From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #20 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, January 17 2002 Volume 02 : Number 020 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] re: Introduction [Michael Zwirn ] [loud-fans] Ken Stringfellow (Scott content) [Michael Zwirn ] Re: [loud-fans] Introduction ["Aaron Milenski" ] [loud-fans] Birthdays ["Keegstra, Russell" ] [loud-fans] Introduction [dana-boy@juno.com] FW: [loud-fans] Introduction [Chris Prew ] [loud-fans] adamantly sane (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] RE: [loud-fans] Introduction ["Larry Tucker" ] [loud-fans] Re: Introduction [Jon Gabriel ] [loud-fans] Introducktion (long) [DOUDIE@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] getting it off my community chest [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Introduction ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] getting it off my community chest [Aaron Mandel ] [loud-fans] Whoops! ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] re: Introduction [Michael Zwirn ] Re: [loud-fans] getting it off my community chest [dmw ] [loud-fans] Review: "The Sugar of Lead Technology" by JeFF [Jon Gabriel <] Re: [loud-fans] Introduction [Michael Mitton ] [loud-fans] Introductions (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] Introductions (ns) ["John Swartzentruber" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:51:29 -0800 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: [loud-fans] re: Introduction Name: Michael J. Zwirn Current location: Portland. Past locations, backwards order: Boston, Jerusalem, DC, southern Israel, Minnesota, New Zealand, Indianapolis Occupation: environmental policy analyst, quasi-employed Marital status: Steady relationship, of the ballet hetero variety Birthdate: Sept. 26, 2001 Religion: Reform Judaism. Or, depending on when you ask, Macintosh. Facial Hair: never, except when I go camping Met Janet: Yes, and admired her tattoos. Eye Color: Green-hazel Favorite Loud Album: Interbabe Concern Last concert: Freedy Johnston/Ken Stringfellow tonight. Previous concerts, backwards order: Handsome Family/Willard Grant Conspiray, Sleater-Kinney Predilictions: buying cheap CDs, international travel, policy analysis Pet peeves: cigarettes, drunkenness, opening bands that don't come on-stage until 10:30, and then suck anyway - -- "I don't know how to speak to you I don't know how to trust you I don't know how to live for you I don't know how to love you" Milla ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:55:45 -0800 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: [loud-fans] Ken Stringfellow (Scott content) Michael Mitton and I spoke to Ken Stringfellow tonight, and he says he spoke to Scott and is going to see him in San Francisco for his gig with Freedy Johnston. At least, Scott said he'd be at the show. The show is listed as: 1.18.2002 : Friday San Francisco, CA Great American Music Hall : 859 O'Farrell St. : 8:00 PM I heartily recommend the show. Maybe - unlike Portland - you'll be denied the chance to hear Freedy cussing out the talkative patrons at the bar (which is undeniably entertaining). But even without that unexpected highlight, you can be assured of some good songs and performances. Ken's new stuff all sounded good to me, although I haven't heard the album yet. - -- "A girl needs a gun these days, hey, on account of all the rattlesnakes." Lloyd Cole ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:02:04 -0600 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Introduction Name: Russell Keegstra Location: Tucson, Arizona - not the home of The Thing?, but close Occupation: Programmer/Analyst, although I do a lot more analyzing than programming, also work at home but not self employed Specialty: Manufacturing systems, MRP/ERP Married to Mary Ball for 12 years Children: 2 stepkids, Alisa and Joel Pets: Pink and Floyd, white GSD-like mutts, brother and sister, age 8 Birthday: 07/28/1962 - too young to remember JFK being shot, but old enough to remember watching the moon landing live. Probably around the high 3dB point on the loudfans age distribution curve Beard: due to laziness Vision correction: due to lazy genes Hobbies: Photography, embedded systems, making noise Met Janet: Maybe? Was she at the Bottom-of-the-Hill show 8/8/98? Had email correspondence with at least. Completely failed to meet Dan Sallit here in Tucson once. Online community thoughts: I'm just here for the music, although I sometimes lob comments in from a few yards away. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:01:01 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Introduction >Name: Aaron Milenski >Location: Lakewood, OH. Grew up in Western Mass. though >Occupation: stats geek in the education world >Married to Jill Gray >Children: Fox (3 in March) >Birthday: Dec. 31, 1966. Trust me; this is the worst birthday imaginable >Loud-Fan closest in age: Sue Trowbridge was born only a few weeks or so >after me. >Beard: never, ever, ever, ever, ever >Vision correction: contacts. Glasses only when my eyes hurt >Met Janet: several times. I've met probably 30 or more loud fans and the >Loud Family too >How to distinguish me from Aaron Mandel: Well, both of our last names start >with M, but I never recall him using a capital A when he identifies himself >in his posts >Other: massive record collector, guitarist/songwriter for a defunct band, >after going to the movies about twice a week for years have probably been >less than 15 times since Fox was born. Didn't buy a CD player until 1996. >Discovered Scott's music: while a DJ in college, after release of LOLITA >NATION >You learn something new every day: Why didn't I ever before know that Lance >Loud was in the Mumps? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:35:44 -0600 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: [loud-fans] Birthdays Led Zeppelin's first album is 33 years old today. Ben Franklin is 296. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:38:40 -0500 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] Introduction Name: Dana Paoli, last name pronounced like they do in Italy Dana: is a man's name. Like Dana Dane. Remember him? Oh. Age: 33 Marital Status: Married Job: Assistant to Hospital Risk Manager Pets: 7 cats, 1 pigeon Hair: Brown, used to be long, now it's short. Sideburns. Eyes: Brown, 1 day Acuvue or Matsuda black frames (Matsuda has the best case). Celebrity Resemblance: I looked a lot like Dave Grohl until we both cut our hair. Likes: Bicycling to work; pickles with swiss cheese and mustard on a bagel; eBay; redheads. Dislikes: Cars; people who receive CDs from me, then offer the same CD in trade for something else they want; blondes. Drinks: Cafe Latte; Negroni; Coke. Meat: Is murder. Fish: Is manslaughter with extenuating circumstances. Goal: To eventually transfer my entire music collection to Andrew Hamlin. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:41:32 -0600 From: Chris Prew Subject: FW: [loud-fans] Introduction Name: Chris Prew Location: Minneapolis MN Occupation: Jack of all trades computer geek for a small software company Married: to Bridgette, for all of 2 1/2 years now. Children: Rhaedyn April, 8 months old. My new reason for existing. Pets: Hakuna and Fido, both Rott/Husky mixes - both 75+ lbs. Sorely neglected since the baby came. Birthday: 05/31/66 - a stereotypical gemini. Beard: occasional laziness induced stubble. Vision correction: contacts. Scared to death of lasix. Hobbies: web design, music making, wannabe filmmaker Band: sombertown - less about artistic expression, more about drinking beer on weeknights. New CD coming soon. Met Janet: Nope. Sports: Minnesota Timberwolves. Don't play for them, just enjoy them. Personal Stuff you Didn't Want to Know: asthmatic, into post-rock, home-brewer, voted for nader. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:55:27 -0500 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] adamantly sane (ns) http://salon.com/people/wire/2002/01/16/adam_ant/index.html - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:07:17 -0500 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Introduction Name: Larry Tucker Location: Chapel Hill, NC - actually Bynum, NC, an abandoned textile mill town where I get my mail at a turn of the century General Store-Post Office where there actually are the old-timers sitting around a checkers table talking about the old days. It also occasionally has live music though it tends to be roots-blues-country-bluegrass. Occupation: Municipal Civil Engineer involved with road construction and computer mapping systems Married: Yes, to Kitty for 26 years. Married while in college. Children: None, see pets... Pets: 3 dogs and too many fish, lizards, newts, and frogs to count, plus the deer and rabbits we feed behind the house. Birthday: 07/29/1954 - Old enough to remember the Cuban missile crisis and lying in bed at night wondering when the "bomb" that would burn the world would drop. Also the same age as Mitch Easter. Beard: none except for a brief goatee and the stubble that accumulates on vacations when I quit shaving. I do have a full head of hair though, albeit gray. Glasses: Yes Hobbies: Besides collecting CDs, photography and live recordings of shows in clubs. Travel was once high on the agenda before my wife came down with MS. Met Janet: No, but I remember who she is/was. Maybe she could be talked into a guest appearance. Loudfans actually met: ana morales, Tim Victor, Chris Murtland, Doug Mayo-Wells (well almost) Most memorable rock'n'roll moment: meeting Captain Beefheart in 1978 My introduction to Scott: Hearing "Waltz the Halls Always" on college radio in 1985. Been hooked ever since. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:22:29 -0500 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Introduction On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:01:01 -0500, Aaron Milenski wrote: >after going to the movies about twice a week for years have probably been >>less than 15 times since Fox was born. Oh, I hear you brother. I don't think I saw a single movie in a theater last year. High Fidelity was the last movie I saw. When was that? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:53:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] re: Introduction - --- Michael Zwirn wrote: > Name: Michael J. Zwirn > Current location: Portland. > Past locations, backwards order: Boston, Jerusalem, DC, southern Israel, > Minnesota, New Zealand, Indianapolis > Occupation: environmental policy analyst, quasi-employed > Marital status: Steady relationship, of the ballet hetero variety > Birthdate: Sept. 26, 2001 Definitely the youngest lister! - - Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:17:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Gabriel Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Introduction name: Jon Gabriel. aliases: Iron Chef Southwestern; Ragnar, Bringer of War; F*@%-face. birthday: 11/21/1966. locale: Mesa, Arizona. occupation: Graphic designer, Mesa Channel 11 host. strengths: Can shapeshift into any type marsupial at whim. Calligraphy. weaknesses: Lifetime movies, Cathy comics & chocolate! (Am I *right* ladies??!!! ;-) !!! facial hair: Brows, lashes, goatee. wife: Angela, Iron Chef Asian. children: 1 boy (I think), due 8/16/02. pets: Chip! (Burmese microcat) & Chester (Pembroke Welsh Corgi). vision: Appalling. Janet?: Ms. Ingraham-Dwyer, if you're nasty. favorite Scott album: LN. first Scottsong heard: 24. If there is a God, what you want Him to say to you when you enter heaven?: "Sorry about that James Lipton guy." ===== 777777777777777777777777777777 JON GABRIEL mesa, arizona usa inkling communication + design 777777777777777777777777777777 Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:20:47 EST From: DOUDIE@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Introducktion (long) Okay, I'll play: << Name: Steven Charles Matrick Birthday: May 25, 1970, bizarrely the same day as Mr. Murt's, another stereotypical gemini Marital Status: Single Location: Union City, NJ (It is right next to Hoboken) Job: Assistant to a Concert Promoter/Manager of Tarkan (Turkey's biggest pop star) Pets: I cat, Uma Celebrity Resemblance: I have heard Ben Stiller but that's cause I am jewish. (Dana really does look like Dave Grohl). Vision: Perfect Likes: Writing poetry, running, singing on my walkman out loud on the subway, Istanbul, how much Mystery Hours sounds like Game Theory Dislikes: Tourists, Natalie Merchant's voice, the Strokes backlash Drinks: Diet Peach Snapple (yuck), Maker's Mark Met Janet: nope but she incredibly sent me her extra copy of Tinkers to Evers to Chance, which is completely out-of-print and unfindable. I am going to enclose my latest poem. Anyone who wants to be added to my list drop me an email. The poem says more about me than what I just wrote does. I used to post to this list regularly but many of the people I corresponded with don't seem to actively participate in this list anymore (Miles, Janet, Sue, Dan Sallit, Paula, John Sharples, etc). That said, I just bought the Thou record for a dollar and dig it on first listen. Oddly, JR Taylor is on my bus route and Dan Salitt is on my walk to work route frequently. Strange world. My top ten of 2001 is coming soon. I am surprised nobody listed Hefner's DEAD MEDIA and Snowpony's SEA SHANTIES AND SPACESHIPS (unless I missed it), though they aren't available domestically. Cheers, Steve (poem follows) Wednesday, January 16, 2002 12:48 PM If Talent is a Vampire, I am Buffy Contemplate the ovaries that bounce upon my chin. I wear pink on the outside, Because Ibm pink within. You win, I give up my third trimester to the broken wind, And brew you up some hoochie and some bathtub gin. What happened to you. When we were young you said, bAll women say they want Alan Alda, But they really want to bone Stallone.b And now when you speak you sound like bE.T. phone homeb. Fame brings caustic seclusion and subterfusion, And rolling dice and jeering at my contusions. If only they knew, If only they knew, The way you treat this harmless jew. I want a medal from you each day I pray, For some sign of respect, however benign. Malignant insecurities you never experience, Pour out of my mouth for hours and bounce off closed eardrums. I have danced with the gypsies that roam in the ears of pagan bankers, Sacrificing ferrets in the name of Anubis, When giggling vaginas sing songs of mirthful resurrection, Of spirit, I hear it, the longing resigns, and pines and pines. I am a talented embarrasser, Bourbon helps me conjure new ways of humiliation. I pray I can be there for you, Like J-lo is for Puffy, If talent