From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #50 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, February 1 2002 Volume 02 : Number 050 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] the name game [rlewis@nethere.com (Russ Lewis)] Re: [loud-fans] Names (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] [loud-fans] Introduction... and dance! [Miles Goosens ] [loud-fans] [ns] the other Scott again (of course) [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Names ["CJ" ] [loud-fans] suburbs reissues ["CJ" ] Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? [Miles Goosens <] Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? ["John Swartzent] Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? ["Aaron Milenski] [loud-fans] Country Roads [ns, was James Taylor] [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? [Robert Toren ] Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? ["Dennis McGreev] Re: [loud-fans] TB Sheets [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? [jenny grover ] [loud-fans] TWotEF.... ["ana luisa morales" ] Re: [loud-fans] TB Sheets ["Andrew Hamlin" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 01:40:16 -0800 From: rlewis@nethere.com (Russ Lewis) Subject: [loud-fans] the name game A friend once had a coworker who taught ESL and had (I think) a Vietnamese student named Dang Dip. ("How's that Dang Dip doing in your class?") Ever tried playing the Name Game with "Jehosophat"? (Or Chuck?) "The music industry is like swimming in a toilet filled with sharks." -- Iggy Pop ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:21:14 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names (ns) [dana presents the abridged name game] But you already named them. What's left for us to do? - Dan >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, that was unclear. Sorry. I had mentally defined "try" as meaning "try to identify" but that didn't quite make it to the printed page. No need to try to name the named, and I promise not to suggest any more party games while running a 103 fever. Speaking of which, if anyone else has read Lawrence Norfolk's "In the Shape of a Boar" while *not* running a temperature, and cares to clear up a plot point or several, I'd love to not have to re-read it. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:50:43 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Introduction... and dance! Name: Miles Goosens Current location: Nashville, TN Former location: Powhatan, WV, from birth to 1988 Born: May 4, 1967 Occupation: Welcome to it. I work for a large bank in the southeastern US, doing sales tracking, computer training, and presentations for its Middle Tennessee trust department. In a former life, I was going to be a history professor, but the job market for college history professors turned historically ugly (seriously, it's been glutted and bleak for more than a decade now) at the same time that I realized that Vanderbilt was a bad, bad fit for me. Haven't looked back. Married to: Melissa, since 1988 Children: No thanks. Pets: Two cats, Aubrey (11 in February) and Cocoa (trois ans). Beard: Moustache since 1987, added full beard in 1989, reduced to moustache and goatee in mid-'90s. Vision correction: Glasses since 1978, contacts since 1997. Glasses-only for the last few months, but that's because of my dumbass (and consequently former) optometrist. Back to contacts as soon as I can afford the time and money for a new exam. Celebrity resemblance: Jon Lovitz. Lust objects: aforementioned wife, Sherilyn Fenn c. 1990, Charisma Carpenter, Gillian Anderson, the Tascam CD-RW402 . Food: spicy, hot. Celery: No. Handedness: Right. Met Janet: Not nearly enough. Met other Loud-Fans: Many. I hesitate to make a list for fear that I'd omit someone. Favorite Loud-Fan Meeting Moment: A tie between two from Janet and Andy's wedding weekend -- Janet opening our gifts for her and Andy; sitting in the twilight in J&A's back yard talking with Sue Trowbridge. First Scott music: Our college carried a college-oriented cable channel that had a daily video show. One day in 1987, they played the video for "The Real Sheila." I was very taken with the song, and made a mental note of the band's name so on our next visit to the nearest really good record store (the now-defunct Books, Strings, & Things in Blacksburg, VA, an hour's drive from Athens, WV), I'd remember to pick up something by them. It turned out to be LOLITA NATION, and I was hooked. Best concert attended: Wire, Royal Festival Hall, London, Feb. 2000 Favorite live band: Jason and the Scorchers Favorite musician right now: The Other Scott Miller (the ex-V-Roy) Most recent concert attended: Cheap Trick, Jan. 30th Other hobbies: Baseball (team: Reds. hero: Johnny Bench) Baseball gaming (APBA, Strat-O-Matic) Computer gaming (Sid Meier's Civilization, wargames, and more -- though Diablo II is currently soaking up a lot of what remains of my free time) Books (fave novel: Fielding's TOM JONES) TV (current faves: Buffy, Raymond, Alias) Movies (Coens, Gilliam, Sayles, Lynch, Egoyan, Hartley) Totally unironic love for: Pokemon Best thing about this whole thread: Where to begin? The Lurk-Fans showing themselves (and showing that it's our loss that such interesting folks don't post more)? Learning more about people I thought I already knew? The good feelings engendered by all of this? "All of the above" is probably the best answer, but I gotta admit that return or reemergence of the following voices are the reasons I'm doing a Snoopy dance: (in descending alpha order) Lorrie! Janet! Dan Stillwell! Charity! ana! Amy! I love you all, and I'm so glad that you're here again. Jen Grover, you knew not what you wrought! later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:49:14 -0400 From: John F Butland Subject: [loud-fans] Names, again Hi, Yesterday I'm scheduled for a course on disciplining trouble employees and they start up a video hosted by a guy named Dick Grip. I thought I misheard until the instructor mentioned how much she loved the guy's name. And there didn't seem to be any intentional humor in the tape. I guess this actually ties a couple of threads together, bringing us back to handedness. Also reminds me of a recent joke I heard - what's the difference between pink and purple? The answer's someplace above . Too many posts from me this week, back into the shadow's I go. best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 11:07:23 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] [ns] the other Scott again (of course) In my continuing attempt to promote The Other Scott Miller to the fans of Our Scott Miller, a number of the former Scott's upcoming live dates take him to Loud-Fan populated areas. Jeff Downing, Rog (how far is Colorado Springs from you?), the NYC crew, and Tom Krueger take special note: Feb 8, Off Broadway St. Louis MO Feb 9, Davey's Uptown Kansas City MO Feb 12, House Concert Colorado Springs CO Feb 14, Makor New York NY support to Alejandro Escovedo Feb 16, The North Star Bar Philadelphia PA support to Alejandro Escovedo Feb 22, Laurel Theater Knoxville, TN March 2, Old Town School of Folk Music Chicago IL support to Alejandro Escovedo March 22, Historic Avalon Theatre Easton MD support to Steve Forbert March 28, The Handlebar Greenville SC April 5, Southgate House Newport KY April 6, Lynagh's Lexington KY April 20, The Down Home Johnson City TN Steve Forbert's a good live performer, but Scott will mop the floor with him. The Alejandro Escovedo pairing is inspired, though not as inspired as Millerpalooza 2002 (Buddy & Julie with Scott opening). Of course, Melissa's comment after the Nashville Millerpalooza show was "Buddy and Julie are good, but I just wanted more Scott Miller!" later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:08:15 -0600 From: Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names Well, there is the NASCAR driver Lake Speed.... Maybe Lake is more common a name than it should be. I do think the aforementioned race car driver has a nicely apropos surname... Dennis said: My brother and his wife named their second child (who is male, if that is consequential in processing this) "Lake". I find this ridiculous, but kept my mouth shut, as, when I offered my opinion that their first son, Alec, should be taught at an early age to fence, so that he might live to be more than just a voice over in the sequels, this was not well received. It seems he was named, in all seriousness, after Alec *Baldwin*. Oops. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:19:14 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Gabriel Subject: [loud-fans] Re: gleanings On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Furthering the impression of my tenuous grasp of > reality, I found myself thinking, "hmmm...someone > I know just named their child Conor. Who was > that?" > Sheesh: 'twas Angel, the eponymous TV show > character, who named his freaky vampire baby thusly. We actually decided on the name Conor a few years ago. Now that my wife is expecting, we've soured a bit on the choice since it has become slightly more popular. Unfortunately we haven't come up with a better name that we can agree on (Ragnar, Cletus, Slobodan and Eero, notwithstanding). Since we're both Angel fans, we were both depressed when the protagonist named his "freaky vampire baby" Conor, almost ruling that name out for good. But my wife (curiously named Angela) searched the spoiler boards and determined that chances are that the undead infant *might* not be long for the series. If the