From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #348 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, December 20 2001 Volume 01 : Number 348 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] 24, not 23 [John Cooper ] [loud-fans] Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 [Michael Bowen ] Re: [loud-fans] 24, not 23 ["Aaron Milenski" ] [loud-fans] Re: my favorites from 2001 [Krueger.Thomas@epamail.epa.gov] Re: [loud-fans] Premature bewilderment about end-of-year best-ofs [Dan S] Re: [loud-fans] Premature bewilderment about end-of-year best-ofs [dana-b] [loud-fans] Tenacious D [DOUDIE@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Tenacious D [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] 24, not 23; no Scott, just TV [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 ["Brandon J. Carder" ] Re: [loud-fans] Tenacious D ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 ["Pete O." ] [loud-fans] Re: Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 ["Highland Telephone" ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] [loud-fans] Re: Shocking absence of end-of-year best-ofs ["Highland Telep] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Shocking absence of end-of-year best-ofs [Stewart Mas] Re: [loud-fans] Shocking absence of end-of-year best-ofs [Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 24, not 23 On 12/19/01, Andrew Hamlin wrote: >Don Johnson eventually let us in on the secret of his "Miami Vice" stubble: >he shaved using, if I recall correctly, a beard trimmer. At least one enterprising company marketed this beard-trimmer-as-shaver as the "Miami deVice". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:08:53 -0500 From: Michael Bowen Subject: [loud-fans] Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 5. BRAGGIN' 'BOUT MY BITCHEZ AN' MONEY AN' SHIT - Jay-Z (featuring Jay-Ar-Tee) 4. GURGLINGS FROM A LONELY HOTEL ROOM - Stuart Adamson 3. NO, REALLY, I'VE STILL GOT IT - Elvis Costello 2. THE LONELY LITTLE BAT OUT OF HELL - A Tribute to Meat Loaf by The Indie Sadsack All-Stars and at the top: 1. WHITE WHINE (ISN'T THIS MODERN WORLD JUST TOO MUCH FOR SENSITIVE SOULS LIKE US?) - Radiohead ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:44:59 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 24, not 23 >Yeah, that plot twist was really out of left field, though I saw it coming >a few seconds before. I had one big problem with it though: >[spoiler space] >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. > >Didn't Janet say "Daddy!" when her *false* daddy walked into the room? I >guess she was just so out of it from the operation that she'd mistake >anyone for her father... > She actually said "you're not my daddy." _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:54:41 -0600 From: Krueger.Thomas@epamail.epa.gov Subject: [loud-fans] Re: my favorites from 2001 2001 has been a difficult year in many ways. It has made me appreciate the positive things in my life, one of which is the continued stream of music that confirms for me that art matters -- as a means of reinforcing a sense of community; as a means of sharing compassion, catharsis and connection. The following is an unapologetically long list of my favorite new music from the past year complete with critic-wannabe blatherings. These artists have helped me smile, cry, think and regroup in a year where I needed to do a lot of all of those things: 1. Bob Dylan - Love and Theft. A revitalized Dylan goes back to the base, drawing on and evoking many cornerstones of American music from the first half of the 20th Century, with a contagious sense of whimsy and enthusiasm. The record runs lovingly through blues, rockabilly, folk, Tin Pan Alley and more, in songs stuffed to the brim with tall tales, images, epigrams and jokes that are uniquely and unmistakably Dylan's. His touring band backs Dylan with impressive versatility and inventiveness, as if they're trying to stake a claim as the best band he's ever had. They could be right. 2. Gillian Welch - Time (The Revelator). One of my favorite songwriters takes a brave step away from the linear storytelling she does so impressively on her first two records, tapping into American myths and legends and weaving them in and out of everyday lives and events. The songs stand on their own yet also circle back on each other, establishing a sort of dream logic where past and present coexist in unexpected ways. The instrumentation is sparse, relying essentially on two acoustic guitars, but complex and varied, owing largely to Welch's collaborator/lead guitarist David Rawlings whose unostentatious virtuosity draws you in and won't let you go. 3. Scott Miller - Thus Always to Tyrants and Are R U w/ Me. Scott Miller wrote and sang some fine Beatles-meet-the-Scorchers songs with the V-Roys before their demise, but in his first solo record Miller has jumped to a whole new level. Many of the songs touch on the theme of how family and history forge bonds that constrain and inspire, frustrate and fascinate. Miller describes the settings and the dialog -- internal and external -- with precision, insight and empathy. The music shifts gears effortlessly between accomplished crunchy roots rock and pretty Revolveresque pop, with a couple of beautiful old-timey songs tossed in for good measure. The self-released live record R U w/Me shows what a riveting performer Miller is (and what a talented songwriter, since there's almost no overlap between the songs on the two stellar records). 