From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #46 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, January 30 2002 Volume 02 : Number 046 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] it's miller time! [steve ] [loud-fans] curious [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Sam on a Friday Morning (world peace through swap reviews) [JRT456@aol.] RE: [loud-fans] Jerkin' the tears ["Pete O." ] Re: [loud-fans] curious ["Dennis McGreevy" ] Re: [loud-fans] Jerkin' the tears ["richblath" ] RE: [loud-fans] Names ["R. Kevin Doyle" ] RE: [loud-fans] Names ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] Names [DOUDIE@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Names [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] Names ["Aaron Milenski" ] [loud-fans] Nick's Trip ["Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" ] Re: [loud-fans] Names [Robert Toren ] Re: [loud-fans] Nick's Trip [Elizabeth Setler ] Re: [loud-fans] Names [Dan Schmidt ] Re: [loud-fans] Names [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] Names ["John Swartzentruber" ] Re: [loud-fans] Names ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] Names ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] Names ["Roger Winston" ] Re: [loud-fans] Names [Robert Toren ] RE: [loud-fans] Names ["Keegstra, Russell" ] Re: [loud-fans] Names [Robert Toren ] [loud-fans] ThunderSnow ["Keegstra, Russell" ] Re: [loud-fans] Names [AWeiss4338@aol.com] RE: [loud-fans] Names [Michael Mitton ] RE: [loud-fans] Names [Bill Silvers ] RE: [loud-fans] Names ["Dennis McGreevy" ] RE: [loud-fans] Names ["R. Kevin Doyle" ] RE: [loud-fans] Names ["ana luisa morales" ] RE: [loud-fans] Names ["ana luisa morales" ] RE: [loud-fans] Names ["Aaron Milenski" ] [loud-fans] Intros - last call for database [John Cooper ] Re: [loud-fans] Names [Dan Sallitt ] RE: [loud-fans] Names ["Brendan Curry" ] RE: [loud-fans] Names ["Chris Murtland" ] Re: [loud-fans] Names [jenny grover ] RE: [loud-fans] Names [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Names [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] RE: [loud-fans] Names ["Chris Murtland" ] Re: [loud-fans] Names [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] Two-Lane Blacktop [timv@triad.rr.com] RE: [loud-fans] Names [Cindy Alvarez ] Re: [loud-fans] Two-Lane Blacktop [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] Names ["Roger Winston" ] RE: [loud-fans] Names ["Chris Murtland" ] Re: [loud-fans] Names [Dana L Paoli ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:21:31 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] it's miller time! On Tuesday, January 29, 2002, at 10:37 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I haven't heard it...but I've read several outright raves about Steve > Miller's earliest, psychedelicized work. Maybe slightly psychedelic, especially when compared to the other SF bands of the time. More like half pop-blues and half something else. The first 4 albums are excellent (if you like that sort of stuff). This was long before SM became The Joker. - - Steve __________ While still at the Department of Justice, Rehnquist provided the best definition of a strict constructionist I have ever encountered. It was in a memo Rehnquist wrote while he was vetting Judge Clement Haynsworth, one of Nixon's selections who was rejected by the Senate. Rehnquist wrote, in brief, that a strict constructionist was anyone who likes prosecutors and dislikes criminal defendants and who favors civil rights defendants over civil rights plaintiffs. That is as candid and blunt as you can get. And that is the real definition of a strict constructionist. - John Dean ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:30:32 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] curious Michael McDonald just accosted me on the street and claimed to be my brother. Weird. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Oxygen isn't a text:: __David Robbins__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:49:48 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sam on a Friday Morning (world peace through swap reviews) In a message dated 1/29/02 9:39:07 PM, smholt@ix.netcom.com writes: << 5. The Hummingbirds - "Word Gets Around" Another winner. This isn't on the Hummingbirds album I have (VA VA VOOM), so it must be on the earler one. Reminds me of the Someloves. >> It is, in fact, from the "loveBUZZ" album, and I"ve got the CD-3 here (w/ "Today of All Days" and "Swim to Shore") for whoever first contacts me off-list...although smholt may deserve first dibs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:47:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete O." Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Jerkin' the tears - --- Chris Murtland wrote: > I am on the Committee to Immortalize John Denver In The Annals Of Pop > Music, so just send me three stamps if you'd like a welcome kit. > One too many "n"s in that Pop Music thingy. - - Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:03:10 -0600 From: "Dennis McGreevy" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] curious Jeff has a doobious encounter: Michael McDonald just accosted me on the street and claimed to be my brother. Weird. <><><><><><><><><><> So you *did* know him then? - --D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:57:04 -0000 From: "richblath" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jerkin' the tears - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Murtland" > Speaking of the Carpenters, I love Sonic Youth's take on "Superstar" - a > very lovely rendition. > > Chris Murtland, R.N. I bought the 'If I were a Carpenter' tribute album on the basis of that track alone. And I've also gone for the revisionist version of Carpenter worth. Richard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:16:44 -0800 (PST) From: Jer Fairall Subject: [loud-fans] poor scott? no, poor billy! I admit I haven't been keeping up with "Ask Scott" but I'm reminded that Loud Family ended around the same time that Smashing Pumpkins broke up (I think that ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE and MACHINA may have even been released on the same day, but I could be wrong) which Billy Corgan, despite the fact that his band had been breaking apart one by one for quite some time, blamed on the popularlity of Britney and the Backstreet Boys in a "how could we possibly go on making good music in a world where this vacuous crap is what sells" kinda way. I love the Pumpkins but Billy often makes it all too easy for the people who already hate him to hate him even more. Jer ===== Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:51:28 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: [loud-fans] Names The spokesman for the Maine Department of Education is named Yellow Light Breen. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:41:14 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names John Cooper: >The spokesman for the Maine Department of Education is named Yellow >Light Breen. The former head of the children's theater program in Hawai'i was Milkey Way Bouray. Her daughter's name was Empress the Aquarian. No kidding. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:47:31 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names I actually met a girl (daughter of a hippie) named Comfort Shields. I met the mom too, and it was hard not to ask her what in the world she was thinking. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:48:40 EST From: DOUDIE@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names In a message dated 1/30/02 2:42:10 PM, rkdoyle@midpac.edu writes: << The former head of the children's theater program in Hawai'i was Milkey Way Bouray. Her daughter's name was Empress the Aquarian. No kidding. >> My friend Three's name is Three. No kidding. s ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:55:16 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names Aaron Milenski wrote: > > I actually met a girl (daughter of a hippie) named Comfort Shields. I met > the mom too, and it was hard not to ask her what in the world she was > thinking. My mom knew a woman who taught kindergarten, and one of the girls in her class was named Vagina. The child's mother was poor and uneducated and apparently didn't know what the word meant, she just thought it sounded like a pretty name. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:58:21 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names >My mom knew a woman who taught kindergarten, and one of the girls in her >class was named Vagina. The child's mother was poor and uneducated and >apparently didn't know what the word meant, she just thought it sounded >like a pretty name. This smacks of the urban legend of the foreign (always unspecified where they're from) family who named their baby girl Shithead, pronounced shi-theed. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:01:40 -0000 From: "Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" Subject: [loud-fans] Nick's Trip Apropos of nothing, but I'm reading Nick's Trip, a Nick Stefanos mystery novel, by George Pelecanos at the moment and this guy slips in so many music references I keep thinking that GT or LF are going to get a mention on the next page... So far we've had The Clash, Let's Active, Joe Jackson, Dream Syndicate, Lou Reed, Neil Young, Allman Bros, Replacements, Broooce, Depeche Mode, Neil Diamond, the list goes on. And, in a link to our recent Yes v ELP prog-nostications, the bad guy has a Roger Dean print on his wall. So I think we should petition him to include a reference to PABARAT or Lolita Nation in his next book. Or maybe there have already been Scott references in literature? Ian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:03:01 -0800 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names At 02:55 PM 1/30/02 -0500, jenny grover wrote: >My mom knew a woman who taught kindergarten, and one of the girls in her >class was named Vagina. The child's mother was poor and uneducated and >apparently didn't know what the word meant, she just thought it sounded >like a pretty name. I had a girlfriend who went to elementary school with a girl named LaTrina. I always wondered if she had a sister named Commoda and a brother named John. