From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #34 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, January 24 2002 Volume 02 : Number 034 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Handedness ["Keegstra, Russell" ] Re: [loud-fans] Handedness ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] Introduction [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] That 80's Show ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] Introduction (Handedness Roundtable) ["Brendan Curry" ] [loud-fans] LN CD (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] Handedness [] Re: [loud-fans] Handedness ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] Handedness ["John Swartzentruber" ] Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt [DOUDIE@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt [] Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt ["O Geier" ] Re: [loud-fans] Handedness [Janet Ingraham Dwyer ] Re: [loud-fans] Shopping [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] Handedness [Steve Holtebeck ] [loud-fans] Dominant eye (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] Introduction [Dan Schmidt ] Re: [loud-fans] Handedness [dmw ] [loud-fans] Learned hands [John Cooper ] RE: [loud-fans] Introduction ["Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" ] Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt ["Dennis McGreevy" Subject: [loud-fans] Handedness Janet: >I'm suddenly wondering if mixed-up handedness is an indicator of >loud-fanness. I am solidly right handed, although I play hockey left handed. Or at least played; there's not much pond hockey in Arizona. When my mother was very young and not showing any hand favoritism her school folk took her aside and handed her an object 100 times. 52 times she took it with her left hand, so they made her left handed. Now she's not very happy about that. Russ In early 2000, Clawson, MI teen Justin Rushford was ticketed for violating the town's loud-radio ordinance while blasting rap music from his car. The sentence passed down by Judge Michael Martone ordered Rushford to purchase Wayne Newton's 1993 Greatest Hits album and spend two hours listening to the legendary entertainer belt out classics like "Danke Schoen." "I think the punishment fits the crime," Martone said. AllMusic Guide Factoid ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:00:15 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Handedness Like most of my favorite baseball players, I throw right handed but bat left. The thing about that, though, is that "batting left-handed" really isn't the appropriate way of describing it, since no matter which way you bat you use both hands. It's actually "batting from the left side of the plate," but since when do sportscasters and sportswriters let accuracy get in the way of the points they're trying to make? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:01:26 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Introduction At Wednesday 1/23/2002 11:41 PM -0500, Janet Ingraham Dwyer wrote: >I'm suddenly wondering if mixed-up handedness is an indicator of >loud-fanness. I do everything right-handed. And I do mean EVERYTHING. Okay, okay, sometimes I'll eat using the fork in my left hand, but that's just because I was apparently "raised in a barn" and am too lazy to do the proper thing and switch the fork to my right hand after using the knife. I think I do tend to favor my left foot a bit though. Later. --Rog P.S. Jeff, it is NOT safe to talk about Michael Quercio. We don't want a flock of Satan worshippers suddenly joining the List. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:02:53 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] That 80's Show >close. Okay, the record store owner clearly melds Annie Potts of PRETTY IN >PINK with the Jack Blackian aspects of conscience at Championship Vinyl. > I was disappointed with that character since I'd seen Margaret Smith's stand-up routines and find her hilarious, much funnier than the character they wrote for her. To be honest, the show was only entertaining because of the moments when we were able to say "oh yeah, I remember that," but it's not like I really expected much more. I had the same reaction to THE WEDDING SINGER. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:03:18 +0000 From: "Brendan Curry" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Introduction (Handedness Roundtable) Janet wrote: >This bit of Brendan's bio piqued my interest too, actually. I write and >use eating utensils left-handed(ly?), but I cut with scissors, throw >(baseballs and darts - footballs are beyond me entirely), shoot >basketballs, and use a mouse right-handed(ly?). It's not ambidextrousness, >at least not as I understand that phenomenon, since I'm clumsy-to-incapable >when attempting any of those actions with the opposite hand. This is the >first I've ever heard someone else claim similar handedness. I say: That's an accurate description of my own handedness as well. The only thing I've been able to glean from the condition is the following, woefully unscientific hypothesis: For whatever reason, I developed very good fine motor control in my left hand, while at the same time developing significant strength in my right. On the whole, my