4. Alejandro Escovedo - A Man Under the Influence. Until this year I'd always admired Alejandro Escovedo more than I'd enjoyed his records through his long and wildly varied musical career impressive for its intensity and integrity. This record enlists pop music stalwart Chris Stamey as producer, and the result is a record that seems far more focused and melodic. None of Alejandro's passionate approach or gifts for trenchant observation and soul-baring confession were lost in the process, making this the consistent, accessible breakthrough I'd been hoping for. 5. Pernice Brothers - The World Won't End. Joe Pernice has a flair for lush, gorgeous, incredibly melodic pop songs. He couples these lovely soundscapes with lyrics presenting compelling pictures of misery and despair. Pernice's gentle, aching, conversational voice bridges the gap between sonic beauty and the beast within, finding solace in the sadness. This record rocks a little harder at the outset than its equally marvelous predecessor "Overcome By Happiness," showcasing the band's talent for carefully textured arrangements. 6. Patty Loveless - Mountain Soul. A woman with one of country music's purest voices returns to her roots and produces an acoustic record steeped in traditional mountain music. The record has a relaxed, joyous feel to it even when the subject matter is sad. Patty's spirited, talented touring band provides a perfect complement to her remarkable singing on a wonderful mix of old standards and well selected new songs that fit right in. 7. Jim White - No Other Place. This self-described "hick-hop" record integrates a wide variety of rhythmic and instrumental textures with fascinating imagery reminiscent of Flannery O'Connor in tone, substance and vividness. The record takes you into a world that's genuinely off kilter, sort of like a younger, folk-based, more accessible (but no less adventurous) and deeply southern version of Tom Waits. 8. Go-Go's - God Bless the Go-Go's. In an extremely pleasant surprise, a great pop band returns after 17 years with the hunger, experience and hooks to prove this is no nostalgia cash-in. The band's layered harmonies remain distinctive and winning, the guitars are loud and proud, and the sense of fun and comraderie that seemed like second nature in their best early songs is back, though with age it's now hard won and a little poignant too. 9. (tie) Oh Susanna - Sleepy Little Sailor. Oh Susanna is a stage name for Suzie Ungerleider, a Canadian with a big, deep, soulful voice. That powerhouse voice is upfront on a series of hauntingly beautiful songs about hope and longing. The songs mix folk, country, soul and jazz, in settings that let the quieter songs breathe but that aren't afraid of the occasional crunch. This is a seductive, wide-ranging, evocative record to treasure. 9. (tie) Kelly Hogan - Because It Feel Good. Kelly Hogan is a marvelous contemporary song interpreter. She draws songs from a wide and unexpected variety of sources (from obscure indie rockers to country music heroes to Randy Newman), finds the core emotions of those songs, applies her remarkable country-soul voice, and makes it seem perfectly logical that these songs all fit together. Even more impressive is that despite all the fine songs she plucked from others and made her own, my two favorite songs on the record are written by Hogan and her long-time musical partner and secret weapon, versatile guitarist Andy Hopkins. 10. (tie) Tim Easton - The Truth About Us. On the best record from Wilco that was actually released this year, that band (minus Jeff Tweedy) backs Tim Easton on a group of smart, catchy songs that grace the intersection of country, folk and pop. 10. (tie) Shins - Oh Inverted World. A quiet gem full of soothing, almost pastoral-sounding, lightly psychedelic pop, this reminds me of late 60s records from Love, Moby Grape and the Kinks. A subdued intensity adds some tension to these beautiful songs, which are dense enough musically and lyrically to reveal new pleasures on each repeat listen. 