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley Your lamb shall be without blemish. _The Holy Bible: The Old Testament_, The Second Book of Moses, Called Exodus, chapter 12, verse 5 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:05:36 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names --- John Cooper wrote: > The spokesman for the Maine Department of Education > is named Yellow > Light Breen. i'll probably regret this,but_ my hippie nickname, received while on acid on an outdoor Vermont commune in 1972 was_ Joy Redscarf i like my rock n'roll nickname better anyone else have/had interesting nicknames? the robert formerly known as photo ===== blah blah blah Mr. Sensitive Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:06:51 -0800 From: Elizabeth Setler Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Nick's Trip At 8:01 PM +0000 1/30/02, Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett wrote: >Apropos of nothing, but I'm reading Nick's Trip, a Nick Stefanos mystery >novel, by George Pelecanos at the moment and this guy slips in so many >music references I keep thinking that GT or LF are going to get a >mention on the next page... So far we've had The Clash, Let's Active, >Joe Jackson, Dream Syndicate, Lou Reed, Neil Young, Allman Bros, >Replacements, Broooce, Depeche Mode, Neil Diamond, the list goes on. >And, in a link to our recent Yes v ELP prog-nostications, the bad guy >has a Roger Dean print on his wall. Pelecanos did a fairly excellent interview with legendary Scott Miller roommate Steve Wynn in... um... I think it was Amplifier, a few months back. They've got a mutual admiration society going, it seems. - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jan 2002 15:09:13 -0500 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names jenny grover writes: | Aaron Milenski wrote: | > | > I actually met a girl (daughter of a hippie) named Comfort | > Shields. I met the mom too, and it was hard not to ask her what | > in the world she was thinking. | | My mom knew a woman who taught kindergarten, and one of the girls in | her class was named Vagina. The child's mother was poor and | uneducated and apparently didn't know what the word meant, she just | thought it sounded like a pretty name. That comes up a lot (which is not to say it couldn't be true in this case): http://www.snopes2.com/spoons/fracture/names.htm - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:14:09 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names Robert Toren wrote: > > anyone else have/had interesting nicknames? My college nickname was Cosmic, given to me by an astronomy classmate. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:16:12 -0500 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:58:21 -0500, Aaron Milenski wrote: >This smacks of the urban legend of the foreign (always unspecified where >they're from) family who named their baby girl Shithead, pronounced >shi-theed. That was my thought as well. I wondered whether it would hold up in tracing back through the friend of a friend chain. For some verified real names, check out: http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/NOTES/note139/2000/top1000_of_2000.html If you find it interesting, follow the links at the bottom. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:19:39 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names Jen says: >My college nickname was Cosmic, given to me by an astronomy classmate. We loud fans have tons in common we don't know about. Before I was Pudman I was Cosmo. I was a little miffed when Kramer revealed that Cosmo was his name! _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:24:38 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names A couple of my friends in college amused themselves, while drunk and/or bored, by calling the Hair Club for Men and having brochures sent to themselves under fake names. The game was to see how offensive a written name you could get them to print on an envelope by making it sound plausible when it was said aloud. The grand-prize winner was pronounced COAL-a-SAUL oss-WEE-pay, and written Colossal Asswipe. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:25:36 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names John Cooper on 1/30/2002 11:51:28 AM wrote: > The spokesman for the Maine Department of Education is named Yellow > Light Breen. Okay, I have to ask: Why would anyone want to name their kid "Breen"? Later. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:31:00 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names Cosmic Jenny very cool rt > My college nickname was Cosmic, given to me by an > astronomy classmate. > > Jen ===== blah blah blah Mr. Sensitive Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:48:52 -0600 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names John points us to actuarial notes of the SSA: http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/NOTES/note139/2000/top1000_of_2000.html What's up with the name "Madison" for a girl? Too many people watch Splash and thought that was cute? It's not anywhere in the top 1000 names (except for boys in the beginning of the century) until the 1980's. Now it's number 3. 20,000 girls born in 2000 with the name Madison. Russ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:51:09 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names > > Cosmic Jenny > > very cool > > rt > Thanks! So, did you wear a red scarf? > Jen si_ wore a long red scarf throughout jr-sr. high school_ got named robert redscarf long acid trip in vermont first summer out of high school_ got named 'joy' (it was that kind of era)_ viola: Joy Redscarf_ for more years than i care to remember :^P Robert Joseph Toren ===== blah blah blah Mr. Sensitive Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:59:37 -0600 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: [loud-fans] ThunderSnow I have only seen this once before in my entire life, and that was in Cleveland over 25 years ago, but right now in Tucson it is snowing, and there is thunder and lightning. Russ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:59:22 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names My nickname in high school was Hobbit. I read the book to find out why, and when I finished I realized that it was a cool nickname, as hobbits were cool themselves. Although I think it had to do with me being very short as much as anything. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:57:01 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Mitton Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names I read a front page article in USA Today on hotel security, and they interviewed the head of security for a major hotel chain (I think it was Marriott). His name was Norman Bates. - --Michael http://www.filmatters.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:04:42 -0600 From: Bill Silvers Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names Russ Keegstra: >John points us to actuarial notes of the SSA: >http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/NOTES/note139/2000/top1000_of_2000.html > >What's up with the name "Madison" for a girl? Too many people >watch Splash and thought that was cute? It's not anywhere in the >top 1000 names (except for boys in the beginning of the century) >until the 1980's. Now it's number 3. 20,000 girls born in 2000 >with the name Madison. You got me. An otherwise sensible friend named his daughters Madison and Berkeley. Brad and his wife are secondary-school principals in a D-FW area school system, and fairly conservative Texas folks, so I doubt there were any "Republic of" jokes involved. b.s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:18:19 -0600 From: "Dennis McGreevy" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names Russ asks: What's up with the name "Madison" for a girl? Too many people watch Splash and thought that was cute? <><><><><><><> I've long been baffled by this one, and the movie's popularity is the only explanation I've been able to formulate. I remember thinking while seeing that movie that the only possible point of that being the mermaid's human name was that it was awkward and improbable, making the name sort of a joke, but it seems to have caught on immediately following. - --D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:15:14 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names Russ Keegstra writes: >What's up with the name "Madison" for a girl? Yeah, that one gets me. Another one that I see all the time as a high school teacher is "Summer." I've had three Summers in the last two years. Egads, that sounds like some sort of seasonal pun. Oh, and I get a lot of girls named "Taylor," too. Is that because of Taylor Dane? One shudders to think. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:16:53 -0800 From: "ana luisa morales" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names personally, i have an aversion to idiosyncratic names, and have had a long standing belief that you best be careful what you name yr children or pets, as they may well become them. fortunately, my SO agrees with me on this point. (altho' he gives steve miller a wider berth than i ever wd ;) ) this is a pretty durn cool website, imo, if you want a reading on yr name: http://www.kabalarians.com/gkh/your.htm - --ana whose name means "graceful" *"no symmetry"**albany california u.s.a.* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:24:40 -0800 From: "ana luisa morales" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names *"no symmetry"**albany california u.s.a.* >--- Original Message --- >From: "R. Kevin Doyle" > >Russ Keegstra writes: > >>What's up with the name "Madison" for a girl? > >Yeah, that one gets me. Another one that I see all the time as a high school teacher is "Summer." I've had three Summers in the last two years. > >Egads, that sounds like some sort of seasonal pun. > >Oh, and I get a lot of girls named "Taylor," too. Is that because of Taylor Dane? One shudders to think. > oh, i doubt it. truly. some parents seem to pick a consonant or initials prior to even conception, and then start thinking of names to match. and of course, many give their offspring family names. custom used to be for the middle name (or initial), but increasingly, it is becoming common, to see that family surname as a daughter or son's first name. - --ana ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:26:04 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names > >What's up with the name "Madison" for a girl? > >Yeah, that one gets me. Another one that I see all the time as a high >school teacher is "Summer." I've had three Summers in the last two years. > >Egads, that sounds like some sort of seasonal pun. > >Oh, and I get a lot of girls named "Taylor," too. Is that because of >Taylor >Dane? One shudders to think. I highly doubt a movie like SPLASH could have had such a huge effect on the American psyche (though the 80s and 90s popularity of the name Kayla has been blamed on a character from a soap opera.) One trend I've noticed is that last names being used as first names have become extremely popular for girls. Thus Madison and Taylor, also names like Morgan, Cameron and so on. If we had had a girl, we were going to name her Olivia. I'm shocked to see that name, which I thought was uncommon, now in the top 20!!! I think we safely chose an uncommon name for our boy, though. The cool thing about naming him Fox is that even though none of the toys with kids' names have his, tons of toys have the word. It was really easy finding him a train named after a Fox, and a "Fox Crossing" sign for his door, for instance. Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:33:59 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: [loud-fans] Intros - last call for database It seems that introductions have ceased, so I plan on posting the database (really an Excel spreadsheet, which will also be posted as a tab-delineated file) this weekend, following some minor cleanup. If anyone who has not yet posted would like to be included, now is the time. John P.S. These will be available as compressed downloads only, so the data will be unavailable to bots, web spiders and the casual searcher. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:42:21 -0500 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:26:04 -0500, Aaron Milenski wrote: >I highly doubt a movie like SPLASH could have had such a huge effect on the >American psyche (though the 80s and 90s popularity of the name Kayla has >been blamed on a character from a soap opera.) I think television and movies has more affect on names than anything. They can usually trace name popularity spikes to a specific show or movie (either a character or an actor). I believe Melrose Place and 90210 made a big difference (but since I didn't see these shows I can't name names). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:59:07 -0500 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names > What's up with the name "Madison" for a girl? Too many people > watch Splash and thought that was cute? It's not anywhere in the > top 1000 names (except for boys in the beginning of the century) > until the 1980's. Now it's number 3. 20,000 girls born in 2000 > with the name Madison. It's SPLASH, no doubt, but it's nice to think that 20,000 Laura Nyro fans might have named their daughters after the protagonist of "Mercy on Broadway." "Madison smiled, and she hung with a band of strays...." > Yeah, that one gets me. Another one that I see all the time as a high > school teacher is "Summer." I've had three Summers in the last two years. I would have thought this was a bad idea before I saw Summer Phoenix's amazing performance in the French film ESTHER KAHN. Now I'd like to have a daughter so I could name her Summer. > Oh, and I get a lot of girls named "Taylor," too. Is that because of Taylor > Dane? One shudders to think. I doubt it - seems to me a lot of young people these days give their children of both sexes names that end in "-or" or "-er." I don't care for the trend, myself. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:05:09 +0000 From: "Brendan Curry" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names After my uncle was told that one of our newer cousins was named Finbar, he offered his own child naming rubric: Say, aloud: "Chief Justice ." If it sounds alright, then the name is safe. Brendan >From: "ana luisa morales" >To: loud-fans@smoe.org >Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names >Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:16:53 -0800 > >personally, i have an aversion >to idiosyncratic names, >and have had a long standing belief >that you best be careful >what you name yr children or pets, >as they may well become them. > >fortunately, my SO agrees with me >on this point. >(altho' he gives steve miller >a wider berth than i ever wd ;) ) > >this is a pretty durn cool website, imo, >if you want a reading on yr name: > >http://www.kabalarians.com/gkh/your.htm > >--ana >whose name means "graceful" > > >*"no symmetry"**albany california u.s.a.* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:13:37 -0500 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names I come from a family of bizarre naming rituals (I am not highly red-faced though). My grandfather, Manly, wanted my name to be Manly. One of the reasons I believe in God is that it isn't. My grandmother's name was Esther (a good, Biblical name, to be sure). On the other side, my grandfather is Hester and my grandmother is Sarah (another fine Biblical name). My great-grandmother, Lacie, still living, had 12 siblings, all of which had amazing names, most of which I can't remember (Merlie is the only one that comes to mind). My sister's name is Buffy. One of my middle names is Clement. I have cousins who are named: Madison, Savannah, Haley, Whitney, Hunter, Grainger, and nieces Maggie and Lacie. I have two uncles named Freddy and Teddy, and they are sort of like a duo act. The dad of some kids I knew when I was little was named Wee'Gee (I really have no idea how it was spelled, but that was how it was pronounced). Other interesting names of people I've known or met: Carrera, Cryshell, Debian, Garnet, Kennedy, Kazu (I know we're really talking about American names; I just wanted to throw in that I met her!), Alden, Sage, Mischa, Jolie, Butter (yes, "Butter"), Haydee, Elgin, Elf, Ellis, Brittain, Cali, Mason, Shalini (is that an Indian name?), and Lance Larry Leitzel. When I am doing karaoke or meet someone in a bar, I tell them my name is "Tex." And the winner: while grocery shopping in Chapel Hill during college, my housemates and I witnessed a harried mother trying to round up her three rambunctious kids: "Freedom! Liberty! Democracy! Get over here!" She really did not sound like she was joking. This reminds me that every Christmas eve at my grandmother's house, my greatgrandmother sings (a capella) an old folk song about some guy who, on Christmas day, shot his whole family to death, then shot himself. I love the South. If I have my choice in naming my as yet unconceived children: Murt Junior Bathsheba Lolita Nicollette and Nikolai (they are twins) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:26:00 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names Chris Murtland wrote: > > This reminds me that every Christmas eve at my grandmother's house, my > greatgrandmother sings (a capella) an old folk song about some guy who, > on Christmas day, shot his whole family to death, then shot himself. I > love the South. Such a song, perhaps the same one, is on Dave Alvin's "Public Domain" album. It's called "Murder of the Lawson Family." Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:27:13 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Aaron Milenski wrote: > >Taylor > >Dane? One shudders to think. > > I highly doubt a movie like SPLASH could have had such a huge effect on the > American psyche (though the 80s and 90s popularity of the name Kayla has > been blamed on a character from a soap opera.) One trend I've noticed is > safely chose an uncommon name for our boy, though. The cool thing about > naming him Fox is that even though none of the toys with kids' names have > his, tons of toys have the word. It was really easy finding him a train > named after a Fox, and a "Fox Crossing" sign for his door, for instance. The obvious connection here is: everyone in the world will think you named him after Fox Mulder. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::can you write underwater on liquid paper?:: __Zippy__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:32:04 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, glenn mcdonald wrote: > A couple of my friends in college amused themselves, while drunk and/or bored, > by calling the Hair Club for Men and having brochures sent to themselves under > fake names. The game was to see how offensive a written name you could get > them to print on an envelope by making it sound plausible when it was said > aloud. The grand-prize winner was pronounced COAL-a-SAUL oss-WEE-pay, and > written Colossal Asswipe. In college, a bunch of us ordered pencils engraved with the following name: Swami Aiwana Fak-Yamadda I think I may still have one. As for profession-appropriate names, there's a urologist in town named Dr. Slocum. I wonder if he specializes in male sexual dysfunction... And Russ says: John points us to actuarial notes of the SSA: http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/NOTES/note139/2000/top1000_of_2000.html What's up with the name "Madison" for a girl? - ---- I don't know if this is the same list - but at one time, I saw what purported to be an official actuarial table of this sort that listed the name "Destiny" as a very popular name amongst girls: in the top 100, I think. What is *up* with that? - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::playing around with the decentered self is all fun and games ::until somebody loses an I. np: The Crowd Scene _Turn Left at Greenland_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:36:11 -0500 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names Yep, ol' Charlie Lawson. I have a videotape recording, but I have always wanted to get a real recording of my great-grandmother singing it on my digital recorder (and there may still be time; she is only 95 or so). I will have to check into this album, too. I hope longevity is genetic and completely unrelated to lifestyle. My other great-grandmother lived to 101; my great-grandfather to 100 (and he drank homemade whiskey, some would even say moonshine, and smoked Luckies - of course, he worked for a living). |Such a song, perhaps the same one, is on Dave Alvin's "Public |Domain" album. It's called "Murder of the Lawson Family." | |Jen | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:38:57 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names At 04:32 PM 1/30/02 -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >In college, a bunch of us ordered pencils engraved with the following >name: > >Swami Aiwana Fak-Yamadda Shades of the Turtles' immortal "I'm Chief Kamanawanalea (We're the Royal Macadamia Nuts)." The middle name of one of my sisters isn't a family name -- all nine other names between the five of us are. In my own case, Stewart was my mom's maiden name, and Allensworth was her mom's. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:45:16 -0500 From: timv@triad.rr.com Subject: [loud-fans] Two-Lane Blacktop On 29 Jan 2002, at 22:33, Janet Ingraham Dwyer wrote: > As for James Taylor, I finally saw "Two-Lane Blacktop" fairly recently > - > ended up spending most of a rainy autumn weekend watching it 2 or 3 > times > through, and a few scenes more frequently. It's terribly rare for me > to > spend that much time in one stretch with a movie (or to have that much > time > in one stretch to spend on anything at all), but I found the thing > damn > fascinating. If I'd felt ill will towards JT, which I didn't, I'd've > backwards-retrospectively forgiven him all after seeing that movie. It's great to see all the love on this list for JT. I didn't expect it. I like how the song "Enough To Be On Your Way" from his last album, mainly a memorium for his brother Alex, also slips in a tribute to the late Laurie Bird, Dennis Wilson, and Warren Oates... The last time I saw Alice She was leaving Santa Fe With a bunch of round-eyed Buddhists In a killer Chevrolet Having gotten my first guitar in 1970 in North Carolina, there was no way for me not to be affected by what he did. But the clincher for me was the way that he kept up his level of songwriting. Even an overlooked album like _Flag_, known mostly for his (very nice) cover of "Up On the Roof", has a bunch of original songs that I think are really wonderful like "Company Man", "B.S.U.R", "Millworker", and "Sleep Come Free Me". And Steve H., I don't think it's just you w/r to "Something In the Way She Moves" vs. "Something". When he quotes the whole title in the first line of his song, it's hard to call it a coincidence. (Like Elvis Costello starting out "High Fidelity" with "Some things you never get used to", but he came right out and said that it was a Supremes pastiche.) And it was a big deal that JT was the first non-Beatle signed to Apple Records, so you have to think that George would have listened to it before _Abbey Road_ was recorded. "Here Comes the Sun" is also more than a little JT-ish--the hammer-on/pull-off fingerpicked guitar with the capo halfway up the neck is Taylor's playing style, and it borrows the dominant theme of that Apple album. More than half of the songs on the record relate to sun/sunlight/sunshine somehow. ("Sunshine, Sunshine", "Circle Around the Sun", "Brighten Your Night With My Day", "Karen she's a silver sun" in "Carolina In My Mind", etc.) Best wishes, Tim Victor timv@triad.