From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #291 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, November 4 2001 Volume 01 : Number 291 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] celery fact,or celery fiction [Michael Bowen ] Re: [loud-fans] celery fact,or celery fiction [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Thee Headcoats? ["Kunkel, Mark" ] [loud-fans] Appealing yet again to the Oracle ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] Appealing yet again to the Oracle ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] celery! [Vivebonpop@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] celery! [Vivebonpop@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] celery! [Jack Lippold ] Re: [loud-fans] celery fact,or celery fiction [Stewart Mason ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 09:38:10 -0500 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] celery fact,or celery fiction At 11:11 PM 11/2/2001 -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Which could not help but remind me of celery's place in the rock and roll: >Was it the Butthole Surfers who once took a heckler up on stage, dropped >his drawers, and inserted a celery stick in their namesake orifice? (Or am >I confusing "Butthole Surfers" with someone else, for obvious reasons?) It was the Stranglers who performed this particular little bit of Rock Spectacle. Where JJ Burnel got the celery from, I don't know. MB http://www.savemonroe.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:23:59 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] celery! In a message dated 11/2/01 5:12:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, brandon@cypresshouse.com writes: > I mean vivebonpop hasn't even > come up with a self-absorbed anecdote or vaguely related cautionary tale. > Could it be the abuse has finally taken its inevitable toll? > I think sometimes that I'll rejoin the Coupland lists (the larger known as "Camp Coupland") and toast virtual marshmallows with all the other self-absorbed X and Yers. However, due to time limitations, I chose this list over the others because of what it has to offer in terms of subjects covered and the collective pool of knowledge, though sometimes I really do wonder why I'm here, and have chosen to return...more than once. I'm really not into abuse. Mark np Nick Heyward "the Apple Bed" "Your high school scars are way deeper than your divorce scars or your Vietnam scars. What kids do to each other in high school is as bad as what adults do to each other in war and divorce." "It's a brilliant piece of literature and I mean, I call it literature because it really is; I hold it up next to Catcher in the Rye and all the great books I read." (Winona Ryder discussing her favorite film "Heathers" in an interview on the DVD reissue) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 09:33:16 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] celery! At Saturday 11/3/2001 11:23 AM -0500, Vivebonpop@aol.com wrote: >I think sometimes that I'll rejoin the Coupland lists (the larger known as >"Camp Coupland") and toast virtual marshmallows with all the other >self-absorbed X and Yers. However, due to time limitations, I chose this list >over the others because of what it has to offer in terms of subjects covered >and the collective pool of knowledge, though sometimes I really do wonder why >I'm here, and have chosen to return...more than once. I'm really not into >abuse. That's all well and good, but you still haven't told us how you feel about celery! Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:48:16 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] celery fact,or celery fiction On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Roger Winston wrote: > Which reminds me that I have pictures of swimsuited non-elastic Brianna in > the bathtub with celery (and not liking it). It's amazing what you can do > with Photoshop these days. Y'know, it was Rog who pointed out the Paula-Carino-in-the-bathtub photos as well. I guess we know what *his* deal is. > (Hmmmm, or was that Jenny in the phone booth with broccoli? I forget.) I rather think it was Colonel Mustard in the conservatory with a lead pipe. Either that, or Lucy in the sky with diamonds. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::SCENE 2: ::Aunt Fritzi applies lipstick in the mirror. In the next room, Sluggo ::removes his ever-present cap and blows his nose in a red handkerchief. ::Nancy enters the room and accuses Sluggo of stealing the donuts that ::Aunt Fritzi made for her. Sluggo looks at the clock, which reads 8:54, ::and says he'd better hurry or he'll be late for his trombone lesson. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 12:27:18 -0600 From: "Kunkel, Mark" Subject: [loud-fans] Thee Headcoats? Apologies, again, for more nonScott queries, but the local CD store is suddenly stocked with various Thee Headcoats issues and reissues, I assume. I understand they are garage-y, which is a-okay with me. Any picks or pans regarding their oeuvre? Thanking you all in advance, etc., PS I love cilantro. I hate celery. I also hate cucumbers, unless they are finely chopped and mixed into a nice gazpacho. I believe fellow Loud Fan Dave Seldin has the same peculiarity regarding tomatoes in that he can't stand 'em unless they are finely chopped. _____________________________________________________ Mark D. Kunkel Legislative Attorney Legislative Reference Bureau (608) 266-0131 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:58:15 -0800 (PST) From: mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew Weber) Subject: Re: [loud-fans] celery fact,or celery fiction At 11:11 PM 11/2/1, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Which could not help but remind me of celery's place in the rock and roll: >Was it the Butthole Surfers who once took a heckler up on stage, dropped >his drawers, and inserted a celery stick in their namesake orifice? (Or am >I confusing "Butthole Surfers" with someone else, for obvious reasons?) I believe the Stranglers were responsible for that particular prank. I can't remember if it was a celery stalk or not; the whole thing is awfully similar to an ancient Roman species of public humiliation known as "being radished", when said radix was the instrument of anal violation. Matt Upholders of pure despotism may fitly believe State-control be unlimited and unconditional. They who assert that men are made for governments and not governments for men, may consistently hold that no one can remove himself beyond the pale of political organization. But they who maintain that the people are the only legitimate source of power--that legislative authority is not original, but deputed--cannot deny the right to ignore the State without entangling themselves in an absurdity. For, if legislative authority is deputed, it follows that those from whom it proceeds are the masters of those on whom it is conferred: it follows further that as masters they confer the said authority voluntarily: and this implies that they may give or withhold it as they please. To call that deputed which is wrenched from men whether they will or not is nonsense. But what is here true of all collectively is equally true of each separately. As a government can rightly act for the people only when empowered by them, so also can it rightly act for the individual only when empowered by him. If A, B and C debate whether they shall employ an agent to perform for them a certain service, and if, whilst A and B agree to do so, C dissents, C cannot equitably be made a party to the agreement in spite of himself. And this must be equally as true of thirty as of three: and, if of thirty, why not three hundred, or three thousand, or three million? Herbert Spencer, _The Right to Ignore the State_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:23:09 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Thee Headcoats? At 12:27 PM 11/3/01 -0600, Kunkel, Mark wrote: >Apologies, again, for more nonScott queries, but the local CD store is >suddenly stocked with various Thee Headcoats issues and reissues, I assume. >I understand they are garage-y, which is a-okay with me. Any picks or pans >regarding their oeuvre? All of their records that I've heard sound pretty much exactly alike, although most people rate THE KIDS ARE ALL SQUARE pretty highly. And unless your taste for The Fall is as big as your taste for garage rock, I'd be careful -- Billy Childish and crew lapse into primitive, shrieking atonality on a regular basis, so don't expect 'em to sound like NUGGETS outtakes. S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:23:47 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] Appealing yet again to the Oracle Got a mailing from this company calls itself e-Trends; they want me to download some software which will track where I go on the Web. For this I can get $10 for the software installation, plus another $15 every three months they keep me in the program. Oh yeah, and free software advice too. And naturally, where and what I surf is kept completely confidential. Well, I'm flattered, kinda, and I could always use money, and I like the prospect of being a Web-Nielsen household, proudly promulgating my dedication to "The War Against Silence," "My Fighting Technique Is Unstoppable," and the Loud Family site (and okay, Eve Ellis, but so it goes). On the other hand, it does look a leeetle too good to be true. Anyone have any experience with this firm, or others of its type? Advice? On- or off-list is fine. Oh, speaking of "My Fighting Technique Is Unstoppable," Mr. Rees