From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #327 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, December 2 2001 Volume 01 : Number 327 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] music recommendations? ["CJ" ] Re: [loud-fans] drum machines [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] [loud-fans] Re: several messages ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] tokay, as heartened... [Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music recommendations? Hey, Thanks for the suggestions last week regarding my sister-in-law, Dave Matthews, etc. I was thinking that I made it perfectly unclear in a very inarticulate way in my original post that I would buy her the Dave Matthews CD if no sure-fire substitution came along, so it was nice to get a response or two to help me right my thinking. On a related note, two of my best friends did not register for an In-sink-erator, yet I gave them one for their wedding. And they were pleased. I failed to mention that my brother is a very good friend of mine and I'd like to keep it that way. His wife is getting socks from me. Later, CJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:29:02 -0800 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] drum machines >Okay, tango and bossa are obvious, but what's "Liverpool"? Boom-ka-thwap, boom-boom-ka-thwap. Perfect for that lounge version of "A Hard Day's Night." Or, for a more credible rendition, visit San Francisco's own Drum Machine Museum and do all 16 dances: http://www.drummachine.com/newpages/hammond_s.html What they don't mention is my favorite feature: if you push in multiple buttons, you can get two rhythms at the same time. This is particuarly great when they're in different time signatures, e.g. "6/8 Waltz" and "Hard Rock". And here's a very funny original advertisement, with lots of scare quotes: http://machines.hyperreal.org/manufacturers/Hammond/Auto-Vari/images/auto-vari.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:20:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: several messages Wow! Go to London for a week, and oh, how the messages pile up! Some respones: On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 DOUDIE@aol.com wrote: > And one more thing, I haven't gotten around to buying Paula's new record, > mostly out of forgetfulness. I am going to buy it now but it would be good > if someone could post a review of it.... It's great! If you liked 7 DEADLY SONGS, you'll like it a lot. Bonus: It's a song cycle about water! On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Richard Gagnon wrote: > Aw, it's nothing. Besides, there's still folks on the list (hi > Julianne!) who, last I heard, were still using Pine. Not that there's > anything wrong with that. Simple and stable. Whatever happened to > *that*? Pine rules! I've used it ever since a PC crash destroyed my early corresondence with my then-girlfriend. Advantages, as Doug said: I can check my mail from anywhere, I'm not responsible for maintenance of the mail-holding machine, and no viruses! On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Dan McCarthy wrote: > On the subject of B-sides, the Cure is one of those rare bands whose > B-sides sometimes, in my mind, surpass their singles. Of particular note > to me are the B-sides from singles from the Wish album: "This Twilight > Garden"; "Halo"; "Scared as You" are all fantastic. Side 2 of the STANDING ON THE BEACH tape is the best Cure collection available. "Splintered In Her Head", "New Day", and "A Few Hours After This" are terrific. I will definitely pick up the B-sides collection they put out. On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 Vivebonpop@aol.com wrote: > Looking at the credits on "Tvi," I see someone with the name of Brianna > Bradley given a thankyou. :O) It's a really good album, especially if you like soft pop, like The Ladybug Transistor and such. I haven't stopped listening to it since I got it. On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Max Germer wrote: > And Steve wrote: > > > Are the Phish cover things more enjoyable than their own albums? > I dunno. I'll admit to owning Lawn Boy, strictly because it reminds me of > college, but I've heard the concerts in which they cover one artist are > amazing (if you are into that kind of thing). They've done 4 Halloween cover shows (The White Album, QUADROPHENIA, REMAIN IN LIGHT (their best), and LOADED, and did DARK SIDE OF THE MOON on Nov. 2, 1998. They're very accomplished copyists. Shame about their originals... On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I enjoyed this also. In addition to Andy (Ingraham) Dwyer's wonderful post > about how he and Janet met, there's a truly wonderful moment a bit later > on. It's in Joe Mallon's discussion of the infamous Breening (about > halfway down the page). Try a search on the word "charming." Revealing quote from my mail: "I thought the Janet-Andy story was charming! Wish I could meet a Loud Family girl." Who knew? On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Frxmple, there's that font you see everywhere these days...kinda gothy > (not "gothic"), with a screwy M whose tops slight downhill to the right, > little dot inside the O, sometimes a very long tail on the R - connotes > variously "spooky," "gothy" (as I said), "postmodernly religious," etc. - > you know which one I mean? Looking around the room, I see a variation on > this font in the title of the hardcover edition of Philip Pullman's _The > Golden Compass_, for example. It's called Morpheus, and is widely available. My company's HelpDesk used it for their door sign this Halloween. Oooh, scary... On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, dmw wrote: > * What HAS Costello done for me lately? Reissue repackage extra track > with a photograph and a tacky badge? Last solidly good record, anyone? I'm a big fan of ALL THIS USELESS BEAUTY, the first EC record I bought since SPIKE. I like his new, gravelly voice, and the variety of the arrangements is also pleasant. On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Stewart Mason wrote: > I don't know all the details, but there have been hints from various > quarters that Scott Vanderbilt, who bought Rational Records from Scott > around 1983 or 1984, signed Game Theory to Enigma (where he was fairly high > in the corporate structure), and unless something has changed in the last > couple of years still owns the Game Theory master tapes, did not always act > with Game Theory's best interests at heart. Enigma in general did not have > the best reputation during its existence; I've heard members of other bands > signed to the label say some less-than-complimentary things about them as > well. That's nothing compared to the horrors some artists have been > subjected to over the years -- the things I've read about RCA's dealings > with Elvis Presley throughout his career are just terrifying -- but it > sounds like life at Enigma wasn't all beer and skittles. It didn't help that Enigma's distributor, Jem, went out of business in the late 80's. Many indie labels of that time went the way of all things after that. On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > Since you mention drum tracking here, and since Chris mentioned his need for > a drummer in his post, I just thought I'd ask: what are your thoughts about > using drum machines, in the studio and/or live. On the one hand, > music-making might be much easier with one less person to worry about--not > to mention less gear, far fewer mike setups, and far less expensive > tracking. On the other hand, some folks just aren't comfortable with a drum > machine's lack of spontaneity, or the stigma that still exists against such > machines in some quarters. I'm okay with drum machines that sound like drum machines - more as an intenionally affected sound now - than drum loops, which to me have become so noticable that I can't hear anything else in a song once I realize there's a loop going on. On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: > Or, for a more credible rendition, visit San Francisco's own Drum Machine Museum > and do all 16 dances: > > http://www.drummachine.com/newpages/hammond_s.html > > What they don't mention is my favorite feature: if you push in multiple buttons, > you can get two rhythms at the same time. This is particuarly great when > they're in different time signatures, e.g. "6/8 Waltz" and "Hard Rock". > > And here's a very funny original advertisement, with lots of scare quotes: > > http://machines.hyperreal.org/manufacturers/Hammond/Auto-Vari/images/auto-vari.jpg In keeping with the penis-lengthening spam, the ad promises "your dealer will advise you whether it can be 'wired-in' to your organ". Boom-ka-thwap, indeed. J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:24:26 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I'm waking up to...Love?? (ns) "I'm Waking Up To Us" is pretty groovy especially the last track, "Marx and Engels"...put it on repeat and drive around and look at Christmas lights. Also, I wanted to pass this on for those interested and perhaps didn't know: Mary Lou Lord's new album, "Live City Sounds," has apparently been pushed back until January. I saw a release for next week initially, but the new AP has it slated for January on Rubric records (don't think I have any releases from that label...anyone?). On 1/15 Rhino will reissue Costello's "Blood and Chocolate," "Brutual Youth," and "This Year's Model." Also, there will be a B-52's anthology released that day from the label as well (Rock and Roll!!!) Who says you can't make great rock and roll (their debut) on toy pianos and walkie talkies? Dance this mess around, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:04:02 