From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #320 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, November 27 2001 Volume 01 : Number 320 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Used Bin ["O Geier" ] [loud-fans] dB's help ["O Geier" ] Re: [loud-fans] music recommendations? [Dana L Paoli ] [loud-fans] Kenneth, the frequency is... ["Jeff Downing" ] [loud-fans] The soul-imperiling evil of Harry Potter ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] computer info and advice/DM (not Depeche Mode)/Kilbey and entropy [Wes_Vokes@] [loud-fans] Hamlinesque [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Mercury tonight (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] Hamlinesque [Chris Prew ] RE: [loud-fans] The soul-imperiling evil of Harry Potter [Overall_Juliann] Re: [loud-fans] Hamlinesque [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Buy Nothing Day misplaced? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:18:53 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] Used Bin In the used bin at Plan 9 (as of yesterday): McCartney-Unplugged-$12LF-PABARAT-$8LF-Interbabe Concern-$4 I'll grab em if anybody say 'make it so'. Oz Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:28:57 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] dB's help What's that dB's URL again? Also, on vinyl at Plan 9, a Plimsouls Live LP, in mint condition. I may get that for myself. I don't know that it ever existed on CD. Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:45:59 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] music recommendations? On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:41:53 -0600 (CST) Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey writes: > On Sat, 24 Nov 2001, Roger Winston wrote: > > > At Friday 11/23/2001 10:38 PM -0500, Dana L Paoli wrote: > > > > >Now who else has a problem for me to solve? > > > > Also, I think I have bad breath. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to clarify, in case anyone got confused, it's Roger who thinks that he has bad breath. My breath smells like flowers and happy thoughts, as a direct result of the good karma that I've amassed by being nice to fuzzy little kittens. The Daily News (one of the two big NYC tabloids) ran three album reviews in its Sunday section this week: the new Divine Comedy, June Tabor and Radiohead. This put me in a good mood. They liked all three. IMHO, "Regeneration" by the Divine Comedy should click w/most who like clever pop, and it's probably Neil Hannon's best effort yet. It's locked in a struggle with U.S. Maple and Unwound for my #1 of the year. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:52:24 -0600 From: "Jeff Downing" Subject: [loud-fans] Kenneth, the frequency is... Although the case that is presented to the readers might not be airtight, the December issue of Harper's contains "The Frequency: Solving the riddle of the Dan Rather beating," which suggests that the man who inspired the attack was none other than Donald Barthelme. It's an odd story, but here are the main circumstantial points: - - Both Rather and Barthelme, born six months apart, were raised in Houston and got involved in local journalism in the late 50s (Rather worked at a Houston radio station while Barthelme reported for the Houston Post). Soonafter, Rather moved over to KTRK for a television position, and DB took over as director of the city's Contemporary Arts Museum. The writer, Paul Limbert Allman, asks, "Is it possible that they could _not_ have known each other, or of each other, in the Houston of the late 1950s and early 1960s? That they could _not_ have attended the same journalistic functions? Or that Rather, the rising star, could not have been the object of envy and speculation on the part of his peers?" While Rather drifted up the ranks of the CBS News department in New York, DB eventually taught at City College. - - In the Barthelme canon, the name of Kenneth pops up now and again ("The Indian Uprising" and "Can We Talk" are noted), yet only as a peripheral character. However, this coincidence resonates when Allman runs across this dialogue from "Kierkegaard Unfair to Schlegel": A. I use the girl on the train a lot. I'm on a traid, a European train with compartments. A young girl enters and sits opposite me....The book is in her lap. Her legs are fairly wide apart, very tanned, the color of-- Q. That's a very common fantasy. A. All my fantasies are extremely ordinary. Q. Does it give you pleasure? A. A poor....A rather unsatisfactory ... Q. What is the frequency? - - In Barthelme's "The Emerald," one of the characters is a reporter who is interviewing a witch. The reporter, Lily, asks the witch about one of her magic potions to see if it could help her with a problem. I have a problem. What's the problem? The editor, or editor-king, as he's called around the shop. What about him? He takes my stuff and throws it on the floor. When he doesn't like it. On the floor? I know it's nothing to you but it _hurts me_. I cry. I know I shouldn't cry but I cry. When I see my stuff on the floor. Pages and pages of it, so