10. (tie) Idlewild - 100 Broken Windows. Idlewild isn't breaking any new ground, but they bend and blend their influences so well that any complaint of derivativeness is soon forgotten. Cross the tuneful big rock sounds of Oasis (without the self-importance) with Pavement's brand of indie-rock and love of words (without the purposeful obscurity) and you have a recipe for one of the best rock albums I heard this year. 10. (tie) Rufus Wainwright - Poses. This record is uneven, but has enough brilliant moments to make it a constant in my CD player. Wainwright is showy, dramatic and self-aware, which is the source of the strengths and weaknesses of the record. His best songs take sophisticated twists and turns while painting indelible images -- "Cigarettes and Chocolate Milk" is hands down my favorite song of the year and a perfect capsule summary of Wainwright's gifts as singer and songwriter. His high risk approach doesn't always work, but is rarely boring. Honorable mentions (in approximate order) - Ron Sexsmith - Blue Boy, Mary Janes - Flame, Nikka Costa - Everybody Got Their Something, Sparklehorse - It's A Wonderful Life, Gorillaz - Gorillaz, Varnaline - Songs in a Northern Key, Chris Knight - A Pretty Good Guy, Mercury Rev - All Is Dream, Jay Farrar - Sebastopol, My Morning Jacket - At Dawn, Freedy Johnston - Right Between the Promises, Lucksmiths - Why That Doesn't Surprise Me, India.Arie - Acoustic Soul, Rhonda Vincent - The Storm Still Rages, Joe Henry - Scar, Steve Wynn - Here Come the Miracles, Buddy and Julie Miller- Buddy and Julie Miller, Call and Response - Call and Response, Belle and Sebastian - Jonathan David and I'm Waking Up To Us EPs, Ashley Stove- All Summer Long, Gary Allan - Alright Guy, Macy Gray - The Id, Strokes - Is This It, Orange Peels - So Far, Buddy Guy - Sweet Tea, White Stripes - White Blood Cells, Old 97's - - Satellite Rides, Joel R.L. Phelps - Inland Empires, Various artists - Avalon Blues, John Hiatt - The Tiki Bar Is Open, Kasey Chambers - Barricades and Brickwalls, Avalanches - Since I Left You, Placebo - Black Market Music, Del McCoury - Del and the Boys, Convoy - Black Licorice, Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros - Global A-Go-Go, Stars - Nightsongs, Dave Carter and Tracy Grammar - Drum Hat Buddah, DJ Hi-Tek - Hi-Teknology, Brad Paisley - Part II, Airport Girl - Honey I'm An Artist, Aterciopelados - Gozo Poderoso, Destroyer - Streethawk: A Seduction, Leslie Satcher - Love Letters, Ryan Adams - Gold, Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030, Weezer - Weezer, Hefner - We Love the City, Ozomatli - Embrace the Chaos, Beulah - The Coast Is Never Clear, KRS-One - - The Sneak Attack, Los Super Seven - Canto, Blake Babies - God Bless the Blake Babies, Kirsty MacColl - Tropical Brainstorm, Chamber Strings - - Month of Sundays, The Coup - Party Music, Dolly Parton - Little Sparrow, Rodney Crowell - The Houston Kid, Pink - Missundaztood, Sam Phillips - Fan Dance, Teenage Fanclub - Howdy Might have made the list if I'd heard them - Robbie Fulks - Couples in Trouble, Kevin Salem - Ecstatic, Continental Drifters - Better Days, Drive By Truckers - Southern Rock Opera, Belle de Gama - Garden Abstract, Wayfaring Strangers - Shifting Sands of Time, Shaver - The Earth Rolls On, Dale Ann Bradley - Cumberland River Dreams, Thalia Zedek - Been Here and Gone, The Word - The Word, Dale Watson - Every Song I Write Is for You, Pat Haney - Ghost of Things to Come, Zephyrs - When the Sky Comes Down, You Am I - Dress Me Slowly, Holmes Brothers - Speaking in Tongues, Pawtuckets - Dogsbody Factotum, Linus of Hollywood - Let Yourself Be Happy, Blind Boys from Alabama - Spirit of the Century, Neil Finn - One Nil, Ass Ponys - Lohio, Merle Haggard - Roots Vol. 1, Karen Poston - Real Bad, Neko Case - Canadian Amp, Alison Krauss and Union Station - New Favorites, Chris Thile - Not All Who Wander Are Lost, Phil Lee - You Should Have Known Me Then, Bruce Robison - Country Sunshine, Kings of Convenience - Quiet Is the New Loud, Death Cab for Cutie - The Photo Album. I'm also very thankful for this loud-fans community. Even though I generally just lurk here, you all provide me with helpful information and an occasional much-needed laugh. For me this year was stronger on the roots rock side of things than the pop side, so this list may not be of great interest to some of you. Thanks for your kind indulgence anyway. Tom ------------------------------ Date: 20 Dec 2001 09:55:18 -0500 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Premature bewilderment about end-of-year best-ofs "Joseph M. Mallon" writes: | On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: | > Just so no one goes nuts looking for this, it's "Rings Around the World" | > and it's very good. Did everyone note that Rolling Stone has the new | > Mick Jagger album at #3? | | This surprises you why? They gave it 5 stars. That Bob Dylan would | be #1 is equally not shocking. I'm sure Jann still has a lot of | pull to make sure the old guard places pretty hightly. The new Bob Dylan record is in fact really great. The other