From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #359 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, December 30 2001 Volume 01 : Number 359 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] neko case advisory [dmw ] [loud-fans] What I liked this year ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: [loud-fans] A Beautiful Mind... [Michael Mitton ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:45:33 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] neko case advisory neko case's first band, maow, has a record called _the unforgiving sounds of..._ (on mint, readily available) ...case sings on roughly half the tunes (and drums!); it's garage-y with a thin, very indie kinda sound. case's voice is a stand out & you get to her her sing a nancy sinatra tune. you might think it sounds more like new pornographers than like case's solo records...or not. - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:42:32 -0500 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] What I liked this year In order. My only comment is it was very unusual this year having the top album from a band I'd never heard of previously and that they are Swedish, but BEHIND THE MUSIC is one amazing album. - -Larry 1. The Soundtrack of Our Lives - Behind The Music 2. Steve Wynn and the Miracle 3 - Here Come The Miracles 3. Guided by Voices - Isolation Drills 4. Alejandro Escovedo - A Man Under the Influence 5. Lucinda Williams - Essence 6. The Mockers - Living In The Holland Tunnel 7. Ken Stringfellow - Touched 8. Tommy Keene - Showtunes 9. Paula Carino - Aquacade 10. Anderson Council - Coloursound 11. Scott Miller & the Commonwealth - Thus Always to Tyrants 12. You Am I - Dress Me Slowly 13. Kevin Salem - Ecstatic 14. Lolas - Silver Dollar Sunday 15. The Bigger Lovers - How I Learned to Stop Worrying 16. Cotton Mather - The Big Picture 17. The Gripweeds - Summer of a Thousand Years 18. Neilson Hubbard - Why Men Fail 19. Bobby Sutliff - Allsorts 20. Ian Hunter - Rant And the very close ones..... Paula Kelley - Nothing/Everything Eels - Souljacker Autumn Defense - Green Hour Richard Lloyd - The Cover Doesn't Matter Moods for Moderns - Loud & Clear Sloan - Pretty Together Teenage Fanclub - Howdy Graham Parker - Deepcut to Nowhere Pernice Brothers - World Won't End Matt Piucci - Helleness Girls Say Yes - To Boys Who Say No Spoon - Girls Can Tell Young Fresh Fellows & the Minus 5 - Because We Hate You ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:56:38 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] A Beautiful Mind... >John Nash, who is >probably the single most important person for developing game theory I certainly won't argue that Nash expanded and amplified game theory, making it something it hadn't been before. It's important to remember, though, that he took his cues from the earlier work of John von Neumann and Oskar Morgenstern, generally considered the founders of game theory. Though such ideas had been floating around long before 1944, when von Neumann and Morgenstern published their crucial tome. Here's one chronology: http://william-king.www.drexel.edu/top/class/histf.html I encourage everyone to read the A BEAUTIFUL MIND book, and skip the movie. Here's a review of the movie seemingly indicating that all the things I was afraid they'd do, they actually did: http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/review/2001/12/21/beautiful_mind/index.html In addition to A BEAUTIFUL MIND, I recommend reading PRISONER'S DILEMMA by William Poundstone (not the Richard Powers novel of the same name, though maybe that's good too), a nice tour (so far as I can tell, being chronically left-brain-challenged) of von Neumann's life and work, especially as it relates to the cold war. Incidentally the film WARGAMES, for those who remember it, turns out to have at least as much game theory as computer geekdom embedded in its essence. Here's a column of mine with related musings: http://www.pandomag.net/featurestext/45ChickenOutOfHell.htm CPE1704TKS, Andy Q: Why do you think you were so much better at selling than your comrades? A: First of all, I hustled since I was a kid. I had every girl in the neighborhood nude and every guy in the neighborhood stealing from their parents. Q: Well, you're still trying to get girls nude, according to your website. A: I don't know why but it makes me feel loved or special if girls take off their clothes for me. Not that I'm interested in looking, because I don't even look, I'm not sexualized by it, it just makes me feel like I'm special to them if they'll do this thing for me. Q: Right... A: I had by far the most money and the most things of anyone in the neighborhood without my parents giving me one penny. My father to this day--I'm 39 years old--has never given me a penny or bought me a dinner or a piece of clothing, or given me a gift. There was just no way that I was going to have a shitty goalie mask, or a shitty football helmet, or not the cool white cleats or not the first aluminum bat. From the very start I was very aggressive at hustling and surviving. - --actor/filmmaker Vincent Gallo, from an interview with Andrew Monko at http://www.resonancemag.com/vincentgallo.