From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #23 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, January 18 2002 Volume 02 : Number 023 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Introduction [Dan Stillwell ] [loud-fans] Mr. Crowley ["Keegstra, Russell" ] [loud-fans] TV advisory (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] [loud-fans] Introduction ["Pete O." ] Re: Re: [loud-fans] getting it off my community chest ["Dennis McGreevy" ] Re: Re: [loud-fans] getting it off my community chest ["Dennis McGreevy" ] [loud-fans] test [Charity Stafford ] Re: [loud-fans] test ["Pete O." ] [loud-fans] Intro... ["Douglas Stanley" ] Re: [loud-fans] Introduction [Charity Stafford ] Re: [loud-fans] Introduction ["Dennis McGreevy" ] [loud-fans] Swap review: JeFF's number two [Jon Gabriel ] Re: [loud-fans] Introduction [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] inventory [Dan Schmidt ] [loud-fans] Very well [Dan Schmidt ] [loud-fans] Re: Introduction [Chris Burns ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Introduction [jenny grover ] [loud-fans] The intro and the outro [John Cooper ] RE: [loud-fans] Introduction [Elizabeth Setler ] [loud-fans] Very funny URL... ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Very funny URL... ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] getting it off my community chest [Elizabeth Setler Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Introduction This looks like as good a time to de-lurk as any. I used to post occasionally to the list and chat on IRC from 1996-1999, but lately I haven't had much to say. So I'll do it now. Name: Dan Stillwell Location: Beckley, WV Occupation: Sports writer for the _Beckley Register-Herald_ the past two years; before that I was sports editor for the _Welch Daily News_ for 19 years. Miles Goosens once worked for me! Married to: Mary for 14 years. Children: None Pets: dogs Maggie (14) and Kippy (13), plus cats T'Pau (14) and Midnight (2). My cat and best friend Grizzly (T'Pau's twin) died over a year ago and I'll never get over it. Birthday: 7/3/55; I can remember the principal telling my third grade class JFK had been shot. Beard: Of course! Weight: Well, at least I'm not whiny and self-centered. I swear! You do believe me, I hope? (Be quiet, Miles!) Vision Correction: Glasses, both reading and regular. I'm blind in the center of my left eye, thanks to macular degeneration six years ago (so much for it being an "old" person's disease). Met Janet: Unfortunately I haven't, but I corresponded with her many moons ago and she sent me a tape of early Scott Miller music. She really was/is the heart and soul of Loudfans. Loudfans Met: Miles Goosens, Tim Pintsch, Jeff Downing and the late Dave Marsteller. I also got a phone call from Andy Hamlin once. Met Scott: In Memphis, 1998. What a great guy! First Scott Musical Experience: Miles sent me a cassette of LN back in 1992. I played it and thought it was OK, but didn't listen to it again for maybe two years. One late night while I was working in the photographic darkroom I popped it in the boombox and was suddenly and totally enthralled. Hooked for life! Favorite ScottSongs: "Curse of the Frontierland," "Inverness," "The Waist and the Knees", "Here It Comes Tomorrow," "Good There Are No Lions in the Street," "One Will Be the Highway"... I could easily go on. The List: Sometimes it's too damned intellectual and precious for its own good, but I never could quite make myself unsub. However, I really miss reading the adventures of ana, Paula and Rainswept. Favorite Loud-Related artist: The aforementioned Paula Carino, a truly wonderful singer/writer/musician. "Aquacade" was my fave cd of 2001. Honorable Mention: Reign of Frogs. Most Memorable Non-Scott Musical Moment: Seeing Patti Smith in concert in Morgantown, WV, in 1976. Instrument: A Stratocaster that's dying from neglect Likes: Mac computers; my new Tivoli Audio Model 2 mini-system with added subwoofer (amazing clarity and bass from such small packages!); The Weather Channel; "Dark Shadows"; pizza! Dislikes: Most pro athletes (strange for a sports writer, huh? I can't stand dumb, overpaid jocks, but I thoroughly enjoy covering high school sports); computers running Windows. OK, see why I don't say much? Back to lurkerdom. DS801 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:49:06 -0600 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: [loud-fans] Mr. Crowley amy lewis psuedonyms her pets: >pets: maine coon cat, name of theophilus j. (aka theo, aka aleister prowly) Whenever Floyd is trying to guard a particularly nice rawhide bone from Pink, we refer to him as Aleister Growly. He is usually not amused. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:01:12 -0500 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] TV advisory (ns) I'm sure everyone who's interested knows already, but just to be safe, the Strokes are on Saturday Night Live this week. For everyone who missed the Velvet Underground, here's your chance to make up for it, by catching the most exciting band in rock 'n' roll at their peak. