From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #315 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, November 22 2001 Volume 01 : Number 315 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Yojimbo patrol ["Ian Runeckles & Angela] [loud-fans] Re: The digital Edina/Yuji Yuji Doo, where are you?/Thankgiving [Vivebonpop@aol] Re: [loud-fans] Greatest Hits ["Pete O." ] [loud-fans] Flashbacks [Richard Gagnon ] Re: [loud-fans] Flashbacks [Aaron Mandel ] [loud-fans] all I want for xmas, spectrum show (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] [loud-fans] oh, for a Sharples (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] oh, for a Sharples (ns) [John Cooper ] Re: [loud-fans] Greatest Hits [Dan McCarthy ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:40:30 -0000 From: "Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Yojimbo patrol Andy wrote some time back: > I'm no Kurosawa expert, but given that he's widely considered one of > the greatest directors in the history of cinema, I'll venture that > just about anything he lensed is worth seeing. > Anyone else want to chime in with favorites? One of my favourite Kurosawa films is LIVING - it's the story of a local council official who finds out that he's not got long to live and in summing up his life finds that it's been largely wasted. He sets about to rectify this by helping to get the local children a playground by breaking down the beaurocratic barriers that have been blocking its construction. It's one of the most touching films I've seen - I'm not easily reduced to an emotional wreck by a mivie but this one did it. I guess it's about 20 years since I saw it but it's impact on me was remarkable. I can't think of a bad Kurosawa movie - all the samurai ones are excellent, in part due to the wonderful Toshiro Mifune whose facial expressions alone can make a scene. Ian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 03:53:17 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Re: The digital Edina/Yuji Yuji Doo, where are you?/Thankgiving In a message dated 11/21/01 12:52:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, Vivebonpop writes: > It has a bonus disc of extra bits, and there are 15 minutes of outtakes and > all sorts of goodies Correction, there are 45 minutes of outtakes, 15 minutes from each (original) season of the show, and these are on each DVD, not on the bonus disc. Lots of laughs for the buck. M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 06:49:43 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Greatest Hits - --- Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Miles Goosens wrote: > > > (1) Why aren't there CD releases of their enormous and high-quality catalog > > of b-sides and rarities? The *cassette* of STARING AT THE SEA remains a > > better buy than the CD because it's got an album's worth of them, then > > there was THE CARNAGE VISORS, great moody stuff on the FAITH cassette... > > There's a whole boxed set's worth of them just waiting to be gathered or > > used as bonus tracks on reissues. > > Could be record-comapny issues...could be Smith doesn't think they're up > to snuff...could be someone's figuring, "hey - in 2003 or so it'll be the > band's 25th anniversary - let's release a box set!" > > But I speculate wildly. > Not really. The scenario seems to be: (a) Issue recordings on CD exactly as issued on vinyl/cassette/8-track/el-cassette (b) Re-issue recordings on CD after suitably long "out-of-print" period (c) Re-master/re-mix entire catalogue, add "bonus" tracks to each individual disc (d) Issue "definitive" box set consisting of all re-mastered/re-mixed discs, add bonus "live", "unplugged" or "lost" recordings not available elsewhere (e) Allow box set to go out-of-print; issue new box set with tracks rearranged in thematic order, add new "pre-fame" days demos and out-takes "never before available" (f) Re-issue music in next available format (see DVD-Audio, SACD); GOTO (a) QED - - Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:36:49 -0500 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] Flashbacks >Francis wrote: >Thanks for showing me my age! I still remember using VMS MAIL to read thru >Mike Breen's stuff when I was still on Delphi. In 1995. Aw, it's nothing. Besides, there's still folks on the list (hi Julianne!) who, last I heard, were still using Pine. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Simple and stable. Whatever happened to *that*? Rog then came through in a big way, then cautioned: >You just have to wander through lots of posts from other people too. I >believe the infamous 20-Mike-messages-in-a-row day is in the second >file. Forgive the format - I wasn't yet real hip to e-mail programs back >in 1994. Thanks so very much, Rog! You're (as always) a public treasure. Like Steve says, it's great to go back and treasure these memories. Plus, we don't really want to alienate the later arrivals to the list when we make all those references to the dear and not-so-dear departed former listmembers...I was hoping we could scrounge up a specific example, and well, we have it! All warm and fuzzy from the dryer, and awaiting the "best of Randy Peppler". Rick - -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:53:09 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Flashbacks On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Richard Gagnon wrote: > Aw, it's nothing. Besides, there's still folks on the list (hi > Julianne!) who, last I heard, were still using Pine. Not