entire right arm is stronger than my left, hence its superior ability in foot-baseball dart games. My left arm and hand are more touchy-feely, good at writing and drawing, but not very strong or accurate when throwing things. But, I wonder, are they two completely different types of dexterity (hitting footballs with darts v. drawing a circle) or different strains of the same hand eye relationship? Anyone? A few other people have brought up some stories about being forced into a certain handedness. This was certainly the case with my mother, who, being a lefty at a bad time for lefties, was forced to learn to write with her right hand. Consequently, her pennmanship is nun-perfect. Janet also wrote: >I'm suddenly wondering if mixed-up handedness is an indicator of >loud-fanness. (I'm not sure "indicator" is the proper term; I mean an >attribute that suggests a predisposition to another attribute). I say: I'm not sure. I think a more indicative attribute would be the fact that when I played soccer as a child (right-footed) I spent very little time paying attention to the game, to the chagrin of all involved, and a lot more time watching planes fly overhead. There was a small airfield nearby so they were nice and low. Brendan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:22:35 EST From: DOUDIE@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt In a message dated 1/23/02 10:19:05 PM, mlmitton@phoenix.Princeton.EDU writes: << Eban & Charley" serves as further proof that Merritt's prolific investigations within the limited template of the pop song continues to produce unforeseen and compelling results. [MC] >> Another typical example of how nauseating rock writing can be. Did anyone else fell the urge to vomit after reading that? steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:12:11 -0800 From: "Brandon J. Carder" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Introduction (dexterity) Beloved Janet Sez: > I'm suddenly wondering if mixed-up handedness is an indicator of > loud-fanness. (I'm not sure "indicator" is the proper term; I mean an > attribute that suggests a predisposition to another attribute). Sure, this > is a goof, but the diversity discussion is genuinely interesting. What > sorts of attributes do all or most of us have in common? (you can leave out > inordinate kindness to Janet; I already noted that one many times) Discuss. > Like Rog I do everything on the right side. Well, maybe I can't really say just how *alike* we are but I do have similar, if not worse, difficulties with silverware. I have found that it makes me a rather boring turntablist, though. By the way it is said Billy the Kid gave up the use of his right hand for all but doing intensive finger exercises and firing his revolver. After he quit driving cattle (and embarked on a career as a gunslinger), he began to force himself to use his left hand to do everything. Consequently, his right was slender and pink, and as was remarked on more than one occasion at the observers' considerable risk, soft like a newborn babe. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:40:20 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Handedness On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Aaron Milenski wrote: > Like most of my favorite baseball players, I throw right handed but bat > left. The thing about that, though, is that "batting left-handed" really > isn't the appropriate way of describing it, since no matter which way you > bat you use both hands. It's actually "batting from the left side of the > plate," but since when do sportscasters and sportswriters let accuracy get > in the way of the points they're trying to make? Which is why it's a surprise there aren't more sportswriters on Loudfans... Actually, I think the description is accurate - since when batting from the right side of the plate (from the pitcher's perspective - i.e., what's called "right-handed"), one's right arm provides more force in swinging the bat than one's left arm. Any physiologist on the list could tell us exactly which muscles are used in the right arm vs. in the left arm - but it's clear that there's more force available from the right arm in that posture than from the left. So it makes sense to place one's strongest arm in that position - i.e., left-handed people bat the reverse. Me, I'm right-handed - although when I played a lot of baseball in my youth, I tried to switch-hit for a while...did okay. (Now the diamonds are all gone.) If you meet me and want to be greatly amused, force me to try to write with my left hand. You'd get more legible writing from a paralyzed duck. (Of course, some have said that about my right-handed script...) As for the guitar thing: I've often wondered about the history of the instrument vis a vis its playing technique. Unless you're doing a lot of fancy picking, finer motor skills are required of the *left* hand than of the right in the standard, "right-handed" position...which has always puzzled me. Reminds me of a couple of further bio items: unlike most Loudfans, I have never been in a band, nor have I ever had a show on college radio. An extreme inability to be blind to my lack of talent prevented the first, and UW Madison *has* no college radio (or didn't at the time - at least not in the student-run, playing