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 06:15:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete O." Subject: [loud-fans] Introduction Name: Pete Oatway Location: Toronto, Ontario Occupation: Controller for a small commodities/currency brokerage Education: B.Math Married: 1987 Children: Four (BGBG) ages 11 through 3 Pets: See above Birthyear: 1959 Beard: Since puberty, full, neatly trimmed (with a face like mine, etc.) Eyes: In reasonably good condition - fairly weak contacts during the day, glasses at night for TV/driving. I agree with the laser surgery consensus. It doesn't have a long enough track record to convince me. Oh yeah, I'm cheap too. Favorite things to do outside work: Running, gardening (but not concurrently). Favorite Scott album: PABARAT - Read several rave reviews about this band I'd never heard of. Decided to risk the purchase. Hooked ever since. Also, very smug about being able to track down all the GT releases in CD form before they vanished from the face of the earth (other than eBay). Met Janet: Who? Music Other Than Scott: Posies (and all their incarnations), David Sylvian, power-pop in general and (lately) jazz of the hard-bop variety. - - Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:00:30 -0600 From: "Dennis McGreevy" Subject: Re: Re: [loud-fans] getting it off my community chest Miles, then Jeff: > whose momma taught him that > you treat "Mc" as "Mac" because > "Mc" is an abbreviation of "Mac" Errr, I don't think it is, actually. <><><><><><><><> It's actually not an abbreviation or something you alphebetize. It's an ancient Irish siginfier for "This guy gets to go to the front of the line if the line is for something good, and to the back of the line if it's for something bad." This is no longer commonly known, believed or respected, but by the High Throne of Tara, it's true, I tell ya. - --DCMc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:08:52 -0600 From: "Dennis McGreevy" Subject: Re: Re: [loud-fans] getting it off my community chest Oh, and yes, I do know how to spell "alfabetize". - --D is for "Doh!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:19:04 -0500 (EST) From: Charity Stafford Subject: [loud-fans] test Sorry, all - I'm having trouble posting to the list... Charity ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:20:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] test - --- Charity Stafford wrote: > Sorry, all - I'm having trouble posting to the list... > > Charity No your not! - - Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:27:58 -0800 From: "Douglas Stanley" Subject: [loud-fans] Intro... Here we go... Note: I'm using Betsy's template since I'm trying to kiss up to her husband. *Name: Douglas Gilbert Stanley *Location: Beautiful Trabuco Canyon, CA (Born in San Diego - 10/16/63) *Occupation: Part of the PCB Layout group at a large semiconductor firm. *Would rather be: A decent Blackjack player *Married: Yes, to Michaela (female) who's not so crazy about Scott, but digs Anton and Ryan Adams. *Education: School of hard knocks *Children: 3 1/2 year old Allison *Age: 38 *House: Yes *Vision correction: Is very important to me. Lasik is scary. My sister had a terrifying experience with it. *Hobbies: Playing geetar while Allison dances. Dreaming of one day pulling out my 4 track again. *Met Janet: No, but certainly remember her from the "good ol' days". *Turned on to GT by: Enigma Variations *Most life-altering album (tie): Elvis Costello - My Aim is True / Long Ryders - Native Son *Current unobtainable holy grail: One day securing the MP3 of what may very well be the greatest song in the world - Musical Basket by the aforementioned Impatients. *Favorite current TV show: The Daily Show *Misc.: I like BOC, but not as much as Rog. And Chris H., I am down with the Ponies too!!! Last year, I finally honed my wagering techniques down to a perfect science thanks to none other than the mighty James Quinn. Go Baby Go, indeed. *Things I just don't understand: Chewing Gum and people who don't use their turn signals. *Last Scott sighting: Scramarama *Loud Fan Experience: Geez, I've met tons of them. They've all been nice, slender, and wonderfully good looking and well-behaved. Except for that one guy who's a freakin' madman. Doug S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:34:23 -0500 (EST) From: Charity Stafford Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Introduction I can't believe I'm still trying this after FOUR failed attempts...I fear there's some arcane bad interaction involved in trying to use the editor in telnet. Oh, well. (By the way, this puts me in the group on this list that uses a Unix shell account, but that's an old, old thread...) Name: Charity Stafford Location: Allston, MA Joined list: sometime in February 1994 Occupation: After 14 years in an increasingly awful job as a billing clerk, I made a major career change in 1999 when my mom retired and I took over her job as Adminstrative Coordinator for Surgical Education, which means that I work at a major Boston hospital doing all the admin stuff for an 11-week clinical clerkship for 3rd-year medical students. I create a schedule