From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #47 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, January 31 2002 Volume 02 : Number 047 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [loud-fans] Names [timv@triad.rr.com] Re: [loud-fans] Names [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Names [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Names ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] Names ["amy b. lewis" ] [loud-fans] Names [John F Butland ] RE: [loud-fans] Names ["R. Kevin Doyle" ] Re: [loud-fans] Names [Carolyn Dorsey ] [loud-fans] taylor, madison, et al. ["amy b. lewis" ] [loud-fans] Re: Jerkin' the tears [Steve Holtebeck ] [loud-fans] oss-WEE-pay ["Brian Block" ] Re: [loud-fans] Nick's Trip [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Names [mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew Weber)] Re: [loud-fans] Names [jenny grover ] RE: [loud-fans] Names ["glenn mcdonald" ] RE: [loud-fans] Names [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Names [John Cooper ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Jerkin' the tears [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Names [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Names [Jer Fairall ] RE: [loud-fans] Names [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Two-Lane Blacktop [timv@triad.rr.com] Re: [loud-fans] Names [Robert Toren ] RE: [loud-fans] Names ["glenn mcdonald" ] RE: [loud-fans] Names [timv@triad.rr.com] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Jerkin' the tears [timv@triad.rr.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:55:57 -0500 From: timv@triad.rr.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names On 30 Jan 2002, at 18:14, Chris Murtland wrote: > Actually, Destiny seems to be a pretty popular name at the strip > joints, or so I've been told. Yeah, right... And all I know about it what I've heard the other guys say too. Actually my guess would be that those 20-ish women pick their stage-names in the same way that they would name newly-born daughters. Same for "Madison', "Savannah", "Taylor", "Tiffany", etc. in their day. We hear of them first because they hatch fully- grown, so to speak. Reminded of a linebacker named "Monsanto" and a track athlete named "Chinette"... Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:07:27 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names At 02:58 PM 1/30/02 -0500, Aaron Milenski wrote: >This smacks of the urban legend of the foreign (always unspecified where >they're from) family who named their baby girl Shithead, pronounced >shi-theed. Sadly, I know of a similarly lame construction of a name, with verification. My best friend's sister is named Chalynn. That's the compromise. Her mother wanted to name her Michelin. Sadly, she wasn't kidding. Stewart, whose sister Dawn's first name is, erm, Birdie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:38:35 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names My folks named me Andrea because it wasn't the most popular name in 1963. How times change, everyone is named Andrea these day, it seems, which I find funny and so does my mom. Although it does get a bit much when you have three other Andrea Weiss's that are all gay, and all have published books (Paris Was A Woman for one, and From Vampires To Voilets, lesbians in film, and Before Stonewall, which was also a film) and you are asked, 'are you the Andrea Weiss that wrote...;-). Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:15:32 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names I used to wash dishes with a guy named Don Honn. No prizes for guessing his brother's name! Or should I have a prize? Yes, I'll always cherish glenn telling me the tale of Fhe-TEED oss-OULE. (But what was the bit about "Mr. Brown Shoes"?) Some of which brings to mind this immortal page--for those that haven't already seen it: http://www.explicon.se/pages/avigsidan/airport/ "Mansaaaaaaaanto, run innnnn to meeeeee..." Andee "shit i was just beating off to some lesbian porn on my comp, i thought my mom was gone, but i had the volume a little too loud and didnt hear her come in, and the phoen rang, an di went to get it with my dick in my hadn and she saw me and was like 'ahhh' and i was like OH FUCK , dude this sucks, she just like ran to her room and now i dont know what the fuck to do." - --from http://www.isonews.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44354 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:20:25 -0500 From: "amy b. lewis" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names folks i've known with interesting names: bill dill dick lidz i would like to name my firstborn boy: gerund. amy(persand) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:13:51 -0400 From: John F Butland Subject: [loud-fans] Names OK, let's see. Worked with a woman named Shyanne, who was usually called Shy and was anything but. I knew her for a year before I discovered her name wasn't spelled Cheyenne Went to school with Ronald McDonald. My Dad had an assistant named John Jones who had a wife named Joan Jones. I have a god-daughter named Bayli. Only took me a week to realize it wasn't spelled Bailey, but was disappointed to find out she wasn't named after