From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #338 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, December 13 2001 Volume 01 : Number 338 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] times article on live performance rights (ns) [dana-boy@juno.] Re: [loud-fans] times article on live performance rights (ns) [Jeffrey wi] Re: [loud-fans] Christmas Tuneage [Steve Holtebeck ] [loud-fans] Talking about writing about films about books [Jer Fairall ] [loud-fans] *too* close... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] *too* close... ["West Moran" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:07:14 -0500 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] times article on live performance rights (ns) How's that for a catchy subject line!! There's a sort of interesting article in the NY Times: http://nytimes.com/2001/12/12/arts/music/12POPL.html ...about Digital Club Network, which owns the rights to all sorts of live performances. In the article, we learn that Ani DiFranco's live a capella performance of Prince's "When Doves Cry" has been lost for all time. First Penn Station, and now this!! It's almost too much to take. BTW, Garbage are on the Tonight Show tonight. Mary Gaitskill, who's a great writer with dubious musical taste, wrote a very well written review of their new album in the last Village Voice that almost has me wanting to check them out. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:25:41 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] times article on live performance rights (ns) On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 dana-boy@juno.com wrote: > How's that for a catchy subject line!! > > There's a sort of interesting article in the NY Times: > > http://nytimes.com/2001/12/12/arts/music/12POPL.html > > ...about Digital Club Network, which owns the rights to all sorts of live > performances. Something sounds fishy about this whole scheme, and about this guy. Particularly internal-alarm-ringing was the bit about various bands and managers who didn't *know* DCN had "rights" to their live performances...why do I think some club-owners jsut happen to, uh, forget to tell bands this; meanwhile the recording exists, and if DCN becomes successful and wealthy, what lower-level band (like Spoon, say) is going to have the resources to contest it? The guy makes reassuring noises now about artistic integrity and whatnot...which is good, since the music business is generally such a paragon of integrity and plain dealing. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ np: something by the Wolfhounds...forget the title ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:25:31 -0800 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Christmas Tuneage It's only seasonally appropriate for a couple more weeks, so now I feel the need to mention that live365.com is back online, and anyone who's interested can tune into my festive holiday broadcast (do a search for "mixmash" at live365.com or click the "start" link at www.webcom.com/smholt/mixmash.html). I've added a few new songs this year, including Tim's cover of "Invisible Mistletoe", which joins previous tracks by Pledge Drive, SLAW, Circular Firing Squad for a full Tim Walters holiday experience. If anyone else has any Christmas mp3s to share (especially ones you've recorded yourself -- every musician has to have at least one holiday song!), please let me know. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:47:43 -0800 (PST) From: Jer Fairall Subject: [loud-fans] Talking about writing about films about books > Bad music for a bad movie, but maybe they jacked the > volume to make up for what was not happening on the > screen. I'm not sure I agree with all of these claims that HARRY POTTER & THE SORCORER'S STONE is such faithful adaptation. It is in the sense that all of the events of the book are visualized on screen but one of the things that I loved about Rowling's books so much was the dry British humor that she narrated them with (and the casual way in which extremely bizarre events occurred), which Columbus replaces with his usual forced Hollywood sentiment. There are a few good sequences and I liked Daniel Radcliffe (who nicely underplays his role) a lot but I sat through it always wondering what a good director would have done with it (Tim Burton's film would have been interesting, thought not at all like the book; I would have picked Joe Dante, who did GREMLINS and the vastly underrated TV show EERIE, INDIANA). It's not an insult to the book in the same way that SIMON BIRCH was to A PRAYER FOR OWEN MEANY, but it was clearly made by someone who didn't understand everything that made the books so special. And since I missed the books-into-movies thread, here is my list (Top 5, in the spirit of one of these novels) of favorite film adaptations of novels that I also loved: SLAUGHTERHOUSE FIVE THE WORLD