that there's > anything wrong with that. Simple and stable. You're making me feel weird, Rick. As I was saying to glenn recently, I must be one of the least dogmatic Unix-only users on the planet. I don't know anything about Windows or Macs because I've never owned one, nor used one beyond running SSH and Word on Macs in the computer lab when I was an undergrad. Graphical email clients (yes, I know there exist a few for Unix) still strike me as weird and baroque, but, well, whatever. I can muster up a little Unix supremacism if I try, but I just as often figure the rest of the world does all this cool stuff I'm not privy to. At least, this was the case until a week ago, when I got my first personal computer ever (if you don't count the 486 we found in the trash, which sits in the living room and runs SSH so we can log in from home): an iBook. It's kind of neat. But I still think the command line is the way to go. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:20:34 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] all I want for xmas, spectrum show (ns) Finally, someone has come up with a way to banish the nerve wracking and backbreaking work of picking up CDs and putting them into the player. I don't know about y'all, but there've been so many times that I've tried to pick up a CD and accidentally crushed it with my bare hands. Thank god for this little product, which I hope to find in my stocking: http://www.dwr.com/productdetail.cfm?id=1289 And in case anyone's wondering, the Spectrum show last night was great. I had despaired of ever actually hearing any of Spacemen 3's stuff live, so it was a real treat to finally get the chance. The sound could have been louder, and I wouldn't have minded a longer set, but Sonic Boom hit all of the major tunes: Transparent Radiation, When Tomorrow Hits, Revolution and the extended version of Suicide were the highlights. After the show, I saw Dean Wareham chatting with Mr. Boom, and I got my copy of Sonic's "Spectrum" CD signed -- my first autograph since I was about twelve years old. Well, I had Annette Peacock sign some stuff, but it was for friends, so that doesn't count. Thanks to JRT for the concert heads up. Apparently Sonic canceled his WFMU appearance yesterday, in case anyone was trying to find it. Oh, and the Swirlies stunk, as usual. A passable version of "San Cristobal de las Casas" was about the only thing worth mentioning. They seem to be all male these days, meaning that there's nothing covering up the fact that Damon can't sing on key. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:25:50 -0800 From: "Brandon J. Carder" Subject: Fw: [loud-fans] all I want for xmas, spectrum show (ns) - ----- Original Message ----- > > Finally, someone has come up with a way to banish the nerve wracking and > > backbreaking work of picking up CDs and putting them into the player. I > > don't know about y'all, but there've been so many times that I've tried > > to pick up a CD and accidentally crushed it with my bare hands. Thank > > god for this little product, which I hope to find in my stocking: > > > > http://www.dwr.com/productdetail.cfm?id=1289 Wow! Something like this for records might actually be useful. CDs get all the cool (and totally useless) stuff, I mean no one ever came out with three inch vinyl. How about skip suppression? Holding out for the hundred LP changer for my trunk, bjc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:35:39 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: [loud-fans] all I want for xmas, spectrum show (ns) In a message dated 11/21/01 9:40:59 AM, brandon@cypresshouse.com writes: << Wow! Something like this for records might actually be useful. CDs get all the cool (and totally useless) stuff, I mean no one ever came out with three inch vinyl. >> Boyracer came out with the CD-sized vinyl, and it looks neat enough that I've held on to it despite Boyracer being a really bad band. Reserve some doubts about Soundtrack of Our Lives, too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:09:56 -0600 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] soundtrack? doug asks: i just got the latest promo email from the folks at parasol where all their staffers listed their favorite records of the year. lots predictable things (ken stringfellow, etc.) but what struck me is that almost everyone went gaga, most of them listing it at #1,over a record by "soundtrack of our lives" called i guess "behind the music." i might have that backwards. i've never heard of it, obviously. i take parasol hype with heaps of salt, but i'm a little curious. anyone here heard this beastie? is it interesting/competently played/recorded? <><><><><><><><><><> There are a couple former members of Union Carbide Productions, who were an amazing live band who never really made a decent record, in that band. I've only heard a couple of their (Soundtrack Of Our Lives') songs, on a disc included as a promo in an old issue of Ugly Things, which songs failed to grab me. - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:20:55 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] soundtrack (ns) i just got the latest promo email from the folks at parasol where all their staffers listed their favorite records of the year. lots predictable things (ken stringfellow, etc.) but what struck me is that almost everyone went gaga, most of them listing it at #1,over a record by "soundtrack of our lives" called i guess "behind the music." i might have that backwards. >>>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid that this doesn't really answer the question, but my two cents are: much as I love parasol and all, I find that their taste seems to run to the insipid, and at this point I just ignore their reviews. It's probably worth noting the artists who *don't* appear in the top 10s, to get an idea of just how limited they are. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:16:21 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] oh, for a Sharples (ns) If only Sharples could see this eBay item, which includes (viewable to all) the note detailing the destruction of the Beatles' butcher covers. Kind of interesting. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1487830098 Just goes to show you that if you've got something to destroy, don't bury it in a swampy part of the town dump. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:48:42 -0800 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] oh, for a Sharples (ns) The current bid is $2,325. It includes a mint-condition, shrink-wrapped butcher sleeve (no record) that was apparently preserved by the manager in charge of destroying them in such a way that "rescue" by collectors would be impossible. As far as I know he succeeded, since I've never seen a butcher cover that wasn't uncovered by steaming. CAPITOL RECORDS MEMO Date: June 28, 1966 To: R. L. Howe Office: National Distribution Manager Dear Bob: This memo will certify that the destruction of 50,700 T2553, Beatles jackets, was completed on Monday, June 27, 1966. About 35,000 were destroyed on Friday, June 24, and the balance on Monday. Destruction was accomplished by having a hole dug by a clam shovel in a swampy part of the [obscured] Town Dump. By the time the hole was ready for us it had filled with water. The jackets were dumped on the ground as close as possible to the hole and then a bulldozer pushed the jackets into the hole. The hole was then covered with about one to two feet of dirt and will subsequently be covered with garbage which will be well compacted as time goes by. The supervisor of the Town Dump has promised that there will be absolutely no digging of any sort at the burial site and I will make checks from time to time to see that these instructions are followed. If you desire any further information with respect to this matter, please let me know. Amen! Cordially, On 11/21/01, Dana L Paoli wrote: >If only Sharples could see this eBay item, which includes (viewable to >all) the note detailing the destruction of the Beatles' butcher covers. >Kind of interesting. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1487830098 > >Just goes to show you that if you've got something to destroy, don't bury >it in a swampy part of the town dump. > >--dana >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:18:36 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Flashbacks On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Richard Gagnon wrote: > > > Julianne!) who, last I heard, were still using Pine. Not that there's > > anything wrong with that. Simple and stable. > > You're making me feel weird, Rick. > > As I was saying to glenn recently, I must be one of the least dogmatic > Unix-only users on the planet. I don't know anything about Windows or Macs I don't think I'm dogmatic and I run GUI environments of various flavors to do development work, but I continue to see three critical advantages to text-only e-mail on a remote server running PINE, or the like: 1, no viruses or other undesirable 'payloads' (like porn windows opening up all over the screen, or animated, &/or user-information gathering, ads); 2, my physical location is virtually irrelevant to my ability to access my mail; 3, my personal communications are invisible to my employers (and also don't tie up my employers' resources) I continue to not see any significant DISadvantages. i can download pictures if i really want to; but usually i don't bother. - -- d., using PINE right now. (and also endorsing PuTTY) - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:20:27 -0500 From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Greatest Hits >(1) Why aren't there CD releases of their enormous and high-quality >catalog of b-sides and rarities? The *cassette* of STARING AT THE SEA >remains a better buy than the CD because it's got an album's worth of >them, then there was THE CARNAGE VISORS, great moody stuff on the FAITH >cassette... There's a whole boxed set's worth of them just waiting to be >gathered or used as bonus tracks on reissues. Robert Smith has mentioned before that subsequent to the pressing of Bloodflowers (which apparently ended his contract with his former label), he wants to self-release a Complete B-Sides compendium "for the fans". Of particular interest to me were his comments on other stuff that might make the 3-disc (!!) set, including some amusing studio conversation between the three of them during the Pornography sessions (I forget where I read this, but he said he had a great recording from the studio where he says "1... 2... 3... 4" and they all start playing different songs. Classic documentation of a band that's falling out with each other). On the subject of B-sides, the Cure is one of those rare bands whose B-sides sometimes, in my mind, surpass their singles. Of particular note to me are the B-sides from singles from the Wish album: "This Twilight Garden"; "Halo"; "Scared as You" are all fantastic. (the other) Dan ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #315 *******************************