From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #298 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, November 9 2001 Volume 01 : Number 298 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Talmy Something Good (NS) ["West Moran" ] Re: [loud-fans] once more with ProTools [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] Musical Buffy [steve ] Re: [loud-fans] Talmy Something Good (NS) [Dan Sallitt ] [loud-fans] like dylan in the movies ["Brandon J. Carder" ] [loud-fans] 24? ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] 24? [jenny grover ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:56:51 -0800 From: "West Moran" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Talmy Something Good (NS) > >If only MCA would cough up a definitive Buddy Holly box set, my faith would > be > >at least partially restored in soulless corporate behemoths. > > > Didn't MCA have a definitive Holly box set on vinyl, some fifteen-twenty > years back? Yes; actually, I have a couple of them. "The Complete Buddy Holly" is a 6-LP set that MCA released in the US in 1979. I also have "The Complete Buddy Holly Story", a 9-LP collection from Germany that was released by MCA-Coral in 1973. Despite the difference in the number of licorice pizzas, both collections are virtually identical, although the US version is slightly more complete. (I think there was a UK box set as well, but I'm only asking for trouble just thinking about it.) In any case, all this material could fit perfectly on 4 CDs, and Holly is a rock and roll legend, so why not do it? If Stan Freberg deserves a box set (and he does), surely sharper minds than mine could make a convincing case for Buddy Holly. Sheesh. I'd record the box(es) onto CDs myself if I could get my darn turntable to stop humming. A Brown-Eyed Handsome Man, West. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 01:31:23 -0800 From: "West Moran" Subject: [loud-fans] Suddenly, The Guy Won't Shut Up (Swap Review) From: "Jer Fairall" To: "West Moran" Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 12:24 PM > Hey, > > Did the CD mix I sent you arrive alright? I'd > normally assume that it did but I'm a little more > skeptical about the mail these days... Funny you should ask. Not only did it arrive, but I was listening to it earlier today with the intention of writing this review tonight! (No, really. Strange, isn't it?) The CD is called "Mix It Up And Make Your Own Concoction", and it's swell. (Also, according to the date you put on the back -- October 6 -- it officially qualifies as a birthday present. Yay!) It goes like this: Marry Me Jane, "21" Great opener. The singer has a really sweet voice. Bill Janovitz, "Best Kept Secret" The Clash, "Hateful" Well, everybody likes The Clash. This one used to get played a lot on KROQ here in Los Angeles some time ago. I'm reminded of the fact that I bought the remastered "London Calling" when it hit the racks a couple of years ago, but I've hardly played it since then. The Go-Go's, "Unforgiven" This is really good; I stayed away from "God Bless The Go-Go's", thinking that it wouldn't measure up to their previous efforts, but it looks like I was wrong. Jimmy Eat World, "Your House (Demo)" The demo version is harder than the finished product, which I coincidentally almost put on the swap CD I sent out (I went with "If You Don't, Don't" instead). Where did this come from? Teenage Fanclub/De La Soul, "Fallin'" Cool! I'm not really familiar with Teenage Fanclub, but I like De La Soul, and I haven't heard this before. Anton Barbeau, "Sula 2" I recently got into Anton Barbeau, and I'm plowing through his stuff. I'm diggin' it. Too Much Joy, "How To Be Happy" Amy Rigby, "Beer & Kisses" Elvis Costello, "Stranger In The House" I love this song. By the way, does anyone know when the next batch of Rhino reissues is due? Dar Williams, "The Christians & The Pagans" This is my favorite song on the CD. I'll probably nick this one for my next Christmas mix. Rainer Maria, "The Contents Of Lincoln's Pockets" When they got to "A brown leather wallet containing five dollars", I couldn't help wondering if Lincoln used it for ID. Atom & His Package, "If You Own The Washington Redskins, You're A Cock" It would be funny even if there weren't lyrics. It's a good thing they didn't say anything about the Minnesota Twins or the Montreal Expos, or the song might be obsolete soon. The Boomtown Rats, "Nice 'N' Neat" The