From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #37 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, January 25 2002 Volume 02 : Number 037 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] RIP Lord Pretender [Charity Stafford ] Re: [loud-fans] Swap Review: Round & Round (half-hijacked to handedness) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Britpop question [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] Britpop question ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] Handedness [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] Can't see my pinkie ["John Swartzentruber" ] Re: [loud-fans] Swap Review: Round & Round (half-hijacked to handedness) [zkk46@ttacs.ttu.ed] [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt, or, Notes toward a syntactical deconstruction of inflated authorial ego [J] Re: [loud-fans] Handedness [Michael Mitton ] [loud-fans] Suzi Z Sighting! ["Brandon J. Carder" ] Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt, or, Notes toward a syntactical deconstruction of inflated authorial ego [] Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt, or, Notes toward a syntactical deconstruction of inflated authorial ego [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:54:19 -0500 (EST) From: Charity Stafford Subject: [loud-fans] RIP Lord Pretender I woke this morning to the news (on NPR) that the calypsonian Lord Pretender died Tuesday at 84. He was long-time champion of the extemporaneous style of calypso, inventing songs on the spot, and he favored songs on political subjects. Just thought y'all should know. On the handedness topic - I gather that it's actually pretty common for people to do some things better with their non-dominant hand. I found an interesting page on left-handedness on the web a couple of years ago that had an extensive survey on which hand you used for a wide variety of tasks. (Sorry, no URL and I'm not in a good position to go looking from this account, but I think I hit it from a link on the amazing "dermatology in the movies" web site.) In any case, I was surprised how many things I did right-handed, although I'm primarily a lefty. I worked in accounting for many years, and held my pen in my left hand while I worked my desk calculator with the right - I also mouse right-handed. (No, I couldn't actually both write and calculate at the same time, but at least I didn't have to keep moving back and forth!) Charity ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:40:48 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap Review: Round & Round (half-hijacked to handedness) On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Jon Gabriel wrote: > > What's a Mersey? Dunno exactly...but I know they dote - as do goatsies. As to what a lamsidivey is, or does - I'm clueless. - --Jeff, kickin' it old school J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing.... ::As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. __Neal Stephenson, SNOW CRASH__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:00:12 -0500 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] Another top ? list (ns) I get this newsletter from "gullbuy" that's occasionally helpful re: new music. I thought that the following might be of interest, especially because of all the links. - --dana >>>>>>>> The following are the top 90.3 songs (90.3 is WZBC's FM broadcast frequency) for 2001 as compiled by Petrina at the station. She did an amazing job complete with links! Here is the list for you to enjoy. You can listen to WZBC online at www.zbconline.com Thanks for reading the gullbuy! - ---Carl www.gullbuy.com - ----------------------------------------------- THE TOP 90.3 SONGS OF 2001 ON WZBC, 90.3FM Boston College Radio, Boston, Massachusetts as aired on Monday, January 21, 2002 artist - song - release label - info 1. Adult - Hand to Phone (Cordless Mix) - Resuscitation Ersatz Audio, http://www.ersatzaudio.com 2. Dymaxion - Ant'lrd Ally - Dymaxion x 4 + 3 = 38:33 (Sound Recordings 1995-98) Roomtone, roomtone@rcn.com (compilation of releases from different labels) 3. Avalanches - Frontier Psychologist - Since I Left You Modular / Sire, http://www.modularpeople.com, http://www.xlrecordings.com 4. I Am Kloot - To You - Natural History - We Love You / Wall of Sound http://www.iamkloot.com, http://www.weloveyou.co.uk, http://www.wallofsound.net 5. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Bang - Yeah New York!! self-released, casioparker@yahoo.com 6. The Rapture - out of the races and onto the tracks - EP Sub Pop Records, http://subpop.com/scripts/main/bands_page.php?id=382 7. Lightning Bolt - 13 Monsters - Ride the Skies Load Records, ben@loadrecords.com, http://www.loadrecords.com 8. Stereo Total - l'amour a 3 - Musique Automatique Bobsled Records, http://www.bobsledrecords.com 9. Playgroup - Make It Happen - s/t - Source/Virgin http://www.theplaygroup.mu, http://www.sub.sil.at/trevorjacksoninfo.htm, http://www.astralwerks.com Kyra fr/Thee Headcoatees on vox on this track, out on Astralwerks March 2002 10. The Von Bondies - Sound of Terror - Lack of Communication Sympathy for the Record Industry http://www.vonbondies.com, http://www.sympathyrecords.com 11. Messer Chups - Midnight - Miss Libido 2000 - Edition Stora http://www.messerchups.com/home.html http://www.forcedexposure.com/artists/messer.chups.html 12. The Pattern - Breakfast - "Wet Circuit City" 7 inch - Alternative Tentacles http://www.epitonic.com/artists/thepattern.html, http://www.alternativetentacles.com 13. The Faint - Conductor - Danse Macabre Saddle Creek, http://www.saddlecreekrecords.com, http://www.thefaint.com 14. !!! - Feel Good Hit of the Fall - s/t - G.S.L. http://www.goldstandardlabs.com, http://www.brainwashed.com/!!!, yeowyeowyeow@yahoo.com 15. Felix da Housecat - Silver Screen Shower Scene - 3 song single City Rockers, http://www.cityrockers.net, domestic on Emperor Norton 16. Beauty Pill - The Cigarette Girl from the Future - 5 song EP DeSoto/Dischord, http://www.desotorecords.com, http://www.dischord.com 17. Mr. Airplane Man - Johnny, Johnny - Red Light - Sympathy for the Record Industry http://www.sympathyrecords.com, http://www.airplaneman.com 18. Ladytron - Playgirl - 604 - Emperor Norton http://www.emperornorton.com/mod/artistpage.php3?artist=ladytron, http://www.ladytron.com 19. Bomb the Bass / Lali Puna - Clearcut - Clearcut CD single Morr Music, http://www.morrmusic.com, http://www.bombthebass.com, http://www.hausmusik.com/lalipuna.html, http://www.brainwashed.com/btb/, http://www.warprecords.com/mart/music/release.php?cat=MORR018 20. White Stripes - Hotel Yorba - CD single - XL Recordings / Third Man http://www.whitestripes.com, http://www.xlrecordings.com 21. Vivian Goldman - Launderette - Anti NY Compilation - Gomma Records http://www.gomma.de, http://www.forcedexposure.com/labels/gomma.records.germany.html, http://djmartian.blogspot.com/?/2001_11_01_djmartian_archive.html, http://www.publicpropaganda.de 22. Mum - On the Old Mountain Radio - Please Smile My Nose Bleed Morr Music, http://www.morrmusic.com, http://www5.ocn.ne.jp/~ingreen/scrapbook/discs/200110.htm, http://www.ritsumei.ac.jp/ba/~ba074981/mum.html, http://www.thulemusik.com/mum.htm 23. Erase Errata - Marathon - Other Animals - Troubleman Unlimited http://www.troublemanunlimited.com, http://www.eraseerrata.com/ 24. The Decals - You, That's All We Ever Talk About - Drive-by Kiss-off Fork in Hand, http://www.thedecals.com, http://www.forkinhand.com 25. Trembling Blue Stars - Haunted Days - Alive To Every Smile Sub Pop Records, http://www.subpop.com/bands/tbs/alive/, http://www.tbstars.co.uk 26. Tunnel of Love - 21st Century Dude - self-released 27. Freezepop - Plastic Stars - Forever Archenemy, http://www.archenemy.com, http://www.freezepop.net 28. Fridge - five four child voice - Happiness Brainwashed / Temporary Residence, http://www.brainwashed.com/fridge 29. Life without Buildings - New Town - Any Other City - Tugboat Records http://www.lifewithoutbuildings.co.uk, http://www.tugboatrecords.com 30. The New Year - Newness Ends - Newness Ends - TOUCH and GO http://brainwashed.com/thenewyear/, http://www.southern.com/southern/label/TCH/ 31. Miss Kittin and the Hacker - 1982 - First Album International Deejay Gigolo Records http://www.homebass.ca/artist/a4153.cfm, http://www.gigolorecords.de, http://www.phinnweb.com/links/artists/MissKittin/ 32. Bran Flakes - Dear Mom and Dad - I Don't Have A Friend - Lomo Records http://www.thebranflakes.com 33. Liars - Mr Yr On Fire Mr - They Threw Us in a Trench... Gern Blandsten, http://www.gernblandsten.com, gernbland@aol.com 34. Paul Piot with Paul Guiot - Amour, Vacances et Baroque Barry 7's Connectors Compilation - Lo Recordings http://www.lorecordings.com 35. The Clientele - We Could Walk Together - Suburban Light - Merge Records http://www.theclientele.co.uk, http://www.mergerecords.com/bands/clientele/bio.html 36. De Phazz - The Mambo Craze - Godsdog Listening Pearls/Mole, http://www.de-phazz.de/ 37. Detroit Cobras - Boss Lady - Life, Love and Leaving Sympathy for the Record Industry http://members.aol.com/formfirbrd/cobras.htm, http://www.sympathyrecords.com 38. Squarepusher - My Red Hot Car - CD single - Warp Records http://www.warprecords.com, http://www.squarepusher.com 39. Yonder Boi - Pabadam - Sonar 2001 Compilation Sonar, http://www.sonar.es 40. Le Tigre - Tres Bien - Feminist Sweepstakes - Mr. Lady Records http://www.mrlady.com, http://student.bard.edu/~ba935/front.html 41. Chicks On Speed - Strobelight - Chix 52 - Chicks On Speed Records http://www.phinnweb.com/CoS/, http://www.chicksonspeed.com 42. Pinback - Penelope - Blue