From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #304 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, November 14 2001 Volume 01 : Number 304 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] new ABFAB?? ["O Geier" ] Re: [loud-fans] Hungry for Pocky? ["Pete O." ] [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! ["O Geier" ] [loud-fans] Poster funnies ["O Geier" ] Re: [loud-fans] 24? [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! [JRT456@aol.com] RE: [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! ["Keegstra, Russell" ] Re: YOUR [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! ["O Geier" ] Re: [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! [Michael Bowen ] Re: [loud-fans] Hell, no, I won't let it go!!! [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! (Special First Anniversary Edition) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Letting go of the Buchanan urban legend.. [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Advisories [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Advisories [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] Advisories [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] Advisories [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] Advisories [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! (Special First Anniversary Edition) [steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] new ABFAB?? It is the original cast, with new episodes. It was pretty funny, over the top, as always. Twiggy appeared, and is very attractive, especially in the epilogue portion. Julia Suwahala must be in her early-mid thirties. No mention of her character's marriage, at least none that I caught. One critique: the lovely Jane Horrocks plays two roles, Bubble and some TV presenter type, and the urge to do a split screen was too much to resist. Why do they do it? It is always a distraction, and isn't really the technical marvel it may have been on Gilligan's Island. Great Star Trek: Next Generation on TNN last night; one I haven't seen: parasites take over several top ranking Federation officials, and attempt to take over Picard back at Starfleet. The lovely Dr. Crusher appears for much of the second half. Do you realize Dr. Crusher and Picard appear seldom together? I mean, they communicate mostly via communicator or intercom. Bay area folks: Where is Starfleet command? Last night, judging from the location of the GG Bridge, it could have been right off the Embarcadero. I'm ignorant, did they ever make a big deal about it's location? Perhaps at the Presidio? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 05:28:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hungry for Pocky? - --- Dan McCarthy wrote: > I lived in Japan for a few years and soon fell in love with Pocky. They've > got all sorts of flavours, not just chocolate-dipped- the strawberry ones > are especially good. They should actually be spelled "Pokey", as the name > is a sort of onomotopeia. > > And this brings to mind the question: Is Superchunk's album "No Pocky for > Kitty" referring to this snack, or is it mere coincidence? > > (the other) Dan > > >If there's a celery shortage this might come in handy - > > > >http://jsnacks.com/main.shtml Ha, ha, ha! Now, all your snacks are belong to us! Ha, ha, ha! - - Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:58:11 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! Cold comfort for us bleeding heart types: http://www.nytimes.com/images/2001/11/12/politics/recount/index.html Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:03:51 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] Poster funnies My daughter, who turns three in one month and I were in Plan 9 records Sunday. They had a great display, 4 posters, Britney, Mandy Moore, Furtado (first name forgotten) and one other teen babe lined up, in a similar pose, all showing a little tummy. The store folks painted each poster's face as a classic Kiss character. My daughter pointed to something on the wall (not sure if it was one of the 'Reservior Dogs' action figures or not), and said 'it scare me'. I picked her up and said, 'Yes, Britney is scary'. My daycare provider asked me when picking her up 'Does she know somebody named Britney that scared her?' Man, kids say the darndest things. She learned 'Who let the dogs out' from a classmate, and drops it in at various times also. Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:19:03 -0500 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 24? > did anyone see, I think it was called "The White Balloon?" An Iranian > film, near the first blush of Iranian film hotness, it's presented > *strictly* in realtime -- it's 90 minutes, with three clock strikes to > ground the action. No crosscuts either -- if I remember right the camera > moves only in ways that a physical object could move. I saw it, but I didn't even notice the real-time aspects. I believe there was cutting, though, even within scenes, wasn't there? - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:42:08 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! I also remain concerned about those poor, innocent Rosenbergs. Meanwhile, here's the story least likely to make the evening news. You might even note that the URL is for an opinions page: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-000090337nov12.story?coll=la%2Dnews%2Dc omment%2Dopinions ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:15:15 -0600 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! >I also remain concerned about those poor, innocent Rosenbergs. Meanwhile, >here's the story least likely to make the evening news. You might even note >that the URL is for an opinions page: >http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-000090337nov12.story?coll=la%2Dnews% 2Dcomment%2Dopinions What a classic piece of misdirection, and timed to compete in the same news cycle as the vote audit. Never mind that we really lost the election, we were discriminated against! From the American Enterprise Institute, no surprise. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:25:35 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] new ABFAB?? [ns] At 12:15 PM 11/13/2001 +0000, O Geier wrote: >It is the original cast, with new episodes. It was pretty funny, over the >top, as always. Twiggy appeared, and is very attractive, especially in the >epilogue portion. Julia Suwahala must be in her early-mid thirties. No >mention of her character's marriage, at least none that I caught. Well, the marriage never actually happened, since Edina broke up the wedding. I taped the first new episode and haven't watched it yet (instead, watched the Titans nearly beat the Ravens on Monday Night Football -- a broadcast worth watching for Dennis Miller's delightfully borderline-obscene riff on soon-to-be-ex Vandy coach Woody "Woodenpecker"), but I'm keeping my hopes in abeyance for now. THE LAST SHOUT was a nice coda after the disappointing Season 3, so I can't help but wonder if they should leave well enough alone. Anyone else notice that THE X-FILES hasn't looked nearly as spiffy since its production moved to L.A.? This goes beyond the loss of the beautiful, varied B.C. scenery; inexplicably, the lighting and makeup also seem to have gone way downhill. I won't even get into the way the straightjacket of the "mythology" plot has circumscribed what used to be a favorite show... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:03:15 -0800 (PST) From: Tiger Reel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] new ABFAB?? > Bay area folks: Where is Starfleet command? Last > night, judging from the > location of the GG Bridge, it could have been right > off the Embarcadero. > I'm ignorant, did they ever make a big deal about > it's location? Perhaps at > the Presidio? although i'm not from the bay area, i had always assumed that starfleet was at the presidio. but, if i'm not mistaken: during the pilot episode of "enterprise" (when i wasn't flinching in disgust), they mention that there is a vulcan embassy or cultural center or something there. Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:09:24 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: YOUR [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! <> Is the 'lie' big, as in <>(King George I), or is it the 'media' that's big? That hasn't been proved one way or the other, and is a typical cop-out going around. By that logic, it's okay if you're taking your dying dog to the vet to be euthenized, he runs in the street, I see him and veer over and hit him? Are you saying that? Lie?? Where? Who? Ohhhhh, you're talking about 'opinions' that are presented IN the media. I guess you're confusing the two. Thank goodness MOST people in favor or the halted recount (myself included) agree with the contention by Vincent Bugliosi: <>, and <> The outrage was and is not confined to Democrats, as has been amply demonstrated (Unless you get all your news from Rush Limbaugh and the 700 Club). The 'victory' seemed unanimously praised by those in King George II's camp, unless you personally know any head-dropped Republicans. Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ----Original Message Follows---- From: JRT456@aol.com To: ocgiii@hotmail.com Subject: Re: YOUR [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:37:23 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [205.188.157.39] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBDBA974F006D4136E80CCDBC9D27ACB31; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:37:37 - -0800 Received: from JRT456@aol.comby imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id i.62.16dba97d (4541) for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:37:23 -0500 (EST) From JRT456@aol.com Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:39:04 -0800 Message-ID: <62.16dba97d.2922a643@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 44 In a message dated 11/13/01 8:15:02 AM, ocgiii@hotmail.com writes: << Thanks for the 'opinion' note, I'd never have guessed it wasn't an objective piece of journalism..... >> The trick is to note that there's not really any opinion contained in the piece. Traditionally, a reporter would follow up and either have a story in the truth, or in the researchers' falsehoods. That's not going to happen with this story...which is a shame, since In truth, the corrupt Florida electoral boards would have kept creating votes for Gore, and he would have easily won by fraudulent means. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:22:03 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: YOUR [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! But wait, there's more.... <> Thanks, it's been hard to get Bush supporters to admit the system was flawed, and that the election is rife with corruption. I guess it's only worth shouting about when you lose. But hell, Bush got in, so they'll shut up, outrages be damned. Looks like big bro' better straighten little bro' out 'bout them corrupt electoral boards. Wowee, to think Katherine Harris really wanted Gore to win to the degree of overseeing a corrupt election. Too bad the court shut her dastardly plan down. Gosh, think she'll admit that she only ACTED like a loyal Republican, licking her chops at a juicy Bush-Administration appointment, or maybe an ambassadorship, or, dare I say it, election to statewide office?? Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org/ - ----Original Message Follows---- From: JRT456@aol.com To: ocgiii@hotmail.com Subject: Re: YOUR [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:37:23 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [205.188.157.39] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBDBA974F006D4136E80CCDBC9D27ACB31; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:37:37 - -0800 Received: from JRT456@aol.comby imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id i.62.16dba97d (4541) for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:37:23 -0500 (EST) From JRT456@aol.com Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:39:04 -0800 Message-ID: <62.16dba97d.2922a643@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 44 In a message dated 11/13/01 8:15:02 AM, ocgiii@hotmail.com writes: << Thanks for the 'opinion' note, I'd never have guessed it wasn't an objective piece of journalism..... >> The trick is to note that there's not really any opinion contained in the piece. Traditionally, a reporter would follow up and either have a story in the truth, or in the researchers' falsehoods. That's not going to happen with this story...which is a shame, since the big media lie in the recount is that Bush would have won without the Supreme Court's intervention. In truth, the corrupt Florida electoral boards would have kept creating votes for Gore, and he would have easily won by fraudulent means. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:26:07 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! >Cold comfort for us bleeding heart types: http://www.nytimes.com/images/2001/11/12/politics/recount/index.html Of further reading interest: http://slate.msn.com/?id=2058603 I'll admit I still don't know what a "lede" is though, Andy Deer forces man to flee office Associated Press  Nov. 12, 2001 BARTONVILLE, Ill.  The superintendent of a foundry had to flee his office through a window after a deer charged at him. Scott Lunsford, 39, was on the phone with his wife Thursday, Nov. 8, when he heard a crash. Minutes later, he saw a buck walk by the open doorway of his office. The deer then turned back and charged into his office. "I told my wife, 'I've got to get out of here, there's a deer in my office,'" he said. Lunsford used a chair to fend off the deer while he searched for a way out. "We went back and forth for a few minutes," he said. Lunsford managed to close his office door, trapping the deer inside, then squeezed through a window to safety. Foundry workers eventually coaxed the animal out. [--from http://espn.go.com/outdoors/general/news/2001/1112/1276985.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:31:13 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: [loud-fans] on a lede At 12:26 PM 11/13/01 -0800, Andrew Hamlin wrote: >I'll admit I still don't know what a "lede" is though lede = opening sentence (sometimes paragraph) of a news story. It's one of the creative misspellings common to old newsroom types, along with graf, hed and sked. S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:43:45 -0500 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! From the story: >The new findings show that African American Republicans who voted in >Florida were in excess of 50 times more likely than the average African >American to have had a ballot declared invalid because it was spoiled. The Heritage Foundation statisticians do not say how they arrived at this figure. I'd be interested myself, since there's no actual correlation between a particular ballot and the race and party of the person who cast that ballot. Hell, even I voted for a couple of Republicans last week. Lies, damned lies, etc. MB At 10:42 AM 11/13/2001 -0500, JRT456@aol.com wrote: >I also remain concerned about those poor, innocent Rosenbergs. Meanwhile, >here's the story least likely to make the evening news. You might even note >that the URL is for an opinions page: > >http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-000090337nov12.story?coll=la%2Dnews%2Dc > >omment%2Dopinions http://www.savemonroe.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:22:19 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] on a lede >lede = opening sentence (sometimes paragraph) of a news story. It's one of >the creative misspellings common to old newsroom types, along with graf, >hed and sked. 