From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #53 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, February 4 2002 Volume 02 : Number 053 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Iron XTC Mojo [Dan Stillwell ] [loud-fans] Why Everyone Hates West Virginia [Robert Toren ] [loud-fans] sucking in the 70's [Jer Fairall ] Re: [loud-fans] sucking in the 70's [=?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?= ] Re: [loud-fans] sucking in the 70's ["John Sharples" ] Re: [loud-fans] 2001 poll results [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Why Everyone Hates West Virginia [Robert Toren ] Re: [loud-fans] U2 Bowl [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] U2 Bowl [jenny grover ] [loud-fans] Re: U2 Bowl [Jon Gabriel ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: U2 Bowl [Stewart Mason ] RE: [loud-fans] Re: U2 Bowl ["R. Kevin Doyle" ] Re: [loud-fans] 2001 poll results [Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Iron XTC Mojo "Joseph M. Mallon" wrote: > > np: _Aquacade_ > > Leading by example. Well done, Dan. I can't believe that every member of this list isn't singing the praises of _Aquacade_. Great songs, wonderful vocals, fine band. Cool record label. Paula rocks. What the hell more do you want? Why wouldn't you want to get out of bed? Dan Shutting up now after posting more today than I have in the past two years ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 01:04:53 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: [loud-fans] Why Everyone Hates West Virginia In 1863 Western Virginia split off from Virginia in an act of 'secession' that raised deep constitutional concerns. I don't find much about this episode in popular Civil War histories; I assume because it muddied the legal/historical rationale for a war against Southern secession. I haven't seen shred of evidence, but I often wonder if West Virginia's economic troubles aren't caused partially by the long, unforgiving memories of neighboring Southern states. http://www.house.gov/rahall/wvhistory.htm Robert Charleston, WV 1954-67 ===== blah blah blah Mr. Sensitive Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 03:20:00 +0000 From: Dan Stillwell Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare Stewart wrote, > > >We can just stop right now. This is the clear winner. The mind boggles at > > >the thought of a song worse than "Dear Mr. Jesus." > > Then Jenny said, > How do you people find songs like this? Or maybe I don't want to know. Jeez. The little mom and pop (and son and daughter-in-law) radio station in Welch, WV  about 80 miles southeast of Jenny in Huntington  used to play a version of that song, perhaps recorded locally, that was sung by a three, maybe four-year-old girl. The words were unintelligible. Three minutes of pure listening hell. As far as I know they still play it occasionally as "The Hymn," mornings at 7:23. I don't really consider it a pop song, so I can't rate it worse than "Afternoon Delight." But the Horror. The Horror... (The oldest) Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 05:32:13 -0600 From: triggercut Subject: Re: [loud-fans] She's Heaven Yeah, gotta go with the pro-Green crowd on this. The first two tunes from WHITE SOUL ("She's Heaven" and "Night After Night") are two of the best raggedy-desperate power pop tunes I know of. To these ears it sounds like a more tuneful Replacements song. GlenSarvad@aol.com wrote: > > Perhaps it's that we both live(d) within 75 miles of Green's homebase, but > I've gotta take Jeff's back on this one. Most of Green's catalog leaves me > cold, but IMO this one song is a power pop gem and reason enough to keep the > CD around. > > Joe: > > > (06) Green: She's Heaven > > Generock w/ fey vocals. Are these the folks that did the REM EP in '89? > > Jeff: > > Yes. But "generock"?!? "Fey vocals"? Oof, yr breakin' my heart: I love > this song - to me, it's just insanely gleeful despite (or because?) of its > note of desperation. Oh well...cherchez la femme, pigs are the sons of > gout, whatever the French phrase is. > > - --Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 09:22:50 -0800 (PST) From: Jer Fairall Subject: [loud-fans] sucking in the 70's Some thoughts on this thread: a. "Dear Mr. Jesus" is indeed the worst song ever but I'd nominate "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy," "Staying Alive" and "50 Ways To Leave Your