WB agrees to a spin-off titled, "Conor, the Vampire 'Vampire-Slayer' Slayer," we may just go with Ragnar. I keep telling her that no one will mess with a boy who's name is Icelandic for "Bringer of War." Jon ===== 777777777777777777777777777777 JON GABRIEL mesa, arizona usa inkling communication + design 777777777777777777777777777777 Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:30:19 -0600 From: "CJ" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names I went to college with a woman named Sara Ann Rapp. Camp Warren, a YMCA camp near Eveleth, MN, once offered the job of director to my father, Warren Camp. Be good, CJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:31:20 -0600 From: "CJ" Subject: [loud-fans] suburbs reissues There might be a couple of you who care... CJ http://www.startribune.com/stories/457/1120191.html excerpt: How 'bout a Suburbs reunion? Three of the band's four members who live in the Twin Cities are for it. The fourth is hesitant but would go for it if the spirit is right. The key is the fifth member, co-frontman Beej Chaney, who lives in Los Angeles. "If it spiritually and physically becomes tangible, I'm 100 percent for it," he said last week. Chaney thinks he has something that could spark the feelings among the quintet of longtime but disconnected friends. Chaney has purchased the rights to reissue the Suburbs' first three albums on CD. After years of trying to maneuver his way through the legal labyrinth of the music business, Chaney said "In Combo," "Credit in Heaven" and "Love Is the Law" should be available by summer. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 14:08:49 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? At 10:51 AM 1/29/2002 -0800, ana luisa morales wrote: >At 12:26 PM 1/29/2002 -0500, Dan Sallitt wrote: > >>I've always wondered: why do people hate James Taylor so >much? > >yes, when people instead >shd be reserving their hatred for >steve miller.... > >even miles davis cdn't stand him. > >ab-ra, ab-ra ca-dabra, >--ana Oh, it's a cruel blow to see so many of my friends defend the likes of James Taylor and John Denver. I hate both of them, and always have. It's not because Lester Bangs told me to (he told me to hate Led Zep, but I never managed to do that), but because they get on my last nerve with that nature-boy sensitivity hooey, burnished to an overproduced sonic sheen. I'm not sure if they're the absolute worst singer-songwriter navel-gazing MOR-perpetuating criminals of the '70s, but they're the ones most likely to be visited upon innocent radio listeners. I hate their clothes. I hate their hairstyles. I wish Yugoslavian headgear upon them. Heck, I'd hate John Denver just for cowriting a song about my beloved/reviled home state that namechecks geographical features, such as the Blue Ridge Mountains and Shenandoah River, that aren't even *in* West Virginia. Get a map, you morons. Jason and the Scorchers do a great "Country Roads." Steve Miller is far, far better than JT or Denver. His catalog includes a clutch of instantly catchy, rockin' pop songs -- "Jet Airliner," "Jungle Love," "The Joker," "Rock'n'Me," "Swingtown"... I can't stand "Abracadabra" or "Take the Money and Run," and I'm not saying that he's great or even very good. But he'll do in a pinch. I I'll even say good things about Foreigner's singles until the horror of "I Want To Know What Love Is." Damn, "Dirty White Boy" and "Hot Blooded" rock. later, Miles "Stay away from him He'll rip your lungs out, Jim I wish he'd meet James Taylor!" - - Warren Zevon, frequent live emendation to "Werewolves of London" "I said, 'I must be better than James Taylor!' They said, 'yes,' and I asked for my quarter back They gave me Johnny Unitas" - - R. Stevie Moore, "New Talent Needed All the Time" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:16:29 -0500 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 14:08:49 -0600, Miles Goosens wrote: >Heck, I'd hate John Denver just for cowriting a song about my >beloved/reviled home state that namechecks geographical features, such as >the Blue Ridge Mountains and Shenandoah River, that aren't even *in* West >Virginia. Get a map, you morons. You've got it wrong. He wrote a song about the western part of my current state. How can it possibly be about West Virginia? The Blue Ridge Mountains and Shenandoah river are over here (and I'm only about half an hour from your beloved/reviled home state). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:25:35 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? >Steve Miller is far, far better than JT or Denver. His catalog includes a >clutch of instantly catchy, rockin' pop songs -- "Jet Airliner," "Jungle >Love," "The Joker," "Rock'n'Me," "Swingtown"... I can't stand >"Abracadabra" or "Take the Money and Run," and I'm not saying that he's >great or even very good. But he'll do in a pinch. I I think that the discussion of Steve Miller should go beyone his 70s hits. His first two albums, espeically SAILOR, are still two of the best to come from the San Fran hippie scene, and bear very litttle resemblance to the much simpler, more blatantly commerial work he did in the 70s. I can't find any defense for Foreigner ("Hot Blooded" is hooky enough, but have you listened to teh lyrics lately?), but while we're talking bands worthy of hate, how 'bout Journey and Styx? Maybe they haven't remained as popular to this day as James Taylor, but the adoration of them by the kids at my high school was way, way, more annoying than anything I've seen from James Taylor fans. Aaron, wondering who will be the Journey of the 00s _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 14:35:37 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Country Roads [ns, was James Taylor] At 03:16 PM 2/1/2002 -0500, John Swartzentruber wrote: >On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 14:08:49 -0600, Miles Goosens wrote: > >>Heck, I'd hate John Denver just for cowriting a song about my >>beloved/reviled home state that namechecks geographical features, such as >>the Blue Ridge Mountains and Shenandoah River, that aren't even *in* West >>Virginia. Get a map, you morons. > >You've got it wrong. He wrote a song about the western part of my >current state. How can it possibly be about West Virginia? The Blue >Ridge Mountains and Shenandoah river are over here (and I'm only about >half an hour from your beloved/reviled home state). Hee hee -- isn't that sort of my point? :-) Takingiwhat you say pedantically, It could be that the singer is waxing rhapsodic about the entire region (isn't it being promoted as "The Middle Appalachians" now?). Almost heaven West Virginia Blue Ridge Mountains, Shenandoah River Life is old there, older than the trees Younger than the mountains, blowin' like a breeze The phrasing admits of some uncertaintly -- West Virginia could simply be the *first* in a list of things in the singer's home *area,* sure. However, (1) the song really doesn't seem to be smart enough to go that route, and (2) West Virginia is mentioned a zillion more times ("West Virginia, mountain momma" in the choruses, etc.), while other states in the "Middle Appalachians" (Virginia, Pennsylvania, Kentucky) don't get a shout-out at all. Sure sounds and reads like a song about West Virginia to me. And to West Virginia's state legislature, which made it one of the official state songs, despite the geographical liberties taken by Denver/Danoff/Nivert. later, Miles native of West Virginia, the state that pioneered "eat your own roadkill" legislation ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:23:24 -0800 From: "Brandon J. Carder" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? > Aaron, wondering who will be the Journey of the 00s What are you talking about? JOURNEY are the Journey of the 00s! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:47:06 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] TB Sheets Looking at the Van Morrison listings at CD Now, there are about half a dozen CDs out with every song from TB Sheets (He Ain't Give You None, Ro Ro Rosey, etc) on them, being sold under different CD titles, some as recently as 2000! What accounts for the numerous repackagings of these songs? Did he fail to secure the copyright on them, so that everybody can release a CD with those songs on them? Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:04:00 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? > James Taylor and John Denver. I hate both of them, > and always have. because they get on > my last nerve with that nature-boy sensitivity >hooey, burnished to an >the absolute worst singer-songwriter >navel-gazing MOR-perpetuating criminals of the '70s, >I hate their clothes. I hate their hairstyles. don't sugar coat it, Miles how do you really feel? > Heck, I'd hate John Denver just for cowriting a song > about my > beloved/reviled home state that namechecks > geographical features, such as > the Blue Ridge Mountains and Shenandoah River, that > aren't even *in* West > Virginia. Get a map, you morons. you sure about that? i grew up in West Virginia, and i remember talk about the WV blue ridge mountains_ maybe not the 'official' title? technically, i like Taylor and Denver, but i would never intentionally listen to either robert ===== blah blah blah Mr. Sensitive Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:10:12 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? In a message dated 2/1/02 12:26:11 PM, amilenski@hotmail.com writes: << I think that the discussion of Steve Miller should go beyone his 70s hits. His first two albums, espeically SAILOR, are still two of the best to come from the San Fran hippie scene, and bear very litttle resemblance to the much simpler, more blatantly commerial work he did in the 70s. >> Miller's concerts in the mid-to-late '80s were notable as a gathering place for grunge figures. I have no real opinion on Miller, but it's nice to further dispute the myth that punk spawned the genre. