From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #328 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 01 : Number 328 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] I'm waking up to...Love?? (ns)/SNL/Christmas songs [Viveb] Re: [loud-fans] I'm waking up to...Love?? (ns)/SNL/Christmas songs [Viveb] Re: [loud-fans] I'm waking up to...Love?? (ns)/SNL/Christmas songs [Viveb] [loud-fans] Don & Marti Get Busy [Michael Bowen ] [loud-fans] RE: Mary Lou ["Brett Milano" ] [loud-fans] Zero Stars [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] RE: Mary Lou ["Andrew Hamlin" ] FW: [loud-fans] I'm waking up to...Love?? (ns) [Michael Zwirn ] [loud-fans] Christmas tunage [Vivebonpop@aol.com] [loud-fans] Belle and Sebastian lyrics [Vivebonpop@aol.com] [loud-fans] LoudSwap review ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 03:10:41 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I'm waking up to...Love?? (ns)/SNL/Christmas songs In a message dated 12/2/01 1:02:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, zoom@speakeasy.org writes: > Love the B-52's. Don't quite understand, though, why we "need" a new > anthology so soon after 1998's TIME CAPSULE. The first album is still the > one for me, though that's probably because I never sat down with the > others, > except the eminently worthy COSMIC THING. For toy piano, I'll take the > second album's "Give Me Back My Man." Oh, and WHAMMY's "Legal Tender" is > on > my short list of perfect songs. > > I think this anthology will be very complete, like the Cars' "Just What I Needed," or Devo's "Heroes Who Got Scalped." Maybe they'll even include the original versions of "Rock Lobster/52 Girls," (DB Recs #1) but I suppose there would be all that legal wrangling, like the "Hib-Tone" R.E.M. single, but who knows? Maybe. The original versions sound much more murky and subterranean, and, like a good music snob, I prefer them over the WB versions. They aired an old SNL tonight from 25 years ago with George Harrison as a guest along with Paul Simon, and it was so charming. Seeing the two on stage together doing "Here Comes the Sun" and "Homeward Bound" was sublime, as this originally aired before my time, and I missed it the first go 'round. Compared to the zeitgeist of now, I thought the show was rather tame and innocent. It was almost like a sociological document of a subculture and an era that has passed. I was wondering what different listers favorite Christmas records are. Mine is Band Aid's "Feed the World," (12" version w/musician messages) that song Bowie did with Bing Crosby on that '70s tv special, "The Little Drummer Boy," and of course, the Charlie Brown Christmas soundtrack's "Christmastime is Here." And, throw in the Waitresses' "Christmas Wrapping" for good measure. It's time to buy the latest model getaway jeep, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 03:12:48 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I'm waking up to...Love?? (ns)/SNL/Christmas songs In a message dated 12/2/01 3:10:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, Vivebonpop writes: > Heroes Who Got Scalped I mean "Pioneers" M ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 03:25:13 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I'm waking up to...Love?? (ns)/SNL/Christmas songs In a message dated 12/2/01 3:10:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, Vivebonpop writes: > Mine is Band Aid's "Feed the World," (12" version w/musician messages) Another correction...it's "Do They Know It's Christmas?" but a track called "Feed the World" was included on the 12" if memory serves. Really trying not to "Breen," M ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 10:11:19 -0500 From: Michael Bowen Subject: [loud-fans] Don & Marti Get Busy I hopped over to http://www.efolkmusic.com the other day and saw that both Don Dixon and Marti Jones have new albums available. Dixon's is called "Notepad #38" and contains two versions (fast and slow) of "If I Could Walk Away", along with "Inside These Arms", "Praying Mantis" and 10 new songs. They also have all of Don's other CDs in stock, including the wonderful live "Chi-Town Budget Show". Marti's new one is called "My Tidy Doily Dream", and has 12 original songs. I haven't heard either yet, but I figured that some of you might be interested. MB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 13:48:55 -0500 From: "Brett Milano" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: Mary Lou ** Maybe this time we'll get Mary Lou's "Romeo And Juliet" (and/or a second shot at her "Thirteen"). She's been selling this album at subways for a few months now; the Rubric version has the same tracks but a less cheesecake photo. "Romeo & Juliet" isn't on it, but "Thirteen" is (along with "1952 Vincent Black Lightning," "Thunder Road," and a bunch of ther things). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 13:04:28 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] Zero Stars I just want to plug a new music DVD I got. I know there are a few Poster Children fans out there (Miles?) and some people who *should* be PKids fans. All of you should go right to posterchildren.com and buy their new ZERO STARS disc ($15 + $2 S&H). I watched the whole thing this weekend twice (had to listen to the commentary track, of course) and found it vastly entertaining. It alternates video of live songs from two shows filmed in Chicago and Champaign with funny, well-acted reenactments of actual tour incidents. It was completely produced by the band with their friends and families, and was directed/edited by Rick, the lead singer. The concerts are well-shot - something like 7 cameras were used, so the camera angles are varied. The sound is recorded and mixed very well also. Every note comes through. I've said it before and I'll say it again: the PKids are one of my favorite live bands and they always put on an energetic show. I always catch them when they come through Denver and they've never disappointed, no matter how many people showed up to the show. They've never done a live album, so this video does a good job of getting across what they are like on stage compared to their records. But it's the "life of a touring band" reenactments between songs that really had me admiring the DVD. The incidents were derived from Rose the bass player's tour diaries on the web site (which are also very entertaining). Those of us who have chatted with the Loud Family about touring, and/or have had them stay at our houses, can really relate. (Or those who have done their own everyone-in-a-minivan-no-roadies tour, for that matter.) This is for everyone who's roommate or spouse has ever said to them "I don't want you bringing bands home!" One particular poignant moment for me in light of recent List discussions was a scene when Rick was answering an interviewer's question about (paraphrased) "You've been at this a long time and are still wallowing in obscurity compared to band-of-the-moment - why don't you just give up?" Rick's answer is somewhat different from Scott Miller's... Yeah, it's staged, but the sentiments and ideas ring true. Extras include the aforementioned commentary track (with Rick and Rose), which hilariously explores further what life on the road is like, and also details what went into the making of the disc. There's also a standard "plot"-type video for This Town Needs A Fire, which is pretty keen. (My only complaint is that I wish they had included ALL their videos, which are generally pretty imaginative. Hopefully they will show up on a subsequent release.) And there's some funny outtakes and a live video for another song. Anyway, buy it. It's good. Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:43:20 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: Mary Lou >She's been selling this album at subways for a few months now; the Rubric >version has the same tracks but a less cheesecake photo. "Romeo & Juliet" >isn't on it, but "Thirteen" is (along with "1952 Vincent Black Lightning," >"Thunder Road," and a bunch of ther things). Ah, such a shame about "Romeo And Juliet"--I've seen her do it two or three times, and it always kills me. Do we get "Blimps Go 90" by any chance? She does a lovely version of that. Went looking for a track list, but Rubric doesn't seem to have updated yet. The Scorched Earth (aka Bevis Frond) album looks interesting, though, Andy The song had a profound influence upon Tori Amos when she first heard it, in part because her grandfather was part Cherokee and had grown up in the South--where, he told her, European settlers had tried to wipe out anyone, like his ancestors, with connections to the land. For Amos, images like "blood at the roots" were especially powerful. Then there was that jarring juxtaposition: "He takes you from one of the yummiest things--fruit--into on e of the darkest things: lynchings." "It would just ring in my ears," she said of the song. "I just remember being floored by it." She felt compelled to sing it, but first she had to "put myself in a place where a wasn't normally," where her voice would be raw and she'd feel "completely vulnerable." In the old adobe house in Taos that houses her studios, she dragged herself out of bed at 5:30 one morning and, without even a sip of water, went directly to the piano and recorded it. Never, though, has she performed [it] live. "I just can't walk into it," she said. - --from David Margolick's STRANGE FRUIT: BILLIE HOLIDAY, CAFE SOCIETY, AND THE STRUGGLE FOR CIVIL RIGHTS. Tori Amos' take on "Strange Fruit" appeared on her CORNFLAKE GIRL ep from 1994. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:46:55 -0800 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: FW: [loud-fans] I'm waking up to...Love?? (ns) e?? (ns) on 12/1/01 10:04 PM, Andrew Hamlin wrote: >> Mary Lou Lord's new album, "Live City Sounds," has apparently been pushed >> back until January. I saw a release for next week initially, but the new >> AP has it slated for January on Rubric records > > Oddly enough, MIchael Zwirn claimed to know about (and maybe have seen) this > album a few months back! Michael? I've owned for months, actually. Best bet is to eliminate the middleman. Buy it from Mary Lou herself - bopst@aol.com if you wanna nag her - or just hang around Harvard Square when the weather's good. It didn't blow me away, to be honest. last played, I think: Moby, Move now reading: Philip Pullman, The Golden Compass (His Dark Materials Vol. 1) last seen: Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone, too literal I thought Michael - ------------------------------------------------------- Michael Zwirn, Environmental Policy Analyst michael@zwirn.com Home 503/232-8919 Cell 503/887-9800 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:58:41 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] Chat? Another week, I still can't connect to eskimo. I'll be hanging out at irc.DAL.net #loudfans for about an hour, though, if anyone wants to drop in. How many more times, Andy "When she told me about some planned trek to the hinterlands of Queens--where I was born and raised--I provincially explained that there really wasn't much to see outside of Shea Stadium, the Lemon Ice King of Corona, and John Gotti's Bergin Hunt & Fish Club. Of course, she'd return in a few days with a marvelous story of discovery, having wheeled out to where the concrete turns into marshland. She even enjoyed bicycling to Brooklyn's Gowanus Canal, an often fetid body of water (sure, it would have been easier to pedal along a pleasant Hudson River path, but that wasn't Julie's thing)." - --William Bastone of The Smoking Gun, remembering his friend and colleague Julie Lobbia. Ms. Lobbia, an award-winning editor and writer for the "Village Voice," and wife to Smoking Gun staffer Joe Jesselli, died on Thanksgiving morning of this year. Further copy at http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/oursister.shtml . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 00:29:48 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Christmas tunage I know this probably gets knocked around every season, but I would very much like to know favorite Loudfan Christmas tunes. Also, what is the weirdest Christmas song/album you ever encountered? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 00:52:34 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Belle and Sebastian lyrics These lyrics struck me as witty and I wanted to pass them on from the new Belle and Sebastian CD single: from "I Love My Car": I love my Carl I love my Brian my Dennis and my Al I could even find it in my head to love Mike Love The Felt comparisons are probably deserved on this latest release. The inside of the liner sleeve is done in a very similar style to Felt's "Gold Mine Trash" lp, and the piano on the end of "Marx and Engels" sounds like it was lifted from the recording session to Felt's "Candles in a Church." At least the influences are good. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:54:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] LoudSwap review I have been terribly remiss about reviewing the wonderful CDs folks have sent me in the past few months. Here is the first of several reviews to come. My apologies to Larry, Stewart, Stef, and Steve. (If anyone who's gotten one of my CDs wants to review it, that'd be nice too, since I'm 0 for 5 so far.) Here is Larry's CD: Plugged In All live recordings, most of high quality. Very well-paced and arranged 1. "Get Free" - Shalini Local 506, Chapel Hill, NC - Sept. 15, 2000 A little muddy, but still jangly, and Shalini & Mitch's voices work very nicely together. 2. "Voices" - Cheap Trick Cat's Cradle, Chapel Hill, NC - Jan. 22, 2001 A really smokin' performance, especially nice with the audience doing backing vox. 3. "She's Only Cool" - Cotton Mather BBC GLR Sessions 2000 A faithful rendition - power-pop's essence. You already know if you like them. 4. "Money from England" - The H-Bombs Cat's Cradle, Chapel Hill, NC - Feb. 29, 1978 I think this is an early version of the dBs: fiesty and full of energy 5. "I'm Not Talking" - Bangles House of Blues, LA, CA - Sept. 23, 2000 Nice to hear them working so well together again. Great Yardbirds cover. I wonder if the reunion album will ever be coming out. 6. "Mr. Underground" - Superdrag Exit Inn, Nashville, TN - Oct. 2, 1999 Crunchy, very Kiss-like; arch lyrics are rather whiny 7. "Lucky Day" Jason Falkner The Garage, London, UK - Mar. 1, 1999 Exactly like the studio version 8. "The Rats Are Coming, The Werewolves Are Here" - Doleful Lions Kings, Raleigh, NC - Oct. 13, 2000 Lowkey, but tense - almost hypnotic; I'm interested in hearing more from them 9. "California" - P. Hux Jay's living room, Escondido, CA - Oct. 14, 2000 A great song - full of wry humor 10. "Dreams Are Lovers" - Glory Fountain Go! Studios, Carrboro, NC - Nov. 5, 2000 Really nice mostly acoustic number; is this any connection to the Cont. Drifters? 11. "Linger" - Jeffrey Foster WXDU, Durham, NC - 1998 Acoustic break-up song - similar to many songs I heard at open-mic nights at the Hotel Utah 12. "I Need You Now" - Will Kimbrough Go! Studios, Carrboro, NC - Dec. 5, 2000 Doesn't make much of an impression - so much of this kind of competent pop available, it's tough to get noticed 13. "Keep It to Yourself" - Amy Rigby Go! Studios, Carrboro, NC - Dec. 5, 2000 A terrific revenge song, nicely arranged as a light samba. Her voice is really sweet. 14. "Snow" - Continental Drifters Cat's Cradle, Carrboro, NC - June 2, 2000 Lead voice a little ragged; a little too lopey for me 15. "Out of My Hands" - Michael Penn w/ Aimee Mann The Rams Head, Annapolis, MD - Feb. 7, 2000 If you like him, well, that's what he sounds like; he and Aimee harmonize very well 16. "You Do" - Aimee Mann w/ Michael Penn Carolina Theater, Durham, NC - June 16, 2000 "Clink and jingle" audience participation percussion makes this one interesting; Patrick Warren's keyboards are especially well-played 17. "Cheaters Guide to Your Heart" - Eels The Roxy Theater, LA, CA - June 25, 2000 A new song, with the same tempo as most of DAISIES OF THE GALAXY; vocals flat and affectless 18. "Open Wide" - Chris von Sneidern San Francisco, CA - 1999 Song's not really remarkable - like a late Beatles b-side; don't really like his voice; his piano player now plays with Anton Barbeau 19. "I Me Mine" - Elliott Smith The Ritz, Raleigh, NC - May 10, 2000 Hard to tell - a distant audience recording; a faithful cover of a negligible song 20. "She Said She Said/Arnold Layne" - Robyn Hitchcock & Friends The Largo, LA, CA - Apr. 3, 1999 Another fun cover (see Bangles above) with the "everybody's groovy" Largo vibe; great "Penny Lane"ish transition between songs 21. "Suspicious Minds" - dB's Cat's Cradle, Chapel Hill, NC - Mar. 25, 1985 Cute cover choice, drunken vocals; my guess - 3rd or so encore A good collection of songs, and most performances were good. J. 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