weird music sense of "college radio"). I was briefly involved in a group trying to get one started - but it quickly fell apart, once the majority of people attending meetings realized they were *not* going to become DJs within a week, and that instead most meetings were lengthy slogs through FCC regulations, engineering issues, where to build a tower, etc. etc. Jeff Ceci n'est pas une .sig ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:50:24 -0500 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] LN CD (ns) Someone has a LN CD on eBay right now w/Buy It Now for $49.99. While the price of LN on CD has been dropping lately, this is still a nice chance to pick it up without any hassle. I hate hassle. The link is: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1505636629 - --dana np: Swans/"The Great Annihilator" ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:54:58 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Handedness Hey guys: Batting from the right side of the plate really is batting right-handed (and vice versa), since most right-hand dominant people bat that way. Me, I'm right-handed except I eat lefty and originally played drums left-handed (but was switched when I started taking lessons). Like Dana, I'm also left-eye dominant. What does that mean? Well, if you shoot a rifle, you need to hold it left-handed (right hand supports barrel, left hand on trigger) in order to align the sights correctly. JS On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Aaron Milenski wrote: > > > Like most of my favorite baseball players, I throw right handed but bat > > left. The thing about that, though, is that "batting left-handed" really > > isn't the appropriate way of describing it, since no matter which way you > > bat you use both hands. It's actually "batting from the left side of the > > plate," but since when do sportscasters and sportswriters let accuracy get > > in the way of the points they're trying to make? > > Actually, I think the description is accurate - since when batting from > the right side of the plate (from the pitcher's perspective - i.e., what's > called "right-handed"), one's right arm provides more force in swinging > the bat than one's left arm. Any physiologist on the list could tell us > exactly which muscles are used in the right arm vs. in the left arm - but > it's clear that there's more force available from the right arm in that > posture than from the left. So it makes sense to place one's strongest arm > in that position - i.e., left-handed people bat the reverse. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:02:43 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Handedness >Batting from the right side of the plate really is batting right-handed >(and vice versa), since most right-hand dominant people bat that way. I don't think it's that simple, since A LOT of right-hand dominant people bat from the left side. If it really was "right-handed" then wouldn't all (or almost all) right-handed people do it that way? I would say that when batting "lefty", I feel my right hand more, and it is the one in front. We need a physical therapist here to tell us the truth about this. And while we're at it, I've yet to hear any satisfactory explanation for why there are no left-handed catchers. As to the guitar, yes, when you play right-handed your left hand does most of the fine motor-type work, but your right hand definitely is the one that uses the most strength. Nonetheless, in order to be good at their instruments musicians (include drummers and keyboardists here too) have to be more ambidextrous than other people in order to be good at their craft. Maybe that explains why so many of them are crazy--they have to fight their natural impulses every day of their lives! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:05:28 -0500 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Handedness On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:54:58 -0500 (EST), jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu wrote: >Like Dana, >I'm also left-eye dominant. What does that mean? Well, if you shoot a >rifle, you need to hold it left-handed (right hand supports barrel, left >hand on trigger) in order to align the sights correctly. And you are more likely to smash your nose on a camera. So I guess being left-eye dominant is the true sign of a loud-fan. Which end of a hard-boiled egg do we eat first? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:11:46 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] Shopping Broke my coffee pot the other night, around 9:00. Since I 'need' coffee in the morning, I realized I had to go out and get a replacement. Due to the hour, I reluctantly went to a nearby Wal-Mart, and walked the quarter mile from the front door to housewares. They didn't have the one I needed, so I left, and avoided making my third purchase ever there. I headed down the road, and remembered a store at the next exit. Popped in, and there it was, on sale. The store?? K-Mart. I got a new oil filter for my car, some jack stands, and some plastic ties for electronic projects (all stuff I've been meaning to buy). I don't LOVE K-Mart, but I don't MIND it. They have stuff Target doesn't have, and no airplane hangar length aisles to walk between items. I hope they survive, just so Wal-Mart 'won't win'. I realize now that I usually go to Target for things that I 'want', and to K-Mart for things that I 'need', like a bowling ball. I also realize that the areas I shop at K-Mart are not the ones that people are complaining about as disorganized and dirty, who I think are impulsive and consume simply to validate their walking through the door. Typically, I find everything I need quickly, usually because I know what I came for in the first place. I apologize as this is really non Loud Family related, but there's something troubling about this company being in danger that I can't put my finger on. It must be all those ICEES and air popped corn I consumed there as a kid. That and my white-hot hatred of Wal-Mart. Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:13:53 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 DOUDIE@aol.com wrote: > Another typical example of how nauseating rock writing can be. Did > anyone else fell the urge to vomit after reading that? Nope. In fact, with all due respect, I feel more icky being asked to get disgusted over a record store clerk's opinion. But maybe I'm not getting it -- what did you find so repulsive? a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:14:59 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Handedness On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Aaron Milenski wrote: > I don't think it's that simple, since A LOT of right-hand dominant people > bat from the left side. I've always heard it said that the reason a lot of righties bat lefty is to take advantage of right-handed pitchers, which are prevalent. Note that hardly any lefty throwers hit righty. > And while > we're at it, I've yet to hear any satisfactory explanation for why there are > no left-handed catchers. I think lefty throwers are discouraged from a young age from catching because of the belief that they would be at a disadvantage trying to throw out base-stealers: there are more righty batters than lefty (especially at younger ages), which might interfere with the throw to second, and it's very difficult to make the quick throw to third. JS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:18:51 EST From: DOUDIE@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt I just thought it smelled of "I am so smart and must show the benefits my college education bestowed on me by wrapping up this record review with the wordiest sentence possible". Meanwhile, he doesn't warn the listener that there are ONLY six songs on this full price record. Maybe I have a secret beef against Other Music because I got a friend who is a shipping clerk there in trouble by having a sense of humor on their answering machine. I was basically told that Other Music doesn't appreciate being treated like a record store. Hrmph. (Of course, it is a great record store in its own way, I won't deny that). You asked. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:19:22 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 DOUDIE@aol.com wrote: > > > Another typical example of how nauseating rock writing can be. Did > > anyone else fell the urge to vomit after reading that? > > Nope. In fact, with all due respect, I feel more icky being asked to get > disgusted over a record store clerk's opinion. But maybe I'm not getting > it -- what did you find so repulsive? I'll back Matrick up - I thought it was nauseatingly condescending and sanctimonious, but in the same way I think Merritt is, so I almost didn't notice. JS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:19:24 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt <> Not vomit, but maybe blugeon him with my fists. It's pretty smarmy, akin to James Lipton on 'Inside the Actors Studio' (best parody ever of him was on Mr. Show, three years ago, before SNL though it worthy of their quarter-assed attempt). Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:28:20 -0500 From: Janet Ingraham Dwyer Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Handedness At 12:05 PM 01/24/2002 -0500, John Swartzentruber wrote: >So I guess >being left-eye dominant is the true sign of a loud-fan. > >Which end of a hard-boiled egg do we eat first? Hard-boiled eggs are yucky unless cut in half and the yolks pulped up with pickle relish, mustard and so forth, then scooped back into the boatlike whites or, preferably, piped back in, in a decorative fashion, and served at a picnic. Then, we eat the yolk part first by pressing the sides of the white part together for easier access, and toss the white part into the pond. In other news, I counted 73 (well, Eudora counted them for me) original entries so far in the "Introduction" thread that John started last week, which, given what I imagine to be the population of loud-fans, is a very impressive if not stunning participation level. These hi-my-name-ises have been illuminating and great fun to read, and are particularly welcome since I've just gotten back from a fairly lengthy unsub and missed meeting a lot of the newer folks. It's also grand in a back-when-I-was-young sense to see that so many of my old buddies are keeping the faith. affectionately, janet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:26:02 -0500 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Shopping I don't LOVE K-Mart, > but > I don't MIND it. >>>>>>>>>>> In NY, we're still blessedly Wal-Mart free. I like K-Mart for one big reason: their Rustler boot-cut dark blue denim jeans cost $9.99 and look great. During that brief period when dark blue denim jeans with the big cuffs were in style, the NY Times even did a small article pointing out that the K-Mart version was almost indistinguishable from a $250 designer pair. Aside from that, they have my permission to go out of business as long as NY continues to banWal-Mart. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:36:14 -0500 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt I just thought it smelled of "I am so smart and must show the benefits my college education bestowed on me by wrapping up this record review with the wordiest sentence possible". Meanwhile, he doesn't warn the listener that there are ONLY six songs on this full price record. Maybe I have a secret beef against Other Music because I got a friend who is a shipping clerk there in trouble by having a sense of humor on their answering machine. I was basically told that Other Music doesn't appreciate being treated like a record store. >>>>>>>>>>>> I just hate them because their store is too crowded and most of their staff are too busy shmoozing to actually help in any way. And did I mention that their store is too crowded? Probably the most over-rated shop in NYC, or maybe even the country. Here's an amazing story, for the NY contingent. I was in Kim's last night and they were playing something really nice in the store. I asked the guy what it was and he told me (it was a promo copy of something coming out next month). Then, while I was paying for my purchases, he walked over and *gave* me the promo. [For those who don't know Kim's, they are, how shall I put it, not known for their friendly staff.] My jaw is still dropping. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:46:46 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Handedness jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Aaron Milenski wrote: > > I don't think it's that simple, since A LOT of right-hand dominant people > > bat from the left side. > I've always heard it said that the reason a lot of righties bat lefty is > to take advantage of right-handed pitchers, which are prevalent. Note > that hardly any lefty throwers hit righty. Pedantically speaking, when you bat "right-handed", you're actually standing on the left side of the plate from your perspective, but the left side from the pitcher's perspective. I do almost everything left-handed but batted right-handed, because that's how everyone else did it, but I'm right-eye dominant, so top eye had trouble seeing the ball as thrown by right-handed pitchers, so I learned to switch-hit, just like Randy Johnson (who was in the same little league as me, even though I never batted against him). I also play golf right handed, because I learned (and got hand me down clubs) from my right-handed dad, and cut with right handed scissors (because lefty scissors really suck), but everything else is left-handed. Learning to play guitar left-handed is an uphill battle (which I gave up on at an early age), so I don't know how Hendrix ever got that good! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:58:50 -0500 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] Dominant eye (ns) Here's how to figure out which eye is dominant. http://www.nidek.com/dominant.html - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 2002 13:05:27 -0500 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Introduction Roger Winston writes: | Okay, okay, sometimes I'll eat using the fork in my left hand, but | that's just because I was apparently "raised in a barn" and am too | lazy to do the proper thing and switch the fork to my right hand after | using the knife. That's not raised in a barn, that's eating European style! - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:27:53 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Handedness On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Aaron Milenski wrote: > of the fine motor-type work, but your right hand definitely is the one that > uses the most strength. Nonetheless, in order to be good at their you've obviously never played my first bass. man, the action was ridiculous. but: i think it's fairly well accepted that a lot of what determines the personality/expressiveness of a player is on the dominant hand side of the instrument. um, dana, how are you rationalizing that promo, in copyright terms? just curious. and: the new granfaloon bus cd has been pushed back a month, i'm told. so don't run out and try to buy it day before yesterday. sorry. - -- d. - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:31:13 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: [loud-fans] Learned hands On 1/23/02, Janet Ingraham Dwyer wrote (in the message titled "Re: [loud-fans] Introduction"): >I'm suddenly wondering if mixed-up handedness is an indicator of >loud-fanness. For the record, I'm right-handed and can't think of a task in which my left hand does more than assist (except for activities which are equally distributed in essence, such as typing). The fingers of my left hand are slightly smaller than those of my right; I also favor the