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:12:16 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? > > Heck, I'd hate John Denver just for cowriting a song > > about my > > beloved/reviled home state that namechecks > > geographical features, such as > > the Blue Ridge Mountains and Shenandoah River, that > > aren't even *in* West > > Virginia. Get a map, you morons. > > you sure about that? i grew up in West Virginia, and >i remember talk about the WV blue ridge mountains_ >maybe not the 'official' title? Denver said that he'd never been to WV. He just thought it was a good state to use in the song. Aaron, noting that the Standells weren't from Boston _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:30:00 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? At 03:25 PM 2/1/2002 -0500, Aaron Milenski wrote: >I think that the discussion of Steve Miller should go beyone his 70s hits. >His first two albums, espeically SAILOR, are still two of the best to come >from the San Fran hippie scene, and bear very litttle resemblance to the >much simpler, more blatantly commerial work he did in the 70s. I never picked those up, even when I was 10 or 11 and thought that Steve Miller was really, really cool. I only got as far back as THE JOKER. I'd want to sample them before buying. Steve Miller-related anecdote: the first time I saw Richard Thompson was at a gig at the Mean Fiddler in London in August 1987. There was no opening act, but the Fiddler played a video (visible on the bar TVs and piped through the PA) of the Steve Miller Band live on the Abracadabra tour. Not that I would have been into a great Steve Miller performance, especially while anticipating seeing RT, but this was a deadly dull performance. When the pub cut off the video just before the RT Band took the stage, a chorus of boos erupted from the crowd! These weren't ironic "boos" either. A lot of the crowd looked pretty Thompson hardcore, sporting grizzled beards and Fairport Convention t-shirts, i.e., people you *wouldn't* think would be all into a mediocre mid-'80s Steve Miller performance. Still haven't figured this out after fourteen years of pondering. Millerpalooza 2002 featured Scott coming out during the encores to join Buddy and Julie on a raucous Roger Miller song ("You Don't Want My Love," I think). Songs by Steve Miller and the MoB Roger Miller were not essayed, unfortunately. >I can't find any defense for Foreigner ("Hot Blooded" is hooky enough, but >have you listened to teh lyrics lately?), It's a Big Dumb Sex song, and what's more, it's an "I'm a Rock Star Who Gets Automatic Big Dumb Sex" song, sure. But I like it. Ah, if the Jason & the Scorchers list could see me now -- they think I'm the ivory tower pointy-headed intellekchewal ever since I made fun of them for waxing rhapsodic over the new Cult album. > but while we're talking bands >worthy of hate, how 'bout Journey and Styx? Maybe they haven't remained as >popular to this day as James Taylor, but the adoration of them by the kids >at my high school was way, way, more annoying than anything I've seen from >James Taylor fans. Styx adoration had sort of faded at my junior high sometime after PIECES OF EIGHT. "Mr. Roboto" and "Too Much Time on My Hands" (another song by a mediocre '70s artist that I think is just brilliant and deserves to be covered by someone cool) brought something of a resurgence, but nothing like I remembered before. Maybe "Babe" shifted the audience from teen boys to teen girls, giving Tommy Shaw and Dennis DeYoung the girly-man stigma. My male friends and I had already gone over to *real* hard rock (AC/DC, Priest, Sabbath/Ozzy) by then. But Journey... God, I hate Journey much more than I can ever hate James Taylor. Reading over those year-by-year popular names list brings it all back to me in horribly vivid detail. Hordes of Lisas (#1 female given name for babies born in 1962-69, top ten through 1976), Debbies, and Kims wearing Journey baseball-sleeve t-shirts, playing ESCAPE over and over, forcing their boyfriends to miss Rush and Van Halen shows so they can see JURRRRRR-NEEEEEEEEE! James Taylor's crimes are grave, but far lesser. Apologies to any Loud-Fan Lisas, Debbies, and Kims. But not to Steve Perry. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:35:33 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? Miles says it all: >But Journey... God, I hate Journey much more than I can ever hate James >Taylor. Reading over those year-by-year popular names list brings it all >back to me in horribly vivid detail. Hordes of Lisas (#1 female given name >for babies born in 1962-69, top ten through 1976), Debbies, and Kims >wearing Journey baseball-sleeve t-shirts, playing ESCAPE over and over, >forcing their boyfriends to miss Rush and Van Halen shows so they can see >JURRRRRR-NEEEEEEEEE! James Taylor's crimes are grave, but far lesser. > >Apologies to any Loud-Fan Lisas, Debbies, and Kims. But not to Steve >Perry. I have to say that the funniest moment ever on Beavis and Butthead was when they played the video for Journey's "Separate Ways." Perry was emoting to the extreme, looking foolish as can be, and Butthead turned to Beavis and rather than saying "this sucks" said "this is horrible!" That's the gravest insult he ever gave! He then went on to say "if this video was a turd, it'd be the same thing," but his point had already been made. Aaron, whose high school was full of Lisas, Debbies, and Kims. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:34:50 -0800 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: [loud-fans] Catching up re ELP: I'm in much the same position as jeFFrey. My big three in high school were ELP, Mike Oldfield, and Tangerine Dream. I still like the latter two quite a bit (at least their 70s output), but I can't hang with ELP anymore. Except maybe their version of "Jerusalem", which their particular flavor of bombast suits well. re James Taylor: the singer half of "singer/songwriter" is where he falls down, I think. It's most obvious in "May You Never". The song is basically a lullaby for (male) adults, which you would expect Taylor to handle fairly well; but John Martyn's (original?) version is genuinely comforting while Taylor's version is merely--there's no other word--wimpy. Likewise, his version of "Handyman" desperately needs more innuendo. "Sweet Baby James" and "Fire and Rain" are good songs, maybe even excellent songs, but imagine how much better they would sound with Emmy Lou Harris and Nick Drake, respectively, singing them. I'm sure that, if pressed, I could name a decent John Denver song or two, but what leap to mind instead are atrocities such as "Grandma's Feather Bed", "Thank God I'm A Country Boy", "Zachary and Jennifer"... I have to stop now. The MOR 70s s/s that I really like is, believe it or not, Gordon Lightfoot (although I won't defend "The Wreck of the Endless Hit Single", nor the fact that his greatest hits albums are all rerecordings). I was listening to a homemade best-of while packing the other night and digging it quite a bit. "Oh the wind it came up and the ship it went down And they all drowned like rats in the water!" - --the Five-Second "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" re names: I used to work in a personnel department, and came across lots of unusual names, most of which I have forgotten, except: - --Nebuchadnezzar Jones - --Major General Washington - --a guy named Curtis who named his children Curtis Jr., Curt, Curtessa, and Curtessina Despite the occasional infelicity, I favor creativity in naming children. Just not whimsy or utter lameness, 'kay? I've been told that in some European countries the list of acceptable names is prescribed by law; that strikes me as deeply wrong. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:46:33 -0800 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? >Not that I would have been into a great Steve Miller performance, >especially while anticipating seeing RT, but this was a deadly dull >performance. When the pub cut off the video just before the RT Band took >the stage, a chorus of boos erupted from the crowd! I had the misfortune of seeing Miller at the Montreux Jazz Festival in 1982. He was a last-minute substitution for Laurie Anderson, on the bill with Talking Heads. No, I don't think any of these people are jazz either. Anyway, the band was deader than a smelt, and the only enjoyable moment was when he pulled out the Danelectro Electric Sitar for "Wild Mountain Honey." OK, fine, whatever--but what shocked me was how many people left after his set. The Heads were amazing, by the way, in the style of the second disc of "The Name of This Band Is..