Lover" as runners-up. I know the last two probably have many defenders, but I don't care 'cause they suck. b. I've never knowingly heard "Afternoon Delight" but my mother, who just happened to be in the room as I was checking email, winced violently at it's mention and requested that Bobby Goldsboro's "Honey" be added for consideration. c. I have no opinions either way on James Taylor, John Denver or Gordon Lightfoot but I love Cat Stevens and like a lot Billy Joel (ok, "It's Still Rock N Roll" is indefensible but "Scenes From An Italian Restaurant" remains one of my favorite songs ever). Jer np (purely by coincidence): CD2 of the Cat Stevens box ===== Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:53:56 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?= Subject: Re: [loud-fans] sucking in the 70's Let's face it, beautiful people, the sucking in the 70's was actually less bad than the sucking in the following decades. And it keeps getting worse and worse! :) Toodlepip, - -Stef Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 13:44:58 +0000 From: Dan Stillwell Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why Everyone Hates West Virginia Robert Toren wrote: > I haven't seen shred of evidence, but I often wonder > if West Virginia's economic troubles aren't caused > partially by the long, unforgiving memories of > neighboring Southern states. I have to disagree with you on that, Robert. The state's coal and chemical industries have hit hard times, leading to reduced tax revenues. I don't think regionalism has anything to do with it. Most of the land in West Virginia, particularly in the southern part, is owned by companies based in the northeast. They've extracted the raw elements (and now they're taking the trees) but have returned very little. Generations of families worked in coal and chemicals. Now there are no jobs and they've have been forced to migrate elsewhere (certain areas of North Carolina could justify raising the WV flag). McDowell County, where I worked for 19 years, was once the state's largest coal producer. Now its unemployment rate is often the highest in the country. And why should any business migrate there? Until last year there wasn't an inch of interstate highway in the county (two are under construction now). Safe water and proper sewage treatment are hit-or-miss. And land, even if you have to carve it out of a hillside, isn't cheap. I'm glad I got out of McDowell, although I sometimes feel like a traitor. Beckley (where I live now), with its numerous shopping centers and two interstates, could be Anywhere, U.S.A. But drive ten miles out of town... Sure, West Virginia has a bad image  clannish, backwoodsy, beer-swilling, tobacco-chewing trailer-trash folks who take one bath a week. Those people really do exist, unfortunately. But you can also find them in abundance in Alabama, Arkansas and Mississippi, among others. And those states don't produce LoudFans :) Dan (don't EVER call me a southerner) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 12:04:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] sucking in the 70's On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Jer Fairall wrote: > a. "Dear Mr. Jesus" is indeed the worst song ever but > I'd nominate "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy," "Staying Alive" > and "50 Ways To Leave Your Lover" as runners-up. I > know the last two probably have many defenders, but I > don't care 'cause they suck. Don't believe the hype, Jer. "Staying Alive" is a great dance song. Don't let its overuse and commercial exploitation ruin your enjoyment of its percussive genius. Muisc loud and women warm, J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 15:12:21 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TWotEF.... >Does anyone else think that Jonathan Richman hit an early, spectacular peak >with THE MODERN LOVERS and then never came within a rolling hill of it >again? Absolutely. That's my favorite album of all-time, and there's not another album of his I expect to ever listen to again (except for the live album of material from this same era.) But I don't want to dis Jonathan's later work--it's just intended for different audiences. He has a whole cult of people who love him for what he's done in the last twenty years (and had one for what he did in the late 70s too), and they love his music for entirely different reasons than I do. It's sad that his style (and mindset) changed, only because what he wrote as a youth meant so much to me and many others, but it would have been sadder if he'd tried to do it again and failed. And, of course, even THE MODERN LOVRS isn't really an album--just a collection of demos. It's weird that I, a stickler for albums-as-albums, would call this my favorite, but it just is. Jonathan is the ultimate rock and roll rebel, someone who didn't stand up against authority figures, but stood up against his peers. Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:14:40 -0500 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] sucking in the 70's Stef: >Let's face it, beautiful people, the sucking in the 70's was actually less >bad than the sucking in the following decades. Turn that frown upside-down! I've said it before and I'll say it again: pound-for-pound, and despite widespread perception to the contrary, the 70s was the best decade for rock and pop. If you think of it, the 60's only started getting good four years into the decade, and although '64-'69 is a tough period to beat, fewer artists had access. Pretty much the same can be said for the 50's--rock didn't start till '55 and things were pretty lame at the decade's end. That leaves the 80s and the 90s, and I think when you put the 70s up against either decade, it wins hands down. It's not all just '76-'79, although for some people that run could carry the day by itself. It was the golden age for AM-radio pop and soul (personally I vastly prefer DIDN'T IT BLOW YOUR MIND stuff to the way-overrated Motown era) and regional American power-pop. Dylan and the Stones arguably did their best work. The solo Fabs made several great records. Glam. Bruce. BOC, Sabbath, AC/DC. Even reviled genres like disco and singer-songwriters contributed more lasting, classic work than, say, grunge. Bands we considered annoyances back then--Led Zeppelin, Fleetwood Mac, ABBA--you'd kill to have bands like that around today. Admit it. Admit it. Have a nice day, JS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:52:20 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] 2001 poll results (a) There was far less consensus about anything this year, even taking into account the fact that we didn't have a Loud Family album to agree on. (b) I added .01 to the value of each vote as a tiebreaker. So, for instance, you can see that the New Pornographers record got 10 votes, totalling 45 points in all. (c) After the records is a list of people who voted, ranked by how much their votes resemble the list's as a whole. The "flat" ranking is the sum of the scores of albums a person voted for, divided by the number of total points that person cast. The "weighted" ranking is the number of points *you* gave an album times the number of total points it got, added up over all your votes and then divided by the number of points you assigned total. The two lists are similar but not identical, and I figured that anyone who was interested in this sort of thing might have strong feelings about which way made more sense. ALBUMS 1/ new pornographers - mass romantic (45.1 points) 2/ paula carino - aquacade (35.13 points) 3/ pernice brothers - the world won't end (32.09 points) 4/ shins - oh, inverted world (26.08 points) 5/ spoon - girls can tell (22.06 points) 6/ guided by voices - isolation drills (20.08 points) 7/ sam phillips - fan dance (20.06 points) 8/ low - things we lost in the fire (19.07 points) 9/ belle da gama - garden abstract (18.08 points) 10/ rem - reveal (18.07 points) 11/ cotton mather - the big picture (18.06 points) 12/ radiohead - amnesiac (17.08 points) 13/ steve wynn - here come the miracles (17.06 points) 14/ old 97's - satellite rides (17.04 points) 15/ kristin hersh - sunny border blue (16.06 points) 15/ strokes - is this it (16.06 points) 17/ ben folds - rockin' the suburbs (15.06 points) 18/ blake babies - god bless the blake babies (15.05 points) 18/ ken stringfellow - touched (15.05 points) 20/ rufus wainwright - poses (14.07 points) 21/ young fresh fellows - because we hate you (14.04 points) 22/ bob dylan - love and theft (13.05 points) 23/ alejandro escovedo - a man under the influence (12.04 points) 24/ scott miller and the commonwealth - thus always to tyrants (11.04 points) 25/ soundtrack of our lives - behind the music (11.03 points) 25/ jimmy eat world - bleed american (11.03 points) 27/ whiskeytown - pneumonia (10.04 