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In a message dated 11/13/01 12:44:12 PM, mbowen@frontiernet.net writes: << The Heritage Foundation statisticians do not say how they arrived at this figure [of African American Republicans who voted in Florida being in excess of 50 times more likely than the average African American to have had a ballot declared invalid because it was spoiled]>> The Heritage Foundation cites data from the review of ballots conducted by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago for CNN, The Washington Post, The Chicago Tribune, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Palm Beach Post, The St. Petersburg Times and The Associated Press. The figures on black registered Republicans in Florida likely came from the state's Division of Elections, which attempts to keep track of voters by race. And I wish I knew more people who voted for Republicans last week, instead of people who voted for Mike Bloomberg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:30:04 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, O Geier wrote: > Cold comfort for us bleeding heart types: > http://www.nytimes.com/images/2001/11/12/politics/recount/index.html What this leaves out is, of course, the overvotes and the massive statistical skewing (which all evidence suggests grossly understated the Gore vote) of the "butterfly ballot." Bush seems to realize a small net gain under Gore's scenario (recount undervotes in selected counties) and, if I recall, if undervotes only are recounted throughout the state. Gore realizes enough of a gain to overtake Bush if overcounts with clearly expressed preferences are counted. The net results of all of this: had the ballots in Florida accurately reflected the will of Florida voters, Al Gore would have won the state and hence, the election. Regardless of what the recounts say, the fact remains that the Supreme Court made its decision on factors far other than the merits of the case. This, and the warped, perverse logic of the decision (including the bizarre claim that the case should establish no precedent) should appall even those who voted for Bush. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:59:34 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > The net results of all of this: had the ballots in Florida accurately > reflected the will of Florida voters, Al Gore would have won the state and > hence, the election. I would say that the only real result of all of this is that we've found a hold Our Fathers didn't consider when they framed the constitution. As much as we like to think of an "exact" tally of votes for each candidate, it's really a fiction. The "exact" tallies have their own margin of error like any poll. Usually, the margins are narrow enough (or the electoral vote lopsided enough) that it doesn't matter. In Florida, and so for the election, it did matter. Who won Florida? The answer is that we don't know, and no amount of recounting was ever going to tell us. Let's leave behind the futility of the recounts and deal with the real issue: How do we resolve an election when two candidates statistically (if not literally) tie? - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:12:55 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! In a message dated 11/13/01 3:52:02 PM, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes of the Florida re-re-re-re-recount: <> Many people expected that the media's emphasis would be on the overvotes. As it turns out, even the NY Times was too embarrassed to report that Gore's only chance was in allowing the Democrats to start counting ballots instead of votes. That said, the Orlando Sentinel has finally started to push this angle. They've gotten liberal activist Florida Circuit Judge Terry Lewis (who was overseeing the recount) to say that he was certainly ready to start counting overvotes, even though Gore attorney David Boies had already claimed overvotes didn't exist. The corruption starts at: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-asecresults12111201nov12.s tory?coll=orl%2Dhome%2Dheadlines ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:59:03 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! <> I wouldn't technically call a half million vote difference a tie, but these are trifles. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:11:18 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! (Special First Anniversary Edition) On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Michael Mitton wrote: > Who won Florida? The answer is that we don't know, and no amount of > recounting was ever going to tell us. Let's leave behind the futility of > the recounts and deal with the real issue: How do we resolve an election > when two candidates statistically (if not literally) tie? We have partisan Supreme Court justices come up with an off-the-cuff, lame-ass ruling to ensure the results they desire. Oh - did you mean "how *should* we resolve an election when two candidates statistically (if not literally) tie?" And this just in from Republican Spin Central in NYC: > As it turns out, even the NY Times was too embarrassed to report that > Gore's only chance was in allowing the Democrats to start counting > ballots instead of votes. I may be missing some arcane philosophical issue here...but aren't "votes" the things that "ballots" record? In other words, the only way *to* count votes is to count ballots (or more precisely, to count what each ballot records). So, uh, where's the "corruption"? Michael's point is, at some level, a good one - but let's not make more of this statistical void than we should. Ballots are physical objects, not quantum phenomena that wink in and out of existence. Had there been any actual interest in doing so, to remove any doubt, all Florida ballots should have been counted to determine the intent of each voter as best each ballot could measure. Since it's unlikely that Palm Beach County's weirdness could be resolved solely by statistics (persuasive as the utterly bizarre Buchanan vote might be), those who voted in that county should have been allowed to re-vote. (No new voters should have been allowed.) *That* counting of the votes should have been monitored and agreed-upon - so arguments about disappearing