for 35-40 students at a time, troubleshoot during the clerkship, organize exams, collect evaluations avter it's all over, and crunch all the numbers to come up with the final grade. I love it here, and appreciate that it's a job that actually contributes in a small way to doing some good in the world. Marital Status: Imminant - 5/4/02! Children: None Pets: Two cats - Buster, a dapper tabby-and-white who's almost 12, and Monkey, a long-haired black kitten with a small white splash on his chest who's about 8 months old and doing his darnedest to live up to his name. Birthdate: 5/20/55 Vision correction: Yes, glasses. Met Janet: Unfortunately not, but like many old-timers on this list I've missed her civilizing influence and was delighted to see her reappear yesterday. Favorite Scott song: "I've Tried Subtlety" Pastimes: I dance on a women's Northwest morris team, Rose Galliard, and used to sing Balkan folk music but not in a really long time. I see a lot of movies, especially in September (I've been to the Toronto Film Festival every year since 1989) and February (I've tortured myself by attending a 24-hour sci-fi movie marathon most years since 1979, including the extra- brutal 10th one that ran 36 hours but made the mistake of running midnight through noon instead of noon through midnight...) I'm a good cook and a sporadic but enthusiastic baker, and I'm proud of having mastered doing pie crust from scratch. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:49:08 -0600 From: "Dennis McGreevy" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Introduction Pete sez: Eyes: In reasonably good condition - fairly weak contacts during the day, glasses at night for TV/driving. I agree with the laser surgery consensus. It doesn't have a long enough track record to convince me. Oh yeah, I'm cheap too. <><><><><><><> Chris Prew also sent me a message yesterday about how part of the procedure involves sucking your eyeball out of the socket in order to better access it, which is viscerally disturbing. Then there's the business of basing the process not on reinforcing, but on blasting away layers of the lens, which I find at best questionable. Then as Pete points out, this is very new. This indicates to me that there hasn't been enough time to here stories about the long term durability of the thus modified eyeball. And when facilities tout themselves as having "the latest FDA approved lasers," I am prompted to speculate about both the evolution and refinement of the state of the technology in a few more years time, and whether the recently approved technology will ultimately prove to have been worthy of approval, which does not always seem to turn out the case. Ultimately, however, I base my objection on the notion that this is a surgical procedure, but it is advertised on the radio. "EYEBALL MAN! EYEBALL MAN!", - --Dennis P.S. This suspicion on my part of what is probably a perfectly harmless technology is as likely as not yet another negative repercussion of having read too many comics featuring the "crimes against the eye" motif. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:15:46 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] Game theory/Loud family set on radio Here's something to listen to on the afternoon Sat Jan 26th: > From: "John Kern" > Date: 2002/01/18 Fri PM 01:23:25 MST > To: rog@reignoffrogs.com > Subject: Game theory/Loud family set on radio > > Roger: After getting the tribute CD from you I had mentioned that I was > probably going to play some cuts off it in a set on WMNF radio on > January 19. You seemed interested in knowing about it. The show has been > moved to the 26th; it'll be at 2-4 PM eastern time. It is accessible via > the internet at wmnf.org in real time. They used to archive shows, but > stopped at last check. > > My plan is to play 2 cuts off the tribute CD, and at least 2 GT and 2 LF > cuts. I may play more, but doubt it cause I've already got more stuff > that I want to play than I can fit in 2 hours. > cheers, jk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:29:51 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] inventory Name: Aaron Mandel Commitment to lowercase letters: surprisingly casual Residence: 30 yards from Cambridge, MA Birthday: 8/20/75 Appearance: 5'10", mostly scrawny, short dark hair, green shoes, no beard. Eyes: 20/20 Job: sysadmin supporting research computers, Harvard U. Would rather do something else: yes Spouse/partner/accomplice: none Roommates: 3 Boss: gone as of last Friday Siblings: 2 full, 2 other Joined loud-fans: sometime in 93-94 school year Met Janet: yes Played Scrabble with Janet: no First Scott exposure: P&B&R&T purchased blind Favorites: IbC, "Waltz The Halls Always" Writing: Oulipo, D. Barthelme, B. Marcus TV: West Wing, Buffy, 'reality' game shows Video games: beat games, scrolling shooters, puzzle games Comics: Peter Milligan, Jon Lewis, Evan Dorkin, Jim Woodring Food: Indian food, sour candy, Big Cheez-It Soda: Boylan's Often unable to appreciate: literature before 1910, music before 1970, movies before 1980. LF/GT: Miller, Smith, Juhos, Wieneke, Levy (in that order) Wu-Tang: RZA, Method Man, ODB, GZA, Raekwon, et al. (in that order) Silkworm: Phelps, Midgett, Cohen (in that order) Beatles: no preference % more personable offline: 75 Words written last November for NaNoWriMo: 50,007 And so on: www.pastemob.org - --- How to tell me apart from Aaron Milenski: I think he's more into movies than I am. I've never gotten the impression that he's a computer geek at all, whereas I would have to admit that I am. Somewhere I own a CD of music he made, while the reverse is not true. At some point he was known as 'Pudman'; I've never had any nicknames, that I can think of. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:52:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Gabriel Subject: [loud-fans] Swap review: JeFF's number two The Second Review Jeffrey Norman sent me two swap tapes many moons ago. I shall review the second at this time. The second tape wasn't titled, but contained numbers on its cover, namely, "24810" followed by the number "6." When each numeral is added together they equal 21. My birthday is November 21. Thanks for remembering! The tape contained the following songs. (Again, please note my salient, parenthetical comments.) Side A The Future Pilot vs. The Pastels "Hurricane Fighter Plane" (very muddy, cool, evocative song.) All Natural Lemon & Lime Flavors "The Number Knows Its Name" (One of the most underrated bands on the planet. They're mesmerizing.) Elysian Fields "Dream Within a Dream" (The singer's delivery reminds me of Jeff Buckley) Plasticland "The Gingerbread House" (If they made a Spinal Tap-style movie about a goth rock band, this song would be the equivalent for the "Stonehenge" scene. Yikes. Pre or post-Bauhaus?) King Crimson "Thrak" (I was first exposed to this song by a guitarist in Naval Nuclear Power School, Orlando, Fla. He was later kicked out for cheating. However, I don't blame King Crimson since he also listened a lot to Santana and Yes. But, damn, can Fripp play some geetar.) The Frosted Ambassador "[eleven]" (loopy insturmental pairing nicely with K.C.) MX-80 "Promise of Love" (So was this a Codeine song first or just a Codeine cover of MX-80? I thought only Codeine sounded like this.) Fifty-Foot Hose "If Not This Time" (well, wasn't that a nutty sumbitch?) Radiohead "In Limbo" (How does a band this great stay on a major label?) Brian Eno "Lantern Marsh" Calexico "When Water Flows" (Calexico is one of several bands I haven't purchased, but love everything I hear. They hail from Tucson, just an hour south of my house. Yet, they never visit.) Side B The Caribbean "I Am the Mosque" Oranger "Green Gold Rolling Skull" Macha "Sama-Sama" (All vibraphone, all the time. I only own Macha Loved Bedhead....I need more Macha CDs) The Dream Syndicate "Then She Remembers" David Lynch & Angela Badalamenti "The Pink Room" The Bonzo Dog Band "Slush" (Can't handle the laughter loops) Aphex Twin "Come to Daddy (Pappy Mix)" (Richard James shows Reznor and Manson how it's done) Autechre "Vietrmx21" (Also need to purchase Autechre. BTW, how is this name pronounced? Aw-Tek-Er? Oh-tek?) Frederic Chopin (Russell Sherman, Piano) "Prelude #2 in A Minor" (Kickin' it old school. Fits in nicely with the previous number) Patti Smith Group "Easter" (I know I'm a heretic, but I can't stand Patti Smith. Ow! No rocks! Ouch! Owteker!) Thanks JeFF for the excellent music, patience in my reviews and the very generous double tape swap! Jon ===== 777777777777777777777777777777 JON GABRIEL mesa, arizona usa inkling communication + design 777777777777777777777777777777 Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:02:32 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Introduction >4. Website recommendations. PandoMag, The War Against >Silence, The Onion, Dancing About Architecture, Salon, >Jim Derogatis just to name a few. Ahhh, a namecheck! Thanks so much. Pandomag, ne Pandemonium Online, ne Pandemonium, is, in fact, dead in the water, but it lists at anchor yet. To review the late 90's as some wish they'd never happened, and examine the work of myself and other usual suspects, go hither: www.pandomag.net Wondering if Mr. Heyman's father was named after that Randy Newman song, Andy "...I prefer my motion pictures to do something other than have pictures that move." - --Eric Lipton, from http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/2002/01/18/lotr/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:07:06 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Introduction Charity Stafford on 2002/01/18 Fri AM 10:34:23 MST wrote: > Marital Status: Imminant - 5/4/02! Hey, that's cool - congrats! Both you and Stewart are engaged! You should have a double wedding! Later. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jan 2002 14:15:02 -0500 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] inventory Aaron Mandel writes: | Residence: 30 yards from Cambridge, MA Can't bring yourself to say Somerville? SOMERVILLE SOMERVILLE SOMERVILLE!! | I've never had any nicknames, that I can think of. I still vote for 'Clamboy.' - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jan 2002 14:25:03 -0500 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: [loud-fans] Very well Dan Schmidt, born June 14, 1969, lived in the Boston area my whole life, currently in Cambridge. No glasses, no beard, no pets, no wife. My current job is programming music games for the PlayStation 2, which is mostly a lot of fun. Look here: http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/frequency Before that I wrote games for the PC. Look here: http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/by_title/developerId,4986/ My first encounter with Scott's music was when I bought LOLITA NATION based entirely on the cover, and was completely bowled over. Game Theory seemed to fall off the edge of the world after TINKER, to my intense dismay, and when I saw an ad for P&B&R&T in Option years later, I probably yelled out loud. I joined the list in 1994, I think. I know I was already on when THE TAPE OF ONLY LINDA was released. I have never met Janet. I have met over a dozen other loud-fans, though (I was at what I believe to be the first loud-fans gathering ever, at Rob Poor's place), and entertained some at my apartment, They have all been swell. I guess I have exchanged some words with the Man Himself but the Loud Family member conversation I remember most is talking to Paul Wieneke about the metric structure of "Better Nature" and him being all psyched that someone was paying that much attention to it. Some favorite songwriters: Robert Pollard, Frank Black, Scott Miller. Some favorite composers: Olivier Messiaen, Alban Berg, Domenico Scarlatti. Some favorite writers: Thomas Pynchon, Leo Tolstoy, Andrew Crumey. I write songs and sing and play guitar in a rock band called Honest Bob & the Factory-to-Dealer Incentives. Buy our CD! Come to our shows! We're opening for Grant Hart at T.T.'s on February 8. Look here: http://www.dfan.org/honestbob I play for and compose for and am a co-music director of Gamelan Galak Tika, a local Balinese gamelan. About the biggest thrill of my life was playing one of my compositions at the Bang On A Can Marathon of contemporary music a year ago at the Brooklyn Academy of Music opera house. Look here: http://www.dfan.org/music.html I also read a lot, and play chess and Go, and write interactive fiction (look here: http://www.dfan.org/IF/), and run, and play ultimate. And what's this about local Scrabble games? - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:33:58 +0000 From: Chris Burns Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Introduction Does this count as a post? Name: Chris Burns Location: Keyport, NJ Occupation: Media Mogul behind Gravity Hill Media, the advertising copywriting destination of the nation. www.gravityhillmedia.com Married: To critic's darling Terry Burns since 1981. Children: behave... that's what they say when we're together... Pets: A cat. Birth year: 1956 Glasses: The cheapie kind you buy in the drug store for reading. Beard: I had one back in 1976 Grateful Dead days, there's even a picture we pull out every so often for big laughs. Haven't: had a cigarette in three months, after like, 28 years. Have: the 10 pounds they promise in exchange. Also have: LN, 2Stps, and TEC on CD from release dates. Listing since: April 1995, with an average one post per year. Famous list-folk I have known: Wow, quite a few when I think about it: ana, Sue, Joe, Stewart, Dan Sallit, Sharples, Paula, Carolyn, Steve Matrick, Matthew & Christina Budman, Larry and Beth Kooper, Andrea and I bet I even missed a few! 1st Miller Crossing: "24" on Enigma Variations, then forgot about it until BSC played in heavy rotation on WPRB Princeton. LF shows I have known: TTOOL tour @ Maxwell's Hoboken, NJ; IBC @ Brownies NYC (hosting Scott, Mike Tittel, Sue and Stewart) ; DFD @ Brownies NYC and Pontiac Grill, Philly; AN @ Maxwell's Hoboken. That's enough, right? CB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:12:48 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Introduction Chris Burns wrote: > > 1st Miller Crossing: "24" on Enigma Variations, then forgot about it > until BSC played in heavy rotation on WPRB Princeton. WPRB was also my first Miller exposure, only it was Curse of the Frontier Land, and I was hooked immediately. First chance I got, I hit the Princeton Record Exchange, picked up the only copy of Real Nighttime they had, and got it home only to discover a pressing flaw on Curse that made it go pop in a few places. Still, I wouldn't take it back because I was afraid I would never get another one, and flawed was better than nothing. I do remember WPRB playing 24 a lot, and also The Young Drug. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:46:37 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: [loud-fans] The intro and the outro This is fun. I'm pleasantly surprised at the number of infrequent posters and long-timers I thought were long gone....but aren't! Name: John Dylan Cooper Location: Seattle, Washington Born: July 19, 1962 Job: Software test engineer at Adobe Systems: I work on InDesign and related products. Married: To Jo Brown on May 6, 2001. Kids: No - although I have a niece and six nephews via my one Mennonite sibling Cats: Tyger and Aioffe (pronounced EE-fah), females born in the same litter 8/14/94; built like Laurel and Hardy respectively Facial hair: No Vision: Glasses 1968-1982, contacts 1982-present Met Janet: Yes Glad she's back: Yes Geek interests: Mac technology, especially Mac OS 9 and X and my 2001 iBook, the best personal computer of the two dozen or so I have used. Typography. Vertebrate paleontology (if you don't think of that as a geek interest, you're not a member of VRTPALEO, the mailing list [this morning's topic: monotreme skull osteology]). Books. Non-geek interests (warning: non-geekiness may be in eye of beholder. Consult local listings): Foreign and domestic travel. Mexico, Italy. Non-reformed Christianity (i.e. Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy). European and American history. Languages. William Blake. Wine. Domesticity. How I Became a Loud-fan: Like Aaron Mandel and Pete O., bought PABARAT blind. Joined this list in 1996. Why I Thank God I Became a Loud-fan: I met Jo at the Loud Family show at the Tractor Tavern, Seattle, in July 1998--she came up and asked if I were part of the list. A month later we flew to San Francisco together for the (first) famous Bottom of the Hill show. In July of 2000, we were engaged. Other great Loud-fan lurkers I know: Lorrie Smith and Stefan Apperson; Matthew Amster-Burton and his wife Laurie. Unforgettable Loud-fan moment: Watching Joe and Sue on "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire" with Jo by my side. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:04:15 -0800 From: Elizabeth Setler Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Introduction Name: Elizabeth Setler Birthdate: Nov. 3, 1965 Location: Cayucos, CA (a small, pretty, dull town on the central coast that I'm increasingly desperate to get out of) Previous Location: Los Angeles, CA (a large, often misunderstood city that I'm increasingly desperate to get back to) And before that: Pittsburgh, PA; Lima, OH; Winston-Salem, NC; New York, NY; Atlanta, GA. Not necessarily in that order. Would happily move to: Toronto, Chicago, a number of places in Australia Bees: No longer an immediate problem Redheaded: Yes Cute: If you like that type Between 18-25: Was, for eight full years Shacked up with: Randy Brion (musician/arts exec/excellent human being), for around 5 years Kids: No, but really want some. I mean, REALLY. Pets: Not since I fell in love with an asthmatic - before that, always and many. I particularly miss the ferrets. What pays the bills: Freelance web design, part-time record store job, sponging off boyfriend. Mostly the last one. Used to be: A pretty decent jazz singer; a copy editor; a corporate cog; and again, between 18-25 Glasses: Contacts, without which I'm utterly blind. Spent first grade dropping hideous horn-rimmed glasses into sewer grates and claiming I'd lost them. Vain: Apparently Biggest life problem: A medium-level case of MCS (Multiple Chemical Sensitivity), which means that a stranger's perfume or cigarette, or the wrong laundry detergent, can knock me out for days Mailing list thread I never relate to: Non-music-obsessed friends thinking you're crazy. I've never had any non-music-obsessed friends, and don't quite understand where people get them Met Janet: Not in any way, although I do think she has an incredibly adorable son First Scott: My friend Andy Zax gave me a copy of Interbabe Concern a few years ago, which turned out to be one of the nicest things anyone's ever done for me Met Scott: No, but my boyfriend did and failed to introduce me even though I was standing RIGHT THERE (well, he's *almost* flawless) Offered baked goods by Scott's wife: Once Joined loud-fans: I'm gonna say 1999 - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:15:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Very funny URL... ...especially for anyone who's used PowerPoint. Yours is a Very Bad Hotel A graphic complaint from 2 unhappy customers. http://www.snopes2.com/business/info/badhotel/frame.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:26:35 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Very funny URL... >...especially for anyone who's used PowerPoint. > > http://www.snopes2.com/business/info/badhotel/frame.htm I should warn folk, though, a certain list member I shared this with pronounced the link "Netscape-hostile." I was assimilated a long time ago. I don't even feel it anymore. Still, one excellent link deserves another: http://www.madblast.com/oska/humor_pong.swf All the insides are on the scars, Andy "The shape of power, snaking irregularly through the matrix of sociocultural life, doesn't just yield to your touch; it asks for recompense always." - --Martha Baer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:32:18 -0800 From: Elizabeth Setler Subject: Re: [loud-fans] getting it off my community chest At 8:33 PM -0800 1/16/02, Matthew Weber wrote: >At 8:23 PM 1/16/2, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > >>That was a really fun evening (June 30th), but to cement the connection >>that this list has with Scott's activities, I haven't seen most of the >>SF