From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #15 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, January 15 2002 Volume 02 : Number 015 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Fans of Polar Expeditions.... ["O Geier" ] Re: [loud-fans] Fans of Polar Expeditions.... [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Fans of Polar Expeditions.... ["O Geier" ] Fwd: Re: [loud-fans] Pretzelgate - NO Scott [Mike Curley ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:12:18 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] Fans of Polar Expeditions.... A&E will air a four hour movie on Ernest Shackleton's Antarctic Expedition in April. For anyone who doesn't know the story, Shackleton held the record for reaching the southernmost point on earth in his quest for the pole, until Amundsden and Scott reached it. Many thought Shackers would have conquered it had he been not been Irish, and received the kind of support that Scott did. The expedition the movie deals with is his attempt to cross the Antarctic continent across the pole, the last great polar feat not completed. His boat the Endurance was caught in pack ice for over a year, and was finally crushed. The crew jumped from ice floe to ice floe, before using their life boats to reach Elephant Island. Frank Hurley documented all of this with photographs and movies. Then, Shackleton and a small crew launched one of the life boats for an 800 mile journey to South Georgia Island, through unforgiving seas and weather, using only a sextant and compass to guide them. It is regarded as one of the greatest sailing feats ever. Once on South Georgia, they then had to cross a glacier to reach civilization. Then Shackleton hired a boat and retreived his crew. The amazing thing is that the entire crew of the Endurance survived. This remarkable story was all but forgotten, thanks to! it's coincidence with World War One. This story is now receiving a lot of attention thanks to touring exhibits of the photos, a new IMAX film, and Caroline Alexander's book on the subject. If you get a chance to see the exhibit, do so. Sorry, this is so off topic, but this story is so amazing I had to share it. Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:48:28 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fans of Polar Expeditions.... TNT will air a two hour movie on ABC's "Monday Night Football" tonight. For anyone who doesn't know the story, Howard Cosell, Frank Gifford, and Don Meredith hosted a legendary event in sports programming throughout the 1970's. Many thought football would not succceed when being shown at night during the work week. The challenges the movie deals with are the controversial Cosell and his relationship with viewers and his fellow commentators, while directors worked behind the scenes to create an innovative look for the game. A man named Chet Forte was the real brains behind "Monday Night Football." He created all that stuff that has since become commonplace -multiple cameras, the close-ups of the game and the fans, the miked refs and so on. The amazing thing is that the entire concept of "Monday Night Football" survived. This remarkable story was all but forgotten, thanks to it's coincidence with the disaster films of Irwin Allen. This story is now receiving a lot of attention thanks to existing tapes of the shows, old people with good memories, and Jon Voight's touching performance as Costello in the recent film "Ali." If you get a chance to see any old tapes of "Monday Night Football," do so. Sorry, this is so off topic, but this story is so amazing I had to share it. Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:11:39 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fans of Polar Expeditions.... JRT-I've always hated you, but I won't for the rest of today. Unless of course I pass out from od'ing on coke, hit my head on the table, say I choked on a pretzel and forget that I hate you. Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:16:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fans of Polar Expeditions.... - --- JRT456@aol.com wrote: > films of Irwin Allen. This story is now receiving a lot of attention thanks > to existing tapes of the shows, old people with good memories, and Jon > Voight's touching performance as Costello in the recent film "Ali." Would that be an early "Elvis" Costello or a late "Lou" Costello? I haven't seen "Ali" yet. - - Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:27:45 -0600 From: "Dennis McGreevy" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top Films of 2001 dana presents for our consideration: (3) that you learn more from getting high with your friends than you do from books and television; <><><><><><> What if you get high and watch TV? (4) that sexual confidence and tender, masculine love for woman is the blood-tissue foundation of any valid political movement <><><><><><><> Like Feminism? - --Dennis, not sure which to trust less, me or that letter, both being over 30 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:34:23 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fans of Polar Expeditions.... In a message dated 1/14/02 9:13:36 AM, ocgiii@hotmail.com writes: << Unless of course I pass out from od'ing on coke, hit my head on the table, say I choked on a pretzel...