Bailey Quarters. Bayli (14 months) is cuter than Bailey - hell, who am I kidding, she's the cutest little girl in the world, and I'd say that even if I wasn't her favorite non-parental person in the universe. Jeez, this makes three posts in a single week for me. best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:18:00 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names Well, while we're at it, my high school friend Jeff Butts' dads name was Harry. This was a real name. What follows is my high school's urban legend, dull though it may be. Apparently, Harry's grandfather was Harold Buttowski, who's name was Americanized to "Butts." Obviously, he was named after his grandfather. Legends has it that Harry's folks were completely aware of what they were doing, but felt that they owed the Grandfather a namesake. R. Kevin Doyle Honolulu, HI ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:18:54 -0800 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names I wish names like Kathy or Mary or John would become more popular. One friend of mine named her son John and her daughter Mary. She said no kids at their schools had those names, that they were not popular names. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:36:40 -0500 From: "amy b. lewis" Subject: [loud-fans] taylor, madison, et al. my theory about the fairly recent popularity of these names for x-chromosome-bearing children is that they don't have a traditionally feminine, girly-sounding, diminutive connotation: no "ee" sound at the end, for example or it could be based on tv and movies. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:44:38 -0800 From: ana luisa morales Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names At 04:18 PM 01/30/2002 -1000, r. kevin doyle wrote: >Well, while we're at it, my high school friend Jeff Butts' dads name was >Harry. i had a high school classmate who claimed to have a great aunt ophelia athol. which may have been true, who knows..... - --ana ana bo bana * "no symmetry"**albany california usa* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:26:43 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Jerkin' the tears Chris Murtland wrote: > I am on the Committee to Immortalize John Denver In The Annals Of > Pop Music, so just send me three stamps if you'd like a welcome kit. > > I think it's true that some artists could gain merit once they are > divorced from their cultural climate. I'm afraid Mark Kozelek beat you to it. Anyone who's listened to the 4AD John Denver tribute that Kozelek put together has to admit that the guy wrote a few pretty decent songs. "Leavin' On A Jet Plane" for one. Has anyone heard Downy Mildew's cover of "Jet Plane" melded/mixed with the Velvets' "Sunday Morning"? (which isn't on the 4AD tribute, unfortunately). The difficulty of divorcing oneself from all the Muppets/Oh God cultural baggage is the only reason why open-minded loud-fans who can accept James Taylor, the Carpenters, Cat Stevens, even ELP can only make non-musical "good muppet/poor pilot" jokes when John Denver's name comes up in the discussion. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 05:51:56 From: "Brian Block" Subject: [loud-fans] oss-WEE-pay glenn: >>>>A couple of my friends in college amused themselves, while drunk and/or >>>>bored, by calling the Hair Club for Men and having brochures sent to >>>>themselves under fake names. The game was to see how offensive a written >>>>name you could get them to print on an envelope by making it sound >>>>plausible when it was said aloud. The grand-prize winner was pronounced >>>>COAL-a-SAUL oss-WEE-pay, and written Colossal Asswipe. >>>> It does sound like fun. But speaking as a longtime Customer Service Rep who does, in fact, pay attention to callers, i gotta say that the implied fun of the game -- "making it sound plausible" -- has nothing to do with the results. If i'd been at the phone, i'd've sent Mr. Asswipe his brochure without comment. That's because (1) there's no motivation not to (i wouldn't pay for the envelope or personally fill it out), and (2) i'm being monitored. If i make some alert-sounding skeptical comment, and you insist vigourously and angrily that i am completely unprofessional to make fun of your name, then my monitor -- while probably laughing -- has to side against me with you the customer. Technically, no matter unlikely, you _could_ be Mr. oss-WEE-pay, seeking to use our product. It's not my job to alienate you. It's only my job to make fun of you over break. thank you for calling the Hair Club For Men automated human line, -Brian _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:53:03 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Nick's Trip On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Elizabeth Setler wrote: > > Pelecanos did a fairly excellent interview with legendary Scott > Miller roommate Steve Wynn in... um... I think it was Amplifier, a > few months back. They've got a mutual admiration society going, it > seems. _Magnet_. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"Shut up, you truculent lout, and let the cute little pixie sing!":: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:58:23 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names Okay, I am not making any of this up (not that I was making up the Vagina story either, but I suppose it's possible my mom's acquaintance lied about that one). There was a well-known local politician here named Peter Beater, and the police chief is Capt. Nimmo. My mom went to school with Peter Dick Crumpecker and knew a Dr. Uckfus who was a gynecologist (not from Huntinton, they were in Detroit). I have a female neighbor named Cecil (her mom wanted a boy and refused to choose another name for her), and also have known women named Ray and Greg. One thing I've noticed about the South, at least in past generations, is an affinity for gemstone names- Opal, Pearl, Ruby, and Crystal. I've also known a Summer, a May, an April, and I had a second cousin June. I knew a woman named Lettye whose sister was Nettye (pronounced Lettie and Nettie), and went to school with a boy named Plyler. A friend's brother's girlfriend is named Kchris, but apparently she started spelling it that way herself just to be different. On the baseball front, I think two of the funniest names are Dick Pole and Kent Biggerstaff. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:02:44 -0800 (PST) From: mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew Weber) Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names At 12:58 AM 1/31/2, jenny grover wrote: >Okay, I am not making any of this up (not that I was making up the >Vagina story either, but I suppose it's possible my mom's acquaintance >lied about that one). There was a well-known local politician here >named Peter Beater, and the police chief is Capt. Nimmo. My mom went to >school with Peter Dick Crumpecker and knew a Dr. Uckfus who was a >gynecologist (not from Huntinton, they were in Detroit). I have a >female neighbor named Cecil (her mom wanted a boy and refused to choose >another name for her), and also have known women named Ray and Greg. >One thing I've noticed about the South, at least in past generations, is >an affinity for gemstone names- Opal, Pearl, Ruby, and Crystal. I've >also known a Summer, a May, an April, and I had a second cousin June. I >knew a woman named Lettye whose sister was Nettye (pronounced Lettie and >Nettie), and went to school with a boy named Plyler. A friend's >brother's girlfriend is named Kchris, but apparently she started >spelling it that way herself just to be different. On the baseball >front, I think two of the funniest names are Dick Pole and Kent >Biggerstaff. My mother used to work for a man named Dick Hollopeter. And when I was a kid, there existed somewhere between Dayton, OH and Richmond, IN on US Route 40 (or maybe it was I-70), a huge lot full of RVs, vans, and camper trailers for sale, owned by a cheerful fellow named Tom Raper. Matt The liberty of the individual must be thus far limited: he must not make himself a nuisance to other people. John Stuart Mill, _On Liberty_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:07:19 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names Oh, and I forgot this one- my parents' postman's wife was Mary Christmas. You know, I was never very fond of my name, but it's starting to sound better all the time. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:08:18 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names > Dick Pole and Kent Biggerstaff. You can't do a lot better than Bruce Cockburn. Unless you were my one-time downstairs neighbor Richard Payne, a hard-of-hearing poet with no short-term memory who insisted on introducing himself to me, every time I ran into him in the lobby, by striding purposefully forward with one meaty hand extended, barking "Dick Payne" at mailbox-rattling volume. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:13:49 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 timv@triad.rr.com wrote: > Reminded of a linebacker named "Monsanto" and a track athlete > named "Chinette"... Time for my frequent expression of joy at the hockey player surnamed "Satan" - and my fervent wish for more Hispanic hockey players, so that, some time, some game, there can be a Jesus/Satan face-off. There's a race car driver named Dick Trickle. I just saw a bit in the daily paper about a couple named Renee and Robin. One's male, the other female - but it's not the way you'd guess. I'm sure they're used to confusion... Oh - and re Matt's "Tom Raper" thing: he's still around (or at least, his RV dealership is), and he's incredibly persistent in billboarding seemingly the entire western half of Indiana. Compensatory, is my theory: with a name like that, the only way to overcome its shame and embarrassment is to plaster it all over the entire state of Indiana. And of course, there was the famous music critic, Alfred Frankenstein - a whole 'nother topic, really, of otherwise normal names that, through literature or other forms of public fame/infamy, have become notable. I had a student two or three years ago whose surname was Dahmer (recall which city I'm in - makes it worse). (Pity poor Otto Hitler, say...or all those guys named Judas when the biblical story started getting around. Or some poor soul who, just liking the name, decided, in the predawn hours of September 11, to name her son "Osama"...) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing.... ::As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. __Neal Stephenson, SNOW CRASH__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:13:43 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names On 1/30/02, Matthew Weber wrote: >And when I was a kid, there existed somewhere between Dayton, OH and >Richmond, IN on US Route 40 (or maybe it was I-70), a huge lot full of RVs, >vans, and camper trailers for sale, owned by a cheerful fellow named Tom >Raper. This is extremely familiar. I'm certain that when I last drove through the Midwest (in 1997), I saw a billboard or perhaps some fender labels for Tom Raper. I'll look again when I'm there this summer. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:22:32 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Jerkin' the tears On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > The difficulty of divorcing oneself from all the Muppets/Oh God cultural > baggage is the only reason why open-minded loud-fans who can accept > James Taylor, the Carpenters, Cat Stevens, even ELP can only make > non-musical "good muppet/poor pilot" jokes when John Denver's name comes > up in the discussion. Hey, that was me! I didn't say I could *only* make those jokes - I jsut, off the top of my head, couldn't come up w/a John Denver song I really liked. However, I remember that my cousin had his greatest hits LP in the mid-'70s, and two or three songs I liked pretty well then (the one about the eagle and the one about Jacques Cousteau - sorry, can't recall the titles). Oh, okay: I do like "Rocky Mountain High" and don't mind "Country Roads." I start drawin' lines (and makin' jokes) at stuff like "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" and "Annie's Song." - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who's been told he looks like Matt Groening J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: The possibility of Klingon slash fiction :: fills me with mild apprehension. __ Michael Quinion __ np: Aphex Twin _Drukqs_ disc 1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:22:54 -0800 (PST) From: mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew Weber) Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names At 12:13 AM 1/31/2, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >And of course, there was the famous music critic, Alfred Frankenstein - a A San Francisco music critic, mind you! >(Pity poor Otto Hitler, say... I understand most of the Hitlers changed their surnames with a quickness in the latter half of 1945. Not that there were that many to begin with; it wasn't a common German name. >or all those guys named Judas when the >biblical story started getting around. I've never met anyone named Judas, but I've known a fair number of Judes in my time (same name, really; just an Anglicized version of the Hellenization of the original Hebrew). Matt The liberty of the individual must be thus far limited: he must not make himself a nuisance to other people. John Stuart Mill, _On Liberty_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:24:24 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Oh - and re Matt's "Tom Raper" thing: he's still around (or at least, his > RV dealership is), and he's incredibly persistent in billboarding > seemingly the entire western half of Indiana. I meant "eastern," fwiw. Don't know which way's up, it seems... - -j ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:25:55 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names I had a doctor, a pediatrician named Dr. Freud for awhile, when I lived in NYC. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:27:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jer Fairall Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names My sister used to know someone in high school named B.J. Gaylord. Ouch. I've also encountered the name Richard Head a few times. What *are* some parents thinking? Jer ===== Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:36:19 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names At 01:08 AM 1/31/02 -0500, glenn mcdonald wrote: >You can't do a lot better than Bruce Cockburn. That doesn't count, though, since it's pronounced "Coburn" as in craggy-boy Jimmy. >Unless you were my >one-time downstairs neighbor Richard Payne, a hard-of-hearing poet with >no short-term memory who insisted on introducing himself to me, every >time I ran into him in the lobby, by striding purposefully forward with >one meaty hand extended, barking "Dick Payne" at mailbox-rattling >volume. Reminds me of the mental list of fake names the curators of the letters to the editor column at any paper keep in mind when they're vetting contributions. A popular one that people try to slip into New England papers all the time is "Richard Hertz, Holden MA." Dick Hertz from Holden, yuk yuk yuk. There is (or was, anyway), a TV and appliance store in San Angelo, TX called Kuntz TV and Appliances. Normal people would pronounce this name KOON-tz, but this is San Angelo, which is just up the highway from a town spelled "Eldorado" and pronounced "Eldo-RAY-do." So finally, curiosity got the best of me and I called their number in the phone book. Sure enough, the middle-aged-sounding woman on the other end picked up and cheerily announced...well, you know. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:41:38 -0500 From: timv@triad.rr.