Bay Area loud-fan contingent "in the flesh" so to speak since that >>show. We should all force Scott to play more shows in the future, so we >>could all see each other more frequently! > >Or maybe we could meet at other shows? I know the idea is unorthodox... I'm going to be in the northern half of California once or twice next month - definitely for a Richard Thompson show in Santa Cruz, almost definitely for a Terry Riley show in Palo Alto. I know that doesn't exactly qualify as "Bay Area," but what the hell - anyone going to either of those, anyway? - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:39:31 -0800 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] getting it off my community chest At 02:32 PM 1/18/02 -0800, Elizabeth Setler wrote: >At 8:33 PM -0800 1/16/02, Matthew Weber wrote: >>At 8:23 PM 1/16/2, Steve Holtebeck wrote: >> >>>That was a really fun evening (June 30th), but to cement the connection >>>that this list has with Scott's activities, I haven't seen most of the >>>SF Bay Area loud-fan contingent "in the flesh" so to speak since that >>>show. We should all force Scott to play more shows in the future, so we >>>could all see each other more frequently! >> >>Or maybe we could meet at other shows? I know the idea is unorthodox... > > >I'm going to be in the northern half of California once or twice next >month - definitely for a Richard Thompson show in Santa Cruz, almost >definitely for a Terry Riley show in Palo Alto. I know that doesn't >exactly qualify as "Bay Area," but what the hell - anyone going to either >of those, anyway? >-- >Elizabeth Well, PA is definitely Bay Area (South Bay)...I'd almost put Santa Cruz in the Central Coast category with Lompoc &c. Dunno if I'll make it to either of those shows, though they sound pretty neat--unless someone else from the area is driving anyway! Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley Let my people go. _The Holy Bible: The Old Testament_, The Second Book of Moses, Called Exodus, chapter 5, verse 1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:43:50 -0800 From: Elizabeth Setler Subject: Re: [loud-fans] getting it off my community chest At 5:24 PM -0800 1/16/02, Michael Zwirn wrote: >Believe it or not, I always felt more alienated on the Crowded House list >(which Elizabeth would know) than the Loud Family list. Which is weird, >'cuz, you know, Crowded House is NOT an alienating band. It seemed to be >more a function of size of the listserv, as well as contributory factors >like geography and the time period of fandom - people were very big about >telling of their experiences seeing Split Enz in Whakarei in nineteen >seventy-whatever Funny you should mention; that list was very much on my mind as I sent my contribution to this very thread. In 1994 and 1995, the Crowded House list was amazing - a few hundred people, most of whom were smart, funny, literate and could tell a joke from a mile away, and very few of whom engaged in creepy borderline-stalker behavior. Now there are a few thousand, and let's just say none of those things are true any longer. I think the main problem is that there are several large contingents who've been very prominent posters at one time or another, each of whom have very different ideas about what the list should be, and many of whom really, really despise each other. I'll admit to being a member in good standing of one of those contingents, but see, we're the *good* one. ;-) So when I pressed "send" on my "gee, I think loud-fans is swell!" post, I was truly hoping not to sound like one of those new kids on that list who are oblivious to all the problems but insist on analyzing things anyway. I still truly hope I didn't. - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:58:54 -0600 From: zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu Subject: [loud-fans] best of 2001 top list of 2001 short version 1. Chomsky Onward Quirky Soldiers 2. Milton Mapes The State Line 3. The Shins Oh, Inverted World 4. New Pornographers Mass Romantic 5. INXS Shine Like it Does 6. Pete Yorn Musicforthemorningafter longer version 1. Chomsky -- Onward Quirky Soliders & A Few Possible Selections for the Soundtrack of Your Life These 2 records combine to make one of my favorite records of all time. If you found the Weezer album a bit too short, and the Jimmy Eat World a bit too simple, you should check out either one of these albums. The vocals sound very Weezer, but the guitar sound is more '80s punk/new wave than '70s arena rock. 15 Minutes to Rock is the single off Onward that you might have heard, and demonstrative of the rest of their music. Bouncy, upbeat, clever lyrics -- immaculately produced power pop. The "HA" at 2:43, no matter how cliched it is to say "HA" in the middle of a song, is the most powerful musical moment of 2001 for me, all at once energetic, defiant, empowering, and driving towards the end of the song. Light was the other single. The intro is a straight up rip off of Baba O'Reiley, but the lyrics convey the opposite message of Baba. Straight Razor has beepy Elvis Costello & the Attractions keyboards, and the average 18 musical and vocal hooks they put into every song. Warm is love song to no-one in particular, Mason is a guy asking the experts (scientists, Cassanova, the angels) what his purpose is. Road has the best vocal hook I've heard in a long time, the best bridge, fun lyrics and is probably my second favorite song by them. Laughing and Believe float around in ska territory without ever really getting there. Another thing that makes me love this band, 19 of the 21 songs would be singles in a different world; the highest ratio I've ever heard from a band across 2 albums. 