carefully typed, _every word spelled right_-- Don't you kids have a union? Yes but he won't speak to it. That this man Lather, right? Mr. Lather. Editor-imperator. On the next page, Lather telephones Mad Moll: Hello is this Mad Moll? Yes who is this? My name is Lather. The editor? Editor-king, actually. Yes, Mr. Lather what is the name of your publication I don't know that Lily would ever-- _World_. I put it together. When _World_ is various and beautiful, it's because I am various and beautiful. When _World_ is sad and dreary, it's because I am sad and dreary. When _World_ is not thy friend, it's because _I_ am not thy friend. And if I am not thy friend, baby-- I get the drift. According to Allman, "All hell breaks loose in the story: a foot kills a man, an emerald begins to speak, and devils appear..." Three devils showed up! Lily's interviewing them right now! A free press is not afraid of a thousand devils. There are only three! What do they look like? Like Lather, the editor! - - Allman wraps up his argument by decimating the proposition that the convicted killer who confessed to the assault had anything to do it. Bringing it all back home, you'll not be surprised to hear that R.E.M. is mentioned while Scott is ignored. Some conspiracies live on. Jeff Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:19:26 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Re: computer info and advice Oh, and please, if you care to respond, do so off list. Thankyou. Mark "...but as I--we--get older, we are all finding that our conversations must be spoken. A need burns inside us to share with others what we are feeling. Beyond a certain age, sincerity ceases to be pornographic. It is as though the coolness that marked our youth is itself a type of retrovirus that can only leave you feeling empty. Full of holes." Douglas Coupland _Life After God_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:26:54 -0500 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] Patrick Nagel lives on Mark writes: >I equate his music to the art of Patrick >Nagel. I detest it, but they are doing what they love and making a living at >it, so more power to them. Just don't ask me to hang a Nagel print in my >house, or put on a DM CD. Funny you should mention Nagel. I think the guy's been dead for over a fifteen years, but he seems to have found immortality of a sort: I see his work often, but *always* in the windows of Manicure boutiques. Makes perfect sense, doesn't it? Rick - -- "If you die, you do so at your own risk" ******Neil Hannon, "Note to self"****** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:53:17 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: [loud-fans] The soul-imperiling evil of Harry Potter The CAP review of Harry Potter is kind of disappointing, but it provided the link to this: http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/HP-Movie.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:52:30 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Patrick Nagel lives on In a message dated 11/26/01 12:27:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, gasp@aga.ca writes: > Funny you should mention Nagel. I think the guy's been dead for over > a fifteen years, Yeah, I realized after I wrote that I had the nagging feeling he was dead, but I wasn't sure. I've never heard anything about the guy's private life/bio; we didn't cover him in the survey art courses I took in college. It's not like I have a burning desire to find out such things about Nagel, but thanks for clueing me in. Sadly, I DO realize that my two fave artists are dead. Andy Warhol and Keith Haring. The pride of my framed art collection is a print of Elvis I and II by Warhol as a promotional poster for an art show by the Whitney Museum that ran last year. I saw a pop art exhibition on tour from the Whitney museum last year when it came to SC. I had to drive two hours, but it was worth it. I finally got to see a real Warhol, and that was quite a thrill (they wouldn't let me take pictures, < sigh>) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:55:04 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Patrick Nagel lives on In a message dated 11/26/01 12:52:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, Vivebonpop writes: > . I saw a pop art exhibition on tour from the Whitney museum last year Actually it was early this year. Warhol's work was bigger than I thought it would be. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:16:53 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] amusing... http://www.meangene.com/darwin/ Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:57:58 -0600 From: Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] computer info and advice/DM (not Depeche Mode)/Kilbey and entropy Hey Mark, You might want to try gemm.com for a replacement copy. Several of their dealers seem to currently have this in stock (For about $20-$30 though). I would stick to a dealer with a high rating and make sure it is in stock... Wes Vivebonpop@aol .com To: loud-fans@smoe.org (doing shadowpuppets in Joni's room) Sent by: cc: owner-loud-fan Subject: [loud-fans] computer info and advice/DM (not Depeche s@smoe.org Mode)/Kilbey and entropy 11/25/01 11:26 PM C Kilbey and entropy: I sadly discovered today that my CD of "Unearthed" has a top of the disc scratch on it that makes "Out of This World" skip. ARRRRGHHH!!! (pretty ugly, pretty sad) I have no clue how this happened. Another Enigma CD of mine screwed up (the first being the innocent slaughter of "Tinkers" last year). I've played this album I'm sure hundreds of times over the years. It is a perennial favorite. I looked on e-bay and half.com and no luck. The weird thing is that at the bottom of the page of the Kilbey titles offered on e-bay there was a listing for Game Theory's "Two Steps From the Middle Ages" CD for $8.50. Weird. Like peanut butter and chocolate.... Mark, who needs a real job, so he can afford a CD burner to save all his out of print CDs from "the fearsome effects of entropy" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:41:29 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Hamlinesque (From a September 28 letter sent by Mark Heath, head of legal services of the city council in Southampton, England to a tree on the University of Southampton campus. The letter was taped to the trunk of the tree, in what the council called a "standard legalistic device.") The Tree University of Southampton University Road Southampton Dear The Tree, THIS IS A FORMAL NOTICE to let you know that on 25 September 2001 the council made a Tree Preservation Order. In simple terms, it prohibits anyone from cutting down, topping, or lopping any of the trees shown on the map in the order wihtout the council's consent. Some explanatory guidance on Tree Preservation orders is given in the enclosed leaflet, "Protected Trees: A Guide to Tree Preservation Orders." The Order took effect, on a provisional basis, on 25 September 2001. It will continue in force on this basis for a further six months, or until the Order is confirmed by the council, whichever occurs first. If you would like to make any objections or other comments, please make sure we receive them in writing by 31 October 2001. Your comments must comply with regulation four of the Town and Country Planning (Trees) Regulations 1999. All valid objections or representations are carefully considered before a decision on whether to confirm the Order is made. The countil will write to you again when that decision has been made. In the meantime, if you would like any further information or have any questions about this letter, please contact Mr. R. Felton. Yours faithfully, Mark Heath - ------------------ from the December 2001 issue of _Harper's_ - which also contains a surprising item of (I hope intentional) humor by Secretary of the Interior Norton, dating from her tenure in the department's conservation and wildlife program, explaining why the request of an Indian tribe for endangered species status must be denied. I particularly liked the reference to "loss of habitat following a dietary change influenced by interaction with a local reptile." Yours contentlessly, Jeff Norman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:47:52 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Mercury tonight (ns) Mercury Rev are on the Late Late Show with Craig Kilborn tonight. I like their new album, and may even go ga ga over it in the future, when I'm more in the mood for lush orchestral stuff. - --dana, who had no idea that Ringers Lactate was anything but a record label until yesterday. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:07:26 -0600 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hamlinesque Jeff Norman, contentlessly: > from the December 2001 issue of _Harper's_ - which also contains a > surprising item of (I hope intentional) humor by Secretary of the Interior > Norton, dating from her tenure in the department's conservation and > wildlife program, explaining why the request of an Indian tribe for > endangered species status must be denied. I particularly liked the > reference to "loss of habitat following a dietary change influenced by > interaction with a local reptile." Is there any legislation in the U.S. that protects "endangered" peoples, indigenous or otherwise? Seems logical to me.... Chris Wondering how people would react to a "Save the Young African-American Urban Dwelling Lower Income Males" bumper sticker. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:09:38 -0500 From: Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] The soul-imperiling evil of Harry Potter The second paragraph mentions the "Armor of God" and has a link to a page that describes what this term refers to: The belt of truth The breastplate of righteousness The sandals of peace The shield of faith The helmet of salvation The sword of the spirit War-drobe impaired, -julianne I think a pair of sandals of peace would look great with my new capri pants! > -----Original Message----- > From: glenn mcdonald [mailto:glenn@furia.com] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 9:53 AM > To: LoudFans > Subject: [loud-fans] The soul-imperiling evil of Harry Potter > > > The CAP review of Harry Potter is kind of disappointing, but > it provided the > link to this: > > http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/HP-Movie.