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:45:21 -0800 From: Cindy Alvarez Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names At 2:13 PM -0800 1/30/02, Chris Murtland wrote: >My grandfather, Manly, wanted my name to be Manly. One of the reasons I >believe in God is that it isn't. Acquaintances in college who paired up for a programming class had the last names (and login names) of Manley and Courage. >The dad of some kids I knew when I was little was named Wee'Gee (I >really have no idea how it was spelled, but that was how it was >pronounced). after a Ouija board? >Other interesting names of people I've known or met: Carrera, Cryshell, >Debian, Garnet, Kennedy, Kazu (I know we're really talking about >American names; I just wanted to throw in that I met her!), Alden, Sage, >Mischa, Jolie, Butter (yes, "Butter"), Haydee, Elgin, Elf, Ellis, >Brittain, Cali, Mason, Shalini (is that an Indian name?), and Lance >Larry Leitzel. this could be an entertaining cascade. here are mine: Jeffrey Lee Shih (all 3 names rhyme), Charee (pronounced KUH-ree), Jabena, Cricket, Nyani-Iisha, Romaine, Colby, Blue Skye, Golden Day, Marnie, and Dani. c ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:59:57 -0500 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Two-Lane Blacktop > But > the clincher for me was the way that he kept up his level of > songwriting. Even an overlooked album like _Flag_, known > mostly for his (very nice) cover of "Up On the Roof", has a > bunch of original songs that I think are really wonderful like > "Company Man", "B.S.U.R", "Millworker", and "Sleep Come > Free Me". Yeah - I think FLAG is his best record. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:08:53 -0700 From: "Roger Winston" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names My personal "Oh, c'mon!" minute with the list of most popular names: 286 girls named "Kennedi" (Girls, #799). What WERE their parents thinking?? I'm not missing a thing, just watchin' the full moon cross in the range, Later. --Rog (Surprised that "Roger" is as popular as it is: #377 among boys. Beats my little sister's name of "Lori" by a large margin. Score!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:14:21 -0500 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Names Actually, Destiny seems to be a pretty popular name at the strip joints, or so I've been told. The most pointless book I own (among many pointless books), is entitled "Word Frequency Book," dated 1971. I have no idea where it came from, and I can't even read it, as it's 800 pages written all in Math, or Table, or something. I have just now put up a picture of me enjoying it at www.murtworld.com so that everyone can drool with envy. [Note: I didn't do the right thing and take the time to save it properly, so it's 49k and proof that I have no mercy on those with dial-up.] Maybe I should sell it on eBay as a rare classic obviously worth $900... |---- | |I don't know if this is the same list - but at one time, I saw |what purported to be an official actuarial table of this sort |that listed the name "Destiny" as a very popular name amongst |girls: in the top 100, I think. | |What is *up* with that? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:19:35 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Names Did anyone else read "The Commune Cookbook" by Crescent Dragonwagon? A well-thumbed copy of it lived in my co-op when I was in college, and it included chapters on liberating food from it's capitalist captors and what to eat when you're stoned. Crescent subsequently wrote a number of other cookbooks that were a little more mainstream and opened an inn, and subsequently prepared Bill Clinton's inauguration dinner when he became governor. I believe that she has kept her name. I think I may have posted about her before, so apologies for the repetition. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> One trend I've noticed is that last names being used as first names have become extremely popular for girls. Thus Madison and Taylor, also names like Morgan, Cameron and so on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's apparently a southern custom, hence Parker Posey. Maybe it's spreading. There was a very high profile porn-star named Madison, but I don't know if that explains anything. If you went to a playground in Park Slope, Brooklyn and yelled "Zach, come here" they'd have to bring a crane to pull off all the respondents. I don't have a nickname, but a huge number of people seem to gravitate towards "dana boy" even if they haven't seen my email address. I'm assuming that there'll be an end to that at some point, when I have a colostomy bag and a walker and dentures. I wouldn't mind being "Dana Dane" but no one has called me that in years, and at this point Mr. Dane seems on his way to being forgotten. Too bad. I keep having these crazy noightmares... - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #46 ******************************