From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #52 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, February 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number 052 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] TWotEF.... [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] TWotEF.... [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] XTC update [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] TWotEF.... [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] XTC update [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? ["John Sharples"] Re: [loud-fans] XTC update ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] XTC update [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? [Stewart Mason <] [loud-fans] Re: swap the decks, mateys [Dana L Paoli ] [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare [Dan Stillwell ] [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare [Dan Stillwell ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: swap the decks, mateys [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare ["John Sharples" ] RE: [loud-fans] Re: swap the decks, mateys ["Chris Murtland" ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare [Stewart Mason > If Jonathan Richman had written "Achy Breaky Heart," all kinds of douchebags would be praising it as a rock masterpiece. And he's written a lot of songs as awful as "Achy Breaky Heart." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:44:00 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TWotEF.... On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 JRT456@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/1/02 10:39:33 PM, outdoorminer@mindspring.com writes: > > << Does anyone else think that Jonathan Richman hit an early, spectacular > peak > with THE MODERN LOVERS and then never came within a rolling hill of it > again? >> > > If Jonathan Richman had written "Achy Breaky Heart," all kinds of douchebags > would be praising it as a rock masterpiece. And he's written a lot of songs > as awful as "Achy Breaky Heart." no argument, but there's "I Like Vampire Girls" and "Dancing in a Lesbian Bar" and "Velvet Undeground," too. One well-chosen best-of could eliminate a lot of dodgy filler. I've always thought of Richman as paralleling Chilton in a weird way (not in all ways, mind you) -- but they both made one raw, direct, uncomfortably *real* record early in their careers, and then turned to permanently material that was arguably not w/o some charm, but unarguably much lighter. Went down to the seven eleven, buy me a pack of cigarettes Said I went DOWN to the seven 'leven, bought me a pack of cigarettes Now I ain't gots me no mo' money But I got smokes, so I gots no regrets - -- d. (what's that? i wasn't one of them? well, obviously. i'm sorry. but not sorry enough.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:26:31 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] XTC update On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, steve wrote: > Caroline will be releasing the XTC box and remastered albums, and other > news - While I'm excited about the rarities, several things mentioned in the article just sounded like ways to suck money out of crazed fans' pockets. Nobody who talks about having closets full of unreleased songs should ever be adding bonus tracks to reissues unless those bonus tracks are available elsewhere. a ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:49:52 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TWotEF.... when Jonathan Richman writes a song about how cool it is to drive down the highway at night listening to the radio, he's not writing about any kind of Archetypal Journey of the Everyman, he's writing about how cool it is to drive down the highway at night listening to the radio. >>>>>>>>>> Reminds me of the story in Spin's Record Guide about Shonen Knife's lead singer, when asked what the line "I like choco bars" meant: "It's about...I...like...choco bars." it's probably easier to write something interesting and profound about the Vision Quest than the trip down to Target to pick up some toilet paper and a new mop. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll still take "Tortoise Brand Pot Cleaner" over "Crazy for You." : ) - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:46:34 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] XTC update On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, steve wrote: > > > Caroline will be releasing the XTC box and remastered albums, and other > > news - > > While I'm excited about the rarities, several things mentioned in the > article just sounded like ways to suck money out of crazed fans' > pockets. Nobody who talks about having closets full of unreleased songs > should ever be adding bonus tracks to reissues unless those bonus tracks > are available elsewhere. Is there a missing "not" here? Because I'm wondering, which is more of a rip-off: (a) a box set with no unreleased material, or (b) a box set with unreleased material? I'd say (a)...but if Aaron meant what he wrote, he'd say (b). Of course, I suppose the ideal solution would be to release new compilations consisting of *only* previously unreleased tracks or versions, leaving the original albums intact (if remastered). Of course, this makes fanatics spend even more money, though: they'll buy the remastered original albums *and* the new-track-only releases. From a strictly value-based perspective, I suppose the new-only strategy is better - but since many of those unreleased tracks are alternate versions, demoes, live tracks, etc., the resulting albums would be rather a hodgepodge - and probably not as strong as the band would like. Scattering the tracks as bonuses amongst the released titles gives them the status they likely deserve: extras, bonuses - not a representative portrait of the band's music. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::American people like their politics like Pez - small, sweet, and ::coming out of a funny plastic head. __Dennis Miller__ np: Son, Ambulance _Euphemystic_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:52:33 -0500 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? They're lucky a bear didn't eat > >them. > >I would have scoffed at the bear joke a couple of decades ago, but with the >state's depopulation since 1980, a lot of things have come out of the woods >that everyone thought were gone for good. I wasn't joking. Black bears show up on my parents' front porch at least a couple of times a year. That's the front porch of their house, which is on one of the Blue Ridge Mountains, which is half in Virginia and half in West Virginia! JS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:52:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] XTC update On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > >From a strictly value-based perspective, I suppose the new-only strategy > is better - but since many of those unreleased tracks are alternate > versions, demoes, live tracks, etc., the resulting albums would be rather > a hodgepodge - and probably not as strong as the band would like. > Scattering the tracks as bonuses amongst the released titles gives them > the status they likely deserve: extras, bonuses - not a representative > portrait of the band's music. The real dodgy bit for me is the *third* release of the 2 APPLE VENUS albums, now as instrumentals. I understand that they've been hosed by record companies, but why pass the hosing on to your loyal fan base by bringing out the same material over & over again? J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:01:40 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] XTC update On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Is there a missing "not" here? Because I'm wondering, which is more of > a rip-off: (a) a box set with no unreleased material, or (b) a box set > with unreleased material? I'd say (a)...but if Aaron meant what he > wrote, he'd say (b). My reading of the article was that there were three upcoming things: a) A box set that was about half "classics" and half unreleased songs. I have no problem with this; that's often about the right proportion for the "it's like i'm hearing them for the first time!" experience. b) Reissues of all the albums, each featuring a few bonus tracks not in the box set. I object to this as willful fan-hosing. c) Instrumental versions of both Apple Venuses. This seems like a total waste of resources, but if they aren't tacking on anything more desirable to try and squeeze sales out of people who don't *care* about instrumental versions, I'm all for it. Free market and all that. a ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 12:04:01 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? At 01:52 PM 2/2/02 -0500, John Sharples wrote: >>I would have scoffed at the bear joke a couple of decades ago, but with the >>state's depopulation since 1980, a lot of things have come out of the woods >>that everyone thought were gone for good. > >I wasn't joking. Black bears show up on my parents' front porch at least a >couple of times a year. As the eastern edge of Albuquerque creeps up the side of the mountains and towards the Cibola National Forest, there's been a steady increase in instances of bears showing up and digging through people's trash and the like. And then people bitch about the bears, to which I can only reply "Then why did you move into their neighborhood, putz? They were there first." And personally, I only dislike James Taylor when he's covering old '60s soul songs. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:06:42 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Re: swap the decks, mateys (i.e., Mike makes Dana a CD/tape/whatever) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff, of course, knows full well that I don't have a tape player, but that's typical of the arrogance of those Loop 1-ers. I say Loop 2-ers unite!! Let's rise up against those Loop 1 bastards with their fancy ways and their outrageous pride. Just because we don't have "edu" in our email addresses is no reason for shame. First up against the wall is Jason Long, for his treasonous attempts to join their clan -- as if they'll ever *really* share power with you without those three magic letters. Dream your pretty dreams, Jason, as you will. After they consolidate power, you'll be fetching girl scout cookies for Jeff with the rest of us. Rise up, I say, and danger be damned! We may be in Loop 2, but we are still men and women, flesh and blood, who laugh and feel pain and dream of freedom. A moment's courage is all it takes, boys, and never again will we have to hear Jeff and his infernal cackle, "Swap the decks, swap the decks..." We attack at dawn. The watchword is "Staples." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 14:36:21 +0000 From: Dan Stillwell Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare Since the groundhog saw his shadow this morning (forecasting six more weeks of bad weather), I better climb out of my hole and enjoy the sun while it lasts. Speaking as the list's southern West Virginian who never escaped, I must say I've never seen a Blue Ridge within our borders. Not even in the Free State of McDowell (County). However I did have an uncle and aunt named Bud and Mildred, whose names I once tongue-twisted into Mud and Bildred. Some other uncles and aunts included Ott, Gaither, Hester, Effie and, sounding straight-outta-Mayberry, Floyd and Bea. Nice people, all. Effie was an awesome cook. No roadkill. One other thing  "Afternoon Delight" remains the worst goddamned song in pop music history. Dan Rosanjin Scholar np: _Aquacade_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:43:25 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare > One other thing: "Afternoon Delight" remains the worst goddamned > song in pop music history. Hey, the first piece of music I ever owned! Not chosen or purchased by me, mind you, but still. I assume you're implicitly disqualifying all Christmas music. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 14:50:06 -0500 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? I live about 45-50 straight-line miles from Mr. Sharples' oh-so-urban front door, and we get black bears and wild turkeys visiting our property all the time; in fact I have to take the bird feeder in every spring or else a bear will knock it down. MB At 01:52 PM 2/2/2002 -0500, John Sharples wrote: >They're lucky a bear didn't eat > > >them. > > > >I would have scoffed at the bear joke a couple of decades ago, but with the > >state's depopulation since 1980, a lot of things have come out of the woods > >that everyone thought were gone for good. > >I wasn't joking. Black bears show up on my parents' front porch at least a >couple of times a year. That's the front porch of their house, which is on >one of the Blue Ridge Mountains, which is half in Virginia and half in West >Virginia! > >JS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 14:53:05 -0800 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare on 2/02/02 11:43 AM, glenn mcdonald at glenn@furia.com wrote: >> One other thing: "Afternoon Delight" remains the worst goddamned >> song in pop music history. No it's not --the worst song is "Muskrat Love". Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:58:42 -0500 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TWotEF.... Stewart: >I admit that I was thinking specifically of the BORN TO RUN-era stuff and I >concede the point about "Stolen Car" and would toss in songs like >"Brilliant Disguise" and "Walk Like A Man," but I don't think he ever >completely moved away from the whole Big Statements concept. Stewart, you may think I'm foolish, for the foolish things I do. You may wonder how come I love you when you get on my nerves like you do. Well, baby, you know you bug me, there ain't no secret 'bout that. Well, come on over here and hug me, baby I'll spill the facts. Well, honey, it ain't your money, 'cause baby I got plenty of that. I love you for your pink Cadillac. Crushed velvet seats. Riding in the back. Oozing down the street. Waving to the girls. Feeling out of sight. Spending all my money on a Saturday night. Honey, I just wonder what you do there in back of your pink Cadillac. Pink Cadillac. JS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 14:59:54 +0000 From: Dan Stillwell Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare glenn mcdonald wrote: > > > One other thing: "Afternoon Delight" remains the worst goddamned > > song in pop music history. > > Hey, the first piece of music I ever owned! Not chosen or purchased by > me, mind you, but still. I'm sorry to hear that, Glenn. Fortunately you overcame that bit of adversity in your young life. My earliest musical possession, likewise a gift, was a 45 by Jimmy Rodgers called "Tucumcari." It was a western song about a cowboy, maybe a cavalry soldier, making a long journey to Tucumcari to see his fiancee. Unfortunately, he discovers she's dumped him for his best friend. I've managed to hold on to most of the 45s from my childhood, including the Kinks' awesomely-loud "All Day and All of the Night" (which Miles G. will get upon my untimely demise), but "Tucumcari" somehow got lost. > I assume you're implicitly disqualifying all Christmas music. Agreed, some of it is pretty rancid, but I'd rather listen to anything, even "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer," rather than "Afternoon Delight." BTW, my favorite ELP song is "Father Christmas," complete with a nasty twist at the end. Dan Rosanjin Scholar np: Frank Black, _Teenager of the Year_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 15:08:07 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Dan Stillwell wrote: > One other thing  "Afternoon Delight" remains the worst goddamned song > in pop music history. Worse than "Muskrat Love"? Worse than "Rock Me Amadeus"? I don't think so... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I can bellow like a clown school drill instructor:: __Brian Block__ np: Varnaline _Songs in a Northern Key_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:50:22 -0000 From: "richblath" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TWotEF.