ACCORDING TO GARP THE SWEET HEREAFTER WONDER BOYS HIGH FIDELITY Atom Egoyan's film of Russel Banks' THE SWEET HEREAFTER is, I think, an adaptation that develops a separate identity of it's own and if you've neither read the book or seen the movie, I strongly recommend doing both in that order. George Roy Hill made coherent and pretty much faithful films out of Kurt Vonnegut's SLAUGHTERHOUSE FIVE and John Irving's THE WORLD ACCORDING TO GARP, which couldn't have been easy (the only other Vonnegut and Irving adaptations that I thought worked were MOTHER NIGHT and THE CIDER HOUSE, respectively, both of which were far more straightforward that their authors usually tend to be). Stephen Frears and John Cussack fiddled with some of the details of Nick Hornby's book but I thought that the one's that they changed were none of the one's that really mattered and so after a few viewings of their HIGH FIDELITY I eventually came to love it just as much as I love the book. I considered including ELECTION in the above list as it and HIGH FIDELITY are easily my two favorite movies of the last five-ish years but I thought that Alexander Payne's film was such an improvement on Tom Perotta's rather slight novel that I never really thought of the film as an adaptation of a book that I liked and wanted to see justice done to. And to finally get back to what I think was glenn's original question (I read, deleted and meant to answer the post weeks ago), my favorite filmmakers also tend to be the one's who write their own films (ie - Woody Allen, Whit Stillman, Albert Brooks, Hal Hartly, Cameron Crowe and Kevin Smith who, forgetting for a minute the disaster that was JAY & SILENT BOB STRIKE BACK, is usually my favorite filmmaker working). I think this has a lot to do with the control that a writer/filmmaker has over their own work (notice how films like ARMAGEDDON and CHARLIE'S ANGELS tend to have something like 5-10 writers each). I also tend to like, much more often than not, music by people who perform stuff that they wrote themselves, which I may or may not be analogous to this issue (I think so, but others may disagree). Thoughts? Jer ===== Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:38:43 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] The Long Road... Since we've been getting into List nostalgia lately... They've recently archived 20 years of Usenet articles at Google. Here's the Rob Poor post where I first heard about the Loud Family. It also had the info I used for subscribing to the mailing list which eventually became this List. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22scott+miller%22+%22loud+family%22&start=180&hl=en&scoring=d&rnum=186&selm=5639%40rosie.NeXT.COM Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:30:21 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] *too* close... Okay, so I've been working on my swap tape. First, coming up with a ridiculous little subtext/theme, going through a zillion CDs trying to find the right tracks, making sure everything'll fit on one tape (albeit a 110)...and then trying to put together the j-card: finding (i.e., stealing from the web) some art, thinking through the concept, choosing fonts, designing & actually placing the elements together...when I pick up this week's _Onion_ ('round these parts, they actually *print* the thing) and see the article represented online at the URL hereunder: http://www.theonion.com/onion3745/area_man_proud.html Sheesh. Who's been hangin' 'round my house? (And not just mine, I think...) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::You think your country needs you, but you know it never will:: __Elvis Costello__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:54:45 -0800 From: "West Moran" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] *too* close... > Okay, so I've been working on my swap tape. First, coming up with a > ridiculous little subtext/theme, going through a zillion CDs trying to > find the right tracks, making sure everything'll fit on one tape (albeit a > 110)...and then trying to put together the j-card: finding (i.e., stealing > from the web) some art, thinking through the concept, choosing fonts, > designing & actually placing the elements together...when I pick up this > week's _Onion_ ('round these parts, they actually *print* the thing) and > see the article represented online at the URL hereunder: > > http://www.theonion.com/onion3745/area_man_proud.html > > Sheesh. Who's been hangin' 'round my house? (And not just mine, I > think...) I was just about to alert everyone to this article when I ran into your message. Yikes. Just when I was getting up the hubris to write a little something about my swap CD for the first time, I'm shamed before I've even begun. Sorry, J2F -- I may not even give you a hint about the songs now. Oh, who am I kidding? Hubris ahoy! 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