Psychedelic Furs, "Into You Like A Train" Both of these tracks were intriguing, since I haven't heard very much from either of these bands. A couple of months ago, I happened to see a recent Psychedelic Furs concert on cable; I feel better knowing that Richard Butler's voice actually hasn't changed, but really just sounds like that all the time, then and now. The Ramones, "I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend (Demo)" Did you hear that some people are considering renaming the street on which CBGB resides? They wanna name it after Joey Ramone! Bitchin'!! Buffalo Tom, "Going Underground" The Weakerthans, "My Favorite Chords" Elton John, "Mona Lisas & Mad Hatters" Ben Folds, "Gone" Big finish and done! A satisfying and delightful experience. One last thing: I noticed that one of those theft-deterrent thingys is stuck onto the CD case. What gives? When I tried to leave for work, my house made a loud beeping noise and I had to empty my pockets onto the sofa. How embarrassing. Thanks, Jer! West ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:27:22 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] once more with ProTools On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > One more minor note on the Buffy musical: a couple folks have commented > that Sarah Michelle Gellar ought not to look forward to a singing career. > True, her voice was rather thin...but then, I just listened to _We Want > Jelly Donuts_ this afternoon, and if Shalini can be the lead singer of a > rock'n'roll band, so can Sarah Michelle Gellar. Mind you, I *like* that > album - but no one's ever going to confuse Shalini with Kate Smith in the > belting-it-out department. I think that's a little unfair. Shalini's voice isn't what you expect from the typical power-pop band, but she *can* sing; she's got decent pitch control, her breathing is ok, etc. It works better live, too -- she's sounded more confident and a little tougher in the last coupla shows I've caught. So nobody but me thought they heard artifacts of major pitch correction on Gellar's voice? Particularly on those things where a single syllable travelled through several pitches, not so much on "we all play our pa-ah-ahrt," but there was another long one that descended and then came back up where it seemed painfully obvious that it had been tweaked. 'Cos like I said, I only saw the last six minutes or so, after Gilmore Girls (I don't s'pose anyone wants to lend me a tape?) but I was kind of surprised that out of a mono 3" speaker I was still able to hear what I think of as characteristics of pitch correction on the sound. (Well, it was easier since she was singing unaccompanied for a while -- which *IS* tough, even for pros, I will grant you). But if nobody else heard it, maybe I was smoking crack? This is an area where I lack the courage of my convictions. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 06:52:42 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] once more with ProTools At Thursday 11/8/2001 08:27 AM -0500, dmw wrote: >So nobody but me thought they heard artifacts of major pitch correction on >Gellar's voice? Particularly on those things where a single syllable >travelled through several pitches, not so much on "we all play our >pa-ah-ahrt," but there was another long one that descended and then came >back up where it seemed painfully obvious that it had been tweaked. I know what you're talking about, and I did hear that. It didn't occur to me at the time that pitch correction was going on, but something did sound wrong. I thought maybe they were trying for a weird effect and weren't quite achieving it in the way they wanted. Later. --Rog P.S. Has anyone else been getting this one-line spam? I've been getting it a lot lately: >From: jan69@swan.ac.uk >Reply-To: >Subject: Hey Mike dwotoh >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 > >Hey Mike I just got in I will give you a buzz in an hour or so What's up with that? What are they trying to sell me? There's no URLs or anything. Virus attempt? - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:00:20 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Musical Buffy On Thursday, November 8, 2001, at 12:28 AM, Roger Winston wrote: > Amber Benson must've had some professional training/experience. Either > that or she's a natural. I think she's writing some Buffy comic books > too, so she's a real multi-tasker. She has also written and directed