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Two-Lane Blacktop On 30 Jan 2002, at 17:59, Dan Sallitt wrote: > Yeah - I think FLAG is his best record. - Dan Depending on my mood, it's either that one or _JT_, the one before it, for me. Even the songs that weren't used in the Broadway show "Working" seem to have benefitted from his involvement--slice-of-life lyrics like "Another Grey Morning" and "Bartender's Blues" on _JT_ besides some of the ones that I said I liked on _Flag_. I think I've heard the hits on _JT_ enough times now to hold me for quite a while, but the tracks that didn't make _Greatest Hits Vol. II_ CD include some of his most impressive work--the chords and crazy time signatures and great words of "There We Are", and the cool Hoagy Carmichael-ish "If I Keep My Heart Out Of Sight". I think it was the other Dan S. who just mentioned key-changes as a big difference between sonata form and standard pop-song structure (very interesting post). But the C-section of "If I Keep My Heart Out Of Sight" has the most nicely crafted modulation of any song that I know how to play--from A major to F# major starting at "If I presented it to you..." That Bmaj7 chord really does sound totally shiny and new, perfectly matching the words that go with it. Even people who weren't really paying attention will stop talking in mid-sentence and look over at that point. I also think his last two studio albums, _New Moon Shine_ and _Hourglass_, have been surprisingly strong, and I'm looking forward very much to _As If_ next month. Btw, I'm listening to _Hourglass_ right now and I just noticed again the truly out-there harmony vocal on _Up Ur Mei_. It's credited to one Jill Dell'Abate, who was also the album's associate producer, and most of the credits I've found for her online are for non- performing work. I'm impressed by her more than by anyone in his very impressive guest cast--including Yo Yo Ma, Stevie Wonder, Sting, Branford Marsalis, and Shawn Colvin. Do any of our insider- types know who she is? Best wishes, Tim Victor timv@triad.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:45:12 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names Gil tells me his 5th grade history teacher was Fannie Raper Gil's nickname in jr. high was DEX My father went to high school with Gorey Hogg My father's name is Dick Robert the Pimp ===== blah blah blah Mr. Sensitive Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:49:44 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names The LA Galaxy have a midfielder named Peter Vagenas, who benefits from the most careful pronunciation in MLS. Although the "safe" version, va-HAY-nus, is still pretty funny. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:58:21 -0500 From: timv@triad.rr.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names On 31 Jan 2002, at 0:13, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Time for my frequent expression of joy at the hockey player surnamed > "Satan" - and my fervent wish for more Hispanic hockey players, so > that, some time, some game, there can be a Jesus/Satan face-off. Already done as a wrestling match, in my second-favorite-ever episode of "South Park"... > There's a race car driver named Dick Trickle. ...a name so outrageous even that the world-class wiseasses on ESPN's Sportscenter couldn't do anything with it. They seemingly admitted defeat and just gave his finishing position with a straight face and no comment at all. But they always--and I mean always-- mentioned his name, even when he finished in 35th place. When I was in college, a friend from home came up to watch the US Grand Prix at Watkins Glen, and a lot of the Formula One mechanics were English or Australian. Hanging around in the pits and paddock, we constantly heard them saying "wanker": a new word to both of us. We figured out the meaning from its context. Later on, the friend mailed a letter to me but addressed it to "Dick Wanker". My Australian house-mate came very close to stealing from the mailbox and sending it to his friends back home, amazing them that some poor sod in America would have such a name. And then there's current Cleveland Browns running back Ben Gay: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5758 if you don't believe me. Poor guy loses both ways on that one. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:04:56 -0500 From: timv@triad.rr.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Jerkin' the tears On 31 Jan 2002, at 0:22, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Oh, okay: I do like "Rocky Mountain High" and don't mind > "Country Roads." The latter definitively performed by Toots & the Maytals IMHO. > I start drawin' lines (and makin' jokes) at stuff like "Thank > God I'm a Country Boy" and "Annie's Song." Same here. I think he used that Muppet-ness to his advantage during his career, but listening now he seems a little limited in comparison to The Carpenters, The Bee Gees, Cat Stevens, and some of the other contemporaries he's being compared to. I was a fan, at least in the _Poems, Prayers, & Promises_ days, but it hasn't held up as well for me as some other things. Tim ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #47 ******************************