is a vampire, I am Buffy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:00:53 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] getting it off my community chest At 10:52 PM 1/16/2002 -0500, JRT456@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 1/16/02 2:40:59 PM, outdoorminer@mindspring.com writes: > ><< Our June visit >to New York City (was this the last extensively written-up Loud-Fan >meeting?) coincided with the worst on-list controversy we'd had to that >point.. >> > >Ah, yes, June '99. Who can ever forget that awful... wait, was this another >battle between bigots who hate Daniel Pinkwater and extremists who can't >stand Douglas Coupland? Or did somebody make fun of AOL members again? Silly wabbit! How could you forget? It was about whether artists beginning with "Mc" (as in the Scottish surname prefix "Mc," such as in "McCartney, Paul," not as in "MC Hammer") should be alphabetized as though they begin with "Mac." If you thought that carnage over omitting the final comma in a series was brutal, hoo boy! later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:57:45 -0000 From: "Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Introduction Name: Ian Runeckles Location: London, UK Occupation: Computer support and development sort of thing for a not-for-profit organisation Married: Never walked down the aisle but have been with Angela for 13 years Children: None Pets: Two cats, Zappa and Chomsky Age: 45 and rising Beard: Short, full and greying, about 15 year vintage. Vision correction: Specs Hobbies: Never have been very good at hobbies as I consider reading, films and music essential to my life whereas work is just a sideline to get some cash to go and see more films, buy books and CDs... Met Janet: Not yet... Sports: UK football until it turned into show business after the 70s. I guess that's a no. Claims to fame: My mother is in some distant way related to Edgar Allen Poe, my grandmother used to live along the road from my boyhood hero, Bobby Moore, the England World Cup captain in 1966 and I used to be in a band in the late 70's called The Hats - more info at www.mdunne.freeserve.co.uk/hats.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:58:46 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: [loud-fans] community chest Name: Robert Joseph Toren Location: Berkeley, CA (actual cottage is 100 ft south of Berkeley/Oakland border, but I *live* in Berkeley) Occupation: Graphic artist, trainer for SF consulting firm Long-term relationship with Lisa Cowan (who is in Amsterdam for a - sob - while) Children: None that I know of Cats: Two cats, one rabbit (shared with others) Birthday: March 19, 1954 (Saw President Kennedy in person during WVA's centennial) Beard: A gray-specked goatee (Quit drinking I figured I needed a hobby - thus, the beard) Vision correction: Not yet, but I'm holding small objects further away, and why is the text on CDs so damned small!? Why is it so dark in here?!? Met Janet: Once Other: Gardening, hiking, took pictures for Scott's bands, was married to one of his keyboardists ===== blah blah blah Mr. Sensitive Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:43:38 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Introduction Name: G. Andrew Hamlin Location: Seattle, Washington, USA Occupation: As little as possible Things I Get Money To Undergo Sometimes: Writing, subcutaneous injections, catheterization, semen samples Marital Status: Extremely single, no known offspring Birthday: Bloomsday. Ten days after Robert Kennedy was shot. Age: Older than Lester Bangs. (It's still weird.) Beard: They didn't call me "AbraHamlin" in college for nothing! With this latest growth, though, I'm actually getting earnest, nonironic compliments... Vision: Well, they're round, and glassy, and they sit on my face, and the dude at the store told me to get the UV-resistant coating because he lived in New Mexico and saw a lot of cataracts... Met Janet: Not in the flesh, to my enduring sorrow. Vivifying telephone and e-mail exchanges, though. Other: I'm not good at straight answers. Pets: Three adult Furbys (one dead, one Japanese, one disco diva), two Furby Babies, one Shelby, one animatronic E.T., one Poo-Chi, two Wuvluvs. Only one of the above has batteries, though. You'll have to guess. You Learn Something Every Day: Michael Zwirn types real good for a not-quite-four-month-old, Photo Robert's dating an Olympic gymnast, and glenn mcdonald's part of the way towards accepting Furbys into his universe. But maybe I shouldn't put so much on that robotic toad... Andy "If we make Napster-like free file sharing illegal, we'll have to rid ourselves of either computers or democracy. You can't have both." - --Jaron Lanier ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:43:50 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] getting it off my community chest On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Elizabeth