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana L Paoli" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TWotEF.... > when Jonathan Richman writes a song about how cool it > is to drive down the highway at night listening to the radio, he's not > writing about any kind of Archetypal Journey of the Everyman, he's > writing > about how cool it is to drive down the highway at night listening to the > radio. > >>>>>>>>>> > Reminds me of the story in Spin's Record Guide about Shonen Knife's lead > singer, when asked what the line "I like choco bars" meant: "It's > about...I...like...choco bars." Or to get one step closer to being on-topic TS Eliot saying about what he meant by 'Lady, I saw three white leopards sitting under an juniper tree' (or something like that) replying that that was exactly what he meant! Richard np The Church - After Everything, Now This (at last!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 15:27:55 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: swap the decks, mateys On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, replying to a post that wasn't posted to the whole list, Dana L Paoli wrote: > (i.e., Mike makes Dana a CD/tape/whatever) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Jeff, of course, knows full well that I don't have a tape player, but > that's typical of the arrogance of those Loop 1-ers. What, like there aren't guys with cardboard tables and blankets selling tape players for like ten bucks half a block away from your apartment? > I say Loop 2-ers unite!! Let's rise up against those Loop 1 bastards > with their fancy ways and their outrageous pride. Just because we don't > have "edu" in our email addresses is no reason for shame. First up > against the wall is Jason Long, for his treasonous attempts to join their > clan -- as if they'll ever *really* share power with you without those > three magic letters. See, this is why The Powers That Be made the loops come out as they did: we wanted to have a nice, friendly, sophisticated, and intelligent swap - and deconstruct the paramagnetic discourse still surrounding digital encodement of the phallogocentric "data" and its attendant thrall to the masculine gaze - and here's Dana, howling away about attacks at dawn and being both a man and a woman (and I thought was Sharples who was both a man and a woman, as of last Sunday. Must be an NYC thing). As for Jason...sorry, there was pressure to include Canadian content in both loops. Remember that scene in _The Godfather_ where Vito Corleone's nonchalantly noshing on some fruit, and suddenly he's gunned down? Let's just say: place that scene in a snow-covered wasteland, replace the fruit with Molson's, maple syrup, and some Canadian bacon, imagine Geddy Lee dancing on some bass pedals and playing a wanky synth line, and know just how lethal a properly propelled hockey puck can be...well, it was a scene I didn't want to risk becoming real. So a Canadian was in the loop, regardless of his plebeian ".ca" nondescript domain-nameness. > After they consolidate power, you'll be fetching girl scout cookies for > Jeff with the rest of us. You will? Cool! - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach":: __William Gass__ "paper clips" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 15:34:08 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] XTC update On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > b) Reissues of all the albums, each featuring a few bonus tracks not in > the box set. I object to this as willful fan-hosing. Eh. I was trying to work up a head of indignation at this...but I just couldn't manage. I probably could, if the reissues were the same old crappy sound, with lame-ass photoreduced packaging, etc. - but if they're remastered, with new notes (as promised), then those things together make it at least of some value. Whether enough to justify dropping $12 - $16 is, of course, up to each buyer. I'm probably in line... > c) Instrumental versions of both Apple Venuses. This seems like a total > waste of resources, but if they aren't tacking on anything more desirable > to try and squeeze sales out of people who don't *care* about instrumental > versions, I'm all for it. Free market and all that. I'm not sure what resources are being wasted - time, I suppose - but since these are listed as being fan-only resources, available only from the website and only on request, I suspect someone's just burning a mess of CD-Rs. I'm not sure, Joe, why this bugs ya - no one is, of course, forcing anyone to buy them, and they're not taking up any particular resource that a more legitimate release might take up, so they're perfectly ignorable by my lights. (Me, I didnt' buy either _Homespun_ or _Homebrewed_ or whatever they're called - because I already had demoes of most of those tracks, courtesy of (I think) Steve Schiavo...) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::In terms of the conjunctures of cultures, [LA is] less like a salad bowl ::and more like a TV dinner with those little aluminium barriers keeping ::all the vegetables in their places. __Catherine Ann Driscoll__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:49:59 -0500 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare JeFF, et al.: >Worse than "Muskrat Love"? Aw, c'mon, haven't we been over this before? "Muskrat Love" is far fom the worse pop song ever. The C&T cover is hard to take but the original (called "Muskrat Candlelight") is from the legendary WILLIS ALAN RAMSEY album. Now, even that version is a little precious, but there are so many songs much more deserving of "worst ever" status. Billy Joel has five all by himself: Piano Man, It's Still Rock'n'Roll To Me, Only the Good Die Young, Innocent Man, and We Didn't Start the Fire. Dan Fogelberg's Same Old Lange Syne, that's pretty bad. MAN what are you doing heeeeeeeeeeere, JS np: A CELEBRATION OF THE LIFE OF GEORGE HARRISON, Cyril Jordan & The New Moondogs (courtesy S. Holtebeck) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 15:56:22 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, John Sharples wrote: > JeFF, et al.: > > >Worse than "Muskrat Love"? > > Aw, c'mon, haven't we been over this before? "Muskrat Love" is far fom the > worse pop song ever. The C&T cover is hard to take but the original (called > "Muskrat Candlelight") is from the legendary WILLIS ALAN RAMSEY album. I'm afraid John takes criticism of songs concerning sex among small mammals *way* too personally. I just said it was in the same league as "Afternoon Delight"... > more deserving of "worst ever" status. Billy Joel has five all by himself: > Piano Man, It's Still Rock'n'Roll To Me, Only the Good Die Young, Innocent > Man, and We Didn't Start the Fire. Dan Fogelberg's Same Old Lange Syne, > that's pretty bad. Okay: immediate assent to "Same Old Lang Syne" as strong contender for Worst Song Ever. As for Mr. Joel: I can't remember "Fire" - probably just as well. I somehow don't mind "Piano Man," "Only the Good Die Young" is innocuous and forgettable enough not to contend...okay, "It's Still Rock..." is up/down there, and I'm not sure about "Innocent Man." Isn't there an Innocent Dead Child Requirement here? - -j ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:02:13 -0800 (PST) From: mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew Weber) Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare At 3:56 PM 2/2/2, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Isn't there an Innocent Dead Child Requirement here? "Dear Mr. Jesus," anyone? Matt No free people can lose their liberties while they are jealous of liberty. But the liberties of the freest people are in danger when they set up symbols of liberty as fetishes, worshiping the symbol instead of the principle it represents. Wendell Phillips, quoted by Sprading in _Liberty and the Great Libertarians_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 15:28:49 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare At 02:02 PM 2/2/02 -0800, Matthew Weber wrote: >At 3:56 PM 2/2/2, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > >>Isn't there an Innocent Dead Child Requirement here? > >"Dear Mr. Jesus," anyone? We can just stop right now. This is the clear winner. The mind boggles at the thought of a song worse than "Dear Mr. Jesus." Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:50:40 -0500 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare >We can just stop right now. This is the clear winner. The mind boggles at >the thought of a song worse than "Dear Mr. Jesus." http://mrmom.amaonline.com/special/DearMrJesus.htm has MP3, lyrics, and really cool picture of Jesus. As Leo Bloom once said, "Wow." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:09:19 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare John Sharples wrote: > > Billy Joel has five all by himself: > Piano Man, It's Still Rock'n'Roll To Me, Only the Good Die Young, Innocent > Man, and We Didn't Start the Fire. How did you manage to not include Uptown Girl, which I find far more sonically offensive than any of those mentioned above? Who is the perpetrator of this current horrible piece of offal being served up ad nauseum that I think has Kryptonite in the title? Some guy singing about "I'm more than a bird, I'm more than a man" or some such similar verbeage. I went out shopping the other day and heard it 3 times, in 3 different stores. I was about ready to start killing people. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:18:07 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare John Sharples wrote: > > >We can just stop right now. This is the clear winner. The mind boggles at > >the thought of a song worse than "Dear Mr. Jesus." > > http://mrmom.amaonline.com/special/DearMrJesus.htm > > has MP3, lyrics, and really cool picture of Jesus. > > As Leo Bloom once said, "Wow." How do you people find songs like this? Or maybe I don't want to know. Is this being played on the radio or something? Even worse than Butterfly Kisses. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 16:26:45 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare At 06:18 PM 2/2/02 -0500, jenny grover wrote: >How do you people find songs like this? Or maybe I don't want to know. >Is this being played on the radio or something? Horrifyingly, yes, or rather it was. What was it, like Christmas '87? It was on every radio station in Lubbock nearly every hour on the hour for *weeks*. Then, thankfully, I never heard it again, although you never really forget a horror like this. Children's choirs are rarely a good idea. S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:34:27 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare Stewart Mason wrote: > > Children's choirs are rarely a good idea. Granted, the kids sound pretty bad, but that guy who comes in wailing at the end--- AARRGGHH!!!! Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 16:46:43 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: swap the decks, mateys At Saturday 2/2/2002 03:27 PM -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, replying to a post that wasn't posted to the whole >list, Dana L Paoli wrote: > > > (i.e., Mike makes Dana a CD/tape/whatever) > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > Jeff, of course, knows full well that I don't have a tape player, but > > that's typical of the arrogance of those Loop 1-ers. > >What, like there aren't guys with cardboard tables and blankets selling >tape players for like ten bucks half a block away from your apartment? Okay, you guys canNOT post a small part of a private message to the entire List like this, make a thread out of it, and then not explain the context. What is this whole Loop-1/Loop-2 business? I need to get the jokes. I can't be left out of the loop, as it were. If someone else is exposing someone else's hypocrisy, I have to know about it. And none of your sarcastic made-up answers, Norman and Paoli! Groundhog Love, Later. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 15:52:04 -0800 From: ana luisa morales Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: swap the decks, mateys At 04:46 PM 02/02/2002 -0700, my hero, rog winston, wrote: >At Saturday 2/2/2002 03:27 PM -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >>On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, replying to a post that wasn't posted to the whole >>list, Dana L Paoli wrote: >> >> > (i.e., Mike makes Dana a CD/tape/whatever) >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Jeff, of course, knows full well that I don't have a tape player, but >> > that's typical of the arrogance of those Loop 1-ers. >> >>What, like there aren't guys with cardboard tables and blankets selling >>tape players for like ten bucks half a block away from your apartment? > >Okay, you guys canNOT post a small part of a private message to the entire >List like this, make a thread out of it, and then not explain the >context. What is this whole Loop-1/Loop-2 business? I need to get the >jokes. I can't be left out of the loop, as it were. If someone else is >exposing someone else's hypocrisy, I have to know about it. thank you, rog! i was so clueless and annoyed, i thought it was some more of that quercian rosicrucian psychobabble that i know many of you practice; and further, was concerned that by being privy to this coded msg, my immortal soul was headed toward eternal damnation, therefore, forcing me, once again, to unsub.... - --ana ps: it has something to do w/ those music swaps, doesn't it? * "no symmetry"**albany california usa* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:01:03 -0800 (PST) From: mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew Weber) Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: swap the decks, mateys At 3:52 PM 2/2/2, ana luisa morales wrote: >ps: >it has something to do w/ those music swaps, >doesn't it? Well, yes. That, and the worship of Satan. Shemhamforath!, Matt No free people can lose their liberties while they are jealous of liberty. But the liberties of the freest people are in danger when they set up symbols of liberty as fetishes, worshiping the symbol instead of the principle it represents. Wendell Phillips, quoted by Sprading in _Liberty and the Great Libertarians_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:31:24 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: swap the decks, mateys On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Matthew Weber wrote: > At 3:52 PM 2/2/2, ana luisa morales wrote: > > >ps: > >it has something to do w/ those music swaps, > >doesn't it? > > Well, yes. That, and the worship of Satan. maybe even something to do with the preferred media of the music swap? or just the frequency with which one participates? my first thought was of jogging around chicago, of course. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:35:19 -0500 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Re: swap the decks, mateys I thought it had something to do with freeways ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:35:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Iron XTC Mojo On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Dan Stillwell wrote: > Rosanjin Scholar I do a very (almost frighteningly) accurate impression of the Rosanjin Scholar. Even Sue agrees that it's good. > np: _Aquacade_ Leading by example. Well done, Dan. On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > > > c) Instrumental versions of both Apple Venuses. This seems like a total > > waste of resources, but if they aren't tacking on anything more desirable > > to try and squeeze sales out of people who don't *care* about instrumental > > versions, I'm all for it. Free market and all that. > > I'm not sure, Joe, why this bugs ya - no one is, of course, forcing anyone > to buy them, and they're not taking up any particular resource that a more > legitimate release might take up, so they're perfectly ignorable by my > lights. That argument holds true for all products, so indignace about anything sold is, by your logic, pointless. My issue with the *third* go-round for this product is that the band is obviously trying to