From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #356 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, December 27 2001 Volume 01 : Number 356 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Why? [Vivebonpop@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Why? [Vivebonpop@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Counting Out Time / First Purchase Of 2002 ["Aaron Milens] [loud-fans] Lord of the Rings [Chris Prew ] Re: [loud-fans] Lord of the Rings ["midpac" ] Re: [loud-fans] Lord of the Rings [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] 2001 top tentative [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Lord of the Rings [John Cooper ] Re: [loud-fans] Lord of the Rings [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] [loud-fans] FYI [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Lord of the Rings [Michael Bowen ] [loud-fans] Death in the Family [Michael Bowen ] Re: [loud-fans] Death in the Family [dc ] Re: [loud-fans] Death in the Family [dc ] [loud-fans] TTOOL [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:38:03 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Why? I realize now after the smoke cleared that I'm too attached to Scott's music to be objective about it. I go and assassinate the characters of an ambiguous bunch known as the "media gatekeepers." However, as emotional and twisted as my reasoning probably is, I think there is still some shred of truth to it. When I used to DJ at WNCW, I would always make a point to play at least one Scott tune every hour. One night, I devoted an entire shift's (4 hours) worth of time to Scott. No, I didn't play Scott nonstop ("WSCT, all Scott, all the time") but I played Scott every set, so that was one in four songs. I mentioned during this particular evening's shift that I was devoting my show to his music. Two days later I went to my local record haunt, and every Game Theory title was gone. There was the entire Alias catalog there shortly before my shift. They were all still in print then. I don't recall checking the Loud Family section, but I should have. I was in the "G"s looking for something, and just happened to notice. Perhaps it is incorrect for me to assume that they sold because I played a lot of GT, but is it? I still believe that they sold because I played them, and music lovers in my area listen to that station. Just imagine if more DJs across the country said "F--- it" to play lists, took a little heat, and did the same thing? Not all stations are formatted where this would not be possible. Not with many songs, but with just one song, played at the right time of day. And, not with just Scott's music...with The Magnetic Fields or Belle and Sebastian or ANYONE for that matter. Scott shaking hands with Eminem at the Grammy's? <"Yeah, it could happen" in Judy Tenuda voice> I don't think Alias is to blame, though my friend and ex-boss Joe in programming at 'NCW told me that he didn't recall seeing "Attractive Nuisance" come into the station. I do know that "Days For Days" did. I reviewed it (again, no objectivity, but I mentioned that they were my favorite band in the review) for all the DJs in the station to read in the play box. Before DFD, I don't know what came into the station, because I wasn't there then, but when I worked at the record store (the one I shop at now) Alias promos came in regularly. I picked up a copy of Matt Keating's "Scary Area" at a promo party once I remember. I think that, at least for most of the LF's existence, Alias put their stuff out promotionally, and I remember a promotional info. sheet that came along with DFD (that I saved for a souvenir, ubergeek that I am). So, if the label tried, and the units shifted after playing them, who else is there to point a finger at besides programming directors? All the years I've listened to World Cafe, I've never once heard a Scott song played. Not once. Aimee Mann is practically David Dye's pet, as well as her hubby, so what gives? He likes EVERYTHING. If I get promos in South Cackalackie, I'm sure he does up in Philadelphia. Thanks for listening. M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:43:43 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why? In a message dated 12/26/01 12:39:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, Vivebonpop@aol.com writes: > One night, I devoted an entire shift's > (4 hours) worth of time to Scott. No, I didn't play Scott nonstop ("WSCT, > all Scott, all the time") but I played Scott every set, so that was one in > four songs. I mentioned during this particular evening's shift that I was > devoting my show to his music. Two days later I went to my local record > haunt, and every Game Theory title was gone. Sorry, I realize now that I've told this little tale before. I have a tendency to repeat myself. I repeat myself a great deal, M p.s. Did I mention I often repeat myself? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:53:35 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Counting Out Time / First Purchase Of 2002 >I was listening to the Go-Betweens "Cattle & Cane" the other day, and was >trying to figure out the rhythm. Sometimes I can count these things out >("Solsbury Hill" seems to be in 7/4, for instance, and Fairport >Convention's "Tam Lin" I think is in 13/8), but for some reason the >Go-Betweens song just sort of slips past me. Any of you more musically >inclined folks know this? It's in 11/4. That's one of my very favorite songs of all time. It's amazingly how effortlessly they play that complicated time without ever making it sound awkward. Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:00:16 -0600 From: Chris Prew Subject: [loud-fans] Lord of the Rings Saw Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring over the weekend, and really enjoyed it....one of the best popcorn movies I9ve ever seen. A wonderful story, some amazing action and SFX sequences, good acting (Ian McKellan is great), extremely well directed and paced and some really really nice use of the New Zealand locations. A triumph all around. This was one of those great experiences where I such high hopes that I expected to be let down, and wasn9t. Can9t wait for part 2 next Christmas. Although people requiring closure really need to beware. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:17:31 -1000 From: "midpac" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Lord of the Rings Apart from the Enya-esque (if music actually recorded by Enya can be refered to as "Enya-esque") moments in the soundtrack, I was thrilled with the film. I have loved the books and was certain this was going to be dreadful, optimist that I am. One of Ebert's complaints about the film (in fairness, he gave a largely positive review) seemed to be that the movie would not be able to reflect any individual reader's vision of the book. Of course, this is true with any book adaptation; for example, I cringed when I saw that Kevin Spacey would be the lead in "The Shiping News," as he seems to be the absolutely wrong choice for the role, both visually and judging from his past performances. I admit that the movie does not 100% live up to my personal vision of the trilogy, but it didn't destroy my vision either. In some cases, it enhanced my enjoyment of the story - for example, I hate the Tom Bombadil section and could do without the endless descriptions of mealtimes. Anyhow, the movie is worth a look. So is "The Man Who Wasn't There." Oh, and "Amelie." It has actually turned into a decent year for film - at last. R. Kevin - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Chris Prew Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:00:16 -0600 >Saw Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring over the weekend, and really >enjoyed it....one of the best popcorn movies I9ve ever seen. A wonderful >story, some amazing action and SFX sequences, good acting (Ian McKellan is >great), extremely well directed and paced and some really really nice use of >the New Zealand locations. A triumph all around. > >This was one of those great experiences where I such high hopes that I >expected to be let down, and wasn9t. > >Can9t wait for part 2 next Christmas. > >Although people requiring closure really need to beware. > >Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:39:06 -0800 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Lord of the Rings >Apart from the Enya-esque (if music actually recorded by Enya can be refered to as "Enya-esque") moments in >the soundtrack, I was thrilled with the film. I thought the whole soundtrack was a disappointment--nothing but pastoral and/or heroic cliches, when something stranger and more evocative was called for (and was certainly achieved on-screen). But that was my only serious issue. Most of the plot streamlining worked just fine. I don't think the film quite captures the texture of the book, or transcends the genre in the same way, but that didn't stop me from loving it. There's one fairly inexcusable pop-culture reference, but it goes by very quickly. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:55:13 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 2001 top tentative On Tue, 25 Dec 2001, jenny grover wrote: > Vivebonpop@aol.com wrote: > > > > I think that most people, if given choices, will make some pretty good ones. > > However, it's all in the choices offered. If they aren't limited on outlets > > to hear good (or what I or we on the list consider good) music, they will > > make better choices. > > And that's why when I make people tapes or play music for them (other > than preaching to the faithful) of Scott and other good music, I get hit > with things like, "Oh, you listen to that weird stuff," or "What IS Goofy as it seems, I think you're both substantially right. There really are media gatekeepers, not entirely for conspiracy-theory type reasons (although the record companies do love multi-platinum records) but also because the majority of folks like (or at worst, don't object) to the presence of gatekeepers. in fact, at some level, there *have* to be gatekeepers -- this list is one, in fact -- because as we've already beaten to death, more music is released in a year than one could even theoretically listen to. so you need some way to figure out what you will listen to. most people, i think, prefer their gates kept pretty narrow, because most people don't want to put as much effort as we do hereabouts into finding new music. i also think that most people *would* make somewhat different choices if foced to pick from wider fields, but i