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:47:18 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hamlinesque On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Chris Prew contentedly wrote: > Is there any legislation in the U.S. that protects "endangered" peoples, > indigenous or otherwise? Seems logical to me.... Well, one serious point that might be drawn here is that unlike species, which have a distinct, biological differentiation and specificity (nearly the same word, of course), humans are just people: everything else is not essential (that is, biological) but cultural. That certainly doesn't diminish the importance of those things - but it does mean that no clear dividing lines can be drawn outlining who's included in any given grouping of people and who isn't. Who counts as "black," for example? Most Americans (to take one example) are hopelessly muttish in terms of their ancestry, esp. those descending from populations which were forcibly brought here, forcibly removed from their original residency here, or whose ancestral populations underwent similar upheavals or which simply mixed freely with other groups. I recall an interesting interview w/Suzanne Vega some years back (feel free to jump off from this non-musical discussion to a musical one) in which she described her disappointment at discovering that she had been adopted and was not, by "blood" anyway, the Latino American she had become quite proud of being as a teen. And yet, having grown up w/in a variety of that culture, she was - in all other senses - nearly as much a part of it as anyone who belonged to it by "blood." (I think this was in _Option_ magazine - probably seven, eight years back.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, whose sharkskin suit is really made out of sack J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::crumple zones:::::harmful or fatal if swallowed:::::small-craft warning:: np: Pinback (s/t, i think) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:29:45 -0600 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mercury tonight (ns) dana signs: - --dana, who had no idea that Ringers Lactate was anything but a record label until yesterday. <><><><><><><><><> You must never have watched "Emergency" in your youth, then. Dr. Brackett shot nearly as many people up with that stuff as Dr. Roberts did with "vitamins". my friend works for the National Health, - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:45:25 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] XTC? Is this thing on? Anyway, it occurs to me that I haven't heard much re XTC lately. Any word? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::crumple zones:::::harmful or fatal if swallowed:::::small-craft warning:: np: Bows _Cassidy_ - --part of last weekend's haul at Used Kids in Columbus, OH while visiting the I-Ds. Includes also: Apples in Stereo _Let's Go!_ Beatnik Filmstars _In Hospitalable_ Bowery Electric _Lushlife_ Joe Henry _Scar_ Jason & the Scorchers _A Blazing Grace_ (Miles was with us - who could have guessed?) Chris Knox _Yes!!_ Daniel Lanois _For the Beauty of Wynona_ (special "America Fears Nipples" edition) Mercury Rev _All Is Dream_ The Moles _Instinct_ Owsley s/t Quasi _The Sword of God_ Rock*a*Teens (first s/t) Saint Etienne _Sound of Water_ Sloan _Between the Bridges_ Sonic Youth _SYR2_ Wolf Colonel _The Castle_ Discuss. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:56:28 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Buy Nothing Day misplaced? http://www.snopes2.com/holidays/christmas/shopping.htm - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"Shut up, you truculent lout, and let the cute little pixie sing!":: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:32:36 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] XTC? On Monday, November 26, 2001, at 11:45 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Anyway, it occurs to me that I haven't heard much re XTC lately. Any > word? Next up should be a box set from Virgin, Coat Of Many Cupboards - > The 4-CD set will consist of one disk of Andy and Colin's favorite XTC > songs, with written commentary from them; one live disk; one disk of > outtakes, alternate versions and rarities; and one disk of the Cream of > the Demo Crop that Andy and Colin have been assembling. Some months after, the Fuzzy Warbles CDs ought to start coming from Idea. The Idea Records website is now up - http://www.xtcidearecords.co.uk/ Andy has written a bunch of songs with the main Apples In Stereo guy, which will mostly show up on the latter's solo album. There's no word on a new XTC album, but there have been hints of new songs here and there. - - Steve __________ Misadvised by a frustrated and panic-stricken attorney general, a president of the United States has just assumed what amounts to dictatorial power to jail or execute aliens. - William Safire ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #320 *******************************