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 14:47:55 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Catching up At 01:34 PM 2/1/02 -0800, Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: >I'm sure that, if pressed, I could name a decent John Denver song or two, but >what leap to mind instead are atrocities such as "Grandma's Feather Bed", "Thank >God I'm A Country Boy", "Zachary and Jennifer"... I have to stop now. The first concert I ever went to was when my sister dragged me and my brother to see John Denver at McNichols Arena when I was in the fourth grade. Reagan and I both feel about the same way about ol' JD now: we would never actually listen to any of his records, but live, he was actually a really engaging, friendly and, dare I say it, commanding figure. The guy could work a room, and you have to admire that. >"Oh the wind it came up and the ship it went down >And they all drowned like rats in the water!" > >--the Five-Second "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" The comedian Richard Jeni used to have a routine about how if you put this single on, it would automatically end any party, and it was therefore of use to get people the hell out of your house. His version: And a wave hit the boat and they all drowned like rats And they lay there as their lungs filled with wa-TERRRRRRRRRRR And back on the shore, their wives had no insurance And their children turned to drugs and prostitu-SHUUUUUNNNNNN S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:05:35 -0600 From: "Dennis McGreevy" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? Miles waxes rhapsodic: JURRRRRR-NEEEEEEEEE! <><><><><><><><> The two or three songs where they let Greg Rolie sing ain't bad. But then I've always thought he was the real talent on the first couple Santana albums, too. The real problem with Journey, Styx, REO Speedwagon, etc., was not that they all totally sucked. Each had early work that had redeeming qualities. But each also later did everything in their earthly power to pave the way for the coming of Night Ranger, and that is simply inexcusable. - --D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:00:37 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TB Sheets At 08:47 PM 2/1/02 +0000, O Geier wrote: >Looking at the Van Morrison listings at CD Now, there are about half a >dozen CDs out with every song from TB Sheets (He Ain't Give You None, Ro >Ro Rosey, etc) on them, being sold under different CD titles, some >as recently as 2000! What accounts for the numerous repackagings of these >songs? Did he fail to secure the copyright on them, so that everybody >can release a CD with those songs on them? It's probably more like whoever owns the masters to Van's Bang Records tenure -- I don't know who that is, but it isn't Van -- will license them to anyone who asks. Given that to the average person, Van Morrison is the guy who did "Brown-Eyed Girl" and nothing else, I imagine that it's more lucrative to own the masters for the year or so he was signed to Bang than for his entire tenure at Warner Brothers. As far as I know, the disc called THE BANG MASTERS on CBS Legacy is pretty much definitive. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:49:54 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why do people hate James Taylor so much? Aaron Milenski wrote: > > Aaron, noting that the Standells weren't from Boston And the Bee Gees aren't from New York (which didn't have a mining disaster in 1941) or Massachusetts. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:01:54 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Country Roads [ns, was James Taylor] >>Sure sounds and reads like a song about West Virginia to >me. And to West Virginia's state legislature, which made it one of the >official state songs, despite the geographical liberties taken by >Denver/Danoff/Nivert. I guess Denver grabbed co-writing credit after all, but from what I understand the song started out as a collaboration between Bill Danoff and his then-wife Taffy Nivert; they lived in Washington D.C., which may (or may not) explain the song's geographical vagueness. Pop quiz: Danoff and Nivert were half of what band, which had a hit with what universally-reviled (except by me of course) soft-rock sensation? I usually tell people hatin' on Journey to read "Smells Like Steve Perry"--and now, thanks to the Wayback Machine, I can anew! Go to www.archive.org and enter: www.jetcity.com/~zapruder/smells.htm One of the finer pieces of rock writing I've ever stumbled upon (you've been warned, I guess), Andy "Clinique Happy" - --a perfume ad seen this afternoon at University Book Store ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:09:53 -0800 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Country Roads [ns, was James Taylor] At 03:01 PM 2/1/02 -0800, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > >>Sure sounds and reads like a song about West Virginia to > >me. And to West Virginia's state legislature, which made it one of the > >official state songs, despite the geographical liberties taken by > >Denver/Danoff/Nivert. > > >I guess Denver grabbed co-writing credit after all, but from what I >understand the song started out as a collaboration between Bill Danoff and >his then-wife Taffy Nivert; they lived in Washington D.C., which may (or may >not) explain the song's geographical vagueness. > >Pop quiz: Danoff and Nivert were half of what band, which had a hit with >what universally-reviled (except by me of course) soft-rock sensation? I'm guessing the Starland Vocal Band, whose "Afternoon Delight" has come closer than any pop song to putting me off sex entirely. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the Lord's passover. For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord. _The Holy Bible: The Old Testament_, The Second Book of Moses, Called Exodus, chapter 12, verses 11-12 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:10:30 -0800 From: "ana luisa morales" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Country Roads [ns, was James Taylor] *"no symmetry"**albany california u.s.a.* >--- Original Message --- >From: "Andrew Hamlin" >Pop quiz: Danoff and Nivert were half of what band, which >had a hit with what universally-reviled (except by me of >course) soft-rock sensation? starland vocal band, "afternoon delight".... (now what'd i win?) - --ana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:16:20 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Catching up Stewart, following Tim: > >"Oh the wind it came up and the ship it went down >>And they all drowned like rats in the water!" >> >>--the Five-Second "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" > >The comedian Richard Jeni used to have a routine about how if you put this >single on, it would automatically end any party, and it was therefore of >use to get people the hell out of your house. His version: > >And a wave hit the boat and they all drowned like rats >And they lay there as their lungs filled with wa-TERRRRRRRRRRR >And back on the shore, their wives had no insurance >And their children turned to drugs and prostitu-SHUUUUUNNNNNN Is that what people hate about that song--the subject matter? I guess it's a good thing THE PERFECT STORM wasn't a song. I'm not defending the song henceforth to be known as TWoTEF (I'm very mildly positive on it; I wouldn't buy it, but I wouldn't turn off the radio if it came on and I hadn't heard it in the last couple of months), but the parodies above seem to mock it by exaggerating its bluntness, which is one of the things I like about it. People sometimes die senselessly, and one of ways we respond to it is to talk and sing about it. What is it artistically about the song that sucks? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:26:53 -0800 From: "ana luisa morales" Subject: [loud-fans] TWotEF.... *"no symmetry"**albany california u.s.a.* >--- Original Message --- >From: John Cooper >What is it artistically about the song that >sucks? my opinion, and mine only: it's boring, and way too long.... (has nuthin' to do w/ the subj matter.) i remembered this story earlier when tim and stewart posted, but when i was taking a theory course as an undergrad, my prof asked which musical form was exemplified by sd TWotEF-- i of course immediately shot off, "monotony". my answer stills stands. unapologetically, - --ana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:28:03 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TB Sheets >It's probably more like whoever owns the masters to Van's Bang Records >tenure -- I don't know who that is, but it isn't Van -- will license them >to anyone who asks. Yes, I've long figured that the Bang doyens, whoever that is/was, directly pockets the lucre from these endless repackagings. Didn't Neil Diamond record for Bang as well? Does his stuff get this same treatment? Given that to the average person, Van Morrison is the >guy who did "Brown-Eyed Girl" and nothing else, I imagine that it's more >lucrative to own the masters for the year or so he was signed to Bang than >for his entire tenure at Warner Brothers. Not so sure about that. I've seen ASTRAL WEEKS and MOONDANCE, at least, in more record collections than I can count. >As far as I know, the disc called THE BANG MASTERS on CBS Legacy is pretty >much definitive. I wouldn't quite go that far. You get the (an?) alternate take of "Brown-Eyed Girl"--mother lode for some--and everything, I think, from BLOWIN' YOUR MIND!, Van's one and only "real" album for the label. Oh, and early renditions of "Madame George" and "Beside You," which turned up vastly-reworked on ASTRAL WEEKS, my Number Two Album Of All Time. I don't see, though, the alternate versions of five of MIND's eight cuts, featured on the 1998 (long-overdue) CD reissue of MIND itself. Joe Harper Sunday Morning (for now I'm woke up and turned back to myself), Andy "Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day." - --Samuel Goldwyn ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #50 ******************************