From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V2 #7 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, January 7 2002 Volume 02 : Number 007 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Re: Magnet articles [JRT456@aol.com] [loud-fans] seriously [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: you'll hate me for this [David A Seldin ] RE: [loud-fans] Re: Magnet articles [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Chat? ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] Fw: more 2001 notes [Vivebonpop@aol.com] [loud-fans] response to criticism [Vivebonpop@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:56:58 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Magnet articles In a message dated 1/5/02 10:34:22 PM, glenn@furia.com writes: << I'm with John, and if people are lining up to say he should have sent that note privately, I'll cast my vote otherwise. Private emails have been tried ad nauseum, and done no good. >> People have actually been sending Mark S. off-list notes lecturing him on how to behave here? I can't imagine a better way to make Mark seem like, say, only the 20th most self-obsessed person on this list. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:57:57 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] seriously This magic place you go where no one ever rubs you the wrong way? I was going to say I'd like to go, though I've never been, but actually, I'll pass; sounds dull. So: in my life, I put up with people in some circumstances who annoy me. Tones of voice that grate. Bad attitudes. Smarminess. Self-pity/inaction twofers. etc. Am I catty enough to discuss such things in private with other folks? Absolutely. Do I think it typical to have them aired in public fora? Well, gee, not usually. Cohort of mine recently called this to my attention. Thought I'd share. If you give me your attention, I will tell you what I am: I'm a genuine philanthropist - all other kinds are sham. Each little fault of temper and each social defect In my erring fellow-creatures, I endeavour to correct. To all their little weaknesses I open people's eyes; And little plans to snub the self-sufficient I devise; I love my fellow creatures - I do all the good I can - Yet ev'rybody says I'm such a disagreeable man! And I can't think why! To compliments inflated I've a withering reply; And vanity I always do my best to mortify; A charitable action I can skilfully dissect; And interested motives I'm delighted to detect; I know ev'rybody's income and what ev'rybody earns; And I carefully compare it with the income-tax returns; But to benefit humanity however much I plan, Yet ev'rybody says I'm such a disagreeable man! And I can't think why! I'm sure I'm no ascetic; I'm as pleasant as can be; You'll always find me ready with a crushing repartee, I've an irritating chuckle, I've a celebrated sneer, I've an entertaining snigger, I've a fascinating leer. To ev'rybody's prejudice I know a thing or two; I can tell a woman's age in half a minute - and I do. But though I try to make myself as pleasant as I can, Yet ev'rybody says I'm such a disagreeable man! And I can't think why! WS Gilbert, /Princess Ida/ (http://math.boisestate.edu/gas/princess_ida/html/pi_06.html) - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:26:16 -0500 From: David A Seldin Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: you'll hate me for this Kelly, I was there, too! Although it was far from my first show, it was the first place I witnessed stage-diving. Which made me feel old (Kids today, with their music and their hair and their self-destructive behavior!). David On Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:04:09 -0500 "Kelly O'Connor" writes: > >Folks, I don't usually have reason to go on this list and brag about > >anything, but I have to get this off my chest: > > > >I saw Mission of fucking Burma rehearse tonight. > > > >Amazing how a band can still change your life after all this time... > > Brett, > > I'm guessing I should know the answer to this already, but does this mean > those of us who have Avalon tickets ought to get them for the Paradise too? > > The first rock concert I ever saw was Mission of Burma's last all-ages show > at the Bradford Ballroom. It's quite a memory. I'm glad to know that the > reunion should do that memory justice! > > Kelly > sittingstill@hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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And the way smoe munges the headers I haven't been able to > get a filter working effectively. But this isn't a moderated list. And you're forgetting the third option: delete unread. And really, I'm curious what sort of warnings Mark's behavior would gather. At what point does personal narrative become excessive? Very few posts to this list (or any other unmoderated list I've been on) are objective, strictly on-topic content - how could they be, given the very subjective nature of our reaction to music, films, and whatever else we talk about here? - so there's no objective standard to fall back upon but one's own dislikes for the style of any individual's posts. And so the only way for the list as a whole to establish such a standard is to pretend we're on _Survivor_ or something and vote whether or not to kick Mark off the island. But for me, such an approach would be completely foreign to the ethos of an unmoderated list. Furthermore, I at least find it ironic that John would refer to 'the way the list used to be" - when, in private e-mails with several long-time listers (or ex-listers), the sort of personal infighting this episode represents is the one factor they would point to in analyzing the decline of this list. I fail to understand people's needs to indulge in jihads against the behavior of others that they find tiresome: why not just ignore them, if that's how you feel? What makes a list work isn't the on-topic commentary of folks: it's the mix of personalities on the list. And inevitably, some of those personalities are going to rub others the wrong way. But as Doug implies, a paradise of universal acceptance is ultimately boring. But hey, you disagree, you can just hit the delete key. Off to read one person's lengthy personal ramblings in the guise of music reviews... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach":: __William Gass__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 17:10:01 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] seriously Know what's annoying? People going on and on about how annoying other people are. Oh no... now I'm starting to do it. Ack! It's contagious! Quick! Grab the Lysol! Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:05:15 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] Chat? irc.eskimo.com #loudfans for the next hour or two. Hope to see some folk. Grabbed in my sleep, Andy "Anger neither transcends nor undermines morality; it flat-out obliterates it, through a dehumanizing magic whereby any living thing can be attacked as a mere symbol, whether it be a lippy girlfriend, a misbehaving child, or 5,000 faceless office workers seated 80 stories above New York City. The alchemy of anger is perfect, the immediate results exhilarating, even sexy. And the longer you bottle it up, the bigger the bang." - --Rick Levin, from http://www.thestranger.com/2001-12-27/feature.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:25:33 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Fw: more 2001 notes More from my friend at the station, Joe Kendrick (edited). Thought this would be of interest. XXXOOO, Pariah Hairy np Frosted "Cold" In music news, ex-North Carolinian Don Dixon underwent emergency bypass surgery last year after experiencing chest pains lifting furniture. Does anyone remember "Praying Mantis" or "Most of the Girls Want to Dance But Only Some of the Boys Do", a couple of his minor radio hits? Don has produced many area musicians' records as well as his own music. The even more unfortunate thing about his surgery was that he and his wife had just dropped their health insurance -- in an effort to afford making Don's newest record! The Cat's Cradle in Carrboro put on a benefit show to help him out. Don played live in our studio recently. Thinking about Don brings to mind a whole category left untouched in my earlier text: longevity in the music business. Many artists' releases from 2001 deserve recognition in this regard. I will note a few that come to mind, and welcome your comments and additions to this subject as well: Crooked Fingers -- Bring on the Snakes. Eric Bachmann was frontman for Archers of Loaf and Barry Black, and after the Archers' 1998 breakup founded Crooked Fingers. Bring on the Snakes is their second record and marks a decade of musical releases from Eric. Other notable rock stalwarts with releases last year include Bob Dylan, Iggy Pop, Neil Haggerty and Royal Trux, PJ Harvey, Greyboy, Michael Franti [In 1986 Franti formed the drum'n'bass/industrial duo the Beatnigs with turntablist Rono Tse which disbanded after releasing one album. He then formed the Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy, whose combination of jazz-influenced heavy rap set out to challenge the materialism and misogyny of what had become mainstream ra], Chris Knox [Possibly the most important figure in New Zealand alternative/indie/post-punk rock, Chris Knox has been an integral figure of three of the country's more important rock bands (Tall Dwarfs, Toy Love, the Enemy), as well as recording prolifically as a solo artist. He sang with one of the country's very first punk acts, the Enemy, in the late '70s], Tortoise [First formed in Chicago in 1990, Tortoise began when Doug McCombs (bass; formerly of Eleventh Dream Day) and John Herndon (drums, keyboards, vibes; formerly with the Poster Children) began experimenting with production techniques. The duo intended to record on their own as well as provide an instant rhythm section for needy bands b inspired by the reggae duo Sly & Robbie. Next aboard was producer/drummer/vibes-player John McEntire and guitarist Bundy K. Brown (both former members of Bastro) plus percussionist Dan Bitney (formerly with the SST hardcore band Tar Babies)], Jim O'Rourke [American post-classical composer Jim O'Rourke has been a key component in the increasing overlap of of the American and European experimental music avant-garde, working in everything from jazz and rock to ambient and electro-acoustic and building many a bridge in between. A Chicago native, his work has found equal truck with experimental jazz and noise fanatics, chill room denizens, and bedroom experimentalists, and has had the resultant effect of cross-polinating many otherwise isolated compositional communities. Dealing most often with prepared guitar in improvisational group settings, O'Rourke has also released a fair bit of material as a soloist, althought more often in the electro-acoustic/musique concrete vein. He's collaborated with such contemporary improv heroes as Derek Bailey, Henry Kaiser, Eddie Prevost and Keith Rowe (of English improv group AMM), KK Null, David Jackman (Organum), and early Krautrock experimentalists Faust. O'Rourke is also engaged in an ongoing exploration of experimental rock as a member of Gastr Del Sol, who've released albums through the Teen Beat and Table of the Elements labels], and David Axelrod ... I could go on and on. I got the parenthetical info from All Music Guide, btw. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:52:02 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] response to criticism I have a few friends on this list who want to read my posts, and are interested in what I have to say, and like my sense of humor and my point of view on things. I've had a few list members try to run me off, and I did, until I realized that I was letting people I don't know (How could I know? Some of you are about as open as a molting snake, with fangs of irony) try to tell me how to act, or what to post? And then I'd get nice letters asking me to come back. I venture to say that I've been into Scott's music much longer than many of you, so I have EVERY RIGHT TO BE HERE. For those of you who dislike me, just do like the others that don't, and don't acknowledge my presence (Now WHO is the mature one?) That "delete" key works wonders. Mark Apparently my attempt at respecting another list member by placing an "S." after my name isn't necessary. Respect isn't what it seems to be about here. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V2 #7 *****************************