a film, so Rog must be on to something. - - Steve __________ I've noticed that this President's grassroots supporters cannot think of anything to say in his defense aside from screaming that he isn't Clinton. That wholly negative appeal, and not his mythic "likability," is Bush's primary asset. - Mark Crispin Miller ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:00:51 -0500 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Talmy Something Good (NS) > I'd record the box(es) onto CDs myself if I could get my darn turntable to > stop humming. Does the turntable need to be grounded? - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:41:11 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Pepsi, Buffy, Shalini, true Star Drek [ns] Jeffrey (quoted here) and then Dan McCarthy helpfully pointed out: >Negativland made almost exactly this point in their notes to the (WARNING: >FORBIDDEN TITLE ABOUT TO BE NAMED!!) _Dyspepsi_ CD a few years back... I didn't know that! The only Negativeland artifacts I've ever owned or knowingly listened to are U2 and GUN. First Momus steals my longstanding M.C. Escher conceit, and now this... I'd like to second everything Jeffrey has said here about BUFFY (the musical episode, the high quality of the show throughout its run, Boreanez actually having become a good actor, etc.) and MULHOLLAND DRIVE. I'll just add a few things re: BUFFY: * Neither the SALON piece quoted by Andy H. nor the subsequent on-list comments seem to mention what for me was the kicker in the Tara/Willow song - -- "under your spell" carries at least a triple meaning here, since Willow had cast the "forget" spell on Tara at the end of the previous episode. This gives Tara's doe-eyed warblings a foreboding (from the perspective of the all-knowing audience, that is) undercurrent; it's not just love talking, since Willow has used magic to manipulate her. So like the best songs from past musicals, the Tara/Willow song has multiple layers of meaning, making it sweet, sexy, and impossibly sad. * I'm concerned that Amber Benson's absence from the opening credits has to do with the aforementioned conflict between Tara and Willow -- they may be planning to write Tara off the show, at least in the short term. Tara does appear twice in the current title montage, for what it's worth. * Whether Sarah Michelle Gellar was pitch-corrected or not, I thought her singing had an appealing vulnerability. So what if she won't be this year's tour-company Sally Bowles? Like the rest of the BUFFY cast, she rose to the challenge within the framework of the show. It wasn't like the demon claimed that he would make everyone sing *well,* ya know, and the aim of the episode wasn't to launch the cast's Broadway careers. Carping about the quality of the cast's singing seems like a useless and wrong-headed activity. * Rog wonders: > It certainly does look like they're leading up to >Dark Willow as the Big Baddie of the season, but haven't they been down >that road a few times before (Evil Angel, Willow's alternate universe >doppelganger)? I hope they bring something new to the mix this time. I >have faith, I guess. I wish *they* had Faith. :-) I really don't feel like they're repeating themselves too much here, and certainly not at the level of other series tropes (STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION and that damned holodeck, the ridiculously Job-like trials of NYPD BLUE's Sipowicz, George Lucas deciding to blow up the Death Star again...). Like Jeffrey has said to me off-list, the transformation of Willow from retiring wallflower to powerful supernatural figure seems like a pretty rich psychological vein to mine, and substantially different than, say, Angel's very particular circumstances. In other news: Shalini's singing voice: I'd be interested in what Jeff Downing has to say, since we both saw her first Nashville gig about this time last year, but at that show it seemed like Shalini was holding back, concerned to the point of distraction with not singing too flat. Having seen Courtney Love make up in moxie what she lacks in precision, I really wish Shalini would just turn her voice loose, especially on the more rockin' numbers -- I'm willing to trade a few bum notes for audible proof of the enthusiasm and spirit that she really has for these songs. Maybe she's doing some of that these days. Funniest new TV show (unintentional category): ENTERPRISE, a show that fails on so many levels that it accomplishes the feat of making VOYAGER look like a classic. T'Pau (surprise: Jolene Blalock is the *only* capable actor on the show!) should just kill all the ship's obnoxious, irritating humans and have her own damn series. And I haven't even mentioned the Diane Warren power ballad that serves as the show's theme song; if the acting and storylines haven't already put you on the verge of vomiting, this will guarantee it, and the show isn't even five minutes old. I already thought Rick Berman needed to give up the STAR TREK franchise, but ENTERPRISE represents a new low for his regime. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:41:04 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] "Heathers" Box I wanted to warn anyone interested in buying the Limited Edition box of this DVD: Don't. I rented the regular edition the other week (with Ryder on the DVD artwork) and it was fine. I decided to buy the box edition of the film (the box DVD itself has different artwork on the outside from the regular editions...it has the Westerberg H.S. logo instead of the various actresses who starred in the film. The regular editions are different I think depending on whether you buy the edition with Ryder on the cover vs. the one with Doherty or Lisanne Falk or Kim Walker (who, sad to say, died this year). Regardless, the first box DVD I got was defective, having a digital meltdown in an opening scene. I returned it to Best Buy, and they would not let me get the cheaper regular edition. I could only exchange it for another box. I let my friend Jeff (the "Finding Jack Kerouac" filmmaker guy from work) borrow the new one I got in exchange so he could watch the commentary of the filmmakers, and he said it wouldn't play on his machine. The box has some cheesy extras as far as packaging, but as far as I know it is no different in programming from the regular edition, so it ain't worth the extra cash anyway. That film ranks up there with "Annie Hall" to me in terms of importance in comedic film, and that's why I would fork out three times more for it in a stupid tin with cheesy stuff inside. Extra track and a tacky badge, Mark, given a free ticket to see Steve Malkmus tonight in Asheville as a gift to WNCW DJs, which is my karma, after calling him the Bobby Sherman of the indie world np "A Beautiful Story by Andrew" (Sandoval) "Hell, they can fart in NYC or CA and we'll feel the backdraft of it here" (My mom, over coffee this morning...forget the context, this was just the funniest thing I've heard in awhile) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:16:07 EST From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Talmy Something Good (NS) In a message dated 11/8/01 7:02:40 AM, sallitt@micro-net.com writes: << > I'd record the box(es) onto CDs myself if I could get my darn turntable to > stop humming. Does the turntable need to be grounded? - Dan >> I think grounding is much too severe of a punishment for simply forgetting the words. Left ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:28:04 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] rare scott stuff on eBay (ns) I know that Sue and Joe would feel odd promoting their own enterprises on this list, but they're currently auctioning off on eBay: "A couple of truly cool collectibles for the Game Theory fan! First, there's a copy of their classic LP LOLITA NATION on vinyl, with clever and one-of-a-kind signatures by four members of the band, done especially for this auction (Scott Miller, Donnette Thayer, Gil Ray and Shelley LaFreniere). This is a great item even if you don't have a turntable, but if you do, you'll want to know that the vinyl is in totally MINT, never-played condition. As a bonus, we'll also throw in a video tape featuring two Game Theory videos, "Erica's Word" and "The Real Sheila." These played a few times on MTV back in the '80s, but few of even the most die-hard GT fans have ever seen 'em! " Bidding is currently at $48.00. I hear that Scott's signature is one-of-a-kind because it's in his own blood!!! Buy the record, and you might be able to clone Scott when the technology finally comes around. And didn't Xena do a musical episode over a year ago? - --dana ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:52:46 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Talmy Something Good (NS) >I'd record the box(es) onto CDs myself if I could get my darn turntable to >stop