has some new war commentary on new pages. That URL once more: http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war.html Two days older than Lester Bangs ever was (gulp), Andy Q: So if Lou Reed, Johnny Cash, and Chuck D were in the front row at your next show... A: "Chuck D?!! I'd grab Chuck D's hand and pull him up onstage!!" Q: Wait--so you're in this scenario where you guys are all smashing your equipment like you usually do, shit's flying everywhere, and a crash cymbal is going straight at the heads of these three--Cash, Reed, and D. You have a chance to save one of them from getting his face smashed in. Who would you save? A: "I can only save one person?" Q: Yep. A: "Wait, let me think...." [Bandmates in background yell to save Johnny Cash.] "I guess I would probably just kind of watch to see who it would hit--but I'd probably hope that it wouldn't hit Chuck D, and I'd kind of hope that it would hit Lou Reed. Yeah, I'd hope that it hit Lou Reed". [Bandmates laugh.] Q: Why? A: "I definitely wouldn't want it to hit Chuck D, and I think that Johnny Cash has suffered enough pain in his life--I don't think he needs a cymbal in his face. But I think it could only boost Lou Reed's image to be a martyr." [--Conrad Keely, guitarist, singer and occasional drummer with And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead, from an interview with Hannah Levin at http://www.thestranger.com/2001-10-25/bio_music.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 14:30:06 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] celery! Mark said: np Nick Heyward "the Apple Bed" >>>>>>>>>>> BTW, the more I listen to that album, the more I'm convinced that it's one of the best pop records of the last 30 years. It's not at all original, and many of the songs are essentially "2 parts Beatles song A + 1 part Beatles song B with a dash of Beach Boys chorus A" but it's all done so well that I just don't care. I've been putting "Waiting for the Goodbye Man" on pretty much every swap tape for a year or so, and am growing convinced that it may be the best pop song ever, despite the fact that it's essentially "Hello Goodbye" mixed with "Good Vibrations" and "Penny Lane." - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:44:19 -0800 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Appealing yet again to the Oracle >>http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war.html >Oh my God...I just saw that site yesterday (a friend sent me the URL), and >I commented that it looked a lot like "My Fighting Technique...". Good to >know that it's the same guy! So you're a fan from way back, then? Hearing about Superman flying in a plane, Andy "300 Pounds" by Howlin' Wolf I've got another good story about that. Before I moved to California, in the early '90s, I had a job as a landscaper, cutting lawns and stuff. I was doing it in Cleveland, Ohio, actually, 'cause that's where my Mom had lived and I moved there for a couple months to save up some bread to move to California. I was doing this job and it was about nine o'clock in the morning and I was running a weed whacker in this housing project in downtown Cleveland. I come around the corner and there's this little parking lot and there's this guy sitting there in his car -- this old dude, drinking a 40 out of a paper bag, sitting in his car -- listening to this blues music really loud. At the time, I was maybe 21 and I had just started to get into the blues, just started to become aware of them. I think I had just seen the John Hammond (outer city limits?) and I was completely blown away. I didn't know where to turn for a good blues education. It wasn't like finding some white dude with a Strat somewhere. So this guy was sitting in his car drinking beer at nine in the morning and I stopped my weed machine and I said, "Excuse me sir, who is that? Is that BB King?," because that's really all I knew. And he goes (adopting appropriate accent) "Boy? BB King? That's Howlin' Wolf! C'mere." So, my boss was such a prick at the time, but I set the weed whacker down and I get in the car with him and he's taking me through this Howlin' Wolf tape. The tape that it was The Real Folk Blues. So he's talking to me about the blues and he pops the tape out of the cassette player and he hands it to me and says, "Here, take it." And I'd never met the guy before, I was just a guy trimming the fucking lawn. I took it and I put it in my coat pocket and that's the first blues tape I ever got. That's my favorite song off the record. It's got a great sense of humor and, in the true blues fashion, he's -- I mean, Howlin' was a big man -- he's describing himself, and I just love it. And those are some of the first guitar licks I tried to figure out. I've been a fan ever since. I finally found the record on CD just a couple weeks ago. It's funny, I've never told that story before. [--Buckcherry guitarist Keith Nelson, from an interview with Gail Worley at http://www.ink19.com/issues/november2001/inkSpots/buckcherry.