reviews I've seen of the Mick Jagger CD are pretty mixed. http://www.metacritic.com has a top 20 list which is basically a weighted mix of all the other top lists (they assign scores based on all the major reviews), which of course is a pretty flawed concept as far as measuring aesthetic value but is fun to look at: 1. Bob Dylan, LOVE AND THEFT 2. Los Super Seven, CANTO 3. The Avalanches, SINCE I LEFT YOU 4. The Strokes, IS THIS IT 5. Missy Elliott, MISS E... SO ADDICTIVE 6. White Stripes, WHITE BLOOD CELLS 7. Unwound, LEAVES TURN INSIDE YOU 8. Fugazi, THE ARGUMENT 9. John Hammond, WICKED GRIN 10. Hood, COLD HOUSE 11. Low, THINGS WE LOST IN THE FIRE 12. Bjork, VESPERTINE 13. Bill Frisell, BLUES DREAM 14. Amy Ray, STAG 15. Red House Painters, OLD RAMON 16. Dolly Parton, LITTLE SPARROW 17. Tenacious D, TENACIOUS D 18. Nick Lowe, THE CONVINCER 19. Sigur Ros, AEGAETIS BYRJUN 20. Spoon, GIRLS CAN TELL - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:23:23 -0500 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Premature bewilderment about end-of-year best-ofs 3. The Avalanches, SINCE I LEFT YOU >>>>>>>>>>>>>. I have to admit that I haven't had a chance to give this my full attention (I've been playing it in the background at work) but so far it's not striking me as all that amazing (or not as amazing as the reviewers seem to think it is). Anyone really loving this and care to explain? - --dana On 20 Dec 2001 09:55:18 -0500 Dan Schmidt writes: > "Joseph M. Mallon" writes: > > | On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: > | > Just so no one goes nuts looking for this, it's "Rings Around > the World" > | > and it's very good. Did everyone note that Rolling Stone has > the new > | > Mick Jagger album at #3? > | > | This surprises you why? They gave it 5 stars. That Bob Dylan > would > | be #1 is equally not shocking. I'm sure Jann still has a lot of > | pull to make sure the old guard places pretty hightly. > > The new Bob Dylan record is in fact really great. The other > reviews > I've seen of the Mick Jagger CD are pretty mixed. > > http://www.metacritic.com has a top 20 list which is basically a > weighted mix of all the other top lists (they assign scores based > on > all the major reviews), which of course is a pretty flawed concept > as far as measuring aesthetic value but is fun to look at: > > 1. Bob Dylan, LOVE AND THEFT > 2. Los Super Seven, CANTO > 3. The Avalanches, SINCE I LEFT YOU > 4. The Strokes, IS THIS IT > 5. Missy Elliott, MISS E... SO ADDICTIVE > 6. White Stripes, WHITE BLOOD CELLS > 7. Unwound, LEAVES TURN INSIDE YOU > 8. Fugazi, THE ARGUMENT > 9. John Hammond, WICKED GRIN > 10. Hood, COLD HOUSE > 11. Low, THINGS WE LOST IN THE FIRE > 12. Bjork, VESPERTINE > 13. Bill Frisell, BLUES DREAM > 14. Amy Ray, STAG > 15. Red House Painters, OLD RAMON > 16. Dolly Parton, LITTLE SPARROW > 17. Tenacious D, TENACIOUS D > 18. Nick Lowe, THE CONVINCER > 19. Sigur Ros, AEGAETIS BYRJUN > 20. Spoon, GIRLS CAN TELL > > -- > http://www.dfan.org > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:45:05 EST From: DOUDIE@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Tenacious D In a message dated 12/20/01 10:01:42 AM, dfan@harmonixmusic.com writes: << 17. Tenacious D, TENACIOUS D >> Has anyone heard this record? It is produced by the Dust Brothers and thus has me curious. Steve Matrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:59:24 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tenacious D At 10:45 AM 12/20/2001 -0500, DOUDIE@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 12/20/01 10:01:42 AM, dfan@harmonixmusic.com writes: > ><< 17. Tenacious D, TENACIOUS D >> > >Has anyone heard this record? It is produced by the Dust Brothers and thus >has me curious. It features Jack Black and thus makes me want to vomit. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:06:54 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 24, not 23; no Scott, just TV At 05:39 PM 12/19/2001 -0800, John Cooper wrote: >Joe wrote: > >>It reminds me a little of MURDER ONE, another show with a single >>plot lasting all season. > >The first season of Murder One ranks right up there with the best >television I've seen in my life! If only for a bad-guy performance >Stanley Tucci will probably never equal. Those who haven't seen it, >which presumably includes just about everyone, should keep an eye on >the A&E listings and try to catch it from the beginning. (Sadly, the >abbreviated season two was no great shakes.) Season One got much much better about halfway through when the writers figured out that nobody gave a damn about the horde of bland, indistinguishable people at the law firm and their perfunctory sub-L.A. LAW "ensemble cast" plots. This freed the show up to focus on what had been the show's strengths from the start, its main story and its best actors. If they wanted me to be so interested in