milk yet another $15-30 per person out of a loyal fanbase. Far be it from me to deny anyone the privilege of buying the same album thrice. Kudos to Stewart on his article in MOJO. J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:42:45 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare In a message dated 2/2/02 6:09:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, sleeveless@citynet.net writes: > Who is the perpetrator of this current horrible piece of offal being > served up ad nauseum that I think has Kryptonite in the title? Some guy > singing about "I'm more than a bird, I'm more than a man" or some such > similar verbeage. I went out shopping the other day and heard it 3 > times, in 3 different stores. I was about ready to start killing > people. > > Can't remember the name of the guy but it's a one man band named 5 For Fighting. I am really sick of this song myself, and the others I've heard from him aren't too much better. Title, Superman (It's Not Easy). Andrea Who also hates Dear Mr. Jesus a lot more than Billy Joal, and Afternoon Delight. Although C&T's Love Will Kepp Us Together comes close, and how about anythign from Donny and Marie Osmand, or Neil Sedaka's 70's hits, or, Paul Anka (You're Having My Baby). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 17:58:10 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare At 07:42 PM 2/2/02 EST, AWeiss4338@aol.com wrote: >Who also hates Dear Mr. Jesus a lot more than Billy Joal, and Afternoon >Delight. Although C&T's Love Will Kepp Us Together comes close, and how about >anythign from Donny and Marie Osmand, or Neil Sedaka's 70's hits, or, Paul >Anka (You're Having My Baby). Well, let's not get carried away. Granted, "You're Having My Baby" only deserves to exist for its parody in the pilot of WKRP IN CINCINNATI ("Right nooooooooooooooooowwwwwwww") and Sedaka's "Bad Blood" and that terrible revision of "Breaking Up Is Hard To Do" are ghastly, but his "Laughter in the Rain" is really quite good, and I've always had a soft spot for "Love Will Keep Us Together" (which he wrote). And I can't remember any of Donny's solo singles, or any of Marie's except "Paper Roses," which is no worse than any other countrypolitan schlock from the era, but I stand behind the Osmonds' "Crazy Horses" as one of the best singles of its era. It just rocks. Stewart, who was just listening to some of the HAVE A NICE DAY discs a couple days ago NP: ATTACK OF THE GREY LANTERN--Mansun ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:42:24 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: swap the decks, mateys What is this whole Loop-1/Loop-2 business? I need to get >the >jokes. I can't be left out of the loop, as it were. If someone else >is >exposing someone else's hypocrisy, I have to know about it. > >And none of your sarcastic made-up answers, Norman and Paoli! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd tell you, but how do I know you're not a Loop-1 spy? - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 22:22:15 EST From: GlenSarvad@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] She's Heaven Perhaps it's that we both live(d) within 75 miles of Green's homebase, but I've gotta take Jeff's back on this one. Most of Green's catalog leaves me cold, but IMO this one song is a power pop gem and reason enough to keep the CD around. Joe: > (06) Green: She's Heaven > Generock w/ fey vocals. Are these the folks that did the REM EP in '89? Jeff: Yes. But "generock"?!? "Fey vocals"? Oof, yr breakin' my heart: I love this song - to me, it's just insanely gleeful despite (or because?) of its note of desperation. Oh well...cherchez la femme, pigs are the sons of gout, whatever the French phrase is. - - --Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 23:52:58 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Country Roads/Afternoon Nightmare On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, John Sharples wrote: > >We can just stop right now. This is the clear winner. The mind boggles at > >the thought of a song worse than "Dear Mr. Jesus." > > http://mrmom.amaonline.com/special/DearMrJesus.htm > > has MP3, lyrics, and really cool picture of Jesus. Could someone please tell me this is a parody...of what, I'm not sure...but just let me know it's not for real? Otherwise, I am afraid I shall never be able to ascend from this pit of existential despair it has cast me into. (Wait! I know...it's *really* a site by the *pro*-child abuse camp, intended to make people really, really want to abuse children - esp. the singer.) - -j ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 23:56:39 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: swap the decks, mateys On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Roger Winston wrote: > Okay, you guys canNOT post a small part of a private message to the entire > List like this, make a thread out of it, and then not explain the > context. What is this whole Loop-1/Loop-2 business? I need to get the > jokes. I can't be left out of the loop, as it were. If someone else is > exposing someone else's hypocrisy, I have to know about it. > And none of your sarcastic made-up answers, Norman and Paoli! Well, if you'd read Douglas Coupland, you'd understand. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ np: "Dear Mr. Jesus" ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #52 ******************************