still think a lot of people see music as either a way to stay in touch with their youth and/or as a fashion accessory, neither of which are likely to be conducive to exploring music that makes demands on its listeners. are there exceptions? radiohead at number one for even a week? sure, you bet. would Scott have a huge hit with a mega marketing push behind him? i think several times in his career hs's released something that radio could have tolerated, if somebody had the resource and inclination to really ram it down America's throat. "nice when i want something" maybe most recently. does anybdoy else watch 'popstars2?' i started just 'cause my girlfriend liked it, but it really is sick and amazing. you could not ask for finer product placement, it's so seamless that it has this very bizarre purity to it. ...but my favorite bit is how the kids at least pretend to be *surprised* when the carefully chosen critics and audiences respond favorably. how else could they respond? the product is genetically engineered, completely disposable, pretty, inoffensive, slick, challenge-free...perfect, basically. la, la, la. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:53:48 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Lord of the Rings On 12/26/01, Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: >There's one fairly inexcusable pop-culture reference, but it goes by very >quickly. If it's the one having to do with an obscure very non-PC bar sport, I thought it was hilarious. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:25:27 -0800 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Lord of the Rings >>There's one fairly inexcusable pop-culture reference, but it goes by very >>quickly. >If it's the one having to do with an obscure very non-PC bar sport, I >thought it was hilarious. That's the one. I didn't mind it as a joke exactly, I just didn't like the way it popped me out of Middle-Earth for a second. In something like SHREK, which is all about that slipping back and forth, it would have been more appropriate (although, come to think of it, I wasn't crazy about SHREK either). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:21:40 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] FYI My book could be out as soon as next week. I'll let you know where and how to order it, if you want to do that, when I get word. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:41:00 -0500 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Lord of the Rings At 10:17 AM 12/26/2001 -1000, midpac wrote: >Apart from the Enya-esque (if music actually recorded by Enya can be >refered to as "Enya-esque") moments in the soundtrack, I was thrilled with >the film. I have loved the books and was certain this was going to be >dreadful, optimist that I am. On some online forum or other, I suggested that the dream team for the LotR soundtrack would be Phil Pickett and Richard Thompson. Instead of the new-agey Enyafog, you'd have the unfamiliar, otherworldly sounds of shawms and hurdy-gurdys. Throw in a little Vartinna singing some of the Elvish bits, and you'd have the soundtrack nailed. The movie was pretty decent, but sort of frustrating; it's pretty clear that Jackson had enough of a handle on the material that he could have made a *perfect* adaptation. Instead, he made judgement calls that I would have handled differently, and IMNSHO, better. (F'rinstance, I would have switched casting between Sean Bean and Viggo Mortenson.) However, it was an honorable and largely successful attempt at a particularly difficult piece of moviemaking. MB Who only emerged from Middle-earth when Joanne Factor played the "Sheena Is A Punk Rocker" single for him in August 1977. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:58:47 -0500 From: Michael Bowen Subject: [loud-fans] Death in the Family According to one source that I haven't been able to confirm yet, Lance Loud died of hepatitis today, aged 50. MB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:29:41 -0800 From: dc Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Death in the Family Michael Bowen wrote: > According to one source that I haven't been able to confirm yet, Lance Loud > died of hepatitis today, aged 50. > > MB i saw that in a Gannett paper yesterday, although i think it came from the L.A. Times wire service. surprised nobody mentioned it yet, but now i'm having trouble finding a link... dc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:32:50 -0800 From: dc Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Death in the Family >0Michael Bowen wrote: >According to one source that I haven't been able to confirm yet, Lance Loud died of hepatitis today, >aged 50. ah. here it is. http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-000102020dec25.story?coll=la%2Dnews%2Dobituaries dc vicinity of seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 22:46:04 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] TTOOL If for some reason, someone doesn't have it, _The Tape of Only Linda_ is on sale through 1/1 at CDNow for only $7.99. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I've been praying a lot lately - it's because I no longer have a TV:: __Mark Eitzel__ ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #356 *******************************