>> Hey, Greg Norman wasn't anywhere near the White House this weekend! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:49:10 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: [loud-fans] Pretzelgate - NO Scott *** Bush Faints From Eating Pretzel "I do not find any reason that this would happen again," Tubb said. "He fainted due to a temporary decrease in heart rate brought on by swallowing a pretzel." The doctor said it is possible that the pretzel stimulated the vagus nerve, which runs up the neck and regulates the heart rate. Its stimulation can cause the pulse to drop. It's also possible a mild illness could have caused the episode, White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said. Bush has a bruise on his lower lip and a scrape on his left cheek bone about the size of a half-dollar, Fleischer said. He thinks his head either hit the floor or a table next to the couch and that his glasses cut his face, Fleischer said. Based on the fact that his dogs did not appear to have moved -- "except they were looking at him funny" -- **** uhhh, anyone else not buying this? the explanation feels patched together; i never fainted from eating a pretzel_ passed out from drinking too much during a football game maybe... should eating pretzels while driving or working heavy equipment be banned? where are the public health announcements??? maybe Cheney cold-cocked him for sassing back about Cheney's Enron connections? the 'vagus nerve' my ass_ robert ===== blah blah blah Mr. Sensitive Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:11:49 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Pretzelgate - NO Scott On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Robert Toren wrote: > uhhh, anyone else not buying this? the explanation > feels patched together; i never fainted from eating a > pretzel_ passed out from drinking too much during a > football game maybe... Bingo. No matter what the truth is, Aaron Sorkin must be doing a Snoopy dance over the fact that West Wing is currently doing a plotline about a former alcoholic falling off the wagon and trying to cover it up... a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:25:07 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Pretzelgate - NO Scott In a message dated 1/14/02 9:50:18 AM, xgamesters2000@yahoo.com writes of President Bush, pretzels, and the vagus nerve: << uhhh, anyone else not buying this? the explanation feels patched together; i never fainted from eating a pretzel_ passed out from drinking too much during a football game maybe... >> Has anyone ever noticed that I'm never the first to bring up politics here? Anyway, I hate to disagree with all the M.D.'s on this list, but extensive research--that is, typing in "pretzel choking death" into a search engine--turns up plenty of articles about pretzels as a common choking hazard. This may be one of those administrations where you don't have to automatically wonder what's really happening. In that same spirit, it was sad to finally see a reference to Enron here. Please refrain until the DNC folks can get their own act together about whether to create a scandal over corrupt influence or evil negligence. In the meantime, follow the New York Times lead and just dissect the issue without ever mentioning Bill Clinton. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:08:11 -0600 From: "Dennis McGreevy" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Pretzelgate - NO Scott It was probably our planet's crypto-cabal of intergalactic masters testing their puppet's self destruct device. But about this "stimulation of the vagus nerve" business, wasn't the official story that the president is *male*? or, as Emperor would say, "OUWAARRGGRHHHH!" - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:34:58 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Pretzelgate - NO Scott <> Your assumed role as the victim proves this statement. <> Karl: Ari, we need a plausible explanation for him passing out! Ari: How bout..............he choked on something? Karl: Perfect, how bout......he's watching TV....News? No, too aloof. A movie? No, too much fodder...Sports? Yeah, football!! Now, what was he eating? Nachos? No, too unhealthy. Popcorn? Too potentially unhealthy. Hey, pretzels are low fat, and agreeable with Johnny Punchclock. That's it pretzels!!! Okay, I'll brief the doctor, you get the boys in I.S. to get some aged web sites about pretzel chocking deaths up and running. I want a full on blitz, like the folks on 'West Wing' did with MS. Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ----Original Message Follows---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:38:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Curley Subject: Fwd: Re: [loud-fans] Pretzelgate - NO Scott Of course, if I wanted to quickly come up with a plausible excuse for the plainly visible injuries received from passing out...oh, I mean fainting...the first place I would look would be the web... However, all of this speculation proves nothing. The only thing we can all agree on is that Bush has an unfortunate tendency to sport embarrassing facial wounds. First the boil, and now the cuts and bruises from the pretzel. I think we should all be asking whether or not this behavior is "presidential." Mike - --- JRT456@aol.com wrote: but extensive research--that is, typing in "pretzel choking death" into a search engine--turns up plenty of articles about pretzels as a common choking hazard. Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:50:50 -0500 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: RE: Re: [loud-fans] Pretzelgate - NO Scott Maybe George just got a little too excited at the skillful reportoire of the nubile intern under the desk. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:52:56 -0500 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top Films of 2001 Dennis said: On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:27:45 -0600 "Dennis McGreevy" writes: > dana presents for our consideration: > > (3) that you learn more from getting high with your friends than you > do from > books and television; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to clarify, the above pearl of wisdom appeared in a letter from Timothy Leary to Playboy, which I am fortunate enough to have seen because my darling wife bought me a nearly complete set of '67-'69 Playboys for my birthday present. Sadly, I don't have the issue where Ayn Rand wrote in to complain about Hef's attempts to bring smut up to the level of high art, but I do have much of the Playboy Philosophy, which brings me great comfort in these times of uncertainty. - --dana ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:40:06 -0600 From: "Dennis McGreevy" Subject: RE: Re: [loud-fans] Pretzelgate - NO Scott Maybe George just got a little too excited at the skillful reportoire of the nubile intern under the desk. <><><><><><><> I don't think that such moral issues will ever be a problem in this administration. Consider: Clinton could, clearly, talk his way into or out of just about anything, be it swampland real estate, an intern, even the presidency itself. His successor, for all the charm of his "with us or against us"-isms, seems as though he would have trouble talking his way out of a paper bag, if he were to go off script. Sleazy conceptual sophistication such as truth in a situation being contingent on the definition of the word "is", or any of the various "Honest, baby, I [will/won't] _________________," hedge constructions are, in my opinion anyhow, probably pretty far beyond his ability to pull off either without grievious malapropism, or convincingly. So in that limited sense, our nation is safe. "...Our Nation I Safe.", - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:36:59 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fans of Polar Expeditions.... On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 JRT456@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/14/02 9:13:36 AM, ocgiii@hotmail.com writes: > > << Unless of course I pass out from od'ing on coke, hit my head on the > table, say I choked on a pretzel...>> > > Hey, Greg Norman wasn't anywhere near the White House this weekend! I can testify to that fact: my brother was in Madison celebrating our nephew's birthday. (Yes, my brother is named "Greg Norman": he's not the Australian golfer, nor the Chicago-based recording engineer. But he was the bass player with Pachinko, on Alternative Tentacles...and before that, played bass with Bill Swan's (Beulah) first band. Plus, I once was in the same room with a guy who banked at the same bank as Pete Rose.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ np: David Sylvian _Gone to Earth_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:50:01 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Toren Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Pretzelgate - NO Scott or Kenneth Lay cold-cocked him for hanging Enron out to dry_ Dennis McGreevy wrote: > Maybe George just got a little too excited at the > skillful reportoire of > the nubile intern under the desk. ===== blah blah blah Mr. Sensitive Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:12:46 -0500 From: "Chris Murtland" Subject: RE: Re: [loud-fans] Pretzelgate - NO Scott I'm even down with the president of the US hitting the bottle on Sunday afternoon. What I can't stomach is the thought of him or her watching football. Of course, I suppose it could be wrasslin' instead. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:39:32 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top Films of 2001 >Just to clarify, the above pearl of wisdom appeared in a letter from >Timothy Leary to Playboy, which I am fortunate enough to have seen >because my darling wife bought me a nearly complete set of '67-'69 >Playboys for my birthday present. Sadly, I don't have the issue where >Ayn Rand wrote in to complain about Hef's attempts to bring smut up to >the level of high art, but I do have much of the Playboy Philosophy, >which brings me great comfort in these times of uncertainty. Alex Hailey toe to toe with George Lincoln Rockwell, was always my favorite Playboy interview. The letter from William Heirens, too, but that was later... Andy "Come now gentlemen your love is all I crave You'll still be in the circus When I'm laughing,laughing in my grave..." - --from "Memo From Turner," written by Mick Jagger ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #15 ******************************