Setler wrote: > I've never felt insulted, snubbed or ignored - even when posting > pointless personal anecdotes like the one in which the block next to > mine was closed off due to bees. But that was about COPS fighting BEES! I mean, that was my favorite loudfans post for several months. My feeling about all of this is that loud-fans is still a very warm and inviting list by 1994 standards, which is when I joined. Yes, the community/emotional aspect mostly happens offline, or at least on IRC, but, well, I think that's *fine*. Over the years I've met a few dozen Loudfans, of whom I disliked a whopping 1. (To be fair, two others made me slightly uncomfortable in ways I don't blame them for personally, and one more was nice to everyone else but got very hostile about me having gone to Harvard.) Meanwhile, several have become friends of mine; several more have become occasional correspondents who I wish I got to see more often. Let me compare this place with the Shriekback list for a moment -- Shriek_Digicon started maybe a year ago. Many people on it rapturously talked about how great it was to meet other Shriek fans; it was clear that, right from the start, they felt the kind of support that some people are lamenting not having here. So, what happens on the Shriekback list? A good 25% of posts are from the listowner saying "Welcome to the list!" when anyone joins; most of the people thus welcomed still don't post. The people who DO post exchange one-line personal pleasantries over the list and occasionally gush about how some random thing reminded them of Shriekback. (Every ONCE in a while, this thing will be a band.) Even though there's an explicit call once per week to discuss song lyrics, almost nobody does. It's a disaster. I don't know what anyone gets out of it except for the information forwarded from the band. On the third hand, if there's anything about Loudfans' atmosphere that makes people feel more comfortable openly abusing other listmembers than getting to know folks offlist (and there's been a definite increase in the former this past year) then by all means let's change it. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:53:05 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ken Stringfellow (Scott content) Michael Zwirn wrote: > Michael Mitton and I spoke to Ken Stringfellow tonight, and he says he spoke > to Scott and is going to see him in San Francisco for his gig with Freedy > Johnston. At least, Scott said he'd be at the show. The show is listed as: > > 1.18.2002 : Friday > San Francisco, CA > Great American Music Hall : 859 O'Farrell St. : 8:00 PM I'm also going to be at this show tomorrow, my first concert of 2002, and it should be a good one. If any other loud-fans are going to be attending, let me know. I still haven't picked up Freedy's new album, or the one before it, but he always puts on a good show. And Ken Stringfellow on the same bill almost guarantees that Scott will be in the house (unless he's in Europe, like he was when Ken last played S.F. in September). Chris (NC Chris, not MN Chris) wrote: > Location: Winston-Salem, NC (hometown of Let's Active, The dB's and > Chris Stamey; recording location of Real Nighttime, The Big Shot > Chronicles, and Lolita Nation - not sure where "Two Steps..." was > recorded) Two Steps was recorded at CD Studios in San Francisco, where Lolita Nation was also at least partially recorded. I think Real Nighttime was also recorded in California (in Newark, near where I used to live), but I'm at work and my GT records are at home, so I'm not absolutely sure. Steve Holtebeck, from Hayward CA, a SWM, age 36 (8/21/65), who is left-handed, has glasses but no beard, has met Janet lots of times, also doesn't attend that many movies. (Search for "Cocktails, anyone?" at http://www.escribe.com/music/loudfans for more loud-fans cocktail party introductions from a couple of years ago) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:54:26 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Introduction Name: Roger Winston Location: Lakewood, CO Occupation: My title is "Information Specialist", but I'm really just a glorified computer programmer. Married: Looking increasingly unlikely at this late date Children: Also looking increasingly unlikely at this late date Pets: One fish, Jet Birthday: 9/7/60 Beard: Never. Tried once but couldn't stand the itching. I used to occasionally sport a mustache, but my facial hair color is so light it was pretty much invisible. Vision correction: Glasses. Will probably do Lasik in the next few years. Hobbies: All the usual culprits for this gang, plus home theater. Grand Theft Auto 3. Collecting things. X-treme snowboarding (just kidding). Making derogatory comments. Met Janet: Many times (though not lately), the first of which was at Stewart's in Albuquerque when INTERBABE CONCERN came out. Last LoudFan I came into personal contact with: Michael Zwirn (Oct?) Favorite Scott Album: P&B&R&T First Scottsong heard: Erica's Word (from the video on 120 Minutes) Things about me I wouldn't want posted on a publicly-archived forum: I own not one, but two John Tesh CDs. I don't like celery. Eating certain fruits makes my tongue swell up. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:54:05 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] Whoops! I think I'm no better or worse at straight answers than a lot of people. There, that settles it. But I borrowed the template from Doug's post, and neglected to erase that line. Mysterioso, Andy Three former Symbionese Liberation Army members were arrested in connection with a 27-year-old bank heist and shooting death in Carmichael, officials said Wednesday. "We did arrest some of the members of the original SLA this morning," said sheriff's spokeswoman Sharon Telles. "They are in custody at this time." The SLA is the band of California radicals that made headlines in the 1970s when it kidnapped, then adopted as a member, the newspaper heiress Patricia Hearst. Telles said Emily Harris was arrested at her home in Los Angeles and her ex-husband Bill Harris was arrested in Oakland. Police in Portland, Ore., said a third suspect, Mike Bortin, was arrested at his home in Oregon. The three will be charged with first-degree murder in the shooting death of Myrna Opsahl, who died during the April 21, 1975, robbery of the Crocker National Bank. Hearst took part in the robbery after she joined the SLA. Prosecutors had hoped that testimony by Sara Jane Olson, another former SLA member, would advance the case. Olson, known as Kathleen Soliah at the time of the robbery, is set to be sentenced Friday in Los Angeles for her role in a failed plot to bomb a Los Angeles Police Department cruiser. Officials with the Los Angeles district attorney's office said they shared information on the Olson case with Sacramento investigators. Sandi Gibbons, spokeswoman for the office, would not comment on the specifics of the Sacramento case, including whether Olson might be called to testify. The SLA kidnapped the then-19-year-old Hearst from her Berkeley apartment in February 1974. The group, whose symbol a seven-headed snake, demanded that her parents, Randolph and Catherine Hearst, distribute millions of dollars worth of food to the needy. But then Hearst metamorphosed into Tania, a member of the very group that took her prisoner. Two months after the kidnapping, she was photographed carrying a carbine during a SLA bank holdup in San Francisco -- the robbery for which she eventually was tried, convicted and sent to prison. Six SLA members were killed in a shootout and fire on May 17, 1974. There were scores of sightings, but Hearst didn't re-emerge until Sept. 18, 1975, when she was arrested in San Francisco along with the Harrises. Although she claimed she was the victim of brainwashing, she was convicted in a highly publicized trial and sentenced to seven years for the bank robbery. She served about two years before President Carter commuted her sentence. Olson was a fugitive for nearly a quarter century. In June 1999, FBI agents acting on a tip from "America's Most Wanted" captured her in St. Paul, Minn., where she was living as a mother, a doctor's wife and a community theater actress. Olson pleaded guilty in October to possessing bombs with intent to murder officers. She later made an unsuccessful attempt to withdraw the guilty plea. Hearst was granted immunity from prosecution for her admitted role in the Carmichael robbery. In exchange, Hearst, who was waiting in a getaway car outside the bank, told authorities that Olson and her brother, Steven Soliah, took part in the holdup, along with several other members of the SLA. Steven Soliah was acquitted by a jury. Myrna Opsahl's son, Southern California physician Jon Opsahl, had launched an intense lobbying campaign to pressure Sacramento County District Attorney Jan Scully to file charges in the case. Myrna Opsahl was at the bank to deposit money from her church when she was shot. - --Jim Wasserman, from http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2002/01/16/bank_heist/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:04:25 -0800 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: [loud-fans] re: Introduction birthdate: Sept. 26, 1973 Don't ask about the earlier response. At one point, I was close to being the youngest member of the listserv, but that was before Brian and Jer were around. - -- "Walking to the bus stop Couldn't wait to get off I know I'll be the lucky one" Freedy Johnston ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:27:32 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] getting it off my community chest On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Elizabeth Setler wrote: > > > I've never felt insulted, snubbed or ignored - even when