chads and cet. would have no weight. This is true *especially* since (a) Gore carried the popular vote, and the purpose of the Electoral College should not be to disenfranchise the populace; and (b) it just so happened that all this weird voting results took place in a state governed by one candidate's brother. Avoiding even the appearance of suspicion, you see. Instead, on the specious grounds of a "crisis" (I think we now know what a *real* crisis is), any attempt to discover what had gone wrong, and what votes actually were, was run off the rails in a clearly partisan effort which any true Republican should have been ashamed of. That there wasn't such an outcry among Republicans only suggests how far gone that party is. (None of the above should be taken to imply that Democrats aren't singing along w/those Republicans in the very same handbasket...damn, I should never use metaphors after 10pm...) - --Jeff, who was looking forward to the further adventures of Joan and Randy...they should have kept that going another week... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::it's not your meat:: __Mr. Toad__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:39:05 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Music that you can bank to RBC Centura Bank is using Luna's "California (All the Way)" in their commercial. RBC just acquired the insurance company I used to toil at a decade ago. I drove by the other week on the day they changed the sign outside, and the new execs (all Van Dyked and youngish) were shaking hands for photos. Wonder if they fired the blue haired old ladies that worked in Policy Issue. Seduced into buying their stupid cola, Mark np Toothpaste 2000 "The Death of the Italian Film Star (A Pop Opera)" disc 1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:57:06 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! (Special First Anniversary Edition) In a message dated 11/13/01 8:12:44 PM, jenor@csd.uwm.edu ponders the difference between votes and ballots: << I may be missing some arcane philosophical issue here...but aren't "votes" the things that "ballots" record? In other words, the only way *to* count votes is to count ballots (or more precisely, to count what each ballot records). So, uh, where's the "corruption"? >> As explained by the right-wing fanatics at the NY Times: "In many places, supervisors found it difficult to find all the ballots that were uncounted on election night, even by running them through the machines. The problem was worst in punch-card counties, as chads dislodged and undervotes suddenly disappeared. Even in optical-scan counties, though, supervisors were often unable to exactly replicate the undervotes and overvotes from the election." Which is to say, ballots grow unreliable with every recount...and, as demonstrated by the actions of the Florida Supreme Court and the state's Democratic machine, those ballots would keep being counted until they became unreliable in favor of Gore. Still, I give the Dems credit for frequent judicial rulings which refused to go along with media hype about alleged Republican wrongdoings. And while the NY Times do their best to cover up the way military ballots were buried by the Dems, let's also give them credit for this opening paragraph, which might spare us future lamenting about the Supreme Court decision: "A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward. Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court. Even under the strategy that Mr. Gore pursued at the beginning of the Florida standoff b filing suit to force hand recounts in four predominantly Democratic counties b Mr. Bush would have kept his lead, according to the ballot review conducted for a consortium of news organizations." Now if we could only figure how the Dems got out 110% of the vote in Philadelphia.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:16:58 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Music that you can bank to At 11:39 PM 11/13/2001 -0500, Vivebonpop@aol.com wrote: >RBC Centura Bank is using Luna's "California (All the Way)" in their >commercial. RBC just acquired the insurance company I used to toil at a >decade ago. I drove by the other week on the day they changed the sign >outside, and the new execs (all Van Dyked and youngish) I prefer my bankers Bruegeled, but you never know which way these mergers will go. Yesterday during lunch at O'Charleys, I heard Scott Miller's "Loving That Girl," which was a very cool thing. later, Miles np: Dome, YCLEPT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:09:32 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: [loud-fans] Advisories 1. _Amelie_ is wonderful. 2. I have just watched _Yi Yi_ twice more, having finally bought a DVD player, and am now willing to say it is one of my two favorite movies, period. If you haven't seen it, I suggest a rental. (And while renting, why not also get _Drowning by Numbers_, my other favorite, and become doubly enraged at my tastes?) 3. _Monty Python and the Holy Grail_ is still very funny. 4. JRT is still a prick. 