to > ensure a cash return on their investment. North Alabama was heavily share-cropped by both whites and blacks, after the civil war and on through the depression. There is still some share-cropping going on today, though it is not the stigmatized, poverty-level enterprise it once was. This was a way of coping for people who were already farming large holdings and couldn't afford to hold onto them any other way, or to properly hire people to farm them, and it was not limited to cotton. Had it been a matter of farmers changing crops to make ends meet after the war, I don't see where this would have been such an issue. > (Of course this vast expansion of the cotton supply -- along with the > British having developed Egypt and India's cotton crops during the Civil > War -- led to plummeting cotton prices, and the upcountry farmers couldn't > make enough on the cotton crop to pay back the crop lien. This situation was exacerbated by the opening of the Suez Canal, which allowed more cheap import of foreign cotton. Plenty of Southern cotton was being produced, it was just devalued. > It's really a border state in so many ways. Yes, I would agree with this. I think Kentucky is, too. Jen ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #55 ******************************