posting > > pointless personal anecdotes like the one in which the block next to > > mine was closed off due to bees. > > But that was about COPS fighting BEES! I mean, that was my favorite > loudfans post for several months. me too! it's almost certain to pop up, thinly disguised and heavily embroidered, in a fiction at some point. the only problem is to make sure it comes out more julio cortazar creepy than x-files-ish - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:27:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Gabriel Subject: [loud-fans] Review: "The Sugar of Lead Technology" by JeFF Jeffrey Norman sent me two swap tapes many, many moons ago. I shall review the first at this time. The first tape was titled, "The Sugar of Lead Technology," which is a very odd title. It contained the following songs (please note the salient, parenthetical comments): SIDE A Photon Band "it to get" Adam Ant "picasso visita la planeta de los simios" (I haven't heard this song since I lost the LP in the early 80s. It was like hearing again from a lost, old friend. Very apropos since it was mailed around the time of Tim Burton's "la planeta de los simios" film release.) The Caribbean "have you thought about turning pro?" Catherine Wheel "the nude" (Got it. Like this album [Chrome], but always will mourn the passing of CW's "Texture" phase.) John Vanderslice "bill gates must die" (Catchy and heartfelt to a proud MacAddict like me.) Enon "come into" Genesis "back in nyc" (Despite initial disappointment that this sounded nothing like "Invisible Touch" [insert bemused laughter here], I enjoyed this. My brother had many early Genesis albums. From which recording does this song derive?) Alice Cooper "billion dollar babies" [Alice is a local hero in the Phoenix/Mesa metroplex and acclaimed golfer.) Jonathan Richman & the Modern Lovers "she cracked" (I own no JR&tML, yet I always like what songs I hear.) Stew "into me" (Another splendid track from a robust CD.) Peter Cook & Dudley Moore "the l.s. bumblebee" (I expect Austin Powers to jump in. The first "Bedazzled" outdid the second.) The Bonzo Dog Band "mr. apollo" The Woodentops "tuesday wednesday" Side B The Fall "cruisers creek" (See prior note on JR&tML.) The Move "what?" The Fletcher Pratt "spin label" (Muy good. More info?) Momus "m.c. escher" Death by Chocolate "a b & c" Lilys "won't make you (sleepy)" - (I [heart icon] The Lilys in all of their myriad genres.) Microdisney "rack" - (Who was in this band... Sean O'Hagan? Jim O'Rourke? Mickey Rourke? Someone O'Something?) Alison Faith Levy "the apprentice" (Exxxcellent version.) Those Bastard Souls "curious state" American Music Club "johnny mathis' feet" OMD "the romance of the telescope" (Much like an infant's pate, I have a soft spot, but mine is for early electronica. Pre-corporate OMD squishes it in quite nicely.) Thank you for your tape and great patience. I'm working on the second review as well. ===== 777777777777777777777777777777 JON GABRIEL mesa, arizona usa inkling communication + design 777777777777777777777777777777 Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:57:50 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Introduction Name: Michael Mitton Location: Portland, OR Birthdate: 3 May 1973 Married/Girlfriend: No, and No Part-time Occupation: Economist--assistant to expert witness, usually anti-trust litigation Future Occupation: Writer Sports to Watch: European Cycling, College Basketball Sports to Play: Cycling, Rock Climbing Favorite Bands I've Never Seen Mentioned on List: The Delgados, Mojave 3 Facial Hair: In my dreams Eyesight: I have the eyes of ten hawks Hair Color: Varies Saddest Loud-Fan Related Moment: Missing the 125 Records Bash due to unscheduled hospital visit Website: http://www.filmatters.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:10:06 -0800 From: "Brandon J. Carder" Subject: [loud-fans] Introduction First let me say that initially I felt like Jenny Grover made some important points and I sympathized heartily. But though I have felt similar discouragement in the past, this list never fails to surprise me. The way everyone has stopped and taken stock over the last couple of days has really impressed me and I am proud to count myself (no matter how inconsequential) among the ranks of Loud Fans. Secondly, imagine my quandary as I subscribed to this list and slowly came to realize you are all just about old enough to be my parents. Name: Brandon J. Carder Sex: Male Citrus: Small Lime, but peeled J: is for John (but Fred Juhos thought it could be Jesus) Place of Birth: Ukiah, CA Date of same: 01/22/80 (yes that's an eight, ok?) Current Locale: Fort Bragg, CA Previous: Oakland (Westside five n dime, represent!) Woke up this morning: played The Eyes of the Beacon Street Union as sunlight flooded the room. Bands: The Pink Monkeez (94-97), Flaxen (98-99) Musical Progression: Pop to Punk to New Wave to