lesser lights like Mary McCormack and Michael Hayden, they should have actually written decent material for them. Anyway, Season One had only three compelling characters: those played by Tucci, Daniel Benzali, and Jason Gedrick. The machinations of Season One's plot meant that two of them, Tucci and Gedrick, wouldn't be part of Season Two; the machinations of Steven Bochco meant that Benzali wouldn't come back for a second season. So the show pretty much short-circuited then and there, even if they did rope Anthony LaPaglia into being the lead actor in Season 2. Speaking of Bochco and *his* John Williams, Mike Post, Post's theme for PHILLY -- an ungodly mishmash of dated '80s synth syrup, gratuitous percussion flourishes (a la his NYPD BLUE theme), and, worst of all, phrases lifted from 18th Century drum-and-fife music (1776 and all that, I suppose) -- would be the worst TV theme music of any other TV season. But 2001-2002 has already given us the unspeakable horror of Diane Warren's power-ballad ENTERPRISE theme, finally giving Trek fans a non-Wesley-Crusher-based reason to want to kill Rick Berman, so I think Post can't place better (worse?) than second in this competition. And hey, how come no one's talking about ALIAS? *That's* the non-BUFFY show that I can't wait to see every week! It's got terse, engaging scripts, good-to-great acting by all of its crucial players, and Jennifer Garner gives a nuanced lead performance as main character Sydney Bristow that just gets better each week. I'm worried that aspects of its plot might end up painting the writers into a corner (see the red flag I'm waving in the vicinity of Sydney's love/hate/Mulder-like-unexplained-death-disappearance-are-you-my-father? thing with her dad and Sloane), and there's some potential for annoyance in the future (such as Kevin Weisman's Marshall, SD6's stuttering, nerdy version of Q -- think Bond's Q, not Star Trek's). But that's all speculation on my part -- so far, the writers have pulled off everything they've set out to do. It's so good that I'm actually thinking that Dana might be right about FELICITY, since both shows were created by the same guy, and if you knew how opposed I was to FELICITY, that's saying a lot. No hour of television flies by quicker. Highly recommended. (ABC's running all ten previously-aired ALIASes on New Year's Day, if you're inclined to catch up in one swell foop...) later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:17:23 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 At 08:08 AM 12/20/2001 -0500, Michael Bowen wrote: >5. BRAGGIN' 'BOUT MY BITCHEZ AN' MONEY AN' SHIT - Jay-Z (featuring Jay-Ar-Tee) > >4. GURGLINGS FROM A LONELY HOTEL ROOM - Stuart Adamson > >3. NO, REALLY, I'VE STILL GOT IT - Elvis Costello > >2. THE LONELY LITTLE BAT OUT OF HELL - A Tribute to Meat Loaf by The Indie >Sadsack All-Stars > >and at the top: > >1. WHITE WHINE (ISN'T THIS MODERN WORLD JUST TOO MUCH FOR SENSITIVE SOULS >LIKE US?) - Radiohead OK, I can laugh about four of five (even if I disagree with the gist #1 and maybe #3, and I'm sure Andy H. would chafe at #2). But #4 strikes me as in extremely poor taste. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:30:18 -0800 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: my favorites from 2001 On 12/20/01 5:54 AM, Krueger.Thomas@epamail.epa.gov wrote: > 9. (tie) Oh Susanna - Sleepy Little Sailor. Oh Susanna is a stage name > for Suzie Ungerleider, a Canadian with a big, deep, soulful voice. That > powerhouse voice is upfront on a series of hauntingly beautiful songs > about hope and longing. The songs mix folk, country, soul and jazz, in > settings that let the quieter songs breathe but that aren't afraid of > the occasional crunch. This is a seductive, wide-ranging, evocative > record to treasure. Ah, she was lovely in concert, when she played with the Portland-based (I think) Be Good Tanyas, whom you might also like, given the description. Michael - ------------------------------------------------------- Michael Zwirn, Environmental Policy Analyst michael@zwirn.com http://zwirn.com Home 503/232-8919 Cell 503/887-9800 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:20:37 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Shocking absence of end-of-year best-ofs On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Michael Bowen wrote: > Unlike those who know every record that was released this year, Mr. Zwirn > couldn't have possibly done that, since: > > a) He doesn't get his records for free, and > > b) He has a life. I'm so confused. Zwirn points out that last year, Bowen claimed to have exahusted all the possibilities for new releases that might be any good. Bowen responds by saying that people who have exhaustive listening habits have no life. Mr. Bowen, are you dissing yourself and recanting, or what? Have I got the two Michaels confused with each