humming. Does it hum the same tune as Warren Zevon's air conditioner? Mystics and statistics, Andy Quotation of the day: Author - Italo Svevo English - the three things I always forget are names, faces and the third one I can't remember Italian - ci sono tre cose che mi dimentico sempre: nomi, facce, la terza non mi ricordo Spanish - hay tres cosas que siempre olvido: nombres, rostros, y no recuerdo la tercera French - il y a trois choses dont je ne me souviens jamais: les noms, les visages et la troisihme, je ne m'en souviens plus Portuguese - esquego-me sempre de trjs coisas: dos nomes, das caras... e nco me lembro da terceira Brazilian Portuguese - esquego-me sempre de trjs coisas: dos nomes, das caras... e nco me lembro da terceira German - es gibt drei Dinge, die ich immer vergesse: Namen, Gesichter, an das dritte erinnere ich mich nicht Hungarian - harom dolgot nem tudok megjegyezni: neveket, arcokat, a harmadik pedig nem jut eszembe Finnish - unohdan aina kolme asiaa: nimet, kasvot, kolmatta en muista Catalan - hi han tres coses que sempre m4hen oblido: noms, cares, i l tercer no ho recordo Croatian - tri su stvari koje uvijek zaboravljam: imena, lica i trece se ne sjecam Czech - jsou tri veci, kteri stale zapommnam: jmina, tvare, a na tu tretm si nemohu vzpomenout Dutch - er zijn drie dingen die ik altijd vergeet: namen, gezichten en de derde herinner ik me niet meer Emiliano-Romagnolo - al sonn tri al robi ch'am smember: nomi, fazi; al tirzi a son smemberd Furlan - a' son tre robis che mi dismentei simpri: nons, musns, la tierce no ricuardi Latin - tria semper obliviscor: nomina, vultus et tertium non memini Latvian; Lettish - tris lietas, kura es vienmer aizmirstu ir vardi, sejas, bet treo es nevaru atcereties Occitan - i a tres causas quoblido totjorn: noms, morres, la tersena la naviso pas Polish - sa trzy rzeczy, ktsre zawsze zapominam: imiona, twarze, trzeciej nie pamietam Romanian - exista trei lucruri pe care le uit mereu: numele, fetele, pe cel de al treilea nu mi-l amintesc Slovak - sz tri veci, ktori casto zabzdam: mena, tvare ...a na tz tretiu si nespommnam Venetian - ghe xe tre robe che me desmentego senpre: i nomi, le face ... e la tersa no me la ricordo Sicilian - ci sunnu tri cosi ca mi scordu sempri: nnomi, facci, e 'a terza non m'arricordu Flemish - er zijn drie dingen die ik altijd vergeet: namen, gezichten en de derde herinner ik me niet meer Calabrese - ci sunu tri cosi ca mi scordu sempri:nomi,facci,la terza nun mi la ricordu Reggiano - gh'h trei cosi che me scord shimper: nrm. ghhgni, la tersa m'la sun scordhda Ferrarese - a ghh tri quii c'am adsmendg sempar: nomi, visi... la terza la n'am arcord brisa Bolognese - ai i trn qun cha m dsctrd sdnper: nsmm, ghiggn, qu`lla ddl trai a n lr brnsa in amdnt [--from the Verba Volant mailing of November 8, 2001] ------------------------------ Date: 08 Nov 2001 13:53:47 -0500 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Musical Buffy Roger Winston writes: | Amber Benson must've had some professional training/experience. | Either that or she's a natural. I think she's writing some Buffy | comic books too, so she's a real multi-tasker. I keep wondering why | she's still not in the opening credits. I have heard that it somehow frees her up contractually to do more projects outside of the show than otherwise. - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:16:27 -0800 From: "Brandon J. Carder" Subject: [loud-fans] like dylan in the movies For all of you who miss the fortune cookie server or just want to see what the world-wide-web looked like in highschool, http://archive0.alexa.com/ is right up your respective alleys. Speaking of which I was strolling around on the above site and happened upon the following from 1998: New Scott Miller song to appear on compilation album: A track called "Waiting Only," credited to Scott alone, will appear on a Rykodisc compilation CD aimed at preventing suicide among gay teens. The song's been in the can for several months now, but unfortunately, there's still no news about the benefit album. Now this *can't* be _slit my wrists_ so what gives? np Virgin Whore Complex _succumb_ Cypress House/QED/Lost Coast Press Publishers of Exotic Paper Airplanes by Thay Yang and Tales From the Mountain by Pulitzer Prize nominee, Miguel Torga We don't rent pigs. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:43:43 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] like dylan in the movies On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Brandon J. Carder wrote: > Speaking of which I was strolling around on the above site and happened upon > the following from 1998: > > New Scott Miller song to appear on compilation album: A track called "Waiting > Only," credited to Scott alone, will appear on a Rykodisc compilation CD aimed > at preventing suicide among gay teens. The song's been in the can for several > months now, but unfortunately, there's still no news about the benefit album. The benefit album was scrapped, and "Waiting Only" became "Controlled Burn (Pt. 2)". A little spacewalk, J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:50:48 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] like dylan in the movies >For all of you who miss the fortune cookie server or just want to see what the >world-wide-web looked like in highschool, http://archive0.alexa.com/ is right >up your respective alleys. Interesting article on potential ramafications of this, here: http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/11/02/wayback/index.html My test-drives of the thing haven't been impressive, so far (another year, machines are still my enemies). And no text searching--wha? But I hold out hope for the wayback future. Looking backward to "Smells Like Steve Perry"...and Chris Albert... Andy Quotation of the day: Author - Paul Valiry http://www.logos.it/bio/paul_valery.html English - politics is the art of seeing that people do not become interested in that which concerns them Italian - la politica h l'arte di evitare che la gente si interessi di cir che la riguarda Spanish - la polmtica es el arte de evitar que la gente se interese en lo que le importa French - la politique est l'art d'empjcher les gens de se mjler de ce qui les regarde Portuguese - a polmtica i a arte de evitar que as pessoas se interessem por aquilo que lhes diz respeito Brazilian Portuguese - a polmtica i a arte de evitar que as pessoas se interessem por aquilo que lhes diz respeito German - Politik ist die Kunst zu vermeiden, dass die Leute sich f|r das interessieren, was sie betrifft Hungarian - a politika az a muviszet, amivel el lehet irni, hogy az emberek ne foglalkozzanak az oket irinto dolgokkal Finnish - politiikka on taidetta estdd ihmisid kiinnostumasta heitd itseddn koskevista asioista Catalan - la polmtica hs l4art d4evitar que la gent s4interesi d4allr que la preocupa Croatian - politika je umjetnost izbjegavanja da se ljudi interesiraju onim to ih se tice Czech - politika je umenm postarat se o to, aby se lidi nezajmmali o veci, kteri se jich t}kajm Dutch - politiek is de kunst te vermijden dat de mensen zich interesseren in wat hen aangaat Emiliano-Romagnolo - la puleteca la h l'erti ad fer ca la zent us'impipa dal robi ca son de chent lur Furlan - la politiche 'e jh l'art di schivb che la int si interesi di chel che la riguarde Latin - ratio civilis est ars cavendi ne homines curent quod ad se pertineat Latvian; Lettish - politika ir maksla redzet, ka cilveki neinteresejas par to, kas attiecas uz viniem Occitan - la politica es lart dempachar que lo monde senteresse de gr que lo regarda Polish - polityka jest sztuka unikania by ludzie interesowali sie tym co ich dotyczy Romanian - politica este arta de a nmpiedica oamenii sa se amestece nn ceea ce ni priveste Slovak - politika je umenmm postarat sa o to, aby sa ludia nezaujmmalo o to, co sa ich t}ka Venetian - la politica la xe la capassit` de fare in maniera che la xente no se intaressi de quel che la riguarda Sicilian - 'a pulitica h l'arti di evitari ca 'a genti s'interessa di chiddu ca 'a riguarda Flemish - politiek is de kunst te vermijden dat de mensen zich interesseren in wat hen aangaat Calabrese - la pulitica h u mistieri di sapiri evitari ca a genti si possa interessari di chiro ca la riguarda Reggiano - la polhtica l'h l'erta ed tajer fora la gint da coll che gh'interhsa Ferrarese - la pulitica l'h l'art ad far sl c'la zent la'n s'interess brisa ad quel c'la riguarda Bolognese - la pulittica li lhrt ed fhr da manc che la zdnt is intarhsen a qu`ll chal i dntra sng [--from the Verba Volant mailing for November 7, 2001] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:55:33 -0800 (PST) From: Jer Fairall Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Suddenly, The Guy Won't Shut Up (Swap Review) > The Go-Go's, "Unforgiven" > This is really good; I stayed away from "God Bless > The