Pop to Indie Rock to Post-Rock to Electronica to Psych and back to Pop again. Brush with celebrity: Our Scott wanted to touch my silver spraypainted mohawk at Cafe This in Santa Rosa nearly seven years ago. Brush with Game Theory: The Waist and The Knees Facial Hair: Not with that mohawk, that's for sure! Beard now, inexplicably at girlfriend's insistence. Glasses: Highball Ongoing Sorrow: My girlfriend hates the Loud Family and she especially hates Game Theory. Favorite record you've never heard: The Hundred Handed s/t My boss thinks I do a little bit of everything at Cypress House/QED/Lost Coast Press Publishers of Exotic Paper Airplanes by Thay Yang and Tales From the Mountain by Pulitzer Prize nominee, Miguel Torga but in all actuality I'm just posting to a bunch of old fogeys' band list. Literary Allusion: We don't rent pigs. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:18:57 -0500 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] Introductions (ns) That's weird. I was saving all these introductions to a special file for future reference. Anyway, I just checked and all of the introductions from cute redheaded chicks between the ages of 18 and 25 seem to be missing. Can someone repost those to the list? Thanks!! - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:43:01 -0500 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Introductions (ns) On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:18:57 -0500, dana-boy@juno.com wrote: >That's weird. I was saving all these introductions to a special file for >future reference. Anyway, I just checked and all of the introductions >from cute redheaded chicks between the ages of 18 and 25 seem to be >missing. Really? That's strange. >Can someone repost those to the list? Done. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:42:31 -0800 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Introduction Name: Tim Walters Location: SF, CA, US Occupation: Software test engineer for well-known digital audio equipment manufacturer who just today announced the incredibly bitchin' product that's been keeping me very busy for quite a while (check out http://www.digidesign.com for 192 kHz of pure pleasure) Married to Josie Porter for almost a year and a half (and thrilled about it). She loves GT/LF, by the way. Children: ixnay Birthyear: 1962 Beard: had one for two months once. Unfortunately, there are pictures. These days, I shave once a week whether I need it or not. Vision correction: the usual. At least they're not aviators anymore. Met Janet: Yes, and would love to do so again Other: http://www.doubtfulpalace.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:04:22 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Review: "The Sugar of Lead Technology" by JeFF On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Jon Gabriel wrote: > Genesis "back in nyc" (Despite initial disappointment > that this sounded nothing like "Invisible Touch" > [insert bemused laughter here], I enjoyed this. My > brother had many early Genesis albums. From which > recording does this song derive?) First song, side 2 (of 4) from THE LAMB LIES DOWN ON BROADWAY. Jeff Buckley did a cover of this, relased on one of his many posthumous CDs. Great song. Ironic, considering your name, that you hadn't heard this before... J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:04:55 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Introduction Well, since everyone else is playing... Name: Stewart Allensworth Mason Location: Albuquerque NM, though I was born in a tiny west Texas oil town and grew up in Boulder CO Occupation: Freelance writer (manuals, grants, music, cooking, etc.) Marital status: engaged Children: no Pets: none Birthdate: June 30, 1969 Beard: Like others, I don't shave every day (see "occupation" above), but I haven't had a full beard for close to a decade Vision correction: switched to glasses when I moved to eastern New Mexico (circa '89) because contacts are no fun in a dust storm Hobbies: Galore Met Janet: Several times Sports: I used to go to the minor league baseball games here, but the team was sold Claims to fame: Namechecked in the chorus of a song by Flake, the group that eventually became the Shins Fave GT/LF album: Lolita Nation/Days For Days Song: We Love You Carol and Alison/Jimmy Still Comes Around First Scottsong: "Erica's Word" on KTXT-FM, Lubbock, late 1986, although previous to that I had heard Fred's "I Wanna Get Hit By A Car" several times on the same station. (My first thought on hearing "Erica": "This is Game Theory? When did they get a new singer?") Veggies of choice: spinach (stir-fried with lots of garlic and chiles), brussels sprouts (blanched, tossed in butter or olive oil and roasted until browned), asparagus (lightly steamed with nothing at all on it, not even salt) ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #20 ******************************