Screen Life Ace Fu Records, http://www.acefu.com 43. Matmos - Ur Tchun Tan Tse Qi - A Chance To Cut Is A Chance To Cure Matador Records, http://www.matadorrecords.com, http://www.brainwashed.com/matmos 44. Charlene - Talk Me Down - 7 inch - SharkAttack! http://www.sharkattackmusic.com/ 45. The Konks - Three Mile Baby - 7 inch - Baby Doll Records http://www.thekonks.com, received 1-1-2002 oops! 46. The Outsiders - Misfit - CQ - Psuedonym Records http://www.furious.com/perfect/outsiders.html, http://www.midnightrecords.com 47. Thalia Zedek - 1926 - Been Here and Gone Matador Records, http://www.matadorrecords.com 48. Low - Dinosaur Act - Things We Lost in the Fire - Kranky Records kranky@interaccess.com, http://www.chairkickers.com, http://www.kranky.net 49. The Langley Schools Music Project - Space Oddity - Innocence & Despair Bar/None Records, http://www.bar-none.com, http://keyofz.com/keyofz/langley/ 50. Le Shok - 122 Hours of Fear - L.A. to N.Y. 6 inch record - Kapow! http://www.leshok.com , http://www.kapowrecords.com, Screamers cover 51. The Clean - Stars - Getaway Merge Records, http://www.mergerecords.com/bands/clean/bio.html 52. DJ/Rupture - Descarriada - Gold Teeth Thief - Soot Records http://www.negrophonic.com, soot@reliq.net 53. Howie B. - Duet - Folk Polydor 54. Kings of Convenience - Toxic Girl - Quiet Is The New Loud Source/Astralwerks, http://www.kingsofconvenience.com, http://www.sourcelab.net 55. To Rococo Rot with i-sound - From Dream To Daylight - Music Is A Hungry Ghost Mute/City Slang, http://www.mute.com 56. Sister Charmaine - The Body - 500% Compilation Soul Jazz, http://www.souljazzrecords.co.uk 57. Radio 4 - Dance to the Underground - CD single Gern Blandsten, http://www.gernblandsten.com, gernbland@aol.com 58. DJ Scud - The Blood Claat Gangster Youth remix - Murder Sound Ambush http://c8.com/ambush 59. Golden Boy - Autopilot - Or Ladomat, http://www.lado.de, Miss Kittin on this track 60. John Zorn - Train To Thiensan - The Gift Tzadik Records, http://www.tzadik.com 61. Stars of the Lid - Requiem for Dying Mothers part 1 - The Tired Sounds of. Kranky Records, http://www.brainwashed.com/sotl, http://www.kranky.net 62. The Reds - Get Out - It's About Time Rip Off Records, http://www.ripoffrecords.org 63. Solex - Have You No Shame Girl? - Low Kick and Hard Bop Matador Records, http://www.solex.net, http://www.matadorrecords.com 64. The Frames - In The Deep Shade - For the Birds Plateau Records, http://www.plateaurecords.com, Rachel from Rachel's on this track 65. Papa M - Sabotage - Whatever, Mortal Drag City, http://www.papa-m.com, http://www.dragcity.com 66. Cubismo Grafico - Trip to Rio - Tout! - Sound For Escape http://lomgra.room.ne.jp/~kat/cubi.htm, http://www.escalator.co.jp/catalog/escapecd004.html 67. Oneida - Still Rememberin Hidin in the Stones - Anthem of the Moon Jagjaguwar, http://www.enemyhogs.com, http://www.jagjaguwar.com 68. Girlfrendo - A Young Man Ate My Wife - So You Are Here Again, Shadow? Bambini Records, bambini@bambinirecords.com, http://www.bambinirecords.com 69. Mouse On Mars - Presence - Idiology Thrill Jockey, http://www.thrilljockey.com 70. The Microphones - The Glow pt. 2 - The Glow, pt. 2 K Records, http://www.kpunk.com 71. Spoon - Me and the Bean - Girls Can Tell Merge Records, http://www.spoontheband.com, http://www.mergerecords.com 72. The Takers - Crash Safely - Never Get Out Of These Blues Alive Rubric Records, http://www.rubricrecords.com 73. Hood - They Removed All Trace... - Cold House Aesthetics, http://www.hoodmusic.net, http://www.aesthetics-usa.com 74. Bertrand Burgalat - The Sssound of Mmmusic - The Ssssound of Music Tricatel / Emperor Norton / EMI, http://www.tricatel.com, http://www.emperornorton.com 75. Kanada - Nitro - Kanada TMT Entertainment, http://www.thulemusik.com 76. Strawberry Smell - Soopasound - Odorama Rainbow Quartz, http://www.odorama5.com, http://www.rainbowquartz.com 77. Tara Jane O'Neil - The Winds You Came Here On - In The Sun Lines Quarterstick Records, http://www.southern.com/southern/label/QUA/ 78. Old Time Relijun - Vampire Sushi - Witchcraft Rebellion K Records, http://www.kpunk.com 79. Los Sampler's - Descarga Mecano Descargas - 7 inch - Hot Air http://music.hyperreal.org/labels/rather_interesting/, http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/atom_heart/ 80. Anti-Pop Consortium - M - Shopping Carts Crashing - Anti-Pop Recordings Nippon Crown, http://www.warprecords.com, http://www.forcedexposure.com/artists/anti.pop.consortium.html 81. Cex - Destination: Sexy - Oops, I Did It Again Tigerbeat 6, http://tigerbeat6.com, http://www.brainwashed.com/cex 82. Poor Rich Ones - Things to Say... - Happy Happy Happy - Five One Inc. http://www.poorrichones.com, http://www.rec90.com, http://www.fiveoneinc.com 83. Crack Torch - Are You Ready? - Crack Torch.Is Not