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 12:45:11 -0500 From: "Vallor" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: celery >From: TCronin276@aol.com >does Scott like cilantro? My, how do you get to these topics. Ouch! Sadly, yes, Scott does like cilantro, which leaves a nasty green stain on his status as a genius. Cardomon & it's seeds I can handle in Indian food but the leaves are like bad soap to me..."would you like soap in your taco, sir?" I was thinking of making a CD-R sampler for the list but am not certain how these things work. Can someone shead some light on the particulars ? Do I offer to all interested or do I do a treey type of thing. - - Dan Vallor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 20:25:22 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] celery! In a message dated 11/3/01 12:38:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, rwinston@tde.com writes: > That's all well and good, but you still haven't told us how you feel about > celery! > > Later. --Rog > > I think that celery serves some sort of culinary purpose, but none that appeal to me. I dislike it in retro fifties tract house snacks like celery and pimento cheese, which offers nothing to me other than something pleasing to look at as far as color contrast. I don't like pimentos either, but they do look cool playing against the orange of the cheese and the green celery. My mother for some bizarre reason likes celery in macaroni and cheese and tuna salad, which is a mystery to me. Her defense is "it's good for the nerves." I think it ruins the texture. If celery appears in some stir fry I always leave it. I like warm, soft foods, preferably with some sort of gravy or sauce. Celery is useful in middle school physical science experiments however. Mark np Jim Reeves "Super Hits" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 21:18:24 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] celery! In a message dated 11/3/01 8:25:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, Vivebonpop writes: > My mother for some bizarre reason likes celery in macaroni and cheese and > tuna salad, which is a mystery to me. Her defense is "it's good for the > nerves." Thinking about it, I think it really isn't a mystery (I'm not so self-absorbed as to where I cannot understand another's perspectives and tastes). My mom is one of those people that likes crunchy food textures. I think I read somewhere that assertive, agressive types like crunchy type foods, and that would fit my mom's description. I like the warm, squishy "comfort foods." I sleep with a teddy bear, too (just kidding). Regardless, Ben and Jerry's should come with a warning label from the Surgeon General. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 22:20:21 -0600 From: Jack Lippold Subject: Re: [loud-fans] celery! >I was just wondering what everyone on LoudFans thinks of celery. I don't >like it when it's cooked and is mixed in with other foods, but it's okay >raw. Especially if I dip it in cheese sauce or ranch dressing or >something. I think I should eat more of it, for health reasons, but >dipping it in something kind of defeats that purpose. Sometimes I will >just eat a raw stalk with lots of salt on it! When nothing on it, raw >celery is just kinda tasteless, like water. > >When I go eat Thai food (which I love), I ask if the dish I want to order >has celery in it. If it does, I will either order something else or will >ask them to hold the celery. > >Do you think Scott Miller likes celery? Sometimes I think the song Baby >Hard To Be Around is about celery. Think about it. > >How come rhubarb looks like purple celery, but doesn't really taste like it? > >Beer is pretty good. I like it much better than celery. > >I'm just curious about the whole celery thing. Pls reply. Thanks! I'm passionately indifferent to celery. I just eat it now and then, because I should. But I'd much rather eat (in this order) asparagus, spinach, broccoli and - horror of horrors - Brussels sprouts and beets. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 21:52:34 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] celery fact,or celery fiction At 08:54 PM 11/2/01 -0500, Dana L Paoli wrote: >Maybe you should try Celery Root, possibly the ugliest of vegetables. >Boil it and mash it with butter (or ask Stewart for a recipe...I'm sure >he has one). You get the faintest hint of celery with the texture of >mashed potatoes. It's very nice. No recipe for mashed celery root (also known as celeraic, a way cooler word), but if you want a recipe for something redolent of celery without tasting of celery, behold the Chicago-style hot dog: Get a package of your hot dog of choice. Tofu dogs will do fine, though this really wants something like a Hebrew National. Place dogs in a skillet with a tight-fitting lid with about a quarter-cup of water. Steam hot dogs over medium-low heat until water is evaporated. Turn heat to medium-high, remove lid and pan-fry dogs to desired degree of brownness. Some like 'em just lightly browned, some like 'em burnt. Whatever. Meanwhile, steam a package of hot dog buns in your bamboo steamer on top of your wok. If you don't have a bamboo steamer and a wok, go get them. They're very inexpensive at your local Asian supermarket, and unbelievably handy. Put a browned hot dog in a steamed bun and add the following, in approximately this order: mustard dill or half-sour pickle spear (those new-fangled lengthwise pickle slices are also handy, because they fit in the bun next to the hot dog, leaving you more room for stuff on top) chopped onions (yellow or white preferred) sweet or bread-and-butter relish pepper rings (a couple of cherry peppers or pepperoncini on the side will do too) and finally, a light dusting of celery salt to tie the whole thing together A good powerful beer (like a nice bottle-conditioned Trappist-style) and a nice potato salad are the traditional accompaniments. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 00:39:29 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] celery fact,or celery fiction On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Stewart Mason wrote: > No recipe for mashed celery root (also known as celeraic, a way cooler > word), but if you want a recipe for something redolent of celery without > tasting of celery, behold the Chicago-style hot dog: I prefer them with yellow mustard (NO ketchup), and I'll leave nitpicking to any actual Chicagoans - but the Chicago-style hot dog is a work of art, yet edible! Me, I like cilantro, am not a fan of raw celery (or much raw anything, really), but am quite fond of celery in particular foods - most importantly, in its hallowed home in Cajun cooking along with onion and green peppers. Last eaten: prosaically, an apple (a Gala Red, i believe). Oh wait - Rose shared with me the sole remaining Kit-Kat bar from last week's Trick or Treat stash. Before that, a somewhat failed dinner - stupidly, we followed a recipe that a moment's thought would have revealed as idiotically flawed. It wasn't that bad, actually - but why first *add* liquid, then add a thickening agent, when neither has a particularly distinctive flavor? Lunch? A nice rendition of bruschetta, amped up from appetizer to meal by the addition of melted mozzarella cheese. (Most of the time, as appetizer, it comes sans cheese.) This was at a little market/restaurant several miles from our house but en route to both the bread store we were buying fun bread at, to be served as appetizer at my sister and brother's birthday celebration tomorrow in Madison, and to the food co-op where we were buying groceries. I drive a Mazda Protege, whose CD player today featured Suzanne Vega (_Nine Objects of Desire_) and Belle and Sebastian (_The Boy with the Arab Strap_). We just put a new CD on as we pulled into the garage, but I forget what it is. I watched two taped episodes of Buffy. I listened to a handful of new CDs from the review pile (Governor of Texas, the Chantigs, and a third one whose title I forget). Earlier today, I rode my bicycle past a park and through a cemetery. I washed my car yesterday, and then a bird immediately crapped on the windshield (I cleaned it off). I had a piece of bread, dipped in olive oil, for breakfast. (I like bread.) I stole a phrase from Josh Modell's _Onion_ review of the new Dismemberment Plan CD (how come we never talk about them? Great stuff!) to use as his e-mail nickname ("The Oft-Overlooked Ass") and forwarded him Andy H's recommendation of the "my new fighting technique is unstoppable" website. I should rake our lawn, but I'm too lazy - plus I have a zillion papers to grade. I'm two-thirds of the way through Stephen Jay Gould's _Dinosaur in a Haystack_. I washed some dishes, but I forgot to empty the cat's litterbox. I'll do it tomorrow. I have theories about _Mulholland Drive_ but would need to see the movie again to know whether I believe them or not. Our friends Fritz and Linda have decided to adopt two cats. I have finished this self-obsessed post. - --me, but not that me Yes, I am not Christina Aguilera. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 00:46:02 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] celery! And then there's: http://www.google.com/search?as_q=celery+%22douglas+coupland%22&num=50&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=off - -j ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #291 *******************************