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I'm waking up to...Love?? (ns) >Mary Lou Lord's new album, "Live City Sounds," has apparently been pushed >back until January. I saw a release for next week initially, but the new AP >has it slated for January on Rubric records Oddly enough, MIchael Zwirn claimed to know about (and maybe have seen) this album a few months back! Michael? From what I understand it's a collection of cover versions recorded live from Mary Lou's normal Boston-area subway busking point. Thus, a loose (and decidedly unintentional) trilogy with Emm Gryner's GIRL VERSIONS and Tori Amos' STRANGE LITTLE GIRLS--each an album of cover versions by a female performer, each album with an underlying concept of its own. >Also, there will be a >B-52's anthology released that day from the label as well (Rock and Roll!!!) >Who says you can't make great rock and roll (their debut) on toy pianos and >walkie talkies? Love the B-52's. Don't quite understand, though, why we "need" a new anthology so soon after 1998's TIME CAPSULE. The first album is still the one for me, though that's probably because I never sat down with the others, except the eminently worthy COSMIC THING. For toy piano, I'll take the second album's "Give Me Back My Man." Oh, and WHAMMY's "Legal Tender" is on my short list of perfect songs. Maybe this time we'll get Mary Lou's "Romeo And Juliet" (and/or a second shot at her "Thirteen"), Andy Our first "release" came out in late 1985, a flexible plastic record like the ones that you used to get as ads in magazines, containing "Everything Right is Wrong" and "You'll Miss Me." We sold the flexi-discs, or "Wiggle Diskettes" as we called them, by mail order out of my Hell's Kitchen apartment, which we referred to as the They Might Be Giants Building, and also gave them away at shows. During the three years I lived there Flans and I came up with much of the material for our first two albums, with the exception of "Ana Ng," which I wrote in Jonathan Gregg's apartment a month after I moved out of Hell's Kitchen. Looking back, that period seems like a time of hand-to-mouth poverty and wretched living conditions, and yet I mostly remember it with a kind of senseless fondness and affection. - --John Linnell of They Might Be Giants, from his "Hell's Kitchen" letter posted at www.tmbg.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 01:42:57 -0500 From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tokay, as heartened... >I'm not against home recording per se, but I think very few records I love >have really been made for 'pennies' -- although there are many for which I >don't know recording details. THere are a couple things at work... Though I'm generally an electronic music listener (which means that by its very nature, most of the music I listen to simply COULDNT be made for 'pennies', even with RAM prices as low as they are), there are a couple of records that I love that I think a large budget would have actually precluded being made, or certainly would have been a detriment to their making. One that springs immediately to mind is Springsteen's "Nebraska", which is as soulful a four-track recording as I can think of, and which I certainly consider one of the most inspiring records I've heard. Made me reconsider my whole strategy of musicianship. (the other) Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 02:00:24 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] tokay, as heartened... On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, Dan McCarthy wrote: > 'pennies', even with RAM prices as low as they are), there are a couple of > records that I love that I think a large budget would have actually > precluded being made, or certainly would have been a detriment to their > making. One that springs immediately to mind is Springsteen's "Nebraska", > which is as soulful a four-track recording as I can think of, and which I > certainly consider one of the most inspiring records I've heard. Made me > reconsider my whole strategy of musicianship. As I recall the story, Springsteen recorded the four-trac version, then went into the studio to do it "right." After some time in the studio, and not getting it right, he realized the 4-track version was the right version. I've basically avoided all of Springsteen's stuff, not because I thought there wasn't anything worthwhile, but because I figured _somebody_ had to pay for "Born in the USA" and he was the logical choice. But I bought "Nebraska" a few months back, and loved it. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 01:23:51 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Jason L., Phil F.... The addresses I have for you two bounced. Please e-mail me. For the rest of you: Move along now - there's nothing to see here. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #327 *******************************