Go-Go's", thinking that it wouldn't measure up to > their previous efforts, but it looks like I was > wrong. I have a hard time assessing Go-Go's albums because they each have one song that I adore so much that the rest of the album seems to disappear in it's shadow and this song, for me, is to GOD BLESS what "Head Over Heels" is to TALK SHOW and what VACATION's title track is to it. > Jimmy Eat World, "Your House (Demo)" > The demo version is harder than the finished product, > which I coincidentally almost put on the swap CD I > sent out (I went with "If You Don't, Don't" instead). > Where did this come from? We had these two song sampler CDs at HMV before BLEED AMERICAN was released containing the title track/single and this demo, which I actually prefer to the album version. I was either gonna go with "The Authority Song" or "If You Don't, Don't" for your mix but just happened to be listening to be listening to this song the morning I made this CD and decided to go with it instead. Trying to convince someone to buy an album based on a demo version of one of the songs from it is an admittedly strange tactic, but I didn't know that you already owned it. > Elvis Costello, "Stranger In The House" > I love this song. By the way, does anyone know when > the next batch of Rhino reissues is due? Just checked Rhino's site and nothing posted about them yet. Between Costello, Blondie and the Ramones, I've been going reissue crazy lately. Why couldn't they take a cue from Simon & Garfunkel and release them in a nice, convenient box set at the same time? > Dar Williams, "The Christians & The Pagans" > This is my favorite song on the CD. I'll probably > nick this one for my next Christmas mix. While you're at it, pick up one of Dar's albums as well! This song's from MORTAL CITY (1996) but they're all great. > Psychedelic Furs, "Into You Like a Train" > > A couple of months ago, I happened to see a recent > Psychedelic Furs concert on cable I was watching that very concert the morning I made this, thus inspiring me to include something by them. I noticed when I played this CD back after making it that the sound quality on this and the Boomtown Rats tracks were pretty weak. So, to who ever is in charge of these things, let's get some Furs and Rats reissues out there! > One last thing: I noticed that one of those > theft-deterrent thingys is stuck onto the CD case. > What gives? Oh. I think I was out of empty jewel cases when I made this and ended up taking apart one of the promo discs that I got from work that I didn't want and using it's case. After having worked at HMV for a year and a half now, I have yet to see one of these things actually prevent shoplifting but countless times I've seen them annoy both customers and employees when someone forgets to zap them at cash and they send the alarm off as they leave the store. Sorry 'bout that! > Thanks, Jer! Thanks for the review! I'm glad you liked the mix. Jer np: Ramones, LEAVE HOME (the reissue of which includes a 16-track live album as a bonus. Rhino rocks!) ===== Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:33:20 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] once more with ProTools On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, dmw wrote: > On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > > Jelly Donuts_ this afternoon, and if Shalini can be the lead singer of a > > rock'n'roll band, so can Sarah Michelle Gellar. Mind you, I *like* that > > album - but no one's ever going to confuse Shalini with Kate Smith in the > > belting-it-out department. > > I think that's a little unfair. Shalini's voice isn't what you expect > from the typical power-pop band, but she *can* sing; she's got decent > pitch control, her breathing is ok, etc. It works better live, too -- > she's sounded more confident and a little tougher in the last coupla shows > I've caught. Could be - I've never seen her live. But I was comparing mainly the fairly thin, insubstantial quality of the voices. > So nobody but me thought they heard artifacts of major pitch correction on > Gellar's voice? Particularly on those things where a single syllable > travelled through several pitches, not so much on "we all play our > pa-ah-ahrt," but there was another long one that descended and then came > back up where it seemed painfully obvious that it had been tweaked. Well, your ears *are* more professionalized than most of ours - and I saw it only once in real