2. Milton Mapes The State Line I think this one actually counts as an EP, since it only has 7 songs, and you subtract one that meanders around a bit too much without ever going anywhere, and another that's a demo that's so rough it makes the Moldy Peaches sound like the Moody Blues. What you have left are five songs that comprise a nostalgia trip to a place and time that wasn't particularly pleasant the first time around, but you can't help thinking about it, and trying to find the rosy buds hidden in the thorns. Alt country in the lines of old Wilco, gravely voice, heart felt lyrics, and the best use of 60 cycle hum I've ever heard in a song. The music is the catcher though. A couple of songs demonstrate a kind of alt-country shoegazer type sound, floating around the music. Another artist where you have to buy the singles, comps, and everything else to get all the good songs. I can't wait to hear a follow up. 3. Shins Oh Inverted World. Everything that Chomsky is not The Shins are. Roughly produced, quieter, less excited about the world, allergic to love, introspective. Thanks to all the people who mentioned the video for New Slang. New Slang is great, Know Your Onion is great. Band number 3 of 3 so far that I have had to purchase multiple products to get all their best music. My favorite by them is "Those Bold City Girls", off 1999's Nature Bears a Vacuum, also pretty much everything that Oh, Inverted World is not. I'd love to cover this song, but if I did, even the most staunch indie fans in their corduroys and cardigans would wonder what was going on. 4. New Poronographers Mass Romantic. Great lyrics. Fun music on the more energetic songs, The slower songs held this one back a spot or 2. Definitely makes up for no Zumpano albums for the past few years. Ms. Case has a pretty voice. I'll be looking for her other stuff. I was mildly disappointed that Breakin' the Law was not the Preist song. INXS Shine Like it Does Anthology. This one makes it because I'm as much an INXS fan as glenn is a Big Country fan. It's also nice to have versions of Simple Simon and We are the Vegetables that actually sound decent and Let it Ride, the second best song left off of the US version Elegantly Wasted. INXS has never been very giving with its b-sides, though, so I must confess that I've resorted to AudioGalaxy to get them. I'm sorry. I held off as long as I could. Pete Yorn Musicforthemorningafter This was the other year 2001 album I actually bought in 2001. Life on a Chain and For Nancy were worth the price. The rest are pretty decent too. The majority of my musical purchases this year was spent discovering artists from years past. Wire & Smart Brown Handbag were the top two. I had heard a song or 2 from Smart Brown on the radio, and saw Little Things are Everything and Lullabies for Infidels in a used bin. Excellent records, both of them. Get the Girl, Bar Girl, Dear Angel, Solid Gold and I Forgot to Call now hop onto the list of songs I wish I had written. Wire demonstrates how much a band can progress from 1 album to the next. Pink Flag has alot of short songs that don't need to be any longer. That they got from 12XU to Map Ref is pretty amazing. I think the Archers of Loaf tried to borrow their career trajectory of albums that really don't sound like the same band created them. The first 20 or so times I heard that ringing sound in the back of Options R I thought I was hearing things. After hearing it 10 times and not knowing where it was coming from, I thought I was going crazy. Other stuff: Favorite Cover: Flowers on the Wall by Eric Heatherly. Took a somewhat goofy sounding country song and turned it into rockabilly. Musical Trend I would like to see die in the next year: Trance Techno. I am going to give up drinking in the next year if bars don't stop playing this stuff. It doesn't matter if its Oakenfold, Akira, or the guy who stole some turntables from his parent's basement, it all sounds the same. I used to have to spend a good $20 - 30 bucks and 3 or 4 hours to get a pounding headache while drinking. Now it comes with the handstamp. Least Favorite Album purchased: Life Model by the Blue Aeroplanes. After having high expectations for Beatsongs, Beatsongs building higher expectations for Swagger, and Swagger meeting them, Life Model has so far failed to meet expectations. Not bad, just underwhelming. It gets a few more spins though, so who knows? With these 6 alone, 2001 was an amazing year for music, and now I can't wait for 2002. Andrew ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #23 ******************************