points) 27/ orange peels - so far (10.04 points) 27/ emm gryner - girl versions (10.04 points) 30/ atom and his package - redefining music (10.03 points) 30/ unwound - leaves turn inside you (10.03 points) 32/ white stripes - white blood cells (9.04 points) 33/ jay farrar - sebastopol (9.03 points) 34/ sloan - pretty together (8.04 points) 34/ bjork - vespertine (8.04 points) 34/ yuji oniki - tvi (8.04 points) 37/ hedwig and the angry inch - soundtrack (8.03 points) 38/ faint - danse macabre (8.02 points) 38/ ryan adams - gold (8.02 points) 38/ rheostatics - night of the shooting stars (8.02 points) 38/ divine comedy - regeneration (8.02 points) 38/ buffy the vampire slayer - once more with feeling (8.02 points) 43/ stereolab - sound dust (7.03 points) 43/ go-go's - god bless the go-go's (7.03 points) 43/ new order - get ready (7.03 points) 43/ frank black and the catholics - dog in the sand (7.03 points) 43/ gillian welch - time (the revelator) (7.03 points) 43/ you am i - dress me slowly (7.03 points) 43/ anton barbeau - the golden boot (7.03 points) 50/ chameleons - why call it anything (7.02 points) 50/ minus five - let the war against music begin (7.02 points) 50/ sigur ros - agaetis byrjun (7.02 points) 50/ adam schmitt - demolition (7.02 points) MOST NORMAL LOUDFANS (raw) 1/ Steve Holtebeck (6.63 points) 2/ Jeff Norman (5.42 points) 3/ Jim Robson (5.11 points) 4/ Michael Mitton (5.08 points) 5/ Sue Trowbridge (5.02 points) 6/ Joe Mallon (4.92 points) 7/ John Swartzentruber (4.46 points) 8/ Mike Curley (4.08 points) 9/ Larry Tucker (3.79 points) 10/ Roger Winston (3.56 points) 11/ Bradley Skaught (3.45 points) 12/ Michael Zwirn (3.28 points) 13/ Michael Bowen (3.17 points) 14/ Dan Sallitt (3.1 points) 15/ Dan Stillwell (3.02 points) 15/ richblath (3.02 points) 17/ Chris Burns (2.99 points) 18/ Douglas Stanley (2.96 points) 19/ dc (2.81 points) 20/ Miles Goosens (2.7 points) 21/ Steven Matrick (2.67 points) 22/ R. Kevin Doyle (2.59 points) 23/ Russ Keegstra (2.54 points) 24/ Glen Sarvady (2.44 points) 25/ Jen Grover (2.33 points) 26/ ana m. (2.32 points) 27/ Michael Roeser (2.21 points) 28/ Richard Gagnon (2.18 points) 29/ dmw (1.98 points) 30/ Paula Carino (1.93 points) 31/ Elizabeth Setler (1.78 points) 32/ Bill Silvers (1.7 points) 33/ glenn mcdonald (1.64 points) 34/ Mark Kunkel (1.61 points) 35/ Dana Paoli (1.59 points) 36/ Brian Block (1.3 points) 37/ jer fairall (1.14 points) 38/ michael slawter (0.85 points) 39/ Aaron Mandel (0.66 points) 40/ Chris Prew (0.44 points) 41/ Andrew Hamlin (0.32 points) MOST NORMAL LOUDFANS (weighted) 1/ John Swartzentruber (22.28 points) 2/ Joe Mallon (16.03 points) 3/ Mike Curley (15.09 points) 4/ Sue Trowbridge (15.03 points) 5/ Steve Holtebeck (14.91 points) 6/ Jim Robson (14.32 points) 7/ Jeff Norman (13.45 points) 8/ Michael Mitton (12.6 points) 9/ Michael Zwirn (12.35 points) 10/ Dan Stillwell (11.97 points) 11/ Roger Winston (11.7 points) 12/ Douglas Stanley (10.62 points) 13/ Dan Sallitt (10.59 points) 14/ Russ Keegstra (10.2 points) 15/ dc (9.63 points) 16/ Chris Burns (9.53 points) 17/ Glen Sarvady (9.29 points) 18/ Larry Tucker (8.96 points) 19/ richblath (8.84 points) 20/ Bradley Skaught (8.73 points) 21/ ana m. (8.48 points) 22/ Michael Bowen (8.16 points) 23/ Miles Goosens (7.81 points) 24/ Steven Matrick (7.31 points) 25/ R. Kevin Doyle (6.99 points) 26/ Paula Carino (6.7 points) 27/ Richard Gagnon (5.97 points) 28/ Michael Roeser (5.8 points) 29/ Jen Grover (5.17 points) 30/ glenn mcdonald (4.77 points) 31/ Bill Silvers (4.37 points) 32/ Elizabeth Setler (4.34 points) 33/ Mark Kunkel (4.03 points) 34/ Dana Paoli (3.77 points) 35/ jer fairall (3.76 points) 36/ michael slawter (3.1 points) 37/ dmw (2.76 points) 38/ Brian Block (2.3 points) 39/ Aaron Mandel (1.82 points) 40/ Chris Prew (1.58 points) 41/ Andrew Hamlin (0.41 points) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:58:04 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 2001 poll results On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: [out of 41 voters] > MOST NORMAL LOUDFANS (raw) > 41/ Andrew Hamlin (0.32 points) > > MOST NORMAL LOUDFANS (weighted) > 41/ Andrew Hamlin (0.41 points) Why does this surprise me not at all? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::American people like their politics like Pez - small, sweet, and ::coming out of a funny plastic head. __Dennis Miller__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:03:19 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] Chat, or, RyuhrehdehfuhsumFUHT-BAWL... ...while I can probably guess what most of you are doing right about now, I feel obliged to mention that some of us may be found at irc.DAL.net #loudfans for, presumably, some time to come. Please, join us. After all, last week we found out about Topless Lawnmovers... And how "Solsbury Hill" is really about a Springsteen concert--who knew? Andy "So you're getting by, fixing the holes with a little help from your friends, but dammit, you still have days when you have to choose between toilet paper, a bean burrito, or bus fare--and soon you're entertaining thoughts of taking up drug dealing or sex work to pay the bills. Well, I have only two suggestions for you at this point. Check WITHNAIL AND I out of the library. If watching two starving actors living in London in the 1970s smearing BenGay over their bodies to keep warm doesn't make you feel slightly better, then take an honest internal inventory of what you DO have. Are all your appendages still attached? Have a handful of genuine friends who adore you the way you are? A roof over your head? Then you're certainly more fortunate than the homeless alcoholic you're darting your eyes away from en route to the library, and you should be deeply grateful for that." - --Hannah Levin, from http://www.thestranger.com/current/feature.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 00:35:23 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] Terrorists Win!! Sorry folks, the McCartney song still sucks three months later. I guess by criticizing it 'they win'. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:17:18 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why Everyone Hates West Virginia - --- Dan Stillwell wrote: > Sure, West Virginia has a bad image  clannish, > backwoodsy, > beer-swilling, tobacco-chewing trailer-trash folks > who take one bath a > week. Those people really do exist, unfortunately. > But you can also find > them in abundance in Alabama, Arkansas and > Mississippi, among others. California, too, c'mon_ yr points re: WV economy are well-taken, still, i'm curious how Virginians feel about WV, or how they felt about it in the late 19th century... couldn't have been good; or did they hate them no more than they hated any northern state? rt ===== blah blah blah Mr. Sensitive Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:26:04 +0000 From: Dan Stillwell Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why Everyone Hates West Virginia Robert Toren wrote: > > i'm curious how Virginians feel about WV, or how they felt > about it in the late 19th century... couldn't have > been good; or did they hate them no more than they > hated any northern state? There was always a dislike between the folks west of the mountains and the Tidewater/Shenandoah Valley set. That's part of reason the western counties wanted to secede. I think many current Virginians consider West Virginians as the "poor relations." In fact, it's rumored that several southeastern WV counties have asked if they can "come home" and they've been told, "Hell, no!" Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 21:26:18 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why Everyone Hates West Virginia Dan Stillwell wrote: > > Sure, West Virginia has a bad image  clannish, backwoodsy, > beer-swilling, tobacco-chewing trailer-trash folks who take one bath a > week. Those people really do exist, unfortunately. But you can also find > them in abundance in Alabama, Arkansas and Mississippi, among others. > > And those states don't produce LoudFans :) Hey, I grew up in Alabama and lived almost half of my life there. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 21:42:43 +0000 From: Dan Stillwell Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why Everyone Hates West Virginia jenny grover wrote: > > Dan Stillwell wrote: > > > > Sure, West Virginia has a bad image  clannish, backwoodsy, > > beer-swilling, tobacco-chewing trailer-trash folks who take one bath a > > week. Those people really do exist, unfortunately. But you can also find > > them in abundance in Alabama, Arkansas and Mississippi, among others. > > > > And those states don't produce LoudFans :) > > Hey, I grew up in Alabama and lived almost half of my life there. > > Jen Oops! Sorry, Jen Dan [ducking] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:52:43 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: [loud-fans] U2 Bowl Any thoughts on U2's halftime performance at the Superbowl today? I was pretty impressed that they weren't joined by any special guests, and reasonably pleased with their choice of songs. I even found the scrolling names to be moving in an early 80's U2 sort of way. Bono used to make a big deal in concerts of throwing out an Irish flag. When the fans would inevitably fight over it, he would announce "Stop... there's been enough fighting over flags." When I saw that in 85, I was moved beyond words (I was also still in high school, so that isn't really saying much). I felt a little odd seeing him wearing a flag-lined jacket and singing with all of the flags in the crowd. Times have changed, and so have U2. That all being said, I was also (and I hate to admit this) a little moved hearing "Streets Have No Names" with the scrolling list of names. On the other hand, I was a little mortified to see Sir Paul's duet with Terry Bradshaw. This was the one time I switched stations. It was just too painful. R. Kevin Doyle Honolulu, HI ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 23:14:37 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] U2 Bowl On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, R. Kevin Doyle wrote: > On the other hand, I was a little mortified to see Sir Paul's duet with > Terry Bradshaw. This was the one time I switched stations. It was just too > painful. Okay, we didn't watch the Super Bowl (we rented two movies - _Get Shorty_ and _Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai_ - instead...), but please tell me that either (a) you're joking, or (b) "Sir Paul" is some sort of cornpone comedian, and not Paul McCartney. I hear John turned to George and said, "Bloody hell: too bad that 'Paul Is Dead' crap was all a rumor." And Buddy Holly, whose anniversary they were celebrating, wondered aloud why someone couldn't have sold him an airplane ticket. I did just catch a glimpse in the news of the end of the game - sounds like it was a good one (esp. if you're a NE fan)... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. ::I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! __"raus"__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 00:34:13 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] U2 Bowl Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > but please tell me > that either (a) you're joking, or (b) "Sir Paul" is some sort of cornpone > comedian, and not Paul McCartney. I'm afraid neither is the case. I didn't watch the game either, but tried to guess when the halftime show was. I missed it, and got this awful spectacle instead. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:15:08 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Gabriel Subject: [loud-fans] Re: U2 Bowl - --- "R. Kevin Doyle" wrote: > Any thoughts on U2's halftime performance at the > Superbowl today? Like Mr. Doyle, I too was choked up watching the victims' names scroll towards heaven. The scary thing is that by the time the curtain dramatically dropped, the alphabetical listing was only on the C's. I'm skeptical of U2, but that was one of their better moments in recent memory. Bono's voice sure is trashed though... wow! Compare it to last year's halftime train wreck which featured *NSYNC, Nelly, Aerosmith, Britney (or some mini-fembot), and thousands of other "artists", all mugging for the cameras and oversouling into the 37 available mikes. Gah. And now we get to this year's monstrosity... > On the other hand, I was a little mortified to see > Sir Paul's duet with Terry Bradshaw. Appalling. All that was missing was a burning monster truck and toothless jug blower. Why didn't Paul just take a leak on a faded Sgt. Pepper album? Even Howie Long looked like he was about to cry at how far the mighty had fallen. Oh yeah, there was the football part too. The game was a great one -- the best in my lifetime (excepting when my vaunted Packers seized the rings). Like everyone else, I thought it would blow and couldn't care less about either team. I turned down a Super Bowl party, opting to stay at home and do some chores (including creating a swap CD which turned out pretty good... for a Loop B). It's always fun to see David groin-kick Golaith. Seeing how the game was better than expected, my only criticism was the crap ads this