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loud-fans-digest       Tuesday, January 22 2002       Volume 02 : Number 028



                               Today's Subjects:
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  [loud-fans] One more time, and then I'll shut up       [AWeiss4338@aol.com]
  [loud-fans] Re: One more time, and then I'll shut up   [AWeiss4338@aol.com]
  [loud-fans] RE: pointed accounrs     ["Brett Milano" <muso@mindspring.com>]
  Re: [loud-fans] Intro publishing (was: Re: here there and  everywhere)  [J]
  Re: [loud-fans] movie opinion  [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey <jenor@csd.uwm.e]
  RE: [loud-fans] pointed accounts of people you know  ["Ian Runeckles & Ang]

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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:54:57 EST
From: AWeiss4338@aol.com
Subject: [loud-fans] One more time, and then I'll shut up

Sorry for all the cross posting.
It isn't fancy but it does the job. Now you'll know everything about my book, 
and a little about me. 
I'm also, for the AOL people, having a virtual book signing party on Qink, 
AOL's gay/lesbian writers chat. It's keyword writer, then chat rooms, and the 
Den. I would love it if you came. I wish this could be for everyone, but only 
AOL people can chat in this room, as it's exclusive.
<A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/aweiss4338/httpwwwgreatbigsomethingindex.html">http://hometown.aol.com/aweiss4338/httpwwwgreatbigsomethingindex.html</A> 
Andrea

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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:07:00 EST
From: AWeiss4338@aol.com
Subject: [loud-fans] Re: One more time, and then I'll shut up

PS the chat is next Thursday at 10 PM EST.
Andrea

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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:46:19 -0500
From: "Brett Milano" <muso@mindspring.com>
Subject: [loud-fans] RE: pointed accounrs

I;d like to submit myself as a special case, both because I've never met a
single loud-fan since joining this list (have had a couple nice e-mail
exchanged, however), and because I discovered there are at least five people
on this list that I already knew! Including at least one friend who has been
on this list for years, and never posted once!

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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:43:04 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey <jenor@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Intro publishing (was: Re: here there and  everywhere)

On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, West Moran wrote:

> Maybe you could create a version for those of us with Palm Pilots, so we can
> have a sort of GLFPS (Global LoudFan Positioning System).

That wouldn't be necessary for me - I'm always right here in my own head.

And where my head is, well, I'm sure someone will tell me.

- --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey

J e f f r e y   N o r m a n
The Architectural Dance Society
www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html
::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me?
__Captain Beefheart__

ps to Dana: Ha-ha, I found the missing note you stole! I'm using the CDRs
to evade ASCAP goons while running a copyright-free bar! Mwah-hah-hah-ha! 

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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:02:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey <jenor@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] movie opinion

On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Carolyn Dorsey wrote:

> When I see a movie that lingers a little too long on a subject I wonder what
> was the director trying to convey in that --like just focusing on someones
> face or a scene or what ever too long .  I feel like I'm supposed to be
> moved and it's a pet peeve of mine.  I didn't feel this happened  in this
> movie.  What I mean by that is if it did happen it worked and I didn't feel
> that it was obvious.   This was a very sad and serious movie but I didn't
> feel there were too many tricks or elements of it designed just for mass
> appeal.

It might help to know that the director is also a photographer known for
his shots of Maine landscapes. Rose noted a certain similarity to David
Lynch (who's a painter) - not in tone or affect, but in the way some shots
seem designed to sink in visually, either before or instead of working in
terms of plot.

I will try not to include any spoilers here...things will make more sense
to those who've seen _In the Bedroom_ than to those who haven't...

I wasn't bothered by the pace at all; in fact, I think the pace greatly
assisted the plot. In bland outline, what happens seems rather
predictable, a series of movie cliches. But the slow pace (and some strong
acting performances - Spacek and whoever played Creepy Mustache Boy in
particular: from the first instant he was onscreen, I knew he was a jerk) 
allows us to see those apparently cliched situations as they evolve from
character, and they thereby come to seem almost inevitable rather than a
series of plot contrivances. 

What's interesting to me is the way the film places us pretty squarely in
the parents' moral universe: it's exceedingly hard not to sympathize with
their feelings, and to feel their actions - while technically "wrong" -
ultimately are justified.

However: that's while you're watching the film. To me, the closing shot of
Matt in bed suggested any number of things: did his actions change
anything, really? Certainly not the most obvious, painful, and impossible
thing - and not their marriage, either. And of course, especially given
the circumstances (not exactly *careful* - his best friend's land, etc.),
the action creates another huge and burdensome weight for them - no matter
how justified they might feel.

- --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey

J e f f r e y   N o r m a n
The Architectural Dance Society
www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html
::Oxygen isn't a text::
__David Robbins__

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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:58:01 -0000
From: "Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" <angela_and_ian@forestrd.ftech.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [loud-fans] pointed accounts of people you know

Steve writes:

> 1999: Aaron Mandel, Dan Sallitt, Ian Runeckles 

Add Dr Didier Leonard who was at the same ana-organised gathering where
I first met Steve in San Francisco...

My minimalist list in meet order: ana, Phil Gerrard, Didier Leonard,
Joe, Sue, Steve H, Bradley, Miles (and Melissa), and almost Stef Hurts
who was at the same Posies show in London.

Ian - happy because he finally found a copy of Camper van Beethoven's
Our Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart in Oxford Street HMV of all
places...

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