other? a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:32:29 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] the most brilliant thing I've read all year http://www.robneyer.com/guests.htm warning: prerequisites include * 20th Century US poetry * The New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract * imagining Bob Costas reading it aloud you got your baseball in my plath, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:42:49 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] someday my 2001 list will come ...there's one on my website, of course, but it's far from final since I haven't had time to properly assimilate the following 2001 releases: Curve Belle da Gama Paula Carino Garbage Bjork Cotton Mather Glenn Tilbrook Sparklehorse And more than that, though those are the ones I'm most eager to get at. I did send a list to Audities minus these titles, but that was just to meet a deadline. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:55:23 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Shocking absence of end-of-year best-ofs On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Aaron Mandel wrote: > I'm so confused. Two people have pointed out privately that I was actually confusing Stewart Mason with Michael Zwirn, and though I still don't understand the exchange, it's obviously not worth rehashing. Sorry, everyone. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:03:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 - --- Miles Goosens wrote: > >4. GURGLINGS FROM A LONELY HOTEL ROOM - Stuart Adamson > > OK, I can laugh about four of five (even if I disagree with the gist #1 and > maybe #3, and I'm sure Andy H. would chafe at #2). But #4 strikes me as in > extremely poor taste. > Fair game, I say. Not like it wasn't his choice. Maybe I'm alone on this, but I've got no sympathy for those that choose to kick their own bucket. - - Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:12:57 -0800 From: "Brandon J. Carder" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 > Fair game, I say. Not like it wasn't his choice. Maybe I'm alone on this, but I've got no > sympathy for those that choose to kick their own bucket. > Then who DO you have sympathy for? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:20:33 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 >Fair game, I say. Not like it wasn't his choice. Maybe I'm alone on >this, but I've got no >sympathy for those that choose to kick their own bucket. Yeah. It's not like they're suffering, or mentally ill, or anything. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:21:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tenacious D On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Miles Goosens wrote: > At 10:45 AM 12/20/2001 -0500, DOUDIE@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 12/20/01 10:01:42 AM, dfan@harmonixmusic.com writes: > > > ><< 17. Tenacious D, TENACIOUS D >> > > > >Has anyone heard this record? It is produced by the Dust Brothers and thus > >has me curious. > It features Jack Black and thus makes me want to vomit. Amen to that. When did he suddenly become supercool? Has self-inflating ironic smirkiness gotten funny without me knowing? J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:21:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 - --- "Brandon J. Carder" wrote: > > Fair game, I say. Not like it wasn't his choice. Maybe I'm alone on this, > but I've got no > > sympathy for those that choose to kick their own bucket. > > > > Then who DO you have sympathy for? How about everyone who didn't get out of the WTC, for starters. - - Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:23:41 GMT From: "Highland Telephone" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 If you feel any of these are in poor taste, you can always substitute " "HEY," "WE'RE" "REALLY" "ROCKIN'" "NOW" " - The White Strokes or YOU AREN'T GETTING ANY BECAUSE YOU LIKE GIRLS LIKE ME - The Fucked-Up Piano Chicks MB Miles Goosens writes: > At 08:08 AM 12/20/2001 -0500, Michael Bowen wrote: > >5. BRAGGIN' 'BOUT MY BITCHEZ AN' MONEY AN' SHIT - Jay-Z (featuring > Jay-Ar-Tee) > > > >4. GURGLINGS FROM A LONELY HOTEL ROOM - Stuart Adamson > > > >3. NO, REALLY, I'VE STILL GOT IT - Elvis Costello > > > >2. THE LONELY LITTLE BAT OUT OF HELL - A Tribute to Meat Loaf by The > Indie > >Sadsack All-Stars > > > >and at the top: > > > >1. WHITE WHINE (ISN'T THIS MODERN WORLD JUST TOO MUCH FOR SENSITIVE SOULS > >LIKE US?) - Radiohead > > OK, I can laugh about four of five (even if I disagree with the gist #1 > and maybe #3, and I'm sure Andy H. would chafe at #2). But #4 strikes me > as in extremely poor taste. > > later, > > Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:24:53 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 At 11:03 AM 12/20/2001 -0800, Pete O. wrote: >--- Miles Goosens wrote: >> >4. GURGLINGS FROM A LONELY HOTEL ROOM - Stuart Adamson >> >> OK, I can laugh about four of five (even if I disagree with the gist of #1 and >> maybe #3, and I'm sure Andy H. would chafe at #2). But #4 strikes me as in >> extremely poor taste. >> > >Fair game, I say. Not like it wasn't his choice. Maybe I'm alone on this, >but I've got no >sympathy for those that choose to kick their own bucket. It's not like Adamson ever conducted himself with the high-handed hubris that would make him a deserving target of postmortem barbs. Nor does his death have the bizarre and ironic circumstances that, say, Michael Hutchence's did. Instead, here we have a talented man who became so depressed that he needlessly isolated himself from human beings who would have gladly helped him through his problems, and he chose to make sure that he would never receive that help. So no, amazingly enough my first instinct isn't to think of mean-spirited jokes to lampoon his death. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:31:02 -0800 From: "Brandon J. Carder" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 Pete O: > > > Fair game, I say. Not like it wasn't his choice. Maybe I'm alone on this, > > but I've got no > > > sympathy for those that choose to kick their own bucket. > > > > > > > Then who DO you have sympathy for? > > How about everyone who didn't get out of the WTC, for starters. > That seems like a totally arbitrary decision. Is sympathy really in such short supply we need to stake out just who is and is not worthy? Do you have some kind of grading system? utter indifference to the devil, bjc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:35:21 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 > ... Stuart Adamson ... www.furia.com/twas/twas0360.html Everyone making jokes about this is cordially invited to fuck themselves. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:36:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Highland Telephone wrote: > If you feel any of these are in poor taste, you can always substitute > > " "HEY," "WE'RE" "REALLY" "ROCKIN'" "NOW" " - The White Strokes > > or > > YOU AREN'T GETTING ANY BECAUSE YOU LIKE GIRLS LIKE ME - The Fucked-Up Piano > Chicks or MAKE UP FOR MISSING THE VELVETS AND RAMONES BY FAWNING OVER US - The Strokes J .Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:36:55 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tenacious D On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > Amen to that. When did he suddenly become supercool? Has > self-inflating ironic smirkiness gotten funny without me knowing? I've never heard Tenacious D, but I've heard some people citing Black's performance in High Fidelity as emblematic of what they don't like about him, when to me it seemed like the perfect rendition of "kid who's confused because he's always been uncool but now people seem to think it's cool when he gets all crazy over the stuff he's always loved". It was sincere and sweet, more so than Todd Louiso's hilarious but more pointedly parodic Dick. And I *identified* with Dick more, but... aaron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:37:17 GMT From: "Highland Telephone" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Shocking absence of end-of-year best-ofs Aaron Mandel writes: > Zwirn points out that last year, Bowen claimed to have exahusted all the > possibilities for new releases that might be any good. Bowen responds by > saying that people who have exhaustive listening habits have no life. > > Mr. Bowen, are you dissing yourself and recanting, or what? Have I got the > two Michaels confused with each other? Nope, but you are confused. It was Mr. Mason who claimed that I said that I had listened to every record released in the year 2000. Everyone knows that isn't true; only glenn and Stewart can make that exalted claim, and therefore be able to comment on the music of that year. MB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:54:09 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Shocking absence of end-of-year best-ofs At 07:37 PM 12/20/01 GMT, Highland Telephone wrote: >Aaron Mandel writes: > >> Zwirn points out that last year, Bowen claimed to have exahusted all the >> possibilities for new releases that might be any good. Bowen responds by >> saying that people who have exhaustive listening habits have no life. >> >> Mr. Bowen, are you dissing yourself and recanting, or what? Have I got the >> two Michaels confused with each other? > >Nope, but you are confused. It was Mr. Mason who claimed that I said that I >had listened to every record released in the year 2000. Everyone knows that >isn't true; only glenn and Stewart can make that exalted claim, and >therefore be able to comment on the music of that year. I believe you're confused yourself, Mr. Telephone, sir. My (admittedly snarky) comment was a reference to your outburst some time back about how music sucks these days, and the way that several people correctly pointed out that unless you had actually heard every record released that year, you were not allowed to say that there were no good records coming out anymore. My "claim," as you put it, was that you had made an unsupportable blanket statement, and that the same unsupportable blanket statement was being repeated by someone else. And could you point me in the direction of your fantasy world where I have the time and money to listen to every record released last year? Because that would rock. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:09:45 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Shocking absence of end-of-year best-ofs On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I've often wondered about albums released in late November: they > probably, in general, don't do very well on year-end lists I'm wondering what will happen with the New Pornographers album, released last November but not really a hit until early this year. Sort of drives home the inherent fuzziness in the whole process. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:16:18 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 John Cooper wrote: > > >Fair game, I say. Not like it wasn't his choice. Maybe I'm alone on > >this, but I've got no > >sympathy for those that choose to kick their own bucket. > > Yeah. It's not like they're suffering, or mentally ill, or anything. Yeah, and addiction, that's just a character flaw. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:29:23 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 You know how in the movie "Shallow Hal," we saw that all morbidly-obese people were really beautiful inside, which kind of baffled the vast majority whose real-life experience suggests that most obese people have souls that are really pathetic and lazy and self-pitying? Well, a lot of dead addicts and/or depressed people were also really pathetic and lazy and self-pitying. Even the talented ones. Or Stuart Adamson. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:38:41 -0800 From: "Brandon J. Carder" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 JRT: You know how in the movie "Shallow Hal," we saw that all morbidly-obese > people were really beautiful inside, which kind of baffled the vast majority > whose real-life experience suggests that most obese people have souls that > are really pathetic and lazy and self-pitying? > > Well, a lot of dead addicts and/or depressed people were also really pathetic > and lazy and self-pitying. Even the talented ones. Or Stuart Adamson. > Wholly apart from your appallingly flawed (or absent) logic: Somehow I cannot believe you ever bothered actually knowing any obese people. How could you ever see what's going on under that flabby exterior you obviously find so distasteful? Some of my best friends are lard-asses, bjc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:46:23 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 JRT456@aol.com wrote: > > You know how in the movie "Shallow Hal," we saw that all morbidly-obese > people were really beautiful inside, which kind of baffled the vast majority > whose real-life experience suggests that most obese people have souls that > are really pathetic and lazy and self-pitying? > > Well, a lot of dead addicts and/or depressed people were also really pathetic > and lazy and self-pitying. Even the talented ones. Or Stuart Adamson. This post suggests you have a poor understanding, at best, of depression and obesity. Don't confuse cause with effect, nor laziness with fatigue. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:02:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Loud-fan 2001 Top 5 > JRT456@aol.com wrote: > > > > You know how in the movie "Shallow Hal," we saw that all morbidly-obese > > people were really beautiful inside, which kind of baffled the vast majority > > whose real-life experience suggests that most obese people have souls that > > are really pathetic and lazy and self-pitying? > > > > Well, a lot of dead addicts and/or depressed people were also really pathetic > > and lazy and self-pitying. Even the talented ones. Or Stuart Adamson. You are an appalingly ill-mannered git. I can think of only one reason for you to post this message - to antagonize people who actually care about other people. Mission accomplished. If it was your hope that others who believe the same thing would rise to your defense in a "yeah, fat people do suck!" discussion, I think you'll be very disappointed. There's a big difference between being a Fool in the Shakespearean sense and being a jerk-off. You are most definitely the latter. No surprise there. Awaiting your "boo-hoo, I'm *soo* hurt" message, J. Mallon ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #348 *******************************