From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #353 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, December 24 2001 Volume 01 : Number 353 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] 2001 top tentative ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] 2001 top tentative ["Aaron Milenski" ] [loud-fans] Chat? ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] 2001 top tentative/ The Strokes ["md.robbins" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 2001 top tentative >I think the Strokes backlash happened too quickly for the record to top too >many critic polls. (As I've probably said, I thought the Strokes record >was neither good enough to merit the hype nor bad enough to merit the >backlash, and personally, I think that if it gets some high school kids to >go check out LOADED, NEW YORK DOLLS and MARQUEE MOON Well, it finally happened--I caught a Strokes song, "Last Nite," on MTV2. Twice in one hour, I think, or maybe I was just channel-flipping and regular MTV actually played a video for once. Nah, never happen. Anyway, with half the music world screaming "Salvation!" and the other half screaming "Fuckwad!" over these fellows, I was a little surprised I hadn't run across them before. My two cents, based, admittedly, on one song: oddly enough, I'm not hearing Velvets, Dolls, or Television at all. Indeed the tune came across as pepsteppy artifice, recalling nothing so much as "Black Water." The lyrics, I liked, but everything else just seemed anemic. Especially that singer. Isn't he supposed to eat front rows like Reese's Pieces? Click on "Hammond" in the AllMusic bio and go to Beres Hammond, Andy "He has a weird way with the English language--but most of the time it makes sense." - --Mike Connors on William Wellman's autobiography, A SHORT TIME FOR INSANITY ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:18:19 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 2001 top tentative Just to throw my own two cents in here about the Strokes album (And I think Stewart is absolutely right about this), what really bothers me is that atrocious vocal mix. When I first heard it, I thought it was a pressing defect (yes, Jeff, I bought the vinyl), but since then I have I heard it again on both CD and another vinyl copy, so I know it was intended to be that way. I can't imagine why someone thought that was a good idea, but it takes what's a derivative, but enjoyable, album and makes it unlistenable to me. Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:22:40 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 2001 top tentative At 10:47 PM 12/22/01 -0500, Dana L Paoli wrote: >But anyway, I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn >that the "backlash" actually consists of people, like myself, who >disliked the Strokes when they were unknown, are completely bemused by >their ascendancy, and continue to dislike them. Oh, I don't doubt that there's multitudes of folks like you. I'm just saying that I've also seen people (both in real life and online) who have made the transition from "They're the next Nirvana!" to "What a load of crap" in an astonishingly short span. S ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:21:46 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] Chat? To anyone not voluntarily in exile or last-minute shopping, I'll be at irc.eskimo.com #loudfans for about the next two hours. Hope to see some folk. Waiting For Garbo, Andy I don't know what your vision of a utopian society is, but mine is most definitely not an agrarian society where we all plant rhubarb and wear burlap sacks. And I don't think I'm alone in this. But every time Picard and his minions go to one of them "peaceful utopian planets of absolute joy," everyone's all excited about planting potatoes and wearing smocks. The hell? Look, if I want to find Paradise, it's going to be old series Paradise. Remember when Spock found Paradise? He had a sexy lady in a little mini-skirt, and they spent the whole day swinging upside down in trees and frolicking in fields while Spock bellowed, "I'm in love, Jim!" That is some Paradise, brother. Not once did you see Spock stop and go, "Wait, if we stop all this traipsing, then we can go hoe a field!" No, Spock was all like, "Screw that farm work! I'm gonna go skinny dipping with my woman!" [--Keith Allison, from http://www.teleport-city.com/movies/reviews/scifi/megalon.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 00:57:29 -0000 From: "md.robbins" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 2001 top tentative/ The Strokes After seeing the general dismissal of the Strokes record here I finally acquired a copy cheap and it turns out the thing is by no means without worth: derivative, yes, but then virtually everything you hear now could be critiised thus. To me the songs sounded immediately catchy and became more interesting on replays; not a great record but certainly worthy of a hearing. And basing the vcl sound on 'Coney Island Steeplechase' has some novelty value... Of The Strokes Dana L. Paoli wrote- >My take is >that the English went bonkers over this, as they have over so many lousy >English bands, because it fills some psychic void that currently exists >in that country-with-the-short-musical-attention-span. Impossible to be even faintly irritated by his latest portion of casual anti British rhetoric by, but while we're in this genre [derivative] I'd mention that it was English fans who first took the likes of the Ramones/Television et c. to our hearts and arguably invigourated American interest in them. And just by the by, the only English people that I noticed going 'bonkers' [nice touch] over the Strokes were a music press who no longer have the credibility or validity they possessed in the 70's....... Yes there are lots of overrated British bands [amongst whom I'd include both Blur and Radiohead] and as many dull American bands that Americans take seriously - so what? And the 'Psychic void'/'short musical attention span' slur is similarly incomprehensibly vague, notwithstanding whichever particular socio/cultural group to which you'd care to apply it, given that it's the clichid 'postmodern' condition that arguably affects both our countries. Merry Xmas all, md. np- End Of The Century - The Ramones [Though I wish it was Joey's sublime 'What A Wonderful World'] ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #353 *******************************