the Problem Curve of the Earth, http://www.neckbone.com 84. Tim "Love" Lee - Again Son - Confessions of a Selecter Tummy Touch, http://www.tummytouch.com 85. Mogwai - 2 Rights Make 1 Wrong - Rock Action Matador Records, http://www.mogwai.co.uk, http://www.matadorrecords.com 86. Detroit Grand Pubas - Sandwiches - Funk All Y'all Jive Electro, http://www.detriotgrandpubahs.com, http://www.jiveelectro.com 87. Yukari Fresh - Cook Some Dishes - New Year's Fresh Escalator, http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~yogok, http://www.escalator.co.jp 88. Lemon Jelly - A Tune for Jack Lemon - Jelly, KY XL/Beggars, http://www.lemonjelly.ky, http://www.xlrecording.com 89. The Phenomenological Boys - Do You See Me On My Knees? Meet the Sorry Sisters - self-released 90. Pink and Brown - Je Suis Nasty - Final Foods ToYo Records, http://www.toyorecords.com 90.1. Zero 7 - In the Waiting Line - Simple Things Ultimate Dilemma, http://www.ultimate-dilemma.com 90.2. Electrelane - Spartakiade - Rock It to the Moon Let's Rock!/Mr. Lady, http://www.electrelane.com, http://www.mrlady.com 90.3. Future Pilot AKA - Om Namah Shivaya - tiny waves, mighty sea Domino Records, http://www.futurepilotaka.com, http://www.dominorecordco.com ******************************************* ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:34:24 EST From: DOUDIE@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Britpop question So the three new hyped up Brit Pop acts are Starsailor, Elbow and Clinic. I also heard a pretty great Oasis ripoff by I am Kloot called "Morning Rain" and an extremely Fixx sounding song by Planet funk when I was in Istanbul. Has anyone bought these records? I also heard an Elbow song on some compilation that sounded like Fish era Marillion.... I am intrigued. Cheers, Steve Matrick np The Shins- Oh Inverted World- First listen in that snow storm last week hooked me immediately. A great winter record. One of the more convicingly 60's sounding records ever. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:45:42 -0800 From: ana luisa morales Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Britpop question At 10:34 AM 01/25/2002 EST, DOUDIE@aol.com wrote: >So the three new hyped up Brit Pop acts are Starsailor, Elbow and Clinic. I >also heard a pretty great Oasis ripoff by I am Kloot called "Morning Rain" >and an extremely Fixx sounding song by Planet funk when I was in Istanbul. > >Has anyone bought these records? I also heard an Elbow song on some >compilation that sounded like Fish era Marillion.... I am intrigued. i'm not familiar w/ elbow, altho' i have two friends that are all abt britpop. i've enjoyed what i've heard of i am kloot (current fave of one buddy), and clinic.... most comments i've heard re: starsailor have been negative. it made absolutely no impression on me when i heard it..... - --ana * "no symmetry"**albany california usa* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:50:43 -0500 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Britpop question Clinic have come up on this list a few times. I like them a lot, but I'm not sure that everyone would. They're a mixture of very overtly lifted aspects of the Velvet Underground, Modern Lovers, Violent Femmes and Suicide, with an art-school meets garage-band approach to recording. I'm with John Peel and Radiohead in thinking that they're one of the most interesting bands around. They have a new album coming out in February. Meanwhile, I'd recommend their self-titled singles collection (with the black and white cover) by a nose over their debut album "Internal Wrangler." They did a live appearance at WFMU, and the show is available by Realaudio (though it doesn't seem to be working right this minute.) The link is about halfway down the page at: http://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/872 - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:44:52 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Britpop question > Starsailor, Elbow Starsailor and Elbow are both firmly in the even-more-boring-than-Travis-and-the-Stereophonics-have-become camp for me. If you have spare tolerance for this sort of thing the alternative I recommend is Unbelievable Truth (which is actually Thom Yorke's younger brother's band, but they don't sound anything like Radiohead). glenn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:45:44 -0500 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Handedness > I'll wade in belatedly on this. The constant with batting right (baseball) > and shooting left (hockey), as most right handed people do, is that it puts > the right hand on top and that is the hand that provides the fine control. How about golf? One of the hardest things about learning that sport is that the left arm has to provide the strength for a right-handed drive - the right arm is simply supposed to guide. And yet, the right hand is on top. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:42:28 -0500 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Can't see my pinkie On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:59:17 -0800 (PST), Robert Toren wrote: > several people have sneered that *everyone* has a >blind spot, but they can't find theirs! > so, what's the scoop? everyone has a blind spot It is where the optic nerve goes out the back of the eyeball. The brain compensates, so we don't think about it unless we try to see it. There are a few ways to find it, but the best is when your optometrist does a vision fields test. I always messed them up because they expect the blind spot to be in about the same spot for everyone, but in my right eye, it is somewhere else. Probably because of the two surgeries I had as a child. See http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/blindspot1.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:48:30 -0500 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Can't see my pinkie > i have a big blind spot in my right eye_ if a hold my > spread fingers at arm's length (palm out), close my > left eye, and focus on my thumb, i can't see my > pinkie_ just... void! > several people have sneered that *everyone* has a > blind spot, but they can't find theirs! > so, what's the scoop? My understanding is that everyone has a blind spot in each eye - it's the place where the nerves in the retina bundle up and exit the eye to become the optic nerve. Fortunately, the spot is off to the side. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:18:26 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 DOUDIE@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/23/02 10:19:05 PM, mlmitton@phoenix.Princeton.EDU writes: > > << Eban & Charley" serves as further proof > that Merritt's prolific investigations within the limited template > of the pop song continues to produce unforeseen and compelling > results. [MC] >> > > Another typical example of how nauseating rock writing can be. Did anyone > else fell the urge to vomit after reading that? Uh, not really. Not that it's the greatest writing ever or anything, but I'm not sure, even after your explanation, what you're objecting to. Let's see... "serves as further proof": not quite the same as simply "proves," in that he wants to suggest that Merritt's been consistent at what he does; "prolific": I don't like the word "prolific" - what, is Merritt spawning rabbits? - but again, he's backing up the consistency by noting that it's consistency across a large body of material; "investigations within the limited template of the pop song": Okay, here it gets a bit iffy. "Investigations" is a bit much - it implies something like dilettantism, or maybe an odd note of sniffing around expecting to find something unsavory. "Template" is too specific - I don't think "pop songs" are *that* limited; "continues to produce": editing needed: we already had "serves as further proof" to get across the idea that Merritt's consistent, so we don't need to reiterate that here. In retrospect, I'd dump "serves as further proof" and just say "proves," probably; "unforeseen and compelling results": "Unforeseen" is a bit odd - does he mean Merritt, too, stumbles upon them blindly? But I get the idea: he's trying to say that Merritt gets more from the pop song than one might expect, or that one might expect from one performer. "Compelling" is self-explanatory. So I'd dump one phrase and reword two or three more - but my keyboard is safe from anything I've eaten for quite a while yet. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ np: The Orb _The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld_ disc 1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:27:08 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 dana-boy@juno.com wrote: > Here's an amazing story, for the NY contingent. I was in Kim's last > night and they were playing something really nice in the store. I asked > the guy what it was and he told me (it was a promo copy of something > coming out next month). Then, while I was paying for my purchases, he > walked over and *gave* me the promo. Thereby depriving the artist and label of their *royalties*! You naughty boy - return it immediately. Unless, of course, you promptly buy the real release when it comes out, right? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::To be the center of the universe, don't orbit things:: __Scott Miller__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:33:12 -0500 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt Then, while I was paying for my purchases, he > walked over and *gave* me the promo. Thereby depriving the artist and label of their *royalties*! You naughty boy - return it immediately. >>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the print on the CD says that it must be returned to Teenbeat on request, so unless you've recently switched jobs, I'm afraid I must demur. Anway, Doug already took me to court over this issue, and the settlement agreement included an order to seal all records and indemnified me against any future lawsuits. Also, despite my explicit instructions to the contrary, it appears that many of the pertinent and possibly incriminating documents were shredded by lower level employees acting on their own. I deeply regret this occurrence and am taking steps to ensure that it does not happen again. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:38:42 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Handedness Dan Sallitt wrote: > > I'll wade in belatedly on this. The constant with batting right (baseball) > > and shooting left (hockey), as most right handed people do, is that it puts > > the right hand on top and that is the hand that provides the fine control. > > How about golf? One of the hardest things about learning that sport is > that the left arm has to provide the strength for a right-handed drive - > the right arm is simply supposed to guide. And yet, the right hand is > on top. Only if you're playing cross-handed. In a regular right-handed golf grip (be it overlapping or interlocking or whatever), the right hand is below the left hand on the grip, and provides the strength while the left hand provides the steering. That's why the left arm is supposed to be kept straight, while the right arm pronates and then supinates (or is it the other way around?) to provide the power and generate the clubhead speed. Because the hands are "up" on a baseball bat at address and "down" on a golf club at address, the batter's top hand is the golfer's bottom hand, but they're both the right hand for right-handed players. I didn't play a lot of hockey growing up, but if most right-handers shoot the puck from the left side, that might explain the high number of left handed golfers in Canada, where kids grow up playing a lot of hockey. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:49:28 -0600 From: zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Swap Review: Round & Round (half-hijacked to handedness) Quoting Jon Gabriel : > --- Andrew Hamlin wrote: > > >Little Feat, "Dixie Chicken" (Don't care for > > southern > > >rock.) > > > > Not to bust Jon's chops at all, but, a band formed > > in Los Angeles, by two alumnae of The Mothers (of > > Invention), is "southern rock"...how? > > It says "Dixie" in the song title, ergo, it must be > Southern Rock. Q.E.D. > > I don't know anything about Little Feat, so I made an > assumption. This song had a southern flair even if the > band was short one Van Zandt brother. > It's named after a restaurant in College Station, TX, so I think by title alone it can be considered southern rock. Never heard the song before though, so no comments on whether it sounds like Sknyrd. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:56:23 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt, or, Notes toward a syntactical deconstruction of inflated authorial ego On 1/25/02, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 DOUDIE@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 1/23/02 10:19:05 PM, >>mlmitton@phoenix.Princeton.EDU writes: >> >> << Eban & Charley" serves as further proof >> that Merritt's prolific investigations within the limited template >> of the pop song continues to produce unforeseen and compelling >> results. [MC] >> >> >> Another typical example of how nauseating rock writing can be. Did anyone >> else fell the urge to vomit after reading that? > >Uh, not really. Not that it's the greatest writing ever or anything, but >I'm not sure, even after your explanation, what you're objecting to. I think what sets Michael and I off is that this needlessly complicated wordiness serves mainly to advertise the writer as an intellectual and an authority. It's hard to read, doesn't represent the way anyone actually talks, and doesn't make any important points. It's wanky. It reminds me of the Simpsons' Comic Book Guy. (I believe it was Rolling Stone that started this style of rock writing: at the beginning it may have been excusable as the rather touching attempt of a bunch of guys* barely out of their teens to proclaim their subject, and themselves, important, but it quickly evolved into an infuriating arrogance that tarnishes everything exposed to it. * The women on the staff didn't write this way.) To respond to your points (which are expressed in admirably clear and unpretentious style, I should add): >"serves as further proof": not quite the same as simply "proves," in that >he wants to suggest that Merritt's been consistent at what he