5. I *told* you Jewel still had some good records in her. glenn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:24:18 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Letting go of the Buchanan urban legend.. Here's a fun URL for statisticians to debate, if the chart links are all still working: http://www.andersoneconomicgroup.com/elections/stat_FL_Palm%20Beach.htm It'll help to keep these fun facts in mind, which somebody should have explained to Pat Buchanan before he made his grandstanding in support of Gore: In Palm Beach County, Buchanan received 3,407 votes, which is 1% of the vote. That's pretty reasonable for a county that has 14,551 registered members of the Independent Party. In fact, that's easily the highest Independent registration in a Florida county. It would be weird if there wasn't a Buchanan spike. Still, let's concede that a Democrat came up with the butterfly ballot, and that the people of Palm Beach are so stupid that they probably still can't figure out why their maids just can't go to the polls for them. They have a great Goodwill store, though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:36:57 EST From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Advisories In a message dated 11/13/01 9:09:50 PM, glenn@furia.com advises: << 3. _Monty Python and the Holy Grail_ is still very funny. 4. JRT is still a prick. >> Here's an idea: Give up quoting "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" at the big power-pop shows, and the girls may quit rolling their eyes at you. Then we can be friends, since guys who are already getting laid tend to have higher opinions of Playboy employees. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:42:40 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Advisories 6. The Cure's "Greatest Hits" includes a fabulous bonus disc with the entire first disc performed acoustically. 7. Anti-Pop Consortium's EP on Warp Records has most of the flaws of Warp Records and of Anti-Pop, and none of the good points. 8. Monsters, Inc. is completely adorable. 9. Radiohead's live album has about ten interesting minutes ("Morning Bell" and "Idioteque"). 10. There were a surprising number of loudfan-related records in the bargain bins of Northampton this weekend: the Pledge Drive record (wow!) and something by Tris McCall from 1996 (enh). 11. I would have gotten my own set of numbers that started from 1, but I'm on a budget. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:13:32 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Advisories At Wednesday 11/14/2001 12:36 AM -0500, JRT456@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 11/13/01 9:09:50 PM, glenn@furia.com advises: > ><< 3. _Monty Python and the Holy Grail_ is still very funny. > >4. JRT is still a prick. >> > >Here's an idea: Give up quoting "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" at the big >power-pop shows, and the girls may quit rolling their eyes at you. Then we >can be friends, since guys who are already getting laid tend to have higher >opinions of Playboy employees. Yeah, you should instead quote from some David Arquette movies, like READY TO RUMBLE or SEE SPOT RUN. The chicks really dig David Arquette movies. Girls go to power-pop shows? Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 01:19:18 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Advisories At Wednesday 11/14/2001 12:36 AM -0500, JRT456@aol.com wrote: > guys who are already getting laid tend to have higher opinions of > Playboy employees. I don't think people who actually have sex read Playboy, old bean. Next you'll be telling us that Hollywood insiders all read Entertainment Weekly. Or that French people read Mademoiselle. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:24:08 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Advisories At 01:19 AM 11/14/01 -0500, Aaron Mandel wrote: >At Wednesday 11/14/2001 12:36 AM -0500, JRT456@aol.com wrote: > >> guys who are already getting laid tend to have higher opinions of >> Playboy employees. > >I don't think people who actually have sex read Playboy, old bean. Next >you'll be telling us that Hollywood insiders all read Entertainment >Weekly. Or that French people read Mademoiselle. Silly boy! French people read Oui! S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:55:52 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] No, I won't let it go!!! (Special First Anniversary Edition) On Tuesday, November 13, 2001, at 10:57 PM, JRT456@aol.com wrote: > And while the NY Times do their best to cover up the way military > ballots > were buried by the Dems, let's also give them credit for this opening > paragraph, which might spare us future lamenting about the Supreme Court > decision I've read that the Bush operatives got lots of obviously defective military ballots counted. And there were military people bragging to the media about how they were able to vote twice. The Scalia 5 didn't know what the outcome of the recount would be, therefore they get no points from the fact that Bush would have come out ahead under a certain recount method. What they did know was that Bush had more votes at the time, and they wanted to keep it that way. __________ Washington Post, November 11 - > The study showed that if the two limited recounts had not been > short-circuited - the first by Florida county and state election > officials and the second by the U.S. Supreme Court - Bush would have > held his lead over Gore, with margins ranging from 225 to 493 votes, > depending on the standard. But the study also found that whether > dimples are counted or a more restrictive standard is used, a statewide > tally favored Gore by 60 to 171 votes. http://www.msnbc.com/news/656172_asp.htm - - Steve __________ If anyone has ever benefited from what Bush has called "the bigotry of soft expectations," it's George W. Bush himself. - Mark Crispin Miller ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #304 *******************************