From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #336 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, December 11 2001 Volume 01 : Number 336 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Eno track in TRAFFIC [mick ] Re: [loud-fans] French and Saunders ["O Geier" ] RE: [loud-fans] French and Saunders ["Keegstra, Russell" ] Re: [loud-fans] Eno track in TRAFFIC [dana-boy@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] Van der graaf generator ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] French and Saunders [Vivebonpop@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] French and Saunders ["O Geier" ] [loud-fans] Earth Opera reissue (ns) [dana-boy@juno.com] [loud-fans] Lucinda's ESSENCE ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] Lucinda's ESSENCE ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] Lucinda's ESSENCE ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] [loud-fans] new anita lane record? [dmw ] [loud-fans] Lucinda/Christmas [Jer Fairall ] Re: [loud-fans] Lucinda/Christmas [Bill Silvers ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 03:49:51 -0500 From: mick Subject: [loud-fans] Eno track in TRAFFIC >From: Jer Fairall > >I just saw the movie TRAFFIC (which months of hype, >surprisingly, didn't manage to spoil) and loved that >Brian Eno piece that plays over the final scene >("Ascent (An Ending)"). Instead of buying the >soundtrack, though, I figure that I should use this as >an opportunity to educate myself on Eno. So, if I >like this will I like the rest? Which album is it on? >Is it good/representative? Discuss. The Eno album this track appears originally appears on (APOLLO) is itself a soundtrack to a film about the Apollo missions, and one of the better ambient Eno records--well worth getting IMO. The album also features Daniel Lanois and Roger Eno. Lanois plays processed pedal steel guitar on some tracks, giving it a floaty, dreamy sound. I bet it worked perfectly in the film. ON LAND, another ambient record from the early eighties, is my favorite Eno, at least of all the ones I've heard. If you buy APOLLO and like it, make it a point to check out this one as well. "Ascent" is representative of the more accessible end of ambient Eno records (translation: it contains more notes). It is not at all representative of his vocal albums. Big difference. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable of the early Eno records can give a more informed perspective. (Stewart? Bueller?) >np: Teenage Fanclub, SONGS FROM NORTHERN BRITAIN Great record too. mick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:52:01 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] French and Saunders <> They are ALL extremely funny. In many ways, it is superior to AB FAB. The one where they parody Madonna's Truth or Dare is extremely funny, as is the one where they are the female rappers, I don't know which collection they are on, as I rented them. Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:03:52 -0600 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] French and Saunders This is taxing my memory early in the morning, but I seem to recall a particularly funny thing they did about a lawsuit brought against a music printer - they brought in Mark King, David Gilmour and others I can't recall offhand who would play something, then the defense put the music book in front of them and they couldn't play it. The explanation: "There's no little dots." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:04:04 -0500 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Eno track in TRAFFIC "Ascent" is representative of the more accessible end of ambient Eno records (translation: it contains more notes). It is not at all representative of his vocal albums. Big difference. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable of the early Eno records can give a more informed perspective. (Stewart? Bueller?) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't want to start trying to rank the four Eno "rock" albums, since they're all great in different ways. I will mention that he did a few vocals in collaboration with the German band Cluster that are nice for people who want more in the vein of his early stuff. The song "Broken Head" in particular is worth tracking down. The Eno/Cluster stuff has been sold under a bunch of different album titles, and I'm not completely clear on what's what, so someone else has to step up to the plate. The two original albums were "Cluster and Eno" and "After the Heat" but I've seen the same material on CDs with different names. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:15:47 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Van der graaf generator >Can anyone tell me about them and what record is good to start to listen to >them? I heard a really nice song of theirs called House with No doors from >1970 and would like to know about them. I'm probably late into this thread, but I know them pretty well. "House With No Doors" is actually my very favorite song by them, and if you like it I can't guarantee you'll like much else by them. Most of their most well-regarded music is longer, more complex, more obtuse, and harsher than that song. The album it's on, H TO HE WHO AM THE ONLY ONE, is my favorite, though the long songs on side two, like pretty much all of their albums, alternate between amazing me and trying my patience. Peter Hamill is a self-proclaimed (and fascinating) poet who uses a lot of death imagery, and though he does have a sense of humor, when he's serious he reaches a level of intensity that can be disarming. Conventional wisdom is that the album PAWN HEARTS is their best (check out the comments on amazon.com and you'll find a lot of people who consider it the crowning achievement in all of prog), but again the moments of brilliance come a little far and few between for me to really be able to listen al the way through without my mind wandering. Their first album, AEROSOL GREY MACHINE, is the one with the shortest songs, and though their fans consider it only a glimpse of what will come, I like it a lot and find it their most listenable and melodic album. Peter Hamill has also had a long solo career, of which I'm less acquainted, though oddly enough NADIR'S BIG CHANCE is considered a big influence on punk, as (in 1975) some of the songs have a really nice buzzsaw-style guitar, and the songs are short by Hamill standards. Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:28:10 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Eno track in TRAFFIC >"Ascent" is representative of the more accessible end of ambient Eno >records (translation: it contains more notes). It is not at all >representative of his vocal albums. Big difference. Perhaps someone more >knowledgeable of the early Eno records can give a more informed >perspective. (Stewart? Bueller?) Early Eno is very different, since the four key early albums were song-oriented, whereas most of what he did since was more in a soundtrack/ambient mode. His most higly regarded album, 1975's ANOTHER GREEN WORLD, points in that direction, with about half of the album being instrumentals, but they're short and extremely tightly structured. I love that album to death, and I also love the much poppier first two albums, HERE COME THE WARM JETS, and TAKING TIGER MOUNTAIN BY STRATEGY, whih show much more of a connection to his days with Roxy Music than the later work. The album BEFORE AND AFTER SCIENCE is also in the short song/pop song mode, but somewhat less consistent than the other three albums I mention. I'm not as acquainted with his prolific instrumental work, though MUSIC FOR AIRPORTS seems to be very well-liked. Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:25:47 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] This is creepy Just slightly though: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1494109191 Somebody is auctioning a signed photo of Phil Daniels (Jimmy from Quadrophenia). They show the photo, but next to it is another photo, and I'm trying to determine if it's a new photo of this guy. If it is....yikes, what happened? He's only 41, but looks 60 Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:48:57 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] French and Saunders In a message dated 12/10/01 8:52:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, ocgiii@hotmail.com writes: > They are ALL extremely funny. In many ways, it is superior to AB FAB. The > one where they parody Madonna's Truth or Dare is extremely funny, as is the > one where they are the female rappers, I don't know which collection they > are on, as I rented them. > > > > > > That would be the "Living in a Material World" F&S collection (I did my internet homework on the BBC site...proud of me?). Sold. I'm going to hold off on these as I discovered at the BBC site that they are all coming out on DVD in early February, along with ABFAB series 4, which is showing on Comedy Central right now, much to my jealousy. If cable weren't so bloody expensive, it might be worth having. You know, BBC programs, more opportunities to see "VIP".... M np Band Aid "Do They Know It's Christmas?" 12" (a pop music and pop culture relic, but still great...I liked Bono better back in the days when he was working that angular, spiked mullet 'do, way before the Vegas pimp bug sunglasses) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:56:51 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] French and Saunders << cable weren't so bloody expensive, it might be worth having. You know, BBC programs, more opportunities to see "VIP"....>> You misspelled 'programmes' Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:38:12 -0500 From: dana-boy@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] Earth Opera reissue (ns) Wait long enough and everything gets reissued on CD. I just found out that Earth Opera's great first album (self titled) has been reissued by Wounded Bird Records. It's available through CDNOW, or direct from: http://www.woundedbird.com/ I'm told that their second album "Great American Eagle Tragedy" pretty much stinks, and after that Peter Rowan went all bluegrassy. The first album, though, is terrific. I'm pretty sure it was discussed here a year or so ago, so hopefully the archives hold answers to any questions. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:00:32 -0500 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: [loud-fans] Lucinda's ESSENCE I can't recall--did most of this list hate Lucinda Williams' ESSENCE album, or were there just a few very vocal listmembers who, since I remember their distatste, clearly made their point? I just got it from the library, figuring I should hear it before I plop down my money on it, and am surprised by how much I like it. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:34:54 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Lucinda's ESSENCE I liked it a lot. Especially "Essence" itself. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Milenski" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 3:00 pm Subject: [loud-fans] Lucinda's ESSENCE > I can't recall--did most of this list hate Lucinda Williams' ESSENCE album, > or were there just a few very vocal listmembers who, since I remember their > distatste, clearly made their point? I just got it from the library, > figuring I should hear it before I plop down my money on it, and am > surprised by how much I like it. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:55:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Lucinda's ESSENCE On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, glenn mcdonald wrote: > I liked it a lot. Especially "Essence" itself. I also like "Are You Down?", although those are the only two songs I've heard from it. I heard them on the music system on an airplane, so they must be good if I like them in that environment. Know what I mean, J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:01:01 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Wynn some, lose some (ns) The last few times that I've posted about shows on WFMU, there's been a last minute cancellation (Sonic Boom and the Clinic both blew off their appearances). Nonetheless, according to their schedule: Monday, December 10th, 8:00pm - 11:00pm STEVE WYNN Steve and his Miracle 3 will play some unplugged songs to plug his two-set extravaganza at the Knitting Factory: one regular set, then a set of the Dream Syndicate's classic The Days of Wine and Roses performed in its entirety. At 9pm on Trash, Twang and Thunder with Meredith Ochs. For anyone who wants to hear a bit of Kevin Tihista (the guy I posted twice about the other day) before buying, there's a nice non-album mp3 currently on his website www.kevintihista.com which starts off in Elliot Smith land and then moves into Beach Boys territory. I dig it. The guy at the record store said that he heard something about Division One/Atlantic going caput. I'm not sure what that would mean for Kevin, though it might explain the total lack of publicity in the US. I hope his website keeps putting out songs-of-the-week, 'cause he supposedly has tons of them in the can. Does anyone have anything to say about the K records band The Microphones? I've kind of avoided K for years, ever since I started to feel like Calvin was a little too creepy. But, the mp3's of the Microphones that I heard on Epitonic.com are very intriguing. They remind me a little bit of the lo-fi stuff that occasionally popped up on the Swirlies albums: tuneful but also kind of arty, and smothered under untold layers of goo. While the singing and guitar playing are very K-like, the keyboards and odd noises and suite-like structures and so on are much more ambitious. Beat Happening collaborating with the Olivia Tremor Control seems as good a description as any for the tracks that I heard, but without all that marching-band/frank zappa crap that often futzes up the OTC. I'd like to hear more about the band. And finally, this weeks "Ask Scott" was very interesting, as he discussed his view of current events in simple words that I was able to understand, and told some German where to stick it. It was much more direct than his usual, which is encouraging to me: I'd like to see him get a little bit less esoterically philosophical at this trying point in his career. - --dana np: The Dead C/"Tusk" ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:27:48 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] new anita lane record? anybody heard it? i liked _dirty pearl_, and this is another mick harvey venture, it looks like, but the promo pic and album title ("sex o'clock") give me misgivings. - -- d. np lali puna _scary world theory_ - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:29:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jer Fairall Subject: [loud-fans] Lucinda/Christmas > I can't recall--did most of this list hate Lucinda > Williams' ESSENCE It reminded me of one of Neil Young's more laid back acoustic records (HARVEST MOON, perhaps), which is fine, but what put me off was how nearly every song seemed to consist of her repeating a single lyric over and over again (ie - "Lonely girls/lonely girls/lonely girls/lonely girls//Heavy blankets/heavy blankets/heavy blankets/cover lonely girls"). I keep wanting to give it more chances but I have a feeling that it's headed for my trade-in pile. I missed the Christmas thread from last week so here, belatedly, are a few of my favorite Christmas tunes: Dar Williams, "The Christians & The Pagans" Pretenders, "2000 Miles" Kirsty Macoll/Pogues, "Fairytale of New York" Aimee Mann/Michael Penn, "Christmastime" Posies, "Christmas" Hit Parade, "Christmas Tears" Sarge, "Last Christmas" U2, "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)" And although they may not exactly count: Simon & Garfunkel, "Silent Night/7 O'Clock News" Loud Family, "It Just Wouldn't Be Christmas" Culturecide, "Santa Claus Was My Lover" The only Christmas albums I can stand to play all the way through are Cyndi Lauper's MERRY CHRISTMAS...HAVE A NICE LIFE and Low's CHRISTMAS, although I still have my copy of MERRY CHRISTMAS WITH THE SMURFS from when I was five. And my choice for the worst Christmas song ever would have to be this Rosie O'Donnell/Dixie Chicks duet that we used to play in my store all the time last Christmas (mercifully, I have yet to hear it this year). Yes, Rosie herself sings on it and in a campy faux-country drawl at that. Try to imagine how awful this sounds and multiply it by several hundred times and that's about how dreadful it is. Jer np: Sorry About Dresden, THE CONVENIENCE OF INDECISION ===== Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:42:30 -0600 From: Bill Silvers Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Lucinda/Christmas At 09:29 PM 12/10/2001 -0800, Jer Fairall replied: > > I can't recall--did most of this list hate Lucinda > > Williams' ESSENCE > >It reminded me of one of Neil Young's more laid back >acoustic records (HARVEST MOON, perhaps), which is >fine, but what put me off was how nearly every song >seemed to consist of her repeating a single lyric over >and over again (ie - "Lonely girls/lonely girls/lonely >girls/lonely girls//Heavy blankets/heavy >blankets/heavy blankets/cover lonely girls"). I keep >wanting to give it more chances but I have a feeling >that it's headed for my trade-in pile. The song you quote from, "Lonely Girls," is my favorite for worst song of the year. It's shocking that a writer with Lucinda Williams track record would choose to open the record with such an unformed song. While ESSENCE has some moments, it's a big disappointment overall, with the songwriting, not the subdued tempos and mood, at the head of my list of problems with it. b.s. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #336 *******************************