year. I can't remember one that I liked. Talkin' 'bout boredom, Jon ===== 777777777777777777777777777777 JON GABRIEL mesa, arizona usa inkling communication + design 777777777777777777777777777777 Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 23:43:21 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: U2 Bowl At 10:15 PM 2/3/02 -0800, Jon Gabriel wrote: >Seeing how the game was better than expected, my only >criticism was the crap ads this year. I can't remember >one that I liked. Well, that's what happens when the dot-com bucks aren't flowing anymore. I thought the new E-Trade ad was cute, though it can't match the conceptual purity of the original. And the Schwab ad with Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds was the first decent ad I've seen from them -- worlds better than the old Ringo/Fergie/etc. ones. And the Bud Light ad with Cedric the Entertainer ("So how much?") was pretty good, though I'm sure I'll get sick of it soon. And at least this year's Britney commercial doesn't climax (yuk yuk) with a spooging bottle. Time to start practicing my "Go Pats" grunt, Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:56:41 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Re: U2 Bowl Jon Gabriel writes: >And now we get to this year's monstrosity... >> On the other hand, I was a little mortified to see >> Sir Paul's duet with Terry Bradshaw. >Appalling. All that was missing was a burning monster >truck and toothless jug blower. Why didn't Paul just >take a leak on a faded Sgt. Pepper album? Even Howie >Long looked like he was about to cry at how far the >mighty had fallen. Well said, sir. Your color commentary here should bring the event alive for those who missed it. It really was as bad as that. >Oh yeah, there was the football part too. The game was >a great one -- the best in my lifetime (excepting when >my vaunted Packers seized the rings). Like everyone >else, I thought it would blow and couldn't care less >about either team. I, too, thought that this would be just another NFC blow out. I have been a Patriots fan my entire life and consoled myself with the knowledge that they had no business beating the Steelers last week and that I should just be happy that they made it to the Superbowl at all. In light of the beating the Patriots took from Mr. Gabriel's Packers in their last Superbowl, I decided it would be better for me to watch the game by myself, as opposed to exposing my friends to my despaired cries as the Pats inevitably were out of the game by halftime. When halftime came and they were ahead, I was giddy, but knew that New England teams traditionally fall in the last moments. I called my family to share what I assumed was a fleeting moment of joy before the proverbial hammer fell. Of course, as the Rams tied the game, I realized that I was watching an historic game; it would be the first Superbowl to go into overtime, the first Superbowl where a team came back from behind at half time to win the game. Such is the pessimism of a New England fan, that, even as I was cheering for Brady as he led the drive in the last minute and a half of the game, I knew in my heart that the field goal attempt would never happen; then that the field goal attempt would fail; then, finally, that the field goal would be somehow be voided due to some inexcusable holding penalty. When I finally realized that New England had won the game, really won the game, I was so stunned that I felt my legs go weak. I had to sit down. Oddly, the only thought that went through my head was "why does FOX always use the Christmas song 'Sleigh Bells' before each commercial. What the heck is it that they play right before the commercials? Is it "Sleigh Bells?" Anyhow, it was maybe the best Superbowl ever, and certainly the best Patriots game ever. R. Kevin Doyle Honolulu, HI ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 02:38:52 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 2001 poll results First and foremost, thanks to Aaron for running the poll this year. The one surprise I had from things not showing up was not seeing Kevin Tihista on there. After Dana turned this into the Tihista mailing list for a few weeks, I expected to at least see him make an appearance on the poll (deservedly so, IMHO). Any other surprises? - --Michael http://www.filmatters.com ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #53 ******************************