time and was taping _Gilmore Girls_ (yet to be watched, however) at the same time, so I didn't notice. Not to say it wasn't done... And I wasn't really criticizing Shalini's voice (not in the sense of saying "shut up already" anyway) - I think *singing* is way more important than the quality of a voice (that is, feeling, phrasing, etc.) or even the ability to stay in pitch (as long as things don't get *too* ugly). I think really, I'm agreeing w/whoever said SMG's voice had an appealing quality to it that overcame her inexperience, thin tone, and possibly dubious sense of pitch. (I'd say the same re Shalini, dropping the "ineperience" part, of course. Re pitch: I think she's pretty iffy on the octave leap in "Telepathic World"...) Oh - and I'm in perfect agreement that the quality of the actors' voices is a lot less to the point here than the overall charm and quality of the episode - but it's still fun to talk about! Rog (I think) said he thought UPN was going to rerun the episode (less the extra 6 minutes) this week or next - any word on when? (My cable system's onscreen guide doesn't list it.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 22:20:55 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] once more with ProTools At Thursday 11/8/2001 06:33 PM -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Rog (I think) said he thought UPN was going to rerun the episode (less the >extra 6 minutes) this week or next - any word on when? (My cable system's >onscreen guide doesn't list it.) Ha ha, you fell for it, Norman! Ummmm, my satellite guide also gives no indication of a rerun, on any of the 3 UPN channels I get. I'll have to check my sources and let you know if I find anything. I am interested to find out what they could cut out for the shorter version. They'd have to get rid of one or two numbers, yet they were all fairly essential to the plot. Maybe the Xander/Anya number? It would be a shame if they cut the Tara tune. In other TV Talk, did everyone catch the new South Park this week? Geez, who knew that Parker & Stone would target bin Laden? What a surprise! And also, I thought the premiere of The Tick was brilliant. "No offense intended." "None comprehended!" Later. --Bugs and Elmer "Champagne for my real friends. Real pain for my sham friends." - Therapy? - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 00:44:01 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: [loud-fans] 24? I skipped Buffy to tape Gilmore Girls, but I got home in time to watch the first episode of _24_ on Fox. Did anybody else succumb to the marketing for this? The idea, in case you missed it, is that the series is 24 episodes long, each episode covering one hour of the story approximately in "real" time (including the occasional split-screen when things are going on in two places at once), so that the whole series covers a single day. It opens at midnight, the night before the California presidential primary, with the Secret Service getting word that there is going to be an assassination attempt against one of the nominees. Keifer Sutherland is the lead, a Counter Terrorism Unit agent assigned to investigate, with various other complications in his life to make it more interesting. I'm not sure, after one episode, how good I think it is, but I admire the structural creativity, and I'll certainly watch a couple more hours of it to see how it develops. If you missed the first episode Tuesday night, it's being shown again tomorrow (Friday) at 9pm. glenn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 01:11:56 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 24? glenn mcdonald wrote: > > I skipped Buffy to tape Gilmore Girls, but I got home in time to watch > the first episode of _24_ on Fox. Did anybody else succumb to the > marketing for this? Yes, and for me, as well, the jury is out as to whether it's going to be worth it in the long haul, but that's true for pretty much every TV series, in my opinion. I did have fun watching it and it's nice to have something to look forward to on TV now that the baseball season is over. Also caught the first installment of the PBS series on roots music, and I intend to watch the rest of that. Jen (who very much enjoyed seeing the Beta Band on the Late, Late Show last night, even if they did kind of cut the song off to cram in more commercials). ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #298 *******************************