From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #311 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, November 19 2001 Volume 01 : Number 311 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Lynne Cheney/Political Correctness [JRT456@aol.com] [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Buffy patrol [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Buffy patrol [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] sauce (ns) [LeftyZ@aol.com] [loud-fans] Hallelujah synchronicities [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Buffy patrol [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Buffy patrol [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Buffy patrol [jenny grover > The professor seems to be finished, but anyone looking for extra credit will find seven opportunities to determine what the definiton of "is" is...including several times within the definition of a same paragraph. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:52:46 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Buffy patrol On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Roger Winston wrote: > Hey Jeff, why does JRT hate you so much?? He's really got it in for you, > even more than for Stewart. And I don't think it's just because of the > political differences. Now you don't really want me to start psychoanalyzing him, do you? I think it's the "professor" thing, and that I'm unapologetic about my geeky tendencies while not rotting away masturbating to images of elves in flowing white gowns...I dunno. I think he's a geek who's afraid to admit it...although that doesn't begin to express the depths of his fucked-upness. - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:09:04 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Buffy patrol > Hey Jeff, why does JRT hate you so much?? I find JRT's comments a lot easier to understand if I imagine that he is Philip Seymour Hoffman's character in _Happiness_ wishing he were Jack Black's character in _Shallow Hall_ wishing he were Jack Black's character in _High Fidelity_. In fact, I've yet to hear any *other* explanation that accounts for his continued presence on a list he pretends to disdain. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:21:53 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Buffy patrol Don't forget to make fun of me for being a stupid Christian. Some on the list would give me a pass, though, if I was the right color and met the standards for what they carefully refer to as "cultural differences." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:02:16 -0500 From: David A Seldin Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Buffy patrol My belief is that he is here to piss people off, a pastime that is so perverse I can't begin to understand why someone would devote energy to it. After my last conflict with him (a year or two back), I resolved to have nothing to do with him. He still infuriates me with his aggro right-wing paranoia, but I learned my lesson. My advice is that everyone else do the same. If everyone ignored him, he would probably go away and bother some other list. David On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:09:04 -0500 "glenn mcdonald" writes: > > Hey Jeff, why does JRT hate you so much?? > > I find JRT's comments a lot easier to understand if I imagine that > he is > Philip Seymour Hoffman's character in _Happiness_ wishing he were > Jack > Black's character in _Shallow Hall_ wishing he were Jack Black's > character in _High Fidelity_. In fact, I've yet to hear any *other* > explanation that accounts for his continued presence on a list he > pretends to disdain. > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:03:48 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] sauce (ns) I think that I may have perfected the process of jazzing up jarred spaghetti sauce last night, which was pretty exciting. The recipe, as it seems likely to stay: One Jar of Barilla Sauce, which has too much salt but such is life One can of that expensive Italian Tuna Three dried Shiitake mushrooms Two cloves of garlic Sugar to taste A handful of Jerusalem artichokes, boiled till semi-soft and sliced 1/4" thick Capers (optional -- depends on if you want zing or not) Bring water to a boil. Add the Shiitake mushrooms right before it boils, and remove them when they're soft and the water is boiling. Add the pasta, and cook it to taste. Meanwhile, in another pan, combine the spaghetti sauce (Barilla Marinara seems to make a good base), the garlic (crushed), a little bit of sugar, and the tuna (drain off some, but not all, of the olive oil from the tuna). Cut the Shiitake mushrooms into strips and add them to the sauce. If you like capers, add those as well. Add the Jerusalem Artichokes last. When the sauce is warm, put it on the pasta and eat. Sadly, that expensive Italian Tuna really does taste better, but $3/can isn't really all that much in the grand scheme of things. Recipe serves two, using about 3/4 of the jar of sauce and 3/4 can of tuna. Give the rest of the tuna to your cats. Serve with a martini made with a tomolive. Yum. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:16:03 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Buffy patrol After my last conflict with him (a year or two back), I resolved to have nothing to do with him. He still infuriates me with his aggro right-wing paranoia, but I learned my lesson. My advice is that everyone else do the same. If everyone ignored him, he would probably go away and bother some other list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ignoring him hasn't worked yet. I'm afraid that desparate measures are called for: I propose that we leave him out of the next Buggaloos tape tree. Take that, you monster!! - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:55:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jer Fairall Subject: [loud-fans] chat I'll be hanging out in the suddenly-functional-again irc.eskimo.com #loudfans room if anyone wants to come by. Jer Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:24:03 EST From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] sauce (ns) In a message dated 11/18/01 3:08:38 PM, dana-boy@juno.com writes: << I think that I may have perfected the process of jazzing up jarred spaghetti sauce last night, which was pretty exciting. The recipe, as it seems likely to stay: . . . Recipe serves two, using about 3/4 of the jar of sauce and 3/4 can of tuna. Give the rest of the tuna to your cats. Serve with a martini made with a tomolive. Yum. >> Sound delicious....... ....but, the obvious question...... do you deliver? Left ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:49:47 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] Hallelujah synchronicities Okay, bear with me, since this gets a little involved. I wanted to mention a strange musical coincidence that happened to me this week. It started out when I was listening to the new all-covers Tori Amos CD, STRANGE LITTLE GIRLS, for the first time. The Tom Wait song, Time, came on and I thought, "Oh cool - she's doing a Leonard Cohen song!" And then I read the liner notes and saw that it was a Tom Waits song. This got me in the mood for Leonard, so I pulled out I'M YOUR FAN, which is my favorite tribute album of all time. I like to listen to it once a year or so, but hadn't brought it out for awhile. As I looked at the track lineup, I saw that John Cale's version of Hallelujah closes out the record. This jogged the few brain cells I had left that have not been destroyed by alcohol, and I flashed back to sitting in a movie theater last summer, hearing this song. I remembered it was in the movie SHREK. At the time, I was blown away that such a song would appear in such a movie, and was filled with awe and respect for the filmmakers. But of course, after the movie was over, I had totally forgotten about it until now. So, I then pulled out the SHREK DVD to verify that Hallelujah was indeed in the movie and that it was the John Cale version from I'M YOUR FAN. Yep and yep. "Far out", I proclaimed, bathed in the glow of discovery. Okay, so they did cut out more than a few verses, including the one about being tied to a kitchen chair, but still... Flash forward to this morning. I was eating my bowl of Special K (with Fat Free Milk and Equal) and my half grapefruit (also sweetened with Equal) and reading the morning Denver Post/Rocky Mountain News merged JOA mega-newspaper. On the front page of the Arts & Entertainment section, there's a WHOLE FREAKIN' ARTICLE ABOUT THE FREAKIN' SONG: http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1002,78%257E226587,00.html This has to be the most in-depth article in the newspaper I've ever read about a single song. Wild. I had no idea that they didn't include the John Cale version on the SHREK soundtrack CD and instead had RufusWainwrong@aol.com record yet another version just for that. What's up with that? Ah well, at least they didn't use the Bono version from TOWER OF SONG. Ick. Later. --Rog (still unable to remember what I was listening to in high school) - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:00:54 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Buffy patrol At Sunday 11/18/2001 06:02 PM -0500, David A Seldin wrote: >My belief is that he is here to piss people off, a pastime that is so >perverse I can't begin to understand why someone would devote energy to >it. > >After my last conflict with him (a year or two back), I resolved to have >nothing to do with him. He still infuriates me with his aggro right-wing >paranoia, but I learned my lesson. My advice is that everyone else do >the same. If everyone ignored him, he would probably go away and bother >some other list. Though this is a heretical view, and I'm sure he doesn't need or want me to stick up for him, I would be somewhat bummed if JRT were not here. Every group needs a pariah, and sadly, Mark doesn't quite fit the bill. JRT keeps this List from being a *total* love-fest, which to me is as boring as the political discussions (which, perversely, he is usually partially responsible for). And he has done me a few favors over the years - I bet I'm not the only one. Yes, the price we pay is steep. I just want to know what the deal is between him and Jeff... And...oh yeah...I throw kittens in lakes. Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:08:27 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Buffy patrol >Every >group needs a pariah... Now, see, we call ourselves a Scott Miller mailing list and we can't even be bothered to read his favorite author? I'd read the damn thing myself, but the library doesn't have it, Andy "Quit touching it Liz, it'll stay awake forever." - --immortal conversation from Rey Young's party a couple months back, with regards to the animatronic Shelby, a close personal friend of Furby ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:28:43 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] Too small for the skins? >The first Chris sucked. The second one was much cooler, though it is a >mystery to me being a drummer that the show's creators would think that a >pre-teen boy would have the motor skills to pound out harpsicord drenched >three minute pop songs on the skins. Whatever. Harpsichords I can't speak to my good man, but authentic examples of pre-teen drummers include but are not limited to: Sylvester Stewart (later Sly Stone), age five, on the Stewart Four's "On The Battlefield For My Lord"; and Denardo Coleman, age ten, on Ornette Coleman's EMPTY FOXHOLE. Keeping the ducks and drakes circulating, Andy "It is said that one should be willing to scrutinize a teacher for as long as twelve years to ensure that he or she is qualified. I don't think that this is time wasted. On the contrary, the more clearly we come to see the qualities of a teacher, the more valuable he or she is to us. If we are hasty and devote ourselves to someone unqualified, the results are often disastrous. So, take time to scrutinize your potential teachers, be they Buddhist or of some other faith." - --The Dalai Lama, from AN OPEN HEART: PRACTICING COMPASSION IN EVERYDAY LIFE, edited by Nicholas Vreeland ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:17:03 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Buffy patrol On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Roger Winston wrote: > And...oh yeah...I throw kittens in lakes. Yeah - but you're such a wimp you don't bother to first fill in the holes in the bricks you tie around their necks. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::flag on the moon...how'd it get there?:: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:31:35 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Buffy patrol David A Seldin wrote: > > My belief is that he is here to piss people off, a pastime that is so > perverse I can't begin to understand why someone would devote energy to > it. > > After my last conflict with him (a year or two back), I resolved to have > nothing to do with him. He still infuriates me with his aggro right-wing > paranoia, but I learned my lesson. My advice is that everyone else do > the same. If everyone ignored him, he would probably go away and bother > some other list. The lesson is simple. If you see a flaming bag of poop on your stoop, don't stomp on it unless you want a bigger, smellier mess. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:43:48 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] 2001 Dolties We need another awards show like we need holes in our head, right? Well, the Dolties honor the stupidest people of the year - so yeah, holes in the head would probably be appropriate. Anyway: 1st prize: the guy at the Atlanta airport who, having forgotten his camera gear and fearing he'd be late for a flight to a college football game, decided it would be a useful thing to do an OJ past security - thereby tying up the airport for half the day, and delaying countless flights into Atlanta. You think he made his game? 2nd prize: the other guy at the Atlanta airport, who, when interviewed about those delays, smugly noted that if America's airlines want to regain the confidence of travelers like him, they shouldn't inconvenience him with such nettlesome security requirements as making sure Sport Guy hadn't planted a bomb, sprayed anthrax into the sugar at the Starbucks stand, or been a distraction from someone doing either of those things. Any challengers? Otherwise, I say we award the Dolties now. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:05:52 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Buffy patrol In a message dated 11/18/01 8:31:04 PM, sleeveless@citynet.net writes, in a particularly cruel reference involving myself: << The lesson is simple. If you see a flaming bag of poop on your stoop, don't stomp on it unless you want a bigger, smellier mess. >> According to my e-mail archives, this same person recently sent me an off-list note encouraging me to keep posting for as long as I had something to say about events being discussed on the list. I get a lot of those, but I'm thinking there's some kind of "Yojimbo" thing going on with this one. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:43:05 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Buffy patrol JRT456@aol.com wrote: > > According to my e-mail archives, this same person recently sent me an > off-list note encouraging me to keep posting for as long as I had something > to say about events being discussed on the list. Yes, this is true, because he emailed me some useful and telling information that I felt other people might have been interested in also, but said he wasn't going to post it because he felt he had been posting too much. I told him that posting too much shouldn't be a concern if he had something to contribute. > I get a lot of those, but > I'm thinking there's some kind of "Yojimbo" thing going on with this one. As I emailed JRT tonight, 1) I don't know what Yojimbo is and 2) I meant this advice to be applied to any post by anyone that seems hateful or just out to bait people, and not toward anyone exclusively. I have no personal vendetta against JRT and I'm sorry if my post came off that way. There seems to be a bit of sniping, trolling, and baiting from time to time on this list, or remarks that attempt to upset a particular person publicly just for the sake of upsetting him/her to get an impassioned reaction, and I think when that happens that the recipient needs to just recognize it for what it is and not make things worse by getting all caught up in it. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:49:35 -0800 From: "West Moran" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Buffy patrol - ----- Original Message ----- From: "jenny grover" Cc: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Buffy patrol > As I emailed JRT tonight, 1) I don't know what Yojimbo is "Yojimbo" is a movie directed by Akira Kurosawa in 1961. It concerns a masterless samurai who walks into a town with two equally evil clans fighting it out, and methodically sets out to help both sides exterminate each other. It was remade by Sergio Leone as "A Fistful Of Dollars", and remade again as some crummy Bruce Willis picture. It's a comedy, by the way. Your man with no name, West. "No cure for fools." --Toshiro Mifune, "Yojimbo" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 02:16:37 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: geek squad on Buffy patrol West Moran wrote: > "Yojimbo" is a movie directed by Akira Kurosawa in 1961. It concerns a > masterless samurai who walks into a town with two equally evil clans > fighting it out, and methodically sets out to help both sides exterminate > each other. It was remade by Sergio Leone as "A Fistful Of Dollars", and > remade again as some crummy Bruce Willis picture. > > It's a comedy, by the way. Ah, yes. That sounds familiar. So, is it worth seeing (for other than its historical value)? Jen ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #311 *******************************