does; Presumably, this point was already made earlier in the review during a brief recap of Merritt's career; but if it wasn't, it should have been made in another sentence, not via indirection. By recap I mean the standard introduction that begins even a one-paragraph review, letting the reader know who the artist is: "In the last ten years, Stephen Merritt has released..." Finally, if there wasn't room for such a recap, the reviewer should have written what almost anyone would say again in normal speech: "proves again". This serves as further proof of my own point. >"prolific": I don't like the word "prolific" - what, is Merritt spawning\ >rabbits? - but again, he's backing up the consistency by noting that it's >consistency across a large body of material; This point would also have been made in the recap. The word "prolific" is really just an artifact of the reviewer's logorrhea. >"investigations within the limited template of the pop song": Okay, here >it gets a bit iffy. "Investigations" is a bit much - it implies something >like dilettantism, or maybe an odd note of sniffing around expecting to >find something unsavory. "Template" is too specific - I don't think "pop >songs" are *that* limited; Another double whammy of pretentiousness. Referring to some Platonic pop-song "template" should be reserved for the kind of social sciences journal that refers to books as "texts." And who investigates "within" a subject? >"continues to produce": editing needed: we already had "serves as further >proof" to get across the idea that Merritt's consistent, so we don't need >to reiterate that here. In retrospect, I'd dump "serves as further proof" >and just say "proves," probably; Absolutely. >"unforeseen and compelling results": "Unforeseen" is a bit odd - does he >mean Merritt, too, stumbles upon them blindly? But I get the idea: he's >trying to say that Merritt gets more from the pop song than one might >expect, or that one might expect from one performer. "Compelling" is >self-explanatory. ...if cliched and overwritten. In what sense was the writer compelled? What does the reader learn from the word "compelling" that the word "enjoyable" or even "very good" wouldn't have told him? I can just imagine this writer as a dinner guest, praising the host for a "compelling" meal. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:57:56 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Handedness Dan S., then Steve: > > How about golf? One of the hardest things about learning that sport is > > that the left arm has to provide the strength for a right-handed drive - > > the right arm is simply supposed to guide. And yet, the right hand is > > on top. > > Only if you're playing cross-handed. In a regular right-handed golf > grip (be it overlapping or interlocking or whatever), the right hand is > below the left hand on the grip, and provides the strength while the > left hand provides the steering. That's why the left arm is supposed to > be kept straight, while the right arm pronates and then supinates (or is > it the other way around?) to provide the power and generate the clubhead > speed. I have to side with Dan here about where the strength comes from in golf--the left arm. I took some golf lessons in high school, and that was just about the first thing they taught us. They even had us take swings consciously avoiding putting any power in with the right arm. Ambidextrously, - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:05:39 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt, or, Notes toward a syntactical deconstruction of inflated authorial ego > >> Another typical example of how nauseating rock writing can be. Did anyone > >> else fell the urge to vomit after reading that? > > > >Uh, not really. Not that it's the greatest writing ever or anything, but > >I'm not sure, even after your explanation, what you're objecting to. > > I think what sets Michael and I off is that this needlessly Um, to clarify, the he-said she-said has gotten garbled in this thread. Although it's hard to tell why I started this thread, I did, but I never opined on the offending sentence. (I'd probably side mostly with JeFF) Remember Halstead and Merritt? I can report that the Halstead is quite good, though not so gushing as Other Music wanted to be. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:13:24 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Introduction (to Jazz) At 03:46 PM 1/24/02 -0500, Dan Sallitt wrote: >Someone once told me that Mingus's music was the rock 'n' roll of jazz, >and I've actually enjoyed some of what I've heard ("Hog Callin' Blues" >is pretty cool). It hasn't led to a general breakthrough yet, though. I've probably said this here, but my real introduction to jazz came from my college girlfriend Terry, who listened to little else. (Before we were dating, I'd always "appreciated" jazz more than I actively "liked" it, with the exception of KIND OF BLUE, an album I think is pretty much impossible not to like.) This is just me, but my own "Oh, I get it now" experience was Rahsaan Roland Kirk, especially his Atlantic period (1968-75). (Kirk played with Mingus in the early '60s, incidentally.) His Atlantic material slips between pop standards, free jazz cacophony and gutbucket funk, sometimes all in the same song, with all of it spiced with weird noises, abrupt tempo changes and other oddities. Some people can't stand Kirk (they think his tendency to play two or three reed instruments at once is just a silly gimmick) and even a lot of the people who like him think his Mercury stuff from the '60s is his creative pinnacle. I don't necessarily disagree with that, I just think his Atlantic stuff is both weirder and more accessible. His producer, Joel Dorn, has reissued most of his Atlantic stuff on his own 32 Records label, and there's an okay but not amazing two-disc comp on Rhino called DOES YOUR HOUSE HAVE LIONS covering this era. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:17:26 -0800 From: "Brandon J. Carder" Subject: [loud-fans] Suzi Z Sighting! Someone just asked about Suzi Ziegler and who do you think popped up out of the blue playing bass on Joe Davis' _Hope Chest_ record last year? Why Ms. Ziegler, of course. http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A5c6atrprkl1x MP3s at http://inmusicwetrust.com Now if I could only find Fred Juhos... - -bjc Cypress House/QED/Lost Coast Press Publishers of Exotic Paper Airplanes by Thay Yang and Tales From the Mountain by Pulitzer Prize nominee, Miguel Torga We don't rent pigs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:36:04 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Suzi Z Sighting! >Now if I could only find Fred Juhos... Mr. Juhos was living in Seattle as of a few years back. However, he no longer appears in the Seattle Telephone Directory. Pity. Andy "Rejecting God doesn't require you to go off the deep end, nor are you required to adopt Stanley Kubrick's fantasy life as your own." - --Dan Savage, from http://www.thestranger.com/current/savage.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:34:04 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt, or, Notes toward a syntactical deconstruction of inflated authorial ego At 11:56 AM 1/25/02 -0800, John Cooper wrote: >>"investigations within the limited template of the pop song": Okay, here >>it gets a bit iffy. "Investigations" is a bit much - it implies something >>like dilettantism, or maybe an odd note of sniffing around expecting to >>find something unsavory. "Template" is too specific - I don't think "pop >>songs" are *that* limited; > >Another double whammy of pretentiousness. Referring to some Platonic >pop-song "template" should be reserved for the kind of social >sciences journal that refers to books as "texts." And who >investigates "within" a subject? In pretty much every other case, I would agree that this is a load of wank, but I *think* I understand what this guy's trying to put across. He's just not doing it very well. However, Stephin Merritt himself has said that his albums tend to start from an idea of exploring a specific musical style and then writing songs within those stylistic constraints, basically as exercises. So you have records like THE CHARM OF THE HIGHWAY STRIP, which starts from the idea of "Now I'm going to write country songs," or the Gothic Archies EP, or even 69 LOVE SONGS itself. Maybe I'm wrong, but if that's how Merritt approaches his projects, then I see why terms like "template" and "investigation" might fit. It really only falls apart because the guy doesn't point out that each album is investigating a *different* template, or apparently realize that templates are by definition limited, or else they wouldn't be freakin' templates. Stewart NP: LUCKY 7 -- The Reverend Horton Heat (investigations within the limited template of boozin', cruisin', fightin' 'n' fuckin', in roughly that order of importance) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:58:05 -0500 (EST) From: jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt, or, Notes toward a syntactical deconstruction of inflated authorial ego Quoting Stewart Mason : However, Stephin Merritt himself has said that > his > albums tend to start from an idea of exploring a specific musical style > and > then writing songs within those stylistic constraints, basically as > exercises. When I want exercises within stylistic constraints, I'll watch Richard Simmons!!! Hi Janet! JS - ------------------------------------------------- BROOKLYN LAW SCHOOL WEBMAIL: pcm2.brooklaw.edu ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #37 ******************************