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:32:07 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] A Beautiful Mind... On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > I certainly won't argue that Nash expanded and amplified game theory, making > it something it hadn't been before. It's important to remember, though, > that he took his cues from the earlier work of John von Neumann and Oskar > Morgenstern, generally considered the founders of game theory. Though such > ideas had been floating around long before 1944, when von Neumann and > Morgenstern published their crucial tome. Here's one chronology: Well, yes and no. Von Neumann was mostly interested in cooperative game theory (where players can make binding contracts before the game is played). Today, cooperative game theory is almost never used in economics (or biology), and only occasionally in, say, political science. His one result in non-cooperative games was a limited result, only applicable to zero-sum games, that is, games where one person's gain is another person's loss, which also hardly ever come up in economics. The main reason the 1944 book is remembered is for Von Neumann's expected utility theory, without which economic analysis (including game theory) would be nearly impossible. Indeed, it's well-recognized that the emprical evidence against expected utility far outweighs the evidence for, but no tractable alternative is really available, so economists keep chugging along with it in spite of the evidence. > I encourage everyone to read the A BEAUTIFUL MIND book, and skip the movie. > Here's a review of the movie seemingly indicating that all the things I was > afraid they'd do, they actually did: I won't disagree with this, but I will say that Sylvia Nasar, the author, is pleased with the film. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:45:46 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: [loud-fans] more songs, more questions 1. Although I do not wish to imply any serious familial resemblance between what I come up with fiddling around in my spare room and what the many list members possessed of actual musicianship and/or songwriting skills do in their varyingly professional lives, I did just finish two more of what pass for songs in my house. If you're curious (if nothing else, then about exactly how little technical ability is necessary to have fun with home recording), there are mp3s on my web site at www.furia.com/songs ("Seven of Mourning, Eight of Stars" and "Holy Life" are the new ones). 2. The rewind mechanism on my venerable Tascam four-track broke while I was working on "Holy Life", which was almost perfect timing since I'd already decided to replace it with a new digital recorder as my Christmas present to myself as soon as I got done with the song. Maybe it knew. Anyway, I limped through the rest of the song using a spare tape deck as a rewinder, and then set about replacing the twelve-year-old guts of my little recording setup with more modern technology. Most of the really fun decisions I made on my own (Tascam 788, Korg Triton), but does anybody who's being doing this more seriously than me have recommendations on <$1000 near-field monitors? My old system was routed into my stereo for monitoring, which was obviously ludicrous. I'm leaning towards getting a pair of Tannoy Reveal Actives, but I'm open to input. glenn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:18:41 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] A Beautiful Mind... In a message dated 12/29/01 3:05:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, zoom@speakeasy.org writes: > he took his cues from the earlier work of John von Neumann and Oskar > Morgenstern, generally considered the founders of game theory I didn't know Rhoda Morgenstern came from such brainy stock! Mark, asking the dietary question, What IS a sensible dinner exactly? Does it have good arch support? Does it vote Republican? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:28:25 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Happiness music That Solondz film, "Happiness"...the title song Michael Stipe sings with Rain Phoenix...is it available anywhere? I didn't find anything about a soundtrack album for the film online. Anyone? Thankyou. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 01:48:01 -0800 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] Dufus I heard a band on WFMU tonight called Dufus and I liked them alot. If you go to this website you can click onto some clips of their songs. One I especially like is "When She Speak". Carolyn ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #359 *******************************