right eye, even though only my right eye is astigmatic (thanks for the cool link, Dana--the effect was more dramatic than I would have thought) and lead with my right foot. If you believe the theory about the left and right hemispheres of the brain being dedicated to reason and linear thinking versus emotion and intuition, you would think I'm an unbalanced "left brain" type--the sides of the brain controlling as they do the opposite sides of the body--but that's not so, either. I tend to favor intuition over reason, agree with Hume that rational arguments are constructed in order to bolster our gut feelings, and tend to identify with famous mystics. I'm not sure if it connects to handedness, but Dan Schmidt has a page on his site (http://www.dfan.org/visual.html) about his inability to visualize, which I share. I can, however, "hear" music in my head quite clearly. In fact, since yesterday morning, I've been "listening" to Garth Brooks' jingle for Dr. Pepper ("Be you--be what you do"), a state to which tinnitus is preferable. Janet also wrote (in the message titled "Re: [loud-fans] Handedness"): >Hard-boiled eggs are yucky unless cut in half and the yolks pulped up with >pickle relish, mustard and so forth, then scooped back into the boatlike >whites or, preferably, piped back in, in a decorative fashion, and served >at a picnic. Then, we eat the yolk part first by pressing the sides of the >white part together for easier access, and toss the white part into the pond. No, no. You eat the white part of the eggs after dusting them with Lawry's Seasoning Salt, then find someone who wants the yolk. And Steve Holtebeck wrote (in the message titled "Re: [loud-fans] Handedness"): >...so I learned to switch-hit, just like Randy Johnson (who was in >the same little league as me, even though I never batted against >him). Good thing, too. The thought of a middle-school "Mr. Snappy" delivered by a six-foot, mulleted sixth grader at young Steve's curly head is too terrible to contemplate. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:34:32 -0000 From: "Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Introduction Larry says: > It is hard indeed to get around the music you grew up with. > Thanks for the observation Dan. Maybe you, me and Ian should > consider sharing a room at the rest home. Not sure about sharing a room but put me down for a place at the Loud Fans Retirement Village :-) Jeff says: >But sampling the cassette to remember exactly *which* excerpts I used, >I still could barely stand to listen to ELP for more than a few >minutes... Other proggers fare better, notably Yes (particularly the >non-keyboard-dominated instrumental passages) and Genesis. Curiously I can listen to early ELP but have more trouble with Genesis these days. I was a huge Gabriel-era Genesis fan - first gig I saw was Genesis on the Foxtrot tour - but among the gems on Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling and Lamb there appears to be an awful lot of filler. And I absolutely hate The Battle of Epping Forest, all that cod Cockney accent stuff - and I live about 200 yards from Epping Forest! Yes I could never stomach when I was at school partly because I didn't hang out with a Yes crowd - my lot were more Sabbath, Purple, and Led Zep. But now I love Yes Album, Fragile, Close to the Edge. Ian Np Bittersweet - Victor Krummenacher (one of my topalbums of 2001 although I know it was released in 2000) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:40:56 -0500 From: Janet Ingraham Dwyer Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Learned hands At 10:31 AM 01/24/2002 -0800, John Cooper wrote: >No, no. You eat the white part of the eggs after dusting them with >Lawry's Seasoning Salt, then find someone who wants the yolk. An intriguing notion, but really, why waste Lawry's Seasoning Salt on anything other than Chex Mix? Janet, left-eyed and compensating for not having gummed up your inboxes lo these many days ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:44:29 -0000 From: "richblath" Subject: [loud-fans] Church-fans One for any remaining apostates www.thechurchband.com/news/index.phtml for news of the new world tour to support their forthcoming album. Richard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:42:55 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 DOUDIE@aol.com wrote: > I just thought it smelled of "I am so smart and must show the benefits > my college education bestowed on me by wrapping up this record review > with the wordiest sentence possible". Well, shit, you must hate me! I'm such a fancy-pants I don't even think that sentence was particularly wordy. Here it is again: ""Eban & Charley" serves as further proof that Merritt's prolific investigations within the limited template of the pop song continues to produce unforeseen and compelling results." That's actually fewer words than you used to dis it above. > Meanwhile, he doesn't warn the listener that there are ONLY six songs > on this full price record. Except by saying "Bracketed by a bevy of chillingly melancholy instrumental vignettes; reverbed pianos (standard, toy, and player), bouncing balls, blocks, bells and various and sundry percussive metallic warblings, are six fully developed songs." Man, I wish you'd quoted that one instead so we could be high-fiving each other instead of me getting all offended on behalf of People Who Use Adjectives Sometimes... there's no call for phrases like "various and sundry". And I always thought 'vignette' referred strictly to literary miniatures; I went and looked it up, and apparently its *original* meaning has to do with decorative visual art -- more appropriate for a soundtrack instrumental than a short story! Still, it wouldn't surprise if the writer didn't know any of this and was just hawking a gob. Well, whatever. My real allegiance is to the Boston Other Music, which doesn't seem to inspire the same sort of hatred as its forebear. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:04:51 -0500 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Learned hands |-----Original Message----- |From: Janet Ingraham Dwyer [mailto:janet@simplyliving.org] |Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:41 PM |To: loud-fans@smoe.org |Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Learned hands | | |At 10:31 AM 01/24/2002 -0800, John Cooper wrote: |>No, no. You eat the white part of the eggs after dusting them with |>Lawry's Seasoning Salt, then find someone who wants the yolk. | |An intriguing notion, but really, why waste Lawry's Seasoning |Salt on anything other than Chex Mix? Of primary importance for me the eggs must be from free range chickens, not necessarily organic and/or fertile, though these attribiutes are preferable, because the eggs from the caged birds just don't have any flavor by comparison. - -Larry Who just realized that I favor everything on the right side EXCEPT seeing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:08:22 -0500 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Handedness um, dana, how are you rationalizing that promo, in copyright terms? just curious. >>>>>>>>>>> Not quite sure what problem you're referencing. I don't see anything to rationalize. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:42:54 -0500 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Introduction |-----Original Message----- |From: Dan Sallitt [mailto:sallitt@post.harvard.edu] | |I've worked hard at acquiring new ears for some genres, and |I've had a little success here and there; but some kinds of |music I can't enjoy however hard I try to acclimate myself |now. Jazz, for instance, is such an uphill climb for me. |Even the simplest, oldest jazz rarely pleases me; I feel that |the building-block sounds of the music are something I never |came to associate with pleasure. | |- Dan Dan, I'm with you again on this jazz thing. Most jazz is extremely tedious for me to get through. Well maybe it's not actually tedium, because what most of my jazz friends find "relaxing" about jazz makes me feel incredibly agitated and looking for a melody I can grab on to. If a song isn't firmly rooted in a folk-pop-country-blues melody, I'd almost rather be in a dental chair listening to Montovani's million strings doing "Greensleeves". Classical music though, by and large are not a problem. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:13:43 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Introduction At 02:42 PM 1/24/02 -0500, Larry Tucker wrote: >Dan, I'm with you again on this jazz thing. Most jazz is extremely >tedious for me to get through. Well maybe it's not actually tedium, >because what most of my jazz friends find "relaxing" about jazz makes me >feel incredibly agitated and looking for a melody I can grab on to. If a >song isn't firmly rooted in a folk-pop-country-blues melody, I'd almost >rather be in a dental chair listening to Montovani's million strings >doing "Greensleeves". Classical music though, by and large are not a >problem. Okay, I can see why free jazz would leave you cold, then, but jazz is at least as stylistically varied as rock and roll. What kind of jazz is it that doesn't connect with you? I can think of tons of jazz artists whose music is incredibly melodic. Duke Ellington wrote some of the most amazing melodies of the 20th century. Then there's someone like Chet Baker, who some people derided when he appeared in the '50s because he played too pretty, or Stan Getz's bossa nova period, which is some of the most purely melodic music of its era. On the other hand, if your friends are listening to "relaxing" jazz, that suggests they're listening to Kenny G, who is to jazz as Michael Bolton is to rock. Stewart NP: DIG ARCHAEOLOGY, VOLUME 1 -- Space Negros ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:41:28 -0600 From: "Dennis McGreevy" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Halstead and Merritt without naming names: "Eban & Charley" serves as further proof that Merritt's prolific investigations within the limited template of the pop song continues to produce unforeseen and compelling results." <><><><><><><><> You're all missing the point, which is *really* that for all its soph-something, the sentence lacks subject verb agreement. fresh greens with a rasberry vignette, - --D P.S. I really should have mentioned this in my introduction, but it sorta slipped my mind at the